I know, I love that opening. I forgot to mention on the show that Hertzog filmed that in a museum in Mexico...just took the mummies out of their glass cases and lined them up against a wall.
Tom says a lot of things that get me grinning, but this time...OMG I'm crying! "...her nose and mouth arrangement" and "...placed on her skull". I'll never forget this one! Love you guys!
Huge fan of the original 1922 silent film. I haven't seen this one in its entirety, but I plan to one of these days. Jenny, I'm very glad that you brought up Shadow of the Vampire! I saw the film when it first came out and thought it was outstanding, Willem Dafoe nailed it. I highly recommend it as well!
Man, Shadow of the Vampire is so good. I just rewatched it a few weeks ago and fell in love with it all over again. I had forgotten how morbidly funny it was, and if there's one thing I love, it's pitch-black humor like that. Plus Willem Dafoe was excellent in it.
@@13OClockPodcast Just a side-note... if you guys dig British humor films, then give "What We Do in the Shadows" a glance. I thought it was a great concept and the dry humor worked well. Oh yeah Tom & Jenny, you'll see in this trailer that they pay homage to Nosferatu and Mr. Barlow! ruclips.net/video/mzuNjOEwOLk/видео.html If you watch it, let us know what you think! - Rob
The idea of the modern vampire was actually introduced by Polidori in the early 1800s. He based his character (very obviously, I might add) on Lord Byron. That’s where the concept of the overindulgent aristocratic with an insatiable appetite for pleasure and who likes to prey on women comes from, because Lord Byron was quite literally like that. He was also infamously a very handsome ladies (and men’s) man, which is the basis for the concept of vampires being beautiful. In graduate school, I spent an entire semester doing an individual project on Lord Byron as the inspiration for the modern vampire and how the evolution of Victorian thought (I was studying Victorian literature at the time) into a utilitarian nature led Stoker to depict his vampire, still an aristocrat, as ugly based on what the Victorians saw as generally frivolous and gluttonous cultures in the Napoleonic and romantic eras. I think I mentioned in one of my other comments that as a kid I wanted to be a vampire. The urge passed but I’ve never stopped being fascinated by the concept. Also, I once had a job that required me to travel frequently back and forth to Eastern Europe and to spend extended periods of time there. Beautiful part of the world, wonderful people. I once-and still frequently-considered moving to Prague, Krakow (which I think of as Prague Jr.), or Budapest permanently. I even checked out real estate in all of them. (By the way, the former Czechoslovakia is now two countries, the Czech republic and Slovakia. I’m trying to remember--it’s been years since I have been to either--but I believe the castle of Dracula’s to which you are referring and Elizabeth Bathory’s castle of terror are both in Slovakia. But I could be wrong. Like I said, it’s been awhile. I might even be thinking Slovakia because I always thought of Slovakia as a sort of creepy little country because it’s eerily quiet and you almost never see anyone out in public, like walking the streets or doing what normal people do outdoors. It’s very strange, like the entire country is one big ghost town. But the people are actually very lovely once you do make contact.) Anyway, the term “vampire” is really very much an English term with a unique English connotation. Their concept of what we associate with “vampire” in their folklore is not really the same as ours, to the point that I almost think of it as a misnomer to associate their concept with ours. About the only things that match are that the two creatures are both un-dead and have to be staked to discontinue their reigns of terror on the living. It’s hard to explain. But they’re just very different sorts of ideas. It’s like you think you’re talking about the same thing because they are associated linguistically, but you’re really not. It’s kind of like calling Frankenstein a ghost. That’s a bad comparison. But it kind of explains it. Yes, Frankenstein is a creature who is not dead. But a ghost is a spirit without a body whereas Frankenstein is a physical body brought back from the dead without a spirit. In western European lore, vampires very consciously act. They are aware of the decisions that they make, be they for good or evil. In Eastern European lore, there is no consciousness in the “vampire” state. The concept of vampire is very much associated with a soul that cannot move on because it has become separated from a rogue body, and their solution is to attempt to reunite the two by literally nailing someone to their grave. On a side note, while listening to this episode, I kept thinking of the Joe Hill novel Nos4at2, which is a GREAT read if you haven’t read it. I’m a huge Joe Hill fan. I also hate Christmas. So I was totally on board from page 1. In some aspects, I think he’s actually a better writer than his dad. Also, the movie that inspired me to want to be a vampire as a kid was a really terrible 1970s B comedy called Love at First Bite. It stars George Hamilton and Susan Saint James. I still watch it all the time, just because it’s actually really funny. As a kid (totally giving away my age now), I was OBSESSED with that movie in a ridiculous sort of way, which is how I generally like my comedies if I’m going to watch them. Of course, I think Interview with the Vampire is hilarious and it’s not supposed to be funny. But I don’t care. That movie is funny as hell. There is no way I could ever watch a scene with Antonio Banderas staring down Brad Pitt’s neck in a very melodramatic fashion while delivering the line, ‘I love only you Louis’ without laughing. Anyway, sorry for the long comment-and the preachy nature of it if it comes off that way. I was really bored today, doing some pre-Thanksgiving prep while listening to you guys and waiting for the oven timer to go off. I got carried away with myself. Plus, vampires are one of my favorite topics for academic discussion…And all you were trying to do was discuss a movie. Please don’t hate me. I really don’t mean to do it. I just get started on a pet topic (or two in this case) and can’t help myself.
