When Power Creep Kills Old Friends

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  • Опубликовано: 22 янв 2025

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  • @Allanvre
    @Allanvre Год назад +92

    I agree when i see old favorites become increasingly a detriment to any deck you slot it into. but i also think you looked right past a key part of this.
    there's an aspect of familiarity that i also loved about this game. when playgroup favorites hit play, you already had several memories associated with those cards. now, with the number of product releases, every other card has to be explained to the table when its cast, because there's always someone at the table who has never seen that card. this point isn't to drag new players for not memorizing thousands of cards, no, my criticism here is that we didn't just lose our flickerwhisps, we lost an environment of familiarity, the context they existed within.

    • @anorouch
      @anorouch Год назад +14

      The habit of newer cards becoming tiny novels hasn't helped either. There's more card text in 7 cards now than there used to be in 60.

    • @AdoreHorror
      @AdoreHorror Год назад +4

      thisssssssss

    • @christopherb501
      @christopherb501 Год назад +10

      And with how quickly this stuff gets crept now, it's not even like anything after gets to build its own legacy before it too is swept away.

    • @Allanvre
      @Allanvre Год назад +3

      @@anorouch yeah, good point. there's an element of simplicity lacking in newer releases as well.

    • @Allanvre
      @Allanvre Год назад +2

      @@christopherb501 Well said.

  • @izaiahsundquist6877
    @izaiahsundquist6877 Год назад +92

    I feel like *Thalia with a Gun* who shoots your opponent in the face _Blap Blap_ would see more play than normal Thalia because killing your opponent is basically just winning the match.

    • @SilverAlex92
      @SilverAlex92 Год назад +4

      Ohh I was going on magic stats, where a Gut Shot is 1 damage.

  • @eduardoserpa1682
    @eduardoserpa1682 Год назад +105

    I was recently thinking about that time when Young Pyromancer was printed for the first time, and everyone was discussing whether belonged with Dark Confidant, Tarmogoyf, and the then-recent Snapcaster and Thalia as the premier 2-drops of Modern and Legacy. I really love all 5 of them, and it's odd to see where they are today.

    • @EnJaded0
      @EnJaded0 Год назад +15

      i remember once thinking in my head that all five of them were 2 drops that represented their color extremely well as much as the original 5 one-mana instants from alpha. all 2/1s that do what their colors does, except green which of course gets to be bigger. and im ngl i really miss snapcaster being good, despite me never playing it

    • @nathanielreichley4640
      @nathanielreichley4640 Год назад +4

      I remember that debate, I miss those creatures too. I saw a goyf for sale for $10 recently and it was so sad

    • @Dracomandriuthus
      @Dracomandriuthus Год назад

      Snappy still definitely has a place, but the rest of them, no.

    • @RLKC8
      @RLKC8 Год назад

      wow 1 of each color

    • @warpdrivefueledbyinsomnia8165
      @warpdrivefueledbyinsomnia8165 Год назад +1

      They were all so prominent, along with many other two drops, that it made Spell Snare playable.

  • @Zarbon000
    @Zarbon000 9 месяцев назад +2

    This is the beauty of Kitchen Table Magic. Formats don’t matter. You can play what you love, forever. 😊

  • @dominicnzl
    @dominicnzl Год назад +34

    Time can never mend
    the careless wispers of a good friend

  • @Zarbon000
    @Zarbon000 Год назад +13

    Ever since War of the Spark and Throne of Eldraine, power creep has gone off the rails. The shareholders realized that if you keep making the newer cards stronger, us fools will pay to get them, even if for a Casual format. I’m sure the designers pushed back, “for years we make sure power creep is very slight”, but the high managers realized if you just make them even stronger, more profits. After that, nothing mattered. We just power creep now. Magic joined the YuGiOh and Pokémon power creep train with the release of War and the Spark and Throne of Eldraine, and continues to do so. There is no regard for long term health of the game, so long as this Quarter posts 1 more dollar of profit.

    • @yoyepo91
      @yoyepo91 Год назад +3

      I’ve been saying this for ten years while people have been telling me I’m wrong while trying to explain that their $50 cards are totally necessary to run the $3000 deck they copied off tapped out. It’s amazing they don’t understand that they are ruining the game

    • @Zarbon000
      @Zarbon000 Год назад +4

      @@yoyepo91 Back in tournament Magic days I kinda get it. But now that everyone plays “casual” Commander you think there’d be no need for it, but people still spend like crazy. Imagine having a casual deck that’s $3,000!?

    • @federicoantonietti7851
      @federicoantonietti7851 10 месяцев назад +1

      I agree that powercreep is getting insanely bad, but you still don't understand how companies work. High management and shareholders are generally speaking two completely different things

    • @Zarbon000
      @Zarbon000 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@federicoantonietti7851 🤣

  • @IslandPonder
    @IslandPonder Год назад +58

    This experience is why I’ve really moved towards the cube format and left most other formats. Power creep is no longer a requirement to keep up, it’s a choice I can make in the environments I design.

