Stephen King doesn't like Kubrick's The Shining
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Shelly Duval deserves a lot more credit for her work in The Shinning.
You mean “Shining”? (Shh! Wanna get sued?)
Duval's performance was the standout performance.
Jack is simply playing Jack.... Compare his work in The Shining to Joker in Batman.
A different character that is mostly the same.
Jack plays Jack in nearly all of his roles and people like it, but he is a very one dimensional actor.
Now compare Duval's character in The Shining to her character in Popeye, for instance.
HUGE variation in her characters.
She is completely underrated.
Her performance in The Shining was stellar.
Agreed I think she was much, much more then king said she was, she was a very important character to the movie
I agree with king it's not close to the book
@@chandie5298I agree
A great example of different perspectives between an author and a director on what makes a good story
Stephen King needs to stick to books, he is not good at Movies, you simply cannot compare the two. He is a great writer but not a great director of film.
@@SarahNGeti he does stick to books. It’s his books that get adapted to movies. Many great ones intact
@@LUCCI_25 His movies turn into a long drawn out disaster because he tries to make the movie fit too closely to the book. I am talking about when he tries to direct the movie or micro-manage it, look at "The Stand". Yes when a director interprets his idea into a movie it works well, but they are 2 completely different artforms and nothing alike.
And yet they both are right
Kubrick > than Stephen King
The thing about the book is that jack was very kind and didn’t feel unhinged so when he goes crazy at the hotel it’s very obviously “oh the ghost are making him crazy” but in the movie he’s almost always so tense and irritable. So you have to wonder how much is the hotel and how much is jack. It feels way more believable that way and I really like it personally
Agreed. The horror is in Jack and the hotel becomes a whirlpool around that. Much creepier than "hotel makes nice guy mad", for me.
First time I properly watched it i didn't like it because he was already bad before he got to the hotel.
Second time I realised how genius it was to make him already bad before he reaches the hotel.
The hotel is the crucible of white, male, misogynistic, racist violent imperialism, not a ghost house that takes over innocent people. It's an expression of something deep and evil within humanity
Did you read the book? Jack is an abusive alcoholic way before they even get to the hotel. The only reason they go to the hotel in the first place is because Jack got fired for assaulting a high school kid. Jack broke Danny’s arm way before they got to the hotel.
You obviously didn't read the book, because it's obvious from the start that Jack is a disturbed person, with deep seethed anger issues. He has been violent multiple times before even going to the hotel. In fact he has to take the job at the hotel because he was fired from his job as a teacher for assaulting a student. He is a man with an enormous ego, and it's because of his narcissism that the hotel is easily able to manipulate him.
Well it more than the ghosts just making him crazy they just abused his flaws and made him believe he was in the right and that Danny and Wendy were trying to harm him and the book shows how are mistake like a tiny rip in a piece of paper can be ramped up to 1,000 , tearing the paper in half, by just a single external source
Shelly Duvall should of received an Oscar for her role as Wendy Torrance in The Shining sad how underrated she was and she was an incredible actress RIP 🌹
She got a raspberry though
Yeah Shelley truly had an historic career by being in so many great films such as The Shining and.. others
Wow, didn’t know she was dead🙁
“Scream and be stupid.” Damn, Steve! I saw her as human, vulnerable, terrified and did anything she could to protect herself and her son. Shelly did an awesome job, imo. Doubly so having to put up with Stanley’s abuse the entire time, hospitalizing her from all the trauma, screaming, running and hyperventilating.
Compared to the character in the book though, she is dumb. You must have only seen the movie
They actually remind me a lot of my parents. This was one of the very rare times where the movie was much better than the book.
@@derykhenderson5187 damn…I’m sorry to hear that. If your father was anything like Jack Torrence. 😳
@@SunBunz Very much so yes. My mom was a lot like Wendy. I find Steven's comments kind of gross.
@@derykhenderson5187 agreed.
The shining is one of the best films ever made in my opinion. The coldness is what makes it disturbing
Meh just seemed like a generic horror movie to me. It's hard to watch after reading the book because all the differences between the book and the movie are so glaring.
@@rustyshackelford7651 movie is different book
@Rusty Shackelford what the hell's a book?
@@rustyshackelford7651 there is so much meaning in the shining it’s insane. It’s not just a horror film and it most certainly wasn’t generic. It was far from generic.
