Midsized Trucks Are Going 4 Cylinder Turbo! Is this Good or Bad?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- 👋 As the world changes, we are now seeing more and more mid sized trucks having a 4 cylinder turbo engine rather than an old school naturally aspirated V6. Do you like the direction the car market is going? Can these new turbo 4 bangers actually be as reliable compared to the outgoing V6 engines we've seen for decades? Todays video we are driving in the new 2024 GMC Canyon AT4X AEV having some fun off roading. The Canyon and Colorado only have this 2.7L 4 cylinder engine available. And the new 2024 Tacoma now only has a 2.4L turbo 4 cylinder available. Ford Ranger only has turbo engines too! The Gladiator, Ridgeline and Frontier are the only midsized trucks that still have a normal V6 available. So we are seeing a big shift. Can these trucks still be trucks and handle what owners will throw their way?
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Midsized Trucks Are Going 4 Cylinder Turbo! Is this Good or Bad?
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What we really need is the government to stay out of our vehicles and just do what the constitution tells them to do
Very true! We are already seeing the EV push and how demand is going down big time. EV's depreciate like crazy and are probably why vehicles are getting more expensive. They need to make up for building expensive EV's that they can't sell. Hopefully soon we see a change. Last 4 years have been awful
Toyota has a lot of issues going on with the Tundra, Highlander, and the new gen 4 Tacoma with overheating transmissions? The Canyon, Ranger Raptor, and the best deal is the Nissan Pro-4x. IMHO, I would not touch a new Taco? I'll definitely be keeping my 2019 trdpro tacoma voodoo blue with the M/T
I’ll still be buying a new Tacoma. Most of the issues those engines have had are in manufacturing and not the engine itself. So once they figure out all that, they’ll all be good.
@BrosFOURRSpeed 😎 I hope you get the new Trdpro Tacoma? That would be great for the channel.
Had the opportunity to get the new Tacoma..so glad I did not. I have owned many. The new one 100% does NOT have good build quality so far even compared to the last gen. The interior pieces don't fit well and visibility forward over the hood is the worst of all the mid sizers. And not to mention pricing compared to it's competition? Please. You can't go wrong with the GM twins or the new Ranger either. Best bang for the buck and reliable? Go for the old school Nissan Frontier. The Toyota has the slowest and worst handling...the Ford the best and the others in between. Go drive them all. Look at reviews and make the best choice for you. I went with a GMC Canyon AT4X and have been very satisfied with the style in and out, power, and build quality. Thanks for the video.
4 cylinder turbos in compact and mid-size trucks is fine. Most privately owned non-commercial trucks rarely, if ever, tow or haul anything; and if they do it's extremely light duty.
They're A to B vehicles like the rest.
Initially, it's not a problem. Long-term, it's a problem.
Why? Turbo engines have been around for decades..
@@BrosFOURRSpeed heat, extra parts and complexity, and cheap mfg are not a great combo for the long term. Sure, under stressed applications with quality mfg, can do fine, but not the case today. Look at the new Toyota twin turbo V6, then ask owners if they would rather have the NA V8. Heck, I'd take the old small V8 2uz over any of the new stuff as the mfg was six sigma and continuous improvement driven, vs make it as cheap as possible with plastic parts everywhere. Maybe everything is junk these days, but simple designs have less to go wrong.
@@treborheminway3814 Keep in mind, the Toyota V6 TT is having issues from sloppy manufacturing. Not actually turbo related. It we’ll see how these do now that they are more mainstream
@@BrosFOURRSpeedyou may want to do a quick search. The new Tundra was having turbo issues even before the engine issues started.
@@treborheminway3814like he said, the problems Toyota is having are manufacturing related. Completely unrelated to being a smaller turbo engine. Fords 2.3 in the ranger and the 2.7 in the f150 would be examples of small turbo engines in trucks being quite reliable.
The early Toyota pu's (before you two were born) were 4-cylinders (22R), the V6 came later and is what this generation has grown up with, so anything less is questionable in their eyes.
Yeah very true
How would you MOD it.
Lift kit, rock rails and bumpers to start. Probably do a high clearance exhaust and an air intake. Could even tune the engine for more power
New Ranger still offer v6 2.7 turbo which is a good engine imo.