    • @johnsanko4136
      @johnsanko4136 Год назад +3

      I'm in the same boat. I can understand why some people aren't into Cube, but I love that I don't need to constantly update a ton of decks.

    • @R_J8
      @R_J8 Год назад

      Cube format?

    • @johnsanko4136
      @johnsanko4136 Год назад

      @@R_J8 Cube is effectively a curated limited draft format that the owner (curator) can update as they desire. Instead of drafting from 3 fresh and unopened boosters, you select 3 booster packs worth of cards randomly from the selected pool (or cube) and draft from those cards. So you build it once, and you never need to buy new cards, and nobody has to buy in to play. You can just redraft it forever. They are often 360, 540, or 720 cards, as those numbers accommodate 8, 12, or 16 players in the draft, but can be any size as long as it's enough for all the players involved.
      What makes Cube special, however, is that it is a personalized set based on the curator's own preferences. So it can be a pile of cards with dedicated archetypes, or it can be something like a Grixis Only Cube that has no white or green cards. Or a Pauper Cube that has no rares/mythics. Or a Ravnica Cube that only has cards from sets that were on Ravnica. The build is only limited to the curator's imagination. For example, my cube's basic lands are all from Unglued and Unhinged because I like the way they look.
      If you have any interest in drafting, or trying a new format, I recommend looking into Cube. It's my favorite format, and one that has a relatively small, but passionate fanbase. Card Kingdom even sells a low power, but surprisingly well balanced 360 card starter cube for anyone who is afraid to build one from scratch.

    • @iankane3732
      @iankane3732 Год назад +1

      ​@@R_J8its basically limited but you draft from a pool of cards compiled by someone for a certain play experience. For example the vintage cube has all the most powerful cards in MTG history, so it's like a super powered limited format, but it can be scaled back to lower power and things like a tribal cube or something like that.

  • @scaramouche3990
    @scaramouche3990 Год назад +121

    I left mtg due to money issues and the fact i was heading off to university, and returning has given much the same vibe I genuinely cannot play cards i spend a ton of time with due to the power creap and even decks that have the same name are unrecognizable. it makes it so i just dont ever want to go back in to constructed

    • @marty7905
      @marty7905 Год назад +16

      It is a very difficult thing we are both going through. The game feels nearly unrecognizable now and as if it's left us behind. Finding a comfortable place in it again feels nearly impossible

    • @nicks4802
      @nicks4802 Год назад +4

      I can’t imagine being such a baby over what is essentially rotation…..
      New cards came out, old version is no longer viable/playable……. JUST LIKE ROTATION 😲
      Shit happens, cards change, and players who can’t hack it like to whine….

    • @refundreplay
      @refundreplay Год назад +13

      Power Creep is getting out of hand.
      But it's NOTHING compared to Universes Beyond.

    • @nothanks9420
      @nothanks9420 Год назад +2

      Play mtga ,it's cheaper

    • @link41411
      @link41411 Год назад +5

      I was in the same boat. I left the game around Kaladesh and came back in with ONE. I was super overwhelmed with all the new cards but ended up just playing the game with what I had and worrying about optimizing later. There's zero reason that you can't play casual formats with older less crept cards and gradually learn new staples and cards through things like pre release, gameplay videos, edhrec, etc.
      I just accept that there's going to be cards I've never heard of or played against and that's fine.

  • @The1AndOnlyGoldenboy
    @The1AndOnlyGoldenboy Год назад +1

    This is why I like Commander more than other formats. For the most part, I can just put whatever cards I like and enjoy into a deck and it works relatively well.
    Also, a Flickerwisp that's power crept would still be a 3/1 flier, but it'd cost 1 white and 2 generic, and Ward 1.

  • @scottcampbell9515
    @scottcampbell9515 Год назад +14

    It is part of your identity, and a game piece in a social game that you get to share with other. When that identity is taken from you by outside forces it's no wonder why you feel sad. It's not a fun feeling (as I went through that with Liliana of the Veil, Bloodbraid Elf, and Snapcaster Mage).

  • @jovh8795
    @jovh8795 Год назад +7

    I find that the cards I remember the most strongly and by extension feel the most strongly about are ones with memories associated with them. Magic isn't just a game it's a social experience for a lot of us and I think that the cards are part of the window dressing to those experiences. I would imagine the more you cast a card the stronger that association and its corresponding feelings are. In a way a card you love being crept out is like saying goodbye to an old friend or a bygone era of your life that you can't go back to.

    • @mbarker_lng
      @mbarker_lng Год назад

      Bullseye. When I retired out my oldest cards (Fallen Empires, 4th, Ice Age, ect), I invariably think back to playing at my friend's kitchen table; before half my brainpower was being expended worrying about bills, fixing the house, work, getting old, and all the problems that make you realize that being an 'adult' is the ultimate bum deal.

