@Egg99Rhubarb We did that with the tenor when I went to Sherborne Abbey and you are right - Bells that size are very easily affected with the clapper on the wrong side
For a start, its a 45ctw tenor. Second, the local pointed out that it was possible to get the bell up right, but you've got to check it before the rope even starts to swing. Which is what those three were trying to do. They almost had it as well, but then it went up wrong anyway.
@simonbellringer It was up wrong, and when you have a bell that big, with the clapper against you, it's near impossible to stand. The man ringing is very experienced and knew what he was doing. There are, in fact, occasions where just leaving the bell when it is on the balance and hoping for the best are actually worth trying.
Yes, well that's why those two tenors tend to remain up. Saves a lot of time and effort. That isn't to say that it's impossible to ring them up though.
From experience the tenor at St Patricks (ironically the heavier one) is quite a bit more pleasant to ring up, however Christ Church has that booming sound that I love
There is a possibility it slip wheeled at the beginning. I have rung a bell up where the rope kept slip wheeling. The rope almost stopped dead for a second then started to move again. Just a possibility :^)
@simonbellringer I don't know if you've held a clapper before but larger bells have clappers that weigh a significant amount. I can't quote you the exact weight right now, but I'm ringing at Winchester Cathedral tonight and I'll ask what the weight of the clapper there is. It'll be heavy! Just to give you some idea, I believe that Great Peter at York Minster (I know it's too heavy to ring) has a clapper that weighs 13cwt. So you're looking at a couple of cwt for the clapper on Liverpool's tenor.
When I rang in Dublin I pulled the tenor up at St Patricks with 1 person helping and we got it up without missing any :) Admittedly however we certainly ached for a few days after...
@Egg99Rhubarb How badly can a clapper affect a bell? Surely compared to the weight of the bell the clapper is pretty light? OK, I know it's quite heavy, but surely not when compared to the weight of the bell itself!!
@simonbellringer For a start, that bell is a bitch at the best of times (and it was up wrong during the video). When you can ring as well and as much as Ben can ring, then you can start making comments on how people should be setting tenors.
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@Egg99Rhubarb We did that with the tenor when I went to Sherborne Abbey and you are right - Bells that size are very easily affected with the clapper on the wrong side
:O raised that monster tenor at St Patrick's solo once!
For a start, its a 45ctw tenor.
Second, the local pointed out that it was possible to get the bell up right, but you've got to check it before the rope even starts to swing. Which is what those three were trying to do. They almost had it as well, but then it went up wrong anyway.
Would benefit from a M Higby and Co Wooden Clapper.....
When we raised Christ Church tenor it took 8 minutes to do it: 4 minutes to raise it and a full 4 minutes to stand the beast!!
@simonbellringer It was up wrong, and when you have a bell that big, with the clapper against you, it's near impossible to stand. The man ringing is very experienced and knew what he was doing. There are, in fact, occasions where just leaving the bell when it is on the balance and hoping for the best are actually worth trying.
Took me 8 years to find this compliment :-)
Yes, well that's why those two tenors tend to remain up. Saves a lot of time and effort.
That isn't to say that it's impossible to ring them up though.
From experience the tenor at St Patricks (ironically the heavier one) is quite a bit more pleasant to ring up, however Christ Church has that booming sound that I love
0:34 Clapper of tenor: nah im still here just dont want to go on the right side!
There is a possibility it slip wheeled at the beginning. I have rung a bell up where the rope kept slip wheeling. The rope almost stopped dead for a second then started to move again. Just a possibility :^)
Ringer Jason A possibility, but unlikely! :)
You wouldn't be able to ring the bell up if it slipped wheel while down..
@Egg99Rhubarb True... just a pity it didnt work here!!
@simonbellringer Have you rung this specific bell then? You sound like an expert...
@simonbellringer I don't know if you've held a clapper before but larger bells have clappers that weigh a significant amount. I can't quote you the exact weight right now, but I'm ringing at Winchester Cathedral tonight and I'll ask what the weight of the clapper there is. It'll be heavy!
Just to give you some idea, I believe that Great Peter at York Minster (I know it's too heavy to ring) has a clapper that weighs 13cwt. So you're looking at a couple of cwt for the clapper on Liverpool's tenor.
When I rang in Dublin I pulled the tenor up at St Patricks with 1 person helping and we got it up without missing any :) Admittedly however we certainly ached for a few days after...
you should try raising it on your own ; 3;
@Egg99Rhubarb I guess... it just looked wrong on the vid, like he was just letting it go. Light set, per chance? That would explain it...
@Egg99Rhubarb How badly can a clapper affect a bell? Surely compared to the weight of the bell the clapper is pretty light? OK, I know it's quite heavy, but surely not when compared to the weight of the bell itself!!
The local did it for us.
On the second clip, on the first couple of pulls, why was the rope jolting? It looked like really hard work. Can anyone enlighten me?
unlucky. in the second clip u nearly had it. reminds me pullin up the third at luxulyan lol
@simonbellringer For a start, that bell is a bitch at the best of times (and it was up wrong during the video). When you can ring as well and as much as Ben can ring, then you can start making comments on how people should be setting tenors.
so did you not go up to transfer the clapper tp the right side?
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