Yeah I like how Ford is offering a good selection of engines. Would be nice if Toyota at least had the old V6 available.
my maveric generates 190 hp and when the battery kicks in you better hold on. I can fit lawn chair in back dont laugh at me when i drive by
Cool.
AHA!!!!!
You are on record saying Ridgeline is a truck.
As far as 4 bangers go, as the Tacomas go a year from now, so will that topic go. In my humble opinion, of course.
lol yeah the Ridgeline has some good features. Just not the most off road focused like the rest. We’ll see how the Tacoma does long term
Wrong, the new generation Ranger actually introduced two new engine options. The 2.7L TTv6 and 3.0L TTV6 with 405hp.
Yeah, the 3L is only in the raptor.
V-6 all the way no 4 cylinder turbo shit box’s
We'll have to see how these handle. But I never saw many negatives with the 4 cylinder Ranger over the last several years.
Bad, very bad, elementary physics, you run the engine hotter and at higher pressures, it WILL NOT last as long.
They’ve been around for decades, explain that?
How does something being around for decades mean it’s good?
Fiats have been around for decades.. nobody is gonna be trying to convince you they’re reliable or a good choice. Don’t see you running out to buy one..
The fact is, you’re diehard Toyota fan boys and you’re simply looking for confirmation bias and ignoring the glaring, obvious facts. Turbocharged engines are renown for being less reliable. More moving parts, greater pressures, higher temps, and the fact that most people that have them done know how to properly maintain them. Add to the fact that so far.. the new Tacomas are looking under built and it’s already showing signs of disaster.
@@jc6618TOYOTA has been making reliable turbo engines for DECADES. Period. End of story. They have already been proven to last forever for over 40 years now.
@@BrosFOURRSpeedThey haven't been used "for decades" in mid-sized and full sized trucks. It's something new. The reliability in larger and heavier vehicles won't be the same for all the reasons people have stated.
@@glenhalstead2301 well obviously. But the tech isn’t anything new. So if the automakers build these new turbo engine to be robust, there shouldn’t be any issues. And so far I haven’t seen actual turbo issues. The Toyota V6 turbo is having issues from sloppy production. But has nothing to do with the turbos. We’ll have to see how these 4 cylinder engines do. But I can’t remember seeing anything crazy with the last Gen Ranger. So you’d think this new generation of mid sized trucks will be good. Time will tell. But the tech isn’t new, so there shouldn’t be many hurdles for the automakers to make a reliable turbo engine for these trucks
Why would you make this video to support turbos we already know the garbage especially in trucks, you're trying to compare a turbo to a car to a truck dudes don't you know anything about vehicles yes they would work inside of a car a small car, but when you have a 4-cylinder motor inside of a truck and you're pulling 5000 lb what that turbo is doing is boosting the motor the four little cylinders it's making the more to work three times as hard pull all that weight come on guys this is common sense who's paying you guys off. Turbo engine inside of a truck is the most stupidest ridiculous thing I've ever heard of find the stupid is only going to get worse as long as people keep buying them those mortars will not last inside of a truck!!! Common sense just isn't common anymore!!!!!!!!
Going from a v8 or v6 to a 4 cylinder turbo is for cutting emissions not primarily increased efficiency.
Yea we know that.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed
No worries. It wasn’t directed at you. Just mentioned it for the uninformed.
A naturally aspirated V6 was never a good choice for a truck. It doesn’t make power in the right RPMs. A turbo charged I4 or I6 that is designed like, and has a power curve similar to a turbo diesel is a far better choice for a small truck. It’s funny how people take so much issue with these engines because they are turbo charged, but have no problem with turbo diesel engines. I understand they’re not exactly the same, but the turbos are still doing the same thing. These are not car engines, and they’re not existing engines that the manufacturer just slapped a turbo on. They are purposely engineered and built to operate as truck engines. I believe the best example is the GM 2.7 L. It’s been used in the full-size trucks now for six years with an excellent track record.