@@rustyshackelford7651how on earth is it generic? Out of all the random adjectives you can use as criticism you pick that one lol. And is does it differing from the book negative? It's not like the book is objectively perfect and any derivation from it is a mistake. In fact I'd say the movie is a lot more interesting
The book is brilliant. The movie 🎥 is a horror masterpiece. Be proud of both.
He can't........the feeling was changed and so the message
when someone alters your work it gets kind of annyoing
I'm sure there's a certain dichotomy of both pride and resentment. But, whether you like it or not, the movie has been influential in the book's success. Perhaps, Kubrick should have given the movie a different title. I don't know, but neither will you.
@@johncase2408 regardless your literally saying that this man's feelings about something need to change because you said so lol 😂
Oh brother, it's the 'Woke Patrol.'
I think Wendy in the movie is perfect. If you were trapped alone with an axe wielding psycho you’d be a blubbering mess. But through the whole thing she fights for her child even though she’s afraid. That’s true bravery
Steven thinks you're a misogynist for not thinking women should be dumb dumb cartoons who are pushy and don't face real terror.
Tell me you didn't read the book without telling me you didn't read the book
@@marianadelgado5449 They explicitly mention the film in their comment so probably not, but any excuse to recycle some internet speak towards them I guess? I've read the book though, and the one main difference is that he describes her as hot with big jugs. Also it's an adaption, not a recreation, something which King has never quite grasped.
@marianadelgado5449 tell me you have no language arts or reading background without telling me you have no reading or language arts background 😂😂😂😂
@@comment15 Adding to this, not saying Steve is bad at writing women characters in his novels or anything. But he shouldn’t go around boasting about writing interesting woman characters when he needed his wife’s help with this very same thing in his original draft of Carrie.
I read the book before I watched the film and can say that it was one of my favorite books. I also watched the film after and that too ended up being one of my favorite films. Both are pieces of art
I read the book too. Deadly dull until page 52. Fantastic thereafter. Counseled many friends to just make it to 52. They all thanked me for it, as it was SO hard to get there. Saw the movie at least a dozen times since then, 9 times in the first month of its opening.
The shining movie is a 10/10
Yeah, sorry Stephen King, we all loved it. 😎Lol
@@BourneKnightSpeak for yourself, it's probably one of the worst king adaptations. People praise Kubrick's work to show off but they're just repeating what the mob is saying. It's not a good movie.
@@simonbennett6202Stephen king isn’t even that good an author pal. Literally makes pop horror books for a massive audience. He has a great mind and cool ideas, but Kubrick’s adaptation is genuinely better than anything he’s ever written
Lies@@simonbennett6202
@@simonbennett6202 People praise it because it's an excellent movie, and rightfully don't give a fuck that it's not a faithful adaptation. I'm glad it's not. Kubrick's story is better.
The beautiful thing about watching movies based on books is you can go back to the original source & have a whole new experience.
I discovered many wonderful books through watching movie adaptations first, if it weren't for The Shining movie I wouldn't have read the book, in fact that's how I discovered Stephen King and this applies to the rest of his work.
Absolutely. I feel that way about remakes. It doesn't make the original go away.
@@jesustovar2549 that’s actually how I like to go about experiencing movie adaptations of books. Movie first, then book. Cause it’s easy to cast aside the expectations for the book when I have the movie in my head but harder for me to do the opposite. I did that for Trainspotting and enjoyed that a lot.
Great point
Not for me...I ruined Lord of the rings books for myself because as I was reading, I was just imagining the scenes from the films.
There's a reason King's an author and Kubrick's a director
Kubrick sucks
No you
@kathybrem880 you're delusional and a bum irl.
Yeah but that doesn’t relate to anything. If you’ve read the shining the movie is not a good adaptation at all. Still an amazing movie
Kubrick is dead.
It's a terrifying mind bender of a movie and it's obvious cold and dread was Kubricks aim and he did it masterfully.
I think it'd be a sad life not being able to appreciate the film much. It's a classic that stands out from every other horror movie.
The opening of the movie was unforgettable! The music, the drive through desolation and throughout the movie Jack Torrance’s blank stares into eternity. All characters to me were great. The Shining is truly terrifying and mesmerizing. One of the greatest movies, ever!