  • @drkatz1192
    @drkatz1192 Год назад +12

    I know you didn’t have a ton of structure for this video, but I loved it. I’m subscribing after watching this too - your thoughts on Flickerwisp parallel mine with Spell Queller. Still play it in Modern to some success (4-1’s and some 5-0’s) - but I would also be sad if it got replaced. That said, it’s almost necessary too. It feels like we’re at a point where MtG is just sad. They gave up what made it sacred and broke their “golden rules” IMO. To Flickerwisp and Queller. Let them be good again in time!

  • @pk0a0gundam
    @pk0a0gundam Год назад +6

    I feel this a lot. I have been running a version of a mono blue affinity deck since I started back in Mirrodin in middle school. Turning it from a standard deck, to extended, to a kitchen table 60, to various commanders. Currently it is an Urza deck thats about to be taken apart cause urza is both too strong and too unfun. All I really want is a place for my mycosynth cards and darksteel colossus. Finding that home is becoming harder and harder with every set bringing in stronger and more targeted cards.

  • @tylerfoster2814
    @tylerfoster2814 Год назад +2

    Cube and Commander are the fields to which we retire our old friends, and are my favorite fields to visit.

  • @Cypher10110
    @Cypher10110 Год назад +7

    I've framed my Flickerwisp. It was part of my first modern deck (U/W midrange), and I also have fond memories. In my case I felt like MH1 was an acceleration of the power creep that ultimately pushed me out of Modern, but so long as the game is fun to play and there are a variety of fun and interesting decks to play/brew, I don't mind cards eventually becoming obsolete as the meta shifts and power creeps. For financial reasons I just couldn't keep up for very long in modern's new era, and I was a fairly casual modern player, upgrading and modifying my deck/collection very slowly.
    I framed some of my Tezzerator deck too, my last modern deck. It was very fun to take to FNM and GPs, and I miss those times. I know Urza gets blamed for alot ;) but he basically totally killed my enthusiasm for my favourite format. And not because he was a bad card, but because he was a too-good perfect card for my deck and prohibitively expensive. My fun "Tezzerator" deck became an "Urza-less urza" deck overnight. It's ok tho, I just left paper modern behind to play casual EDH.

  • @jaspershepherdsmith9047
    @jaspershepherdsmith9047 Год назад +5

    Video was lovely and as structured as it needed to be. I wanted to hear it and I'm glad you made it ❤

  • @caiusehmke6888
    @caiusehmke6888 Год назад +16

    if you turn 1 drop the calendar it would take 10 double triggers to get to 1000, devoid of anything else happening. It's very possible to do this.

    • @scheikundeiscool4086
      @scheikundeiscool4086 Год назад +1

      You better make a combo whit that card cause waiting till turn 11 to win is pointless. But i think the card is still strong. There are multiple artifact based untap stratagies. And as a 1 mana artifact it is verry searchable. I can see this beeing used as a wincon for a combo. But playing it straight nah that will not work.

    • @caiusehmke6888
      @caiusehmke6888 Год назад +1

      @@scheikundeiscool4086 devoid of anything else meaning you don't count any more untap triggers, not "wait 11 turns". TBH once you get past 16 counters the untap triggers don't really do much ito speeding up the clock. You're right on the money on which shells this would work in though.

  • @aneverdayhobbiest2837
    @aneverdayhobbiest2837 Год назад +7

    I saw a custom card that was an 8/8 with trample with an alt casting cost of "sac 2 artifacts", and all I could think was, "it dies to a scammed fury or solitude."

    • @mathewdebol923
      @mathewdebol923 Год назад

      Scam isn’t the best deck in Modern, you know that right?

    • @aneverdayhobbiest2837
      @aneverdayhobbiest2837 Год назад

      @mathewdebol923 doesn't change how the evoke creature are some of, if not the best, creatures in the format. Also shows how much they effect the format with their power creep. I think it was PleasantKenobi that pointed out how well the deck's conversion rate is, and how it actually has a deceptively higher meta share then what is reported.
      I couldn't imagine a t1 8/8 trampler in modern prior to the evokers. Now people are combing off on turn 3 in standard.

    • @mathewdebol923
      @mathewdebol923 Год назад +2

      @@aneverdayhobbiest2837 lol we did have a turn 1 8/8 trampler in Modern before. It was pretty wild 😂
      What turn 3 combo do we have in Standard?

    • @aneverdayhobbiest2837
      @aneverdayhobbiest2837 Год назад

      @@mathewdebol923 got my format mixed. It's a turn 3 pioneer combo. Uses the new discover 5 dino, E. evolution, and clones.

  • @atlys258
    @atlys258 Год назад +9

    This reminds me of a line in one of my favorite songs _Evagria the Faithful_ by Coheed & Cambria: "I wish she'd stay mine, but her place is in some other time."
    It's hard having to say goodbye to those lifelong cards that are part of you because they've become stone unplayable/hated out of the format.