Very true! And while some new turbo trucks are having problems. Non of the issues have been compressor or boost related. So I think they’ll be fine once the sloppy build quality improves. The low end torque and peak TQ down low makes these trucks much better
V6s not a good choice in a truck??? I had 4.3 in an S10 and the newer 4.3 in a Silverado and they were both great reliable engines. I have the 2.7 in a Silverado and it's great too, I pray it holds up like my V6s did.
Ford Rangers including the Ranger Raptor still use V6.
You can buy a 4 cylinder ranger..
@@BrosFOURRSpeed we all know that, but it sounded like the ranger has moved away from v6 which is far from the truth and they still have naturally aspirated v8 options and its unlikely it’ll go away soon.
@@alexmar1382 They moved away from an N/A V6. There is no V8 available for the Ranger
I’m saying Ford still offer v8 on their trucks ; i.e. f150. Don’t think rangers ever had a v8.
@@BrosFOURRSpeedagain we know that but still a v6 but turbo.
It has nothing to do with mileage and everything to do with emissions. For reasons beyond my education level, 4 bangers burn cleaner than V6/V8 at the same revs.
Also the turbo gives you low end torque that the 6 couldn’t touch.
Having just changed from a V6 Colorado to the new I4, I can’t see myself going back. Also, I get about 1 mpg more at around 19.5 - nothing crazy but technically better. Especially considering my 1.5” lift and 32’s.
Thanks for sharing!
You sound like you’re in denial 💀 look at the V6 Nissan frontier, thing averages 20 MPG wtf are you talking about
@@Genghis_Khaan_ yeah… and the I4 turbo Tacoma/Colorado also gets ~20 mpg…
No significant economy improvements… Did I say something different?
@@HatWearingDog No, you didn't.
*Bubbas will desire a 50 liter naturally aspirated V6 that gets 1mpg... the reality is NA engines have reached their limit... the move to turbo4s is to satisfy USA consumer power demands*
Cool.
The only thing that isn't changing is the terrain, dirt will be dirt, rocks will be rocks, trails will have dirt, rocks and whatnot.
So why the change to smaller engines with turbo?😂😂😂
More powerful, but interesting they can’t offer both.
We were waiting for the new Tacoma to get. Found out they have v4 with turbo along with new tundra. Purchased a used 2023 Tacoma v6 4x4 with 3k miles. I had a bmw and Audi with turbo…. No bueno.
I’ve had several turbo cars modded with zero issues.
I saw the Rs3 video. Beautiful car. To each their own indeed.
Thanks! We'll see how these turbo trucks handle use!
I have a 2020 ranger. Over 80k miles with a tune and it’s been rock solid. As far as I know doing these 2 things will really help the engine last longer.
3k-4k oil change intervals
Let the engine warm up 5-10 minutes before going heavy on the throttle.
Nice! Definitely solid advice and thats what we do in our cars. Always make sure oil temp is to operating level before hard driving.
There's no replacement for turbo torque. I'd take a turbo 4 Any Day over a small na V6. They make WAY more low end torque
Yeah they are nice and peppy!
I’m really concerned about longevity in the 4 bangers and real world 🌎 towing all the time and using it as a work vehicle 🚗 not rice popper zoom 🏎️ zoom car which has no relevance to work Truck 🛻
Yeah we'll have to see. Never really saw bad things from the last Ford Ranger. So you'd think these can handle it
@@BrosFOURRSpeed Yeah thats the Question 4 bangers are weaker and run rougher than a V-6 or V-8 wish they offered a Diesel option.
A truck that sounds like a car is the real problem. If I’m going to spend 50k on a truck that’s a 4 banger I’d rather get a proper 4 banger like a type R.
Completely different type of vehicle. Can’t exactly tow or offroad with a civic..
Trucks should NEVER have 4 cylinder engines. 6 cylinder at a minimum. Turbo is unnecessary.
Europe pretty much has only ever had 4pot diesels and they work absolutely fine lmfao
@@iCozzh No.
Like the other comment said, 4 cylinders have been around for decades, now that they have more power than a V6, what’s the issue?
I do like the V6’s, would be cool to see a hybrid V6 like in some full size trucks, but I’ll be buying a hybrid Tacoma, should be great.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed False.
Great for the first 20 to 30k miles. God forbid you actually use a truck like a truck and haul things.I understand the tech but I dont see Toyota being reliable. No 300,000 miles anymore. I hope im wrong, but everything I know and my gut says people are going to be very disappointed!