That opening scene & that music, majestic
The shining was a personal story about Kings struggle with drinking right? That's why he took it so personally. Not artistic jealousy at all.
Yeah. I think a lot of the commenters here have not read the book, lol. Both are good. The book's ending I think was particularly personal to King, and was one of the parts he was most upset about having been changed. The movie doesn't really give him that moment of clarity where he fights the possession / "alcoholism" long enough for his family to save themselves. Seeing alcoholism destroy his family is what motivated King to stop drinking. So I would agree. I don't see artistic jealousy being much of a factor here, especially since he admits there are many parts of the movie he does like and that he's a fan of Kubrick in general.
He's a writer. He doesn't like people messing with his creations. Kubrick is Kubrick. I've read the book 4 times and I have no idea how many times I've watched the Shining. i went the opening week when it came out with my stepfather and had to explain what happened in the movie to him after.
I have to admit his confusion was half of the fun.
He wasn't alone.
This makes me all the more happier that The Shining does not try to paint Jack as sympathetic. Abusers shouldn't be.
@EducatedBrutethat's what I'm thinking. Maybe Kubrick was a bit too subtle about the supernatural elements and the hotel itself being possessed but it definitely is. The impossible geometry of the floor layout itself makes it clear. But that's a detail I had missed completely if it wasn't for the analysis in the documentary "Room 237". Many of the rooms cannot be were they actually are. The "gold room" is also a mystery and we never see where it's even located.
@@JohnFWitt I thought that scene in the book was profoundly goofy and undercutting.
Boy, the camera staying with the axe into the door is simply scary as hell.
He doesn't have an axe at all in the book. He doesn't even say "Here's Johnny" ever. They're very different
Yup, as if he's striking Wendy with every blow.
There’s a theory that the camera is the hotel’s ghostly presence, and that the camera moving with the axe is the hotel’s influence and power contributing to jack’s madness
it’s so sharp and unique it creates a lot of visual interest
No the part with The Woman In the tub who Johnny, thought was dead, she gets out an chases him is scary.
Ironically Kubrick probably did more for kings reputation than any other person. Kings name is associated with one of the greatest movies ever made even though only the bare bones of his novel are in the film. Kubrick's adaptation works better on screen than the novel ever could, as proved by the mini series
Yeah kings self directed version of the mini series was horrendous , not scary and a bit of a joke . Unwatchable .
The whole novel is in the movie. What are you talking about?
@@jameshw9751 it's definitely not
@@ArcanumAscent true but Carrie has never been as iconic and talked about as The Shining. I don't think any movie in history has been scrutinised and debated about as much as The Shining
@Mark-lj1dj I absolutely love the shining and kubrick is my favourite Director but it is definitely not the most discussed movie of all time, not even close to it
Nothing annoys me more than the Shelly slander. That girl helped make the shining & she was so ab*sed during the filming that she made a mental breakdown & ended up homeless living in her car & now she’s passed away.. it’s heartbreaking af
That’s what makes the shining so good, it’s bitter and cold. You can feel the intense atmosphere throughout the movie because of how isolated the overlook hotel is. It really terrifies you.
I have never ever in my 47 years existence heard anybody associate «Here’s Johnny!» with Stephen King. Ever!
LOL, I was thinking the same thing.
Yeah, I think people think of the shining much more as a "Kubrick film" or "jack Nicholson movie" than a "Stephen King film"
@@SJNaka101 Or Johnny Carson Show from which «Here’s Johnny!» line originally is from😅
I think it was a reference to the intro of the Johnny Carson Show.
I thought the same thing
I've read several Stephen King books..I did not find any of them to be 'warm'. In fact I'd say the opposite, he has a very dry, calculated, reporter-like style that is usually devoid of emotion. Feels like reading a newspaper article
Edit: I think his journalistic style is why he is so successful in writing about the supernatural. It's the contrast between his 'matter-of-fact' style and the supernatural subject matter than makes the story feel authentic!
Probably what Kubrick saw in them too and channeled that into his adaptation.
Weird because that's not what I get out of them. I find his books to be very immersive. He's great at settings and world building.