  • @ajaxender12
    @ajaxender12 Год назад +1

    I think part of what drives this feeling is, Magic cards (among other things) are immutable (... mostly). The world changes. You change, everyone you know and everyone you don't, all change. Flickerwisp is still the same.And that is comforting.
    But it's not the card that matters, it's what you do with it. It's the play patterns, the decisions, those crucial lines of play that win or lose games; that's what makes cards special. Other cards can end up with the same feel, even when mostly or strictly better. Then it all comes back to you and how you play, as part of the story of your life as a Magic player.
    Where power creep gets scary, is when they forget that the play patterns and decisions are what matters. Then the players really have lost something. That's what turns them away.

  • @ohfish9499
    @ohfish9499 Год назад +1

    Even if this video doesn’t do well, I hope you know it was a lovely introspective piece that really made me think. And I and I’m sure many others appreciate and enjoy these videos.

  • @beatnikbreakfast3537
    @beatnikbreakfast3537 Год назад +10

    Thalia is just a powercrept Glowrider

  • @KyleScott6984
    @KyleScott6984 Год назад +8

    I also miss wisp in dnt. I feel like if aether vial is out, then it limits the neat things wisp can do at instant speed.

  • @ArtosKincaid
    @ArtosKincaid Год назад +4

    Hey, I watched it because I also love Flickerwisp and a lot of similar cards that just aren't good enough now. Totally feel you on this and while getting new, more powerful cards is fun, it makes me feel bad to take cards that were cornerstones of competitive decks that I've loved and try to make them work in commander again.

  • @Duskraven377
    @Duskraven377 Год назад +1

    When I lose an old cardboard friend like this, I make sure it gets into an EDH deck. But even then, sometimes, it ends up as the 101st or 102nd card and ends up getting cut. Like Fact or Fiction.

  • @Ms_Stabby
    @Ms_Stabby Год назад +4

    I feel this. My favorite creature, Monastery Mentor, hasn't been playable in any format for quite a long time

    • @artist91fb
      @artist91fb Год назад

      Isn’t mentor a busted legacy and vintage staple? A mentor on the board and a ponder on the stack and go to town?

    • @Ms_Stabby
      @Ms_Stabby Год назад

      @artist91fb it's too slow for legacy, forth eorlingas has entirely replaced it. It's restricted in vintage as well, so even in a deck that wants it you only get one

  • @samuelgardner2653
    @samuelgardner2653 Год назад +2

    Tattoo suggestion for Flickerwisp - just tat the wings, fam. Iconic enough to be recognizable, and you don't have to put the creepy part on your body. Maybe tie in the mana cost or power/toughness for more specificity?

  • @DanAllen117
    @DanAllen117 Год назад +3

    I can certainly feel the emotion behind this. Even if it's fun to watch the game evolve and change in different and even exciting ways, we also have to watch some of our favorite magic cards fall to the wayside simply because they lose the ability to compete with new game pieces. It's one of the reasons I've always gravitated toward casual formats over competitive ones. Even though I enjoy playing modern, I prefer kitchen table and commander because Maze's End is able to compete there, but will never be able to survive in the current landscape of modern.

  • @ZSAITOSEI
    @ZSAITOSEI Год назад +7

    I think retiring old goodies from years past before they become Talrand levels of meme is a valid option

  • @Nether2342
    @Nether2342 Год назад +2

    I would love a flickerwhisp with bigger stats. We could call it "thickerwhisp"

  • @MegaGenguy
    @MegaGenguy Год назад +1

    I feel like such a magic boomer with all my friends and coworkers whenever one of us has the random thought of "Remember when *insert nostalgic card* was good? Man, that'd be like an uncommon if printed today." Our most recent subject being Vraska's Contempt. It's crazy to think that that card used to be a staple in standard and commanded a $15 price tag and it'd probably only see limited play if anything. I'm waiting for WOTC to rip the nostalgic band-aid off and reprint path to exile into standard / pioneer just to see if it can still hang since it's essentially been pushed out of all older formats.

  • @nathaniel1940
    @nathaniel1940 Год назад +3

    10:53 i feel like the extra minute of just a black screen with the background music still playing adds to the somber feeling. It gives the viewers a chance to just. Sit and think about the cards that used to be.
    I'm not sure it was intentional given that the music just cuts off abruptly. But I'm glad it's there

  • @oafkad
    @oafkad Год назад +2

    This is something I mentioned recently. If you only build your home up and never out it will eventually topple over.
    You need a growing foundation. You can not sustain rapid endless skyward growth.

  • @SilverAlex92
    @SilverAlex92 Год назад +1

    "Thalia with gun" is such a funny concept. Love your videos :) Agree with the forced rotations. F in chat for flickerwisp.

  • @eyeoffate89
    @eyeoffate89 Год назад +6

    Do you think that, rather than a shiny new version of Flickerwisp, you'd prefer some other card being printed that synergized so well with Flickerwisp that it suddenly became viable again? Maybe a bit "have your cake and it eat it too" but still an interesting follow up to the discussion of cards falling by the wayside as card design marches on.