Are you kidding, I love long comments like this, especially about any horror-adjacent sort of topics. I can talk about horror stuff all day. :-) You're probably around our age, then, because I also fondly remember Love at First Bite, though I haven't seen it in a long time. I also admit I have a soft spot for the later, extremely cheesy vampire comedy Once Bitten, which featured an early (and non-annoying) role by Jim Carrey as the virginal lead character, haha. I still laugh at that line when he tells Lauren Hutton that he dreamed he was a Capri-Sun (though he didn't use the brand name). One thing I actually liked about the Anne Rice vampire books was that she made a distinction between the "pretty," aristocratic, Byronesque vampires, and the more animalistic, ghoulish ones, thereby paying homage to both traditions, and treating it as something like same family, slightly different species. Seemed like a good way to go about it. I can't think of another vampire movie that did that (I'm sure there are some). It seems like most of them chose one type of vampire or the other. And it's my understanding that the Eastern European flavor of vampire...didn't they initially just feed on their relatives? I seem to remember reading that somewhere, that when someone in your family died, you had to take care to keep them in the grave so they wouldn't return over subsequent nights and snack on you.
Will certainly have to check this out thanks for the recommendation, I think so far the Hammer Dracula films are my favourite, hard to beat Lee and Cushing in films even if the plot isn't all that close to the original novel. And yeah I really hated the accents in the Coppola Dracula, I'd have rather had the actors use their original accents than do those really strange English accents that sounded almost like someone doing a parody of accents.
I love Coppola's Dracula overall, but Winona and Keanu were the weak links. They're not bad actors, they were just miscast. I loved the rest of the cast in it, though.
The biggest difference between the English and German versions is Kinski's performance. He's a bit stronger in German, since he doesn't have such a hard time being intelligible in his second or third language while wearing those fake teeth. Also worth noting that the Harker/Hütter character is played by Swiss veteran actor Bruno Ganz, best known for his roles in the arthouse drama _Wings of Desire_ and the historical biopic _Downfall._
The original Nosferatu and the remake both magnificent films that look splendid. I agree about Francis Ford Coppola’s Dracula in the early nineties. I didn’t approve of the one, though I am a fan of the cast, but this film didn’t deliver the goods like hammer did. I didn’t like that hair piece on Gary Oldman. In some way I’m glad Coppola made this because I did enjoy Dracula Dead and Loving It by Mel Brooks that really took the piss out of the Coppola version.
The Coppola Dracula? We're probably gonna do a review of that one of these days. I think it has a few flaws (particularly in the casting of Winona Ryder and Keanu Reeves, as I mentioned on this episode), but otherwise I love it. Absolutely stunning visual style, plus Gary Oldman makes a fantastic Dracula.
That intro scene with all the mummified corpses in the catacombs is still freaky to me.
I know, I love that opening. I forgot to mention on the show that Hertzog filmed that in a museum in Mexico...just took the mummies out of their glass cases and lined them up against a wall.
Tom says a lot of things that get me grinning, but this time...OMG I'm crying! "...her nose and mouth arrangement" and "...placed on her skull". I'll never forget this one! Love you guys!
..glad you love that shit, baby.. I cant help it, that shit just comes out.
@@Gloomshadow100 That's why you guys are so good. It's real. Don't stop!