I don't agree with that, I'm reading Misery right now and it's very immersive. Puts you right in bed with Paul and makes you connect and feel for him. Very "warm" feeling like King said
That's not what I got out of it. Many of his books are immersive, especially his earlier works. You're right there with Jack and his family. And that final unmasking part was so great. Jack in the book is a victim. In the movie, he goes full villain. Even in the sequel, Jack is a bit of a hero. I won't spoil it for anyone. I did hear that the book is rooted in his own families struggles with alcohol.
@@carmengogeidnas9670 you need to read pet sematary then. Several pages are dedicated to describing how louis stays in a drunken stupor to numb the reality that his kid was killed
As a huge fan of both the book and the movie, I find I best can reconcile(not sure if this is the word I'm looking for) the insane differences of both as just keeping them complete seperate entities. As if neither is in association with the other. Then, they are both their own masterpieces and I love them better for it. If I were to compare either to the other it just wouldn't make sense.
I do understand SK feelings because it's his baby 😅 I think a lot of authors would feel the same but then again, that's why they aren't out making movies.
Rambled and out of order thoughts just to say, they're both awesome by themselves.
Well said.
To think that Stanley Kubrick and Stephen King share the same initials: SK.
@@jesustovar2549 oh wow, that went right over my head. 😅
Have you seen the made for TV shining. It's longer and explains the hotel a bit better
@@shmikeyify never seen it, I'll have to check it out
A warm hearted horror movie?
Uh yeah that’s definitely achievable. Are you ignorant or something?
Jack in the book has a certain side to him that is lovable, that is constantly reaching to do good, trying to be a better husband and father, and you can feel the family dynamic just trying to stay together. In the movie Jack is cold from the start.
@@kitchensarehot8769 does that make the book better?
@@sphzxy movie does the horror elements better IMO. But the characters are way better in the book.
@@kitchensarehot8769 how's Wendy character on the book or is she the same?
Its such a shame movies like The Shinning and The Thing were viewed as such letdowns when they were released by the audiences of their time. Now we all appreciate them as such masterpieces of cinema.
Those movies were truly ahead of their time.
Kubrick vs King. holy hell what a meeting of the minds
Kubrick was a genius. King is not. He's good at thinking up spooky premises but his execution when fleshing out those ideas into complete stories is mid.
@@goatwarrior3570 have u even read any Stephen king books. Because u realise he doesn’t just do horror. Shawshank redemption, the green mile, 11/22/63? All of the shining and other stories Kubrick did was from other people. Also he only has like 2/3 classics. King has 10/12
@@owengibby Yes read a couple of his books, they're very poor. He comes up with some good premises but his writing is very weak and he never knows where to take a story so it usually drifts into nonsense. Fortunately, film makers were able to make some classic films inspired by his work and many of the film adaptations are far more famous than the mediocre books. Green Mile, Shawshank Redemption and the Shining would be good examples where the film is vastly superior and more widely known than the original book. Stanley Kubrick was a genius film maker with a great number of classics to his name. A far more intelligent, talented and respected artist than the oddball King could ever hope to be.
@@goatwarrior3570 I’ve read all of his books. There’s nothing wrong with his writing style. Sometimes simplicity works and it shows coming how their some of the most popular books of all time. I’ve recently just re-read the shining and the shawl shank redemption and their either the same level or better. And especially those books are his most focused. I just don’t think ur a big fan of king are a bit bias and you’re more of a movie fan than a book fan which is fine I guess.
I love The Movie. It was the one and only movie that scared me. Nothing else can stand as tall.
I didn't think it was scary. In fact. I hated it the first time I saw it. But something kept pulling me back to the movie. It stays with you. It haunts you. The misogyny, the unreliable narration, the debate if it's psychological or haunted. And the iconic images, one after the other. Many layers. Now, after many viewings, it's in my all-time top 10. Kubricks Shining calls to me, haunts my dreams, Stephen's book doesn't.
Misogyny? How is that even in the conversation? I don’t get it?
I always hate talking about scary movies with people. There’s always those “tough” people who are like, “That wasn’t even scary” followed by some passive aggressive judgement. I noticed those types of people always lack a good imagination. It takes a wild imagination to truly appreciate good horror stories.
Halloween didn't scare you? The Exorcist didn't scare you? Does the OG Friday the 13th didn't scare you? Pooty Tang didn't scare you?
@@josephdarkhelmet9494They are overdone slashers. They are predictable to anyone who knows anything about movies.