  • @hostandersson4301
    @hostandersson4301 Год назад +1

    These videos are honestly why your channel *is* worth watching, so here, have a subscription! :)
    For me, my own boosterpulled copy of Elspeth, Sun's Champion holds the same emotional value in my life. It's currently not used in any serious play and I feel sad about it. It once was in a janky jeskai tempo deck that I won a FNM Modern with, it can really dominate the board, and it will forever be holy to me :)
    I don't really think she can ever come back into competetive Modern, but I also dont want her to change

    • @PleasantKenobi
      @PleasantKenobi  Год назад +1

      Sun's Champion and Sphinx's Revelation will always have a soft spot in my heart from that time in Standard.

    • @hostandersson4301
      @hostandersson4301 Год назад

      @@PleasantKenobi
      During that meta ( 2013-2014 isch? ) i just got back into the game and those cards used to drive me nuts (:
      My 4c nonblack heroic would often die to Supreme or somesuch.
      Later i just learned to respect that Control Style so much that i got converted into a controlplayer myself :D

  • @Zephind
    @Zephind Год назад

    Thanks for sharing this, because it seems that people like us exist out there, feeling the same feelings. I almost felt bad changing my Enchantress into a Shrine version in EDH with Go-Shintai of Life's Origin, but her spirit lives on in this kind of format. Archetypes that don't work anymore in Modern or Legacy have always a place in Commander somehow. The more cards Wizards spill out to sell, the more obsolete our friends get. :(

  • @diesertimgaedke
    @diesertimgaedke Год назад

    Flickerwisp will forever live in my cube. I love that little critter! It'll also serve as a reminder what power level I want the cube to be at.

  • @AustinBonesHale
    @AustinBonesHale Год назад +5

    Cube is the perfect place for old friends like these to retire ❤

  • @andrewrobles8814
    @andrewrobles8814 Год назад

    These are my favorite kind of videos that you do.

  • @darthrevan8210
    @darthrevan8210 Год назад

    I got into MTG in Avacyn Restored, I love the art on MTG angels. When I started playing commander I built an Avacyn deck where every creature was an angel where I didn’t start playing until about turn 4-6. It was certainly not optimized and I’ve altered it through the years but it’s the only Commander deck I never unbuilt.
    But even though it’s still sitting on my shelf I’ve felt unable to play it because there really isn’t any reason to pull it out anymore, 8 mana to give permanents indestructible just doesn’t cut it anymore, and I have always refused to swap the commander to a creature other than Avacyn.
    Obviously I could build a more powerful deck, but that was never the point of what I had put together.

  • @LizardKing1470
    @LizardKing1470 Год назад

    That's why commander is so great because you can build a deck around something and have every card with it

  • @jKonradcz
    @jKonradcz Год назад

    Great points and exactly why i love your channel

  • @nathanfike4001
    @nathanfike4001 Год назад

    I feel a similar way about Wild Nacatl. I never got to play modern when it was in its hay-day, but I feel in love when I starting playing with it. The card and deck style of Zoo was so fun and all about going fast. By the time I had enough money to get all the fetches to make the deck work Modern Horizon’s was on the horizon. Zoo was not nearly as good as it had been years before, but I struggled through some games and did decent enough. But through University I didn’t play as many games as I would have wanted. Once I could finally enjoy playing with Nacatl freely, I just faced endless Constructs and Furys and Solitude. I felt like a little kid boxing with heavyweights. It was apparent this was never gonna work.
    Wild Nacatl to me feels like a girl I was starting to date and just when we were getting serious, some thugs beat her up and now she is in the hospital in a coma. I visit her from time to time and I am just waiting for her to wake up, being unable to move on to anyone else.

  • @mtguille7193
    @mtguille7193 Год назад

    3/2 flash flier flickerwisp, that you can choose if it returns the thing immediatly or at the beginning of the next end step.

  • @shanaxe5148
    @shanaxe5148 Год назад

    I was a one trick Borderpost Restore Balance player, in Modern. This ENTIRE video speaks to me about what happened to my favourite deck. The format just power crept it out, and I am left empty. Very sad times for older cards

  • @Bashman20
    @Bashman20 Год назад +1

    kenobi son: dad what a flickerwisp?
    kenobi: *insert vince mcmahon meme*

  • @treasure_merchant
    @treasure_merchant Год назад

    Your rambling is appreciated.

  • @scottricks1676
    @scottricks1676 Год назад

    I personally…..love it when you ramble…

  • @broomguy7
    @broomguy7 Год назад +2

    Magic doesn't have power creep anymore. It has power sprint.

  • @MatthewOstergren
    @MatthewOstergren Год назад

    I understand being sentimental about specific cards. I am the same way. Power creep is part of what keeps the game selling and keeps it somewhat fresh, but it also can take away stuff we love about the game too.

  • @chaosfellow7407
    @chaosfellow7407 8 месяцев назад +1

    What would you think if they made one of those eldrazified cards that was a copy of flickerwisp

  • @notcaboose4415
    @notcaboose4415 Год назад +2

    I'm glad you made this video, i agree with it and i think power creep makes formats boring with how it constricts options

  • @Nether2342
    @Nether2342 Год назад +1

    I completely under how you feel about flickerwhisp. I feel the exact same way about lingering souls. I feel STRONGLY connected to that card and want to run it as much as possible, but it's basically been power crept out of the game with orcish bow masters and dauthi void walkers running around every where.