Yeah we'll have to see. Would have been nice to at least just have the V6 available as an option.
V8 with cylinder cut-off.
Yeah that would be cool
Your comments on all the cars you had with turbos and no issues, yes, turbos in cars and suvs are the way to go.
So in say, WRX, a turbo 4 is perfect, but the car weighs 3000 lbs. It is semi aerodynamic. It isn’t asked to pull 6000 lbs and it isn’t asked to haul 1500 lbs.
So take a similar motor, put it in a 4800 lb truck, no areo to speak of, and ask it to haul 1500 lbs and pull 6000 lbs. Your sports car will be in boost when you want it to be, but a truck towing, will be in boost way more often. Point is the turbo and motor will be working much harder in a truck than a car.
The other factor as why people don’t like turbo 4s in trucks, cuz we like to mod our trucks. We like to mod our cars too, but typically we lighten, lower, our cars. But with trucks, we lift, and add bigger wheels and tires, and add more weight with tents, bumpers, racks, etc.
So comparing your history with turbo 4s in cars is not anything close to the same as trucks.
The other thing I hear a lot of is, “turbos have been in diesels for ever and they are reliable”. If you don’t know the difference in gas and diesel, do some research. Diesel engines are simpler lower rev engines.
Keep in mind, these 4 cylinder turbo engines in the new midsized trucks are not just pulled from cars. These are motors built to be in a truck. So you'd think they are more robust. Time will tell like we talked about, but we can assume manufacturers have the weight of the truck and towing capabilities in mind when developing these engine for the truck. Not like they stick in the 4 banger out of an economy car and hope for the best lol
I know they are not the same engines and yes they have been engineered/mod for trucks. Couple of the YT overland builds with the new Taco are running into overheating issues. Course it is the first year of a new platform. I’m sure there will be updates and recalls.
I wish they all would go with a 3.0 inline 6. Just bring back a modern 2JZ lol.
I think what we/they are gonna figure out is they need more displacement naturally and lower boost. Ranger Raptor uses a 3.0 V6 turbo, TRD Pro Taco uses a hybrid, GM uses about the biggest you can make a 4-cylinder. I’m betting Frontier is eventually gonna use the 3.0 V6 turbo out of the Z. Ranger will move away from the 2.3 eco. You already have the option for the 2.7 in the Lariat package.
Its refreshing to see both of you reviewing a vehicle.
You ahould do this more often for the channel.
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Watching the Chevy Colorado and a huge plus IMO is the low RPM turbo sound. Sounds very very cool.
Yeah especially if you ad an air intake. Fun turbo sounds come alive
Once again, I applaud Mary Barra, CEO of GM, and her competitors at Ford for dumping EVs. Tesla can keep this miniscule part of the automotive sales market. It's almost irrelevant. I guess I should be relieved that companies are still producing mid-size gas (and diesel?) cars and trucks; even if they are only four banger turbos. Personally, I won't have one. The 2.7 4 cyl turbo Silverado is in contradiction to itself. I'll take the F-150 2.7 V6 every time. That's a good engine. The 3.5 twin turbo out classes just about everything else. The F-150 PowerBoost saved so many folks from freezing to death in Texas 2 winters ago. The PowerBoost battery/generator powered whole houses. Ford's mid-size Ranger p'up also has a 4 cyl. It's a really good turbo 4 cy like those herel, but I refuse to come down from full size.
GM has not abandoned ICE, but they have also not abandoned EVs. Originally I thought Toyota had the right idea of going all in on Hybrids, but GM is in a great position by keeping the option of customer choice. The Equinox EV just came out alongside the ICE Equinox to join the Blazer EV, and Silverado EV. I like the look of the silverado EV, but think we would be better served if it was scaled down 30% and sized to compete with the maverick
You sound extremely ignorant!
Sounds like someone got dusted by a soccer mom in a Model Y.
The funny thing is here everybody wants something with a turbo in it well not the smart people anyway but people seem to Simply forget we have speed limits!!!! A single cylinder ATV can be the speed limit so the theory of having a turbo instead of a vehicle to give you better take off and faster times on public roads makes no sense for a racetrack for sure not for public roads cuz this doesn't keep people bragging rights it just shows how foolish they are!!!