Kubrick - master of the cold horror abyss the family is sucked in to. Atmosphere beyond belief, rhythm of escalating dread and horror until that horrific culmination. Kubrick did great at his stab at the horror genre. One of the best haunted house films ever.
Technically its a Haunted Resort.
Shelly Duvals acting was absolutely amazing!
I did not read the book but I think the movie is a masterpiece.
From beginning to the end It has the Best cinematography ever!
It is
Even my wife who doesn't do horror movies enjoyed The Shining.
@@khbkcbdck Worth a watch on shrooms
Honest to God the book scared the crap outta me i read it in prison
tbh, King should just be delighted that Kubrick made a masterpiece out of his source material. His book fell into the PERFECT hands.
King obviously doesn't see it as a masterpiece.
@@gorblin70As a movie he did. But as an adaptation no
Shelley was pushed so much on the set to give such a great performance....it should be given the credit it deserves
I loved Shelley. That woman went through hell. Tormented the entire filming. All her emotion was 1000% real and you could feel it. Amazing actress and performance regardless.
That little boy grew up to be Louie CK
Ha! He does look a bit like Louis CK.
I thought he grew up to be General Kenobi
@@Sarklaser He did, from a certain point of view.
Kubrick made masterpiece cinema. Period.
King and Kubrick are both geniuses. As a fan of both of them I think it’s great that there’s two versions of The Shining.
RIP Shelley Duvall
The Shining coldness is part of its magic. And Ms Duvall is simply perfect for the role.... breathtakingly beautiful
Most terrifying horror movie ever made! Scares me every time I watch it. Of course my name is Wendy so that does help. The music alone , Jack's face, Danny's scenes. Shelley Duvall was fantastic and it makes me sick that she was physically, emotionally, verbally abused while filming this movie.😢 Mr. King should be embarrassed.
Why should he be embarrassed? Stephen King had nothing to do with how she was treated. That was Kubrick. He treated her terribly.
Wow I didn’t expect to walk away from this short totally understanding and respecting why he didn’t like a movie that I still think is a masterpiece. I feel like if it wasn’t based on his work he’d like it a lot more. His reasoning makes a lot of sense and he is able to articulate it incredibly well. Both King and Kubrick are masters of their craft.
RIP Shelley
I freaking love Stephen and The Shining was a phenomenal novel, but c'mon, he gotta give some credit to Shelley Duvall for that chilling performance. Her portrayal of fear and agony is palpable, it's what makes the movie work. Clearly Stephen had a different idea on the story as had Stanley Kubrick. That doesn't make the movie or the book less of a masterpiece. But hey, the true legend here would be Mike Flanagan who managed to make the best sequel in existence, combining both King and Kubrick's visions. THAT'S some real hard work to do, apparently.
I haven’t seen it, is Doctor Sleep any good? I assume that’s what you’re talking about.
@@Leech-3 yes, absolutely. I loved every second of it.
The Shining is one of my all-time favorite novels and Kubrick's adaptation, though no-doubt unfaithful, is one of my favorite horror movies. There's just no other movie like it. It's so unique.
Kubrick didn't hand out any lifeboats.
It's a true abyss of a horrorshow
Neither did king. King is just as scary on page. He’s just mad that it wasn’t a good adaptation which it wasn’t
Kubrick's movie is an absolute masterpiece. It's timeless and can never be fully explained. It takes you where your mind wants to go.
"Scream and be stupid"
No man, that's cruel 💀
I loved Shelley Duval in this movie like a hopeless house wife trying to keep her family together
The Shining as a movie was actually very warm in my opinion, even during the parts where there was snow. It gives off a very nostalgic feeling and it really feels like it’s pulled straight from the reader’s mind. Like it was written by someone who became inspired and fell in love with the novel, creating it in the way they saw it, and likely how many others saw it: Steve Kubrick.
To settle this debate simply watch Kings visual interpretation (the mini series).
King has also said Kubrick knew nothing about horror, but look at all the lazy cliches in his miniseries, like the stooge in the wolf mask jumping out at Danny.
whatever the mini series is in terms of quality doesnt change issues KING has with kubricks films
Then watch Doctor Sleep to “unsettle” it, haha.