  • @Grand_Admiral
    @Grand_Admiral Год назад

    All of the changes from the past few years power crept paper Magic out of my life, so I feel you.

  • @dj66800
    @dj66800 Год назад +1

    I love Savage Knuckleblade the way you love your Wisp. It's so sad he was never playable enough for non-standard formats and got bullied out of pioneer so fast. He's a meaty, slightly above rate 4/4 that has a haste insurance for late game, a self buff to reach 6/6 and a way to sort of dodge removal in long value games. He does so much, he really feels like what a RUG card should be and I'm also sad that half the RUG legendaries WotC feels like printing are just cascade nonsense.

    • @kingfuzzy2
      @kingfuzzy2 Год назад +1

      id definitly have been more of a rug player if mst rug cards wer like that boi

  • @Dimitar_Tsanev
    @Dimitar_Tsanev Год назад +1

    I think my entire relationship with MtG is similar to what you feel towards Flickerwhisp.
    I'm terrible at the game and build decks not to optimise my chances of winning but purely based on what cards I like (based on art, flavour or sometimes just superficial colour/mechanic similarity).
    So if I actually try to build a deck solely for the purpose of winning games I feel like I'm leaving my friends behind to focus on my career and am sacrificing valuable emotional connections for the sake of results which I don't like and much prefer to win one out of ten games with a deck I really love to winning 6-7 out of ten with an objectively good deck.
    (I want to specify that I hate the very idea of commander as a format so I am talking about mostly kitchen table 60 card constructed games)

  • @MasterFallenHero
    @MasterFallenHero Год назад

    "Watching at home" implies the existence of a studio audience

  • @HendrikdeSmidt
    @HendrikdeSmidt Год назад

    One of my happiest magic memories is the day I finally completed my playset of snapcaster mage, one of my favorite cards of all time. These days, 3 of them sit in a binder because I can't bring myself to get rid of them but they are basically unplayable in modern. The standard micro creep of standard has always been a part of the game and I don't think anyone ever really resented that, but the damage that horizons sets have done to the history and metagame of older formats is really sad.

  • @mbarker_lng
    @mbarker_lng Год назад

    Its definitely a 'feel bad' when you cut a card from your deck because its crept out. Moreso when it's a card you remember winning the game with, or pulled off some killer combo in the past. A few of mine are Vesuvan Doppleganger (along with that amazing art) because there are so many shapeshifters you can get out faster, although the VD is still more flexible. Skeleton Ship is another; entirely unplayable now but it felt great using the negative counters to get around things like Regeneration. I used effects to tap it multiple times per turn. Also the art has a skeleton riding a flying turtle- Epic. :P Giant Oyster was another; my friends used to get triggered by the fact it can target a flying creature. Time Elemental; being able to send *anything back to a person's hand was awesome but now is too slow and expensive. Great times...but these cards are in storage boxes now. :(

  • @mintyfops
    @mintyfops Год назад

    I pulled this card in my first bit of cards I bought since childhood, love its flavor!

  • @clarknes3111
    @clarknes3111 Год назад +1

    This is kind of how I feel about Sun Titan. I have long said that in 2050 i'll pull out my commander decks full of dozens of free white spells and heignous crimes...and Sun Titan. There is no world where I replace it. I love it too much. We got the new on in Ixalan, but I can't do it. I wont do it. Almost any other card can fall from my deck due to power creep, but Sun Titan wont.

  • @DevStarkiller
    @DevStarkiller Год назад

    See if you can get folks at your LGS onboard with a Heritage Modern night. Playing modern without Horizons is an absolute joy.

  • @mopanda81
    @mopanda81 Год назад

    We may never get flicker wisp with rizz but I hope you're ready for ragavan with a vacuum that sucks up and reflects ork arrows.

  • @RedJadeArt
    @RedJadeArt Год назад

    3:13 “When you become the target of a spell or ability, you may put this card from your hand onto the battlefield”
    Could even make it more narrow and say “black spell or ability” - like specifically to hit grief and Thoughtseize

  • @Lucretzia
    @Lucretzia Год назад +1

    I have this friend I met at a really bad time in my life. We became best friends even shared an apartment for a while. There are gaps in our friendship, but everytime we speak It's like we never stopped talking. Just have more to say. There will be something that comes out. Some power crept elemental/lord/pod that makes flicker wisp dynamite for a couple weeks or months. It's been that way for some of my favorite cards. I hope the same for flickerwisp.

  • @samlastname5839
    @samlastname5839 Год назад

    This was indeed the flickerwisp that I’d always hoped for, thanks dad

  • @williamsimkulet7832
    @williamsimkulet7832 Год назад +1

    I'd like to see more reprints of fun cards like this. I'm inclined to think WOTC should make every card in a set "count"; and I think Flickerwisp could see Block play (if Block comes back) & Standard play easily.
    To help it see play in Modern, I think you need to go Tribal (or just print a toughness booster that's good enough across the board). Imagine a 2/2 1W Elemental Lord that said "Other Elementals you control get +1/+1," and "You may cast Elementals as though they had flash." Legendary if need be. That seems printable, and gives elementals some additional utility.
    Look at Merfolk. There are a lot of otherwise mediocre creatures that see play specifically because they're Merfolk.