Huge fan of the original 1922 silent film. I haven't seen this one in its entirety, but I plan to one of these days. Jenny, I'm very glad that you brought up Shadow of the Vampire! I saw the film when it first came out and thought it was outstanding, Willem Dafoe nailed it. I highly recommend it as well!
Man, Shadow of the Vampire is so good. I just rewatched it a few weeks ago and fell in love with it all over again. I had forgotten how morbidly funny it was, and if there's one thing I love, it's pitch-black humor like that. Plus Willem Dafoe was excellent in it.
@@13OClockPodcast Just a side-note... if you guys dig British humor films, then give "What We Do in the Shadows" a glance. I thought it was a great concept and the dry humor worked well. Oh yeah Tom & Jenny, you'll see in this trailer that they pay homage to Nosferatu and Mr. Barlow! ruclips.net/video/mzuNjOEwOLk/видео.html If you watch it, let us know what you think! - Rob
I love this movie. I especially like the atmosphere and surrealism
been thinking about rewatching this one. worth it alone for both kinsksy and isabella adjani
Heh the best horror are still the behind the scene stories from Werner Hertzog's movie
I really need to watch that My Best Fiend documentary about Hertzog and Kinski. Both of those dudes were straight up insane, LOL.
@@13OClockPodcast it's on youtube in full (well it was split into spart)
Shit, I'm even frightened by Count Choccula , damn good cereal though .
The idea of the modern vampire was actually introduced by Polidori in the early 1800s. He based his character (very obviously, I might add) on Lord Byron. That’s where the concept of the overindulgent aristocratic with an insatiable appetite for pleasure and who likes to prey on women comes from, because Lord Byron was quite literally like that. He was also infamously a very handsome ladies (and men’s) man, which is the basis for the concept of vampires being beautiful. In graduate school, I spent an entire semester doing an individual project on Lord Byron as the inspiration for the modern vampire and how the evolution of Victorian thought (I was studying Victorian literature at the time) into a utilitarian nature led Stoker to depict his vampire, still an aristocrat, as ugly based on what the Victorians saw as generally frivolous and gluttonous cultures in the Napoleonic and romantic eras. I think I mentioned in one of my other comments that as a kid I wanted to be a vampire. The urge passed but I’ve never stopped being fascinated by the concept.
Also, I once had a job that required me to travel frequently back and forth to Eastern Europe and to spend extended periods of time there. Beautiful part of the world, wonderful people. I once-and still frequently-considered moving to Prague, Krakow (which I think of as Prague Jr.), or Budapest permanently. I even checked out real estate in all of them. (By the way, the former Czechoslovakia is now two countries, the Czech republic and Slovakia. I’m trying to remember--it’s been years since I have been to either--but I believe the castle of Dracula’s to which you are referring and Elizabeth Bathory’s castle of terror are both in Slovakia. But I could be wrong. Like I said, it’s been awhile. I might even be thinking Slovakia because I always thought of Slovakia as a sort of creepy little country because it’s eerily quiet and you almost never see anyone out in public, like walking the streets or doing what normal people do outdoors. It’s very strange, like the entire country is one big ghost town. But the people are actually very lovely once you do make contact.) Anyway, the term “vampire” is really very much an English term with a unique English connotation. Their concept of what we associate with “vampire” in their folklore is not really the same as ours, to the point that I almost think of it as a misnomer to associate their concept with ours. About the only things that match are that the two creatures are both un-dead and have to be staked to discontinue their reigns of terror on the living. It’s hard to explain. But they’re just very different sorts of ideas. It’s like you think you’re talking about the same thing because they are associated linguistically, but you’re really not. It’s kind of like calling Frankenstein a ghost. That’s a bad comparison. But it kind of explains it. Yes, Frankenstein is a creature who is not dead. But a ghost is a spirit without a body whereas Frankenstein is a physical body brought back from the dead without a spirit. In western European lore, vampires very consciously act. They are aware of the decisions that they make, be they for good or evil. In Eastern European lore, there is no consciousness in the “vampire” state. The concept of vampire is very much associated with a soul that cannot move on because it has become separated from a rogue body, and their solution is to attempt to reunite the two by literally nailing someone to their grave.