Yeah it's awful
His miniseries was the drizzling shits. I am a huge King fan, but a shovel is a shovel
One of the things I love about The Shinning film is that King walked out of it 😂
It’s a masterpiece
It sucked
I agree it’s amazing but it isn’t a good adaptation from the book. And what I find funny Doctor sleep is a better adaptation of the book but people don’t like it as much
I feel bad for Shelley Duvall. It's messed up how Kubrick broke her mind to pieces and ruined her life
They were two different interpretations. King created these characters but when transforming the novel into a film Kubrick used his typical cold approach to characterization & focused on film style & technique. The 1997 tv movie w/ Steven Webber & Rebecca DeMornay was the opposite-centered more on character development than film style. Both are good.
Kubrick being the chess player calling King in the middle of the night to ask stupid questions, making King think he could start calling Kubrick stupid, making King look stupid.
To be fair, Stephen's description of Kubrick's movie as "cold" is 100% correct, AND the reason the movie is so d*mn thrilling, suspenseful, and outright horrific! I read the original story and did view the TV mini-series, which is closer to the book, and I found it to "comic booky" with the visuals and story presentation, not scary at all.
One of Kubrik’s feats in The Shining was to make a scary movie…in broad daylight.
Sorry Steve you got this one wrong. I understand that it was far removed from your vision but it really works. I'm glad the story can exist alongside with your book. Just like I'm glad Arnold Schwarzenegger's Conan can exist along side Robert E Howard's Conan.
Really? I find it unfortunate that either one of the cinematic interpretations of conan exists.
he gets most things wrong
@@BaseK59 I think he really just doesn't get movies at all. His books are kinda hit or miss.
@@johnrife7134 agreed
He just wanted to see his own vision. So later he directed his own version
I love Stephen but such a harsh review of Shelley. Her performance was raw and realistic. How I would expect someone to act when their husband goes insane. Her emotions were a wreck and she was absolutely terrified. She made the movie
As the creator of those characters, he is giving his opinion in relation to how they were portrayed as opposed to who they were supposed to be. He has every right to dissect the film this way. When the tv version was made, i was so confused as to why Wendy was so different, but after reading the book I understand that Rebecca Demornay was much more as Wendy was written.
No one thinks ur “books are warm” dude writes about psychological thrillers/ & horror & he thinks that makes people feel “warm inside”😂 he’s kinda cray cray
Nice comment. I like watching film adaptations of King's books (Like IT or the Mist ) but all his books are thrillers and he knows very well that the people who watch these movies are thriller-horror films fans like me and many others.We don't watch these movies for a warm feeling, that's not what we expect.
The book was fine, the movie was excellent.
i would say the opposite. book is one of the best I've read. kept me up at night, so nuanced and subtle but just terrifying stuff. the movie is also scary but Jack is more or less a psycho from the get go and the book really fleshes out the evil of the hotel and now it gets Jack. also, king's writing and use of metaphor to frighten you makes my skin crawl.
yep
The book is just as good. The movie isn’t a good adaptation that was Stephen kings problem.
Ever since watching the very faithful miniseries adaptation of The Shining, I have a greater appreciation for Kubrick's film and consider it the definitive version of The Shining
This is similar to Andrei Tarkovsky's Solaris, the writer hated it, because it wasn't like his book, but Tarkovsky responded that "he only wanted an illustration of his book"
Which is why I love this film so much, Kubrick made an adaptation, not a literal translation, which is what makes this movie so iconic, as someone who's read the Shining, I can tell you is very different, but that's what is so great about it
Unlike other directors that have no room for creating, because they are so worried on following the book word by word, Kubrick took the essentials and made something fantastic
Kinda sounds like a case of him just not being able to accept changes made to his work when adapted for the big screen. Clearly everything Kubrick did was the right ifea
Probably King having an ego problem tbh
How is everything he did clearly the right idea? Lol. Everything is flawed in different ways. Even the book. No movie/piece of fiction is without it’s flaws.
@@WopedomerKubrick had a much bigger ego problem than King ever did. Kubrick literally just took a story and thought “he could do better” by changing the story. Not to mention him wanting to make “the first good Science Fiction film” with 2001 A Space Odyssey, then proceeds to make an overrated film that wasn’t even the best Sci Fi the year it released.
I like that it's a recurring thing that movie directors have to go in and fix up King's trash.