  • @langleyzor7547
    @langleyzor7547 Год назад

    We really need fan art of Vince embracing flickerwhisp, then disappearing momentarily.

  • @lracseroom8286
    @lracseroom8286 Год назад +5

    Powercreep is a reason WotC is so liberal with reprints these days. Might as well make money with high-powered reprints now, because you have cards that are going to make them obsolete coming down the pipe.

  • @henrye3935
    @henrye3935 Год назад

    I feel the same about whole decks. I miss Lantern Control dearly and before that RW Sun and Moon.

  • @kieranwouter2361
    @kieranwouter2361 Год назад

    To be that guy, Loxodon Smiter is an example of power creep. When it was printed it replaced something else in the meta.
    For this to be a game that continues to exist and be played, some degree of power creep is necessary. Then add the amount of time the game has existed and a small increment in power each year adds up.

    • @PleasantKenobi
      @PleasantKenobi  Год назад +2

      Yes. Yes. And yes. There is still quite load more to it than that, but Yes.

  • @paintballer4055
    @paintballer4055 Год назад

    imo best way to power horizontal flicker would be some sort of ward 2 or 3 added and maybe less versatility on trigger or 2/1 to compensate as to not just creep more XD

  • @thunderstruck560
    @thunderstruck560 Год назад

    The savannah lions problem. That card was the aggro white weenie best card. I'm not sure it would see play in standard anymore at common. Time matches on and magic does too

  • @turgid4391
    @turgid4391 Год назад

    Snapcaster is my flickerwisp. I still make fun brews that can take down an FNM with snapcaster in it. But I know it’ll never realistically put up results in top level play every again.
    Still feels nice to bolt snap bolt, always will

  • @tellable9425
    @tellable9425 Год назад

    Funny you mention Thalia in the video. Atleast in the context of Modern, Thalia hasnt been a playable creature in atleast a few years sadly. Did enjoy the video though, think theres something hard to parse about how some of these cards make us feel.

  • @a.j.m9644
    @a.j.m9644 Год назад

    the minute silence was a nice touch

  • @necasperaterent29386
    @necasperaterent29386 Год назад

    That's why I like Commander more than Modern, ngl. Every so often, they'll introduce a mechanic, a commander, or a card combo that makes something old all new again. Happened to me recently with Ojer Axonil. I pulled him at the pre-release and immediately made a deck full of old pingers from Mercadian Masques and shit. Plays amazing!! 😍

  • @ab-mc2nq
    @ab-mc2nq Год назад +1

    and i always thought you were the leonine arbiter guy

  • @Tahahanu
    @Tahahanu Год назад

    Flickerwisp a fury on your opponents upkeep seems pretty decent

  • @Uggoo
    @Uggoo Год назад

    I remember one game I won because I used flickerwisp to keep blinking my opponents celestial colonnade during their upkeep. This prevented them from wrathing as they were stuck on 4 land. card is just good.

  • @Billchu13
    @Billchu13 Год назад

    Flicker wisp was always best in cube for the weirdest interactions

  • @sapphicvalkyrja
    @sapphicvalkyrja Год назад +1

    It's silly, I guess, but I kind of feel this way about Serra Angel, which hasn't been relevant for who knows how many years at this point. It's just one of those archetypal creatures, like Flickerwhisp, I would argue, that defines the space that...represents something in Magic. While power creep is...an inevitability, I do really wish they'd quit printing cards into (or that target) eternal formats, because it creates greater impetus to increase power level
    Standard being, well, standard, sort of has this ebb and flow that slows down the increase in power level over time. When rotations happen, with the power level reset, there's room to print weaker cards again...but we don't ever really get that mechanical breathing room anymore, since so much has to be relevant for older formats

  • @kujasan
    @kujasan Год назад

    a small additional thought about meta, that you talk about around the 6minute mark:
    it's not that 1hp creatures became worse by themselves. there have been specialiced tools for a long time for most hp-amounts.
    but when a creature is so metadefining, people begin to stack answers FOR this creature, all other creatures vulnerable to the same answers get nerfed in effect.
    fe. if ragavan had 3hp (oh god), this would need answers that can do 3dmg. outside of lightning bolt this would mean, 1hp creatures would get a small buff, because ragavan-coutnering answers are probably getting a bit worse, cost/effect-wise.

    • @PleasantKenobi
      @PleasantKenobi  Год назад

      My point is that 1 toughness just incidentally gets hurt by randomly good cards. Wren and Six is a famous example of it.

  • @Imawesomedude20
    @Imawesomedude20 Год назад

    Ive recently gotten into 1v1 pedh and its such a blast cause the game play reminds me of 2014 modern. Im actually hoping some of my old favorite cards get reprinted as a common so i can play with them again

  • @TheIronRegalia
    @TheIronRegalia Год назад

    Rest in peace Flickerwisp.