4 cyl. +5’ bed = trucklette
It is a midsize truck, that’s normal..
@@BrosFOURRSpeed not my definition of a truck.
@@eddiehaskell5578 have you driven one and experienced it? You have to drive one first..
@@BrosFOURRSpeed I’m not in the market for 4 door trucklette suv with a 4 cylinder .
@@eddiehaskell5578 cool. There are people like myself who enjoy a midsize and it works for them..it’s also not an suv, so…
Bad. They’re not diesel 4 cylinder. The gas ones will have more wear and tear and more problems as opposed to v6 engines.
How do you know that?
I like the conversation. Fun. I think towing will shine with the turbo engines. Interesting to see gas mileage though.
I think so too. That low end torque is very useful
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Bad bad bad. There are no plus to a 4cyl turbo at all except more complexities, it will be totalled win the engine wears out bc it will be too pricey to fix and will wear out 40 percent faster. I wouldn't complain if it was turbo 6, and turbo 8 in full size
V6's are just as complex 😂. The 4 cylinder is lighter and has more power than the v6 of old so there is that. Honestly I'd choose that an i6 over a v8.
@@robertopics has less bearing surfaces area, more heat, more pipes, more sensors, more pipes, more heat, more pressure, mor complex, all bad
There are actually more main bearings in an in-line four than there are in a V6
I have a 2024 tacoma TRD off-road the drive ability is so much better then my 3rd generation just like you guys said there all going to 4 cylinder turbos times are changing and you have warranty to I'm totally happy with my tacoma 4 cylinder turbo
I have a taco sport also and a 3rd gen. The ones that haven’t driven the 4th gen have no clue how much better in every aspect the 4th gen is. Except that tiny gas tank on our 4th gen 🤣
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Im currently looking into a 2020+ toyota 4runner or even the Nissan Frontier Pro 4x due to the fact they are V6 engines and should in theory, last a life time.
Only thing u need to do to a V6 truck to increase low end torque, is a simple gear change while keeping the tire size low and a good tune. I'd love to get a 3rd gen tacoma but it's too small for my needs and family. If I were to get 1. It would get 4.88s or 5.29 gears and a OTT tune. It would have lots of low end torque and still be super reliable. That's why I want a V6 4runner
its a joke
Why?
Nope more cost to repair. V6 only!
What info do you have on repair costs?
Hence I will always keep my 21 ZR2 …..
Because?
@@BrosFOURRSpeed I like having the simplicity of the the V6. Easier to work on, I’m not against a 4 cylinder turbo, they are far better then the ones we had in the 80s. For me, even though I’m extremely knowledgeable on auto repair, it’s just easier and cheaper in some cases to keep the V6. The Gov is definitely changing automotive manufacturing in regards to more efficient fuel management and economy. Not always a bad thing, just that so many manufacturers rush to meet that standard and fall short in other areas. Just look at the new tundra issue right now. Not all engines are bad per day, but all under recall. The new Taco now has issues with transmissions both with the standard and auto. In time it always works out, just a ruff go on any new product. There will always be die hard V8 fans including myself but I’m not ignorant to improving on newer designs and smaller displacement. I see how we are going in engineering and know that the common Joe as we say won’t be able to work on his own car. Myself, I still love turning wrenches and maintaining what I have in my fleet. Even though I love my ZR2, I still have a lot of love for my 69 C10.
Small engines, running higher compression. Poor lower end torque, short life. Imagine these super efficient engines built to higher tolerances experiencing torsional stresses in off-road applications.
This would have more lower end torque..turbo 4 cylinders have been around for decades.
@@BrosFOURRSpeed Sure, why not. But the nature of turbos, is they have to run on higher compressions/higher RPM and built to higher tolerances. Only positive for Turbos in non-racing applications is MPG. I prefer to go with higher displacement for my power needs.
@@peterl545 If the engine is built to higher tolerance, then there isn’t an issue. These new turbo engines are built to handle the boost and weight of the trucks + towing. And since they have better low end power, they will mostly operate in lower RPM then the N/A V6 engines