Thank god we didn't get It with the young girl getting a train run on her.
thank you I totally agree
All of King's books follow a recipe. His movies have been shit for years. He should be thankful that someone took the time.
Not just someone, arguably the greatest director to ever live, and arguably his greatest film. It always pissed me off how King dismisses the film adaptation as not to his liking when it is universally considered possibly the greatest horror movie ever made
@@ghostphoto1789 Maybe he is happier with how Silver Bullet turned out?
Kubrick actually makes Wendy the central Character../ and she is the one going crazy not jack…. Rewatch it with this in mind, you’ll see a completely different perspective
I would love to watch movies with you Grace you understand reading between the lines.
He may not like how Kubrick depicted it but it’s still one of my favorite films!!
This is what makes Mike Flanagan's Doctor Sleep all the more impressive. It's a sequel to both the book and movie while also kind of a remake of the book.
Jack was a much more tragic character in the book.
Doctor Sleep gave him a terrific resolution. I had tears in my eyes reading it.
The movie was great. And meeting Henry Thomas and praising him for his cameo was fun.
Doctor sleep is awesome. Very underrated.
I had no idea, Mr. King - that you had such an indifference with "The Shining" movie as directed by Mr Kubrick. Actually, that movie is the first movie that scared me half to death as a kid. The first one that I really was genuinely scared! I was only about 10 years old I think when I first saw it on HBO late one night on a sleepover at a friends house. After his parents went to sleep, we sneaked into the TV room & watched the entire movie without his patents catching us! It scared the devil out of me and I still consider a classic. I'm 50 years old now but, back at that age, I was petrified. I too love all of Stanleys films...I am a big fan of your legendary work as well, Mr. King!
Steven King was a great writer. No one can deny that but he has become such a sanctimonious prick in his old age that he is tarnishing his legacy.
The mini series King did of the shining actually made me cry when i was a kid. I lije both
One of the rare times the movie is better than the book.
I've always said that too
So you didn't read the book, got it
L
literally nobody who has read the book actually thinks this.
Kubrick was a genius. His art was on a higher level than King's could ever be.
Can you say pretentious.
@@Lone432345 No, but you did.
@@seabertotter4325his most genius moment was tricking everyone to thinking that 2001 A Space Odyssey was a good movie.
Mate it’s art, no one is ‘objectively’ better than anyone else, and you praising Steven Kubrick makes him seem more pretentious than he already is
@@jakeisthedoctor2308 Your last few words of the sentence basically nullified your thesis.
Has anyone told Stephen King his books suck?
I never understood why people think he is such a great writer.
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I would if I met him in person.
shelley’s character was not just there to scream and be stupid?!?? she plays an incredibly important role
That "Misery" (1990) Movie was insanely cold. I wonder what warmth that movie had, it didn't. And why didn't Stephen use that as an argument to critique - that movie.
King's like that petulant child who wanted to play with others but would only do so if they all played the way he wanted them too
@@axlenuts5418 Stephen King is against free speech. He wants the corporations to own speech.
Kubrick’s film is an amazing achievement, no doubt, but I think the same claim could be made about Kubrick (wanting the other children on the playground to play what he wanted to play). Gifted kids are usually like that. They march to the beat of their own drummer and tend not to “play nicely” unless the other kids are following their lead. And even then they may have a difficult time getting along with their peers if their peers are not “keeping up” with them on an intellectual level. They get frustrated in such situations and, depending on how skillful they are at social interaction, may either bluntly tell that kid he should play with someone else, or he/she tries to communicate it to the kid in a more “polite”, but underhanded way, so as not to hurt the kid’s feelings as badly. I could see this applying to both King and Kubrick in their childhoods, two geniuses who didn’t just become geniuses when they turned 18, but were geniuses since they entered elementary school and were placed into various problem-solving situations on a daily basis.
@@rickbrenner6079yeah, bro said that he made the first “good” Sci Fi film, when 2001 wasn’t even the best Sci Fi film of 1968. Kubrick also was just an asshole to Shelley Duvall, probably because he looked down on her. I’m probably not as smart as him, but I could totally see getting into fights with him, because I do not like getting shit from anyone.
He's butthurt that the movie is better than the book
A mediocre book was made into one of the finest movies ever. King has to be proud of his great achievements but he should just accept that Kubrick outdid him in every possible way with this one.