  • @scottpearson9846
    @scottpearson9846 Год назад

    its easier to which of the calendrer ones? one cares about mana, the other cares about copied activated or untapping?
    millennium calendar is a win con for a full control deck, as it alone, is a 12 turn clock

  • @minabasejderha5972
    @minabasejderha5972 Год назад

    As someone who bounces back and forth between Yugioh and Magic, normally, I find it a little quaint when Magic players complain about power creep because it is so much worse in Yugioh.
    But that's because it's just a complaint. Not an expression of loss and sadness. And I found that much more resonant than a mere complaint.
    It's kinda hitting me how much sadness lurks below the surface when I've played Yugioh at just how often we've been forced to say these goodbyes. It makes me think back to all the cards in Yugioh that were really special to me that I simply cannot play any longer if I expect to win. And how much emotional muck I've been stuffing beneath the surface, excusing away and ignoring, just because I know I can't do anything about it.
    I appreciate your sentiments.

  • @bel-sb6kx
    @bel-sb6kx Год назад

    There were a glorious couple of months where I was beating down rock decks every day with wilt leaf liege and smiter. Added in some lingering souls to make them even sadder. God that was a fun couple of months where that counter deck was decent. Went back to coco after and left the game after. Only play online card games now but still keep up with the players I watched back then. I miss flickerwisp too 😭

  • @guidocampostrini
    @guidocampostrini Год назад +1

    dude this is sad, but i understand it

  • @nooneimportanttoyou
    @nooneimportanttoyou Год назад

    A modern day wisp would have flash, lifelink, and vigilance. People would still say it sucks.

  • @voxolotl6894
    @voxolotl6894 Год назад

    This is an element of the larger problem with competitive games that allow for expression through card/weapon/build choice, without the possibility of the freedom of expression this way the games would feel hollow and detached. But with the competition you will eventually create situations where players will be at a disadvantage, a great almost insurmountable disadvantage in MTGs case, and you will have negative experiences that could span the probably short length of that players time playing your game.
    Happened to me with MTG, Destiny 2, and practically anything that I could challenge other players and had the agency to make my own strategies and builds.

    • @voxolotl6894
      @voxolotl6894 Год назад

      btw this has been my favorite video of yours in a while.

    • @PleasantKenobi
      @PleasantKenobi  Год назад

      Thank you. Means a lot when I hear that.

  • @mosesmckinney1373
    @mosesmckinney1373 Год назад

    I’m scared that someday i will be nostalgic for Ragavan and Orcish Bowmasters.

  • @Ridelith
    @Ridelith Год назад

    "Miss wisp" dude if better flickerwisp gets printed you can do an EIGHT WISP DECK imagine the jank ❤

  • @MrWh33lz
    @MrWh33lz Год назад

    A new wisp that double blinks and is a 0/4 flying vigilance

  • @BasketChase98
    @BasketChase98 Год назад

    Honestly it’s been so long since I’ve seen aether vial or wisp in modern I genuinely misremembered wisp as having flash because I was so used to seeing it vialed into play on end step.

  • @ukaszmozejko9984
    @ukaszmozejko9984 Год назад

    Stormbreath Dragon is my Flickerwisp. I really liked that my Dragon could doge Path to Exile or Detention Sphere.

  • @sparkzfox2890
    @sparkzfox2890 Год назад

    I first started playing modern in 2013, I remember playing goryos vengeance, a glass cannon of a deck, RG Tron, jund, and affinity. However, the deck I miss the most is just UW Control. Some of the most nostalgic games were beating an opponent down with snapcasters and Celestial Colonnades 😂 I miss when Path was the premium removal, until fatal push came in and did it better. I feel like the old man raving about the good ol' days 😅

  • @dreadbot3726
    @dreadbot3726 Год назад

    Old friends is why I make custom cubes. I get to keep the old classics preserved in a world where they cant be outmoded

  • @chilopodamancer
    @chilopodamancer Год назад

    Flickerwisp would be a cool card to see reprinted at common rarity, bringing it simultaneously to Pioneer and Pauper where I think it could have a really happy home now that it's been evicted from Modern.

    • @dankbreh9013
      @dankbreh9013 Год назад

      No. Keep your power creep out of the two best formats.

    • @chilopodamancer
      @chilopodamancer Год назад

      ​@@dankbreh9013 Is Flickerwisp really that strong compared to some of the other busted stuff in those formats? Pioneer and Pauper are my favorite formats too, so I'm not looking to ruin them with powercreep, but Flickerwisp is hardly that menacing.
      Especially not in Pioneer with the power level of these latest sets. I think Pauper would be fine too, Pauper's power level isn't really *that* low where the Wisp would disrupt it. In Pauper there's already powerful flicker cards like Ephemerate and the decks running flicker aren't really top tier decks.
      All in all, I say bring on the Wisp, buddy needs a new home, at least in Pioneer if nothing else.