On a side note, while listening to this episode, I kept thinking of the Joe Hill novel Nos4at2, which is a GREAT read if you haven’t read it. I’m a huge Joe Hill fan. I also hate Christmas. So I was totally on board from page 1. In some aspects, I think he’s actually a better writer than his dad. Also, the movie that inspired me to want to be a vampire as a kid was a really terrible 1970s B comedy called Love at First Bite. It stars George Hamilton and Susan Saint James. I still watch it all the time, just because it’s actually really funny. As a kid (totally giving away my age now), I was OBSESSED with that movie in a ridiculous sort of way, which is how I generally like my comedies if I’m going to watch them. Of course, I think Interview with the Vampire is hilarious and it’s not supposed to be funny. But I don’t care. That movie is funny as hell. There is no way I could ever watch a scene with Antonio Banderas staring down Brad Pitt’s neck in a very melodramatic fashion while delivering the line, ‘I love only you Louis’ without laughing.
Anyway, sorry for the long comment-and the preachy nature of it if it comes off that way. I was really bored today, doing some pre-Thanksgiving prep while listening to you guys and waiting for the oven timer to go off. I got carried away with myself. Plus, vampires are one of my favorite topics for academic discussion…And all you were trying to do was discuss a movie. Please don’t hate me. I really don’t mean to do it. I just get started on a pet topic (or two in this case) and can’t help myself.
Are you kidding, I love long comments like this, especially about any horror-adjacent sort of topics. I can talk about horror stuff all day. :-)
You're probably around our age, then, because I also fondly remember Love at First Bite, though I haven't seen it in a long time. I also admit I have a soft spot for the later, extremely cheesy vampire comedy Once Bitten, which featured an early (and non-annoying) role by Jim Carrey as the virginal lead character, haha. I still laugh at that line when he tells Lauren Hutton that he dreamed he was a Capri-Sun (though he didn't use the brand name).
One thing I actually liked about the Anne Rice vampire books was that she made a distinction between the "pretty," aristocratic, Byronesque vampires, and the more animalistic, ghoulish ones, thereby paying homage to both traditions, and treating it as something like same family, slightly different species. Seemed like a good way to go about it. I can't think of another vampire movie that did that (I'm sure there are some). It seems like most of them chose one type of vampire or the other.
And it's my understanding that the Eastern European flavor of vampire...didn't they initially just feed on their relatives? I seem to remember reading that somewhere, that when someone in your family died, you had to take care to keep them in the grave so they wouldn't return over subsequent nights and snack on you.
Will certainly have to check this out thanks for the recommendation, I think so far the Hammer Dracula films are my favourite, hard to beat Lee and Cushing in films even if the plot isn't all that close to the original novel. And yeah I really hated the accents in the Coppola Dracula, I'd have rather had the actors use their original accents than do those really strange English accents that sounded almost like someone doing a parody of accents.
I love Coppola's Dracula overall, but Winona and Keanu were the weak links. They're not bad actors, they were just miscast. I loved the rest of the cast in it, though.
good pick n good job on it you 2
What an amazing remake of a classic...that also WAS cool the original Dracula Bootleg got out, Klaus fucking nails everything he does
The biggest difference between the English and German versions is Kinski's performance. He's a bit stronger in German, since he doesn't have such a hard time being intelligible in his second or third language while wearing those fake teeth.
Also worth noting that the Harker/Hütter character is played by Swiss veteran actor Bruno Ganz, best known for his roles in the arthouse drama _Wings of Desire_ and the historical biopic _Downfall._
The original Nosferatu and the remake both magnificent films that look splendid. I agree about Francis Ford Coppola’s Dracula in the early nineties. I didn’t approve of the one, though I am a fan of the cast, but this film didn’t deliver the goods like hammer did. I didn’t like that hair piece on Gary Oldman. In some way I’m glad Coppola made this because I did enjoy Dracula Dead and Loving It by Mel Brooks that really took the piss out of the Coppola version.
Lover your shirt dude
We sell those.. Jenny made it. Only 2 in existence right now.
Wow that awesome
I’d love to know what y’all think of the 1992 film, one of my all time favorites!
The Coppola Dracula? We're probably gonna do a review of that one of these days. I think it has a few flaws (particularly in the casting of Winona Ryder and Keanu Reeves, as I mentioned on this episode), but otherwise I love it. Absolutely stunning visual style, plus Gary Oldman makes a fantastic Dracula.
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Have you seen shadow of the vampire
Yep, three or four times. I mentioned it at the end of this review too...it's a great movie. :-)
@@13OClockPodcast ya I posted that before you said it lol
haha a nose mouth arrangement that confuses the eye. she is the most underrated beauty in cinema?
He said “conducive” to the eye, not confusing lol