I haven't read it. But im betting you didn't either. Its boring watching Kubrick Fans acting like a guy who was good at cinematography. Is the second coming of Jesus Christ.
@@Lone432345 dear sir, what exactly is your point?
@@GFSagredoKubrick couldn’t even make his own film, but decided to completely shit on King. He could’ve renamed the story and said it was based on The Shinning and no one would’ve cared. But he didn’t so he can just be an asshole.
Mediocre book? 😂😂😂
King fanboys everywhere
Good thing King didn't direct The Shining. The movie was incredible and it's thanks to Kubrick.
So, I was one of those people-you know, the ones who watched the movie first and thought, "Wow, this is amazing!" And then I made the rookie mistake of reading the book. And let me tell you, I was this close to tears. Suddenly, I knew so much more about the characters, about “The Shining” itself… it was like discovering a secret treasure trove.Honestly, if you loved the movie, you have to read the book. Not for comparison-no need to start a fight between them-but because it just gives you more. More backstory, more depth, more... shine. After the movie, I was craving more, and the book delivered like it was on a mission to make me an emotional wreck.Sure, there are differences, but I don't care. I love them both like a parent loves their kids: equally, but for totally different reasons.
He was jealous. Wendy was incredibly strong. Protected herself and her child from Jack.
Not sorry Stevie. The Shining is absolutely perfect. In. Every. Way.
The auther can describe with words about what the character was thinking in his/her mind , But in cinema , we can only watch and dive into the character feels and understand what the character is thinking and feeling.
Shelly Duval’s character seemed to do exactly what some women would do. She underplays the abuse he does because it’s easier if she does that. But she still fights for her son’s life, even though she still has strong feelings for husband. She is one of the few actresses that can portray terror well.
Steven's dismissal of her performance is gross and has lowered my opinion of him. He doesn't know what a strong woman is.
Both the book and the movie are exceptional 😊
The movie is a masterpiece. I watch it once a year. I read the novel once.
STEPHEN KING was the Acrchitect of such a magnificent structure and Kubric was the builder - both geniuses
When people discuss The Shining
99.7% of the time
ITS THE MOVIE 🎥
FACT
Exactly!
Both are so different that you can come away saying that King and Kubrick tried to achieve different things, but what Kubrick did is honesty a redefinition of the horror genre. The Shinning is one of the most beloved films of all time and I’d still say it’s underrated
Shelly was amazing as Wendy; real, vulnerable, abused, but she stood up to Jack and she triumphed in protecting her baby- GO WENDY!!!
Kubrick also hated Shelly Duvall screaming so much
I liked the book more than the movie too Stephen. I'm glad the author concurred with what I thought about the movie too. 👍
The reality is, like it or not, the film is one of the most multi-layered and holistic horror movies ever released. I’m not surprised King didn’t like it, because Kubrick is the only fucker in the world that could make his work more disturbing.
I felt the shining was more warm, definitely compared to current horror cinema. The shining is my favorite because of how many connections I was able to make, but it’s no where near as scary as current horror movies, take hereditary as an example.
I liked both. Film and book are just different media, the creators of each one made their creation according to their styles and strengths.
King makes some solid points. However, the real reason’s he’s bitter about it is because the material on screen ultimately wasn’t his material. It was loosely inspired by it. The thing King doesn’t understand is that when you’re making a film, you really have to throw out all the material at a certain point and do what’s best for the cinematic version of the story you’re telling and not anything it’s supposed to be based on. What works on page in a novel may not work well at all on stage in a film. It wasn’t ultimately King’s story on screen but it was still a great film. I think if he removed himself from his novel a bit more, he’d be able to see that
Except it had nothing to do with the book other than character names and setting. It's all fundamentally different.
@@virgogaming6488 Did you even read what I wrote? I addressed how it’s virtually a different story. I’m saying it doesn’t make it a bad film like King suggests. It just means it wasn’t his story
Steven King I feel was a bit too harsh on Shelly Duval in this interview. She was only following orders of what Kubrick wanted her to do. It wasn't like she asked to be portrayed as what Steven King thinks she is in the movie. Sadly in the end, it came at a long term cost to her mental and physical well being!
The series adaptation that was closer to the book was actually filmed in the Stanley Hotel but despite actually being haunted it's more welcoming and less scary than the hotel in the movie which feels massive and oppressive