he earned it...in angel season 5 there is an episode in which the jacket is burned so he says to angel" its my second skin, its who I am and its another thing I will never get back" the two slayers he killed practically defined his evilness.
@@marie-henrietteledore3599 All vamps as old as Spike and Angel dress to match the era. Dru's 70s look would have been a dramatic shift from her original look.
@WyattNyte15 yup. they reference it in the angel spinoff series. it gets burned up in a bomb and spike is all upset. angel says "you stripped it off a dead slayer" and spike is like "yeah. it had sentimental value" :)
what is interesting is that day really did come. it was also the day the chip stopped working on buffy. and then they had sex. violent, brutal, painful sex
If Joss & Co. had ANY brains at all..?! They'd have killed off The Gelled Ninny (Angel) and made Spike the love interest/nemesis of Buffy!! (Why bother with a chicken-shit angst ridden coward, when there's a REAL Bad-Ass Master Vampire about?!!) Spike Rules! (Here endeth the rant...)
@@TheHalloweenKing There never should have been an Angel season 1. What was he (Angelus - the *IS* no "Angel!) when all was said & done..? A cowardly pedophile of a vampire, who basically..? existed only to make others pity him. Spike..? fought for all he had. And he never took a single step back... (OK, to be fair - Destiny was a good episode, save for the part where Spike's victory proved empty in the end...)
@Sasukereturns Spike killed 2 slayers, Angel 0. Spike fought for his soul, Angel was cursed with his. Spike was the only one who could fight with Illyria out of any of them. Angel doesnt beat spike in season 1 of angel, beating means getting to staking. Spike got to staking stage with angel in season 5.
Angel lost in season 5, because spike loved him more, remember his words, touch Cordelia again and prepare for the last rematch. Spike was put to fight Ilyria but it was basically his punching bag. Angelus didn't kill a hunter, true, but he was more feared than spike.
I'm not sure. Analize this discourse of Spike. He said that Nikki wanted do die. So you could interpret those words like that their own fight was Nikki begging him to kill her, her death wish.
@Sunil Narayan she did beg for her life, it was confirmed in that Angel episode when the mental patient became a Slayer. She was channeling the 2 slayers Spike killed and said "Please no, I have a son"
@Sasukereturns they only ever had one fight that was decent length and conclusive, ending at a near-staking, and that was mid season 5, and even angel admitted that spike beat him, and wanted "it" more. and angel working for the shanshu propehcy carried through until season 5, it was even talked about in episode 2 of season 5, angel was very concerned that spike may have been the subject of the prophecy and not him.
Spike killed 2 slayers. And he was like a newborn. And Angelus lived for all these yrs. Older than Spike and he never killed a slayer. Obviously be4 he got his soul.
@Sasukereturns angelus overpowered spike back int he past, spike was aboput 100 yrs younger, made sense. the time of these episodes is very diiferent. A souled Angel is nicer (but why is nice so important?), but also self-serving and whining, on a mission of redemption for the shanshu prophecy. spike made his sacrifices for those he loved. spike was always smarter than he made out, angel season1 showed that, angel thinks he got spike cornered, but really he was walking into a trap
Spike was more of a badass back then. He doesn’t even bother to kill Buffy when he gets the chance and he gets multiple chances but doesn’t do it because he wants to toy with her and then she ends up kicking his ass and he runs away.
Yea, but Buffy had the Scooby gang, mainly Giles and WIllow who helped her a lot. I mean, even Xander saved Buffy and literally brought her back to life various times. Without them, she would have died much sooner like Slayers before her. That was the one thing that ruined a slayer, was fighting alone and not fighting strong enough to live or have a life like Buffy. I mean, thats pretty much how Kendra died. Faith only survived because of the scoobies, being in a coma, being in prison, Angel, and then having other slayers activated. But she too would have died had she been the only slayer fighting evil alone.
@alfiejames8 I suppose you mean the last fight where someone gets staked, unless Angel would still be the winner, but you're right about the sappy part at the end. Xander was also pretty good in The Zeppo.
@Smyshey Yeah. But have you seen Angel episode 3 where Spike goes against Angel and Angel beats Spike? And also in season 5 when Angel easily gains the upper hand against Spike, Wesley, Gunn, and Lorne? I certainly have.
@Sasukereturns i mean, when a boxer climbs the ranks and then beats the champ, he becomes the champ. maybe angel beat spike number of times in the past (though we never actually see it), but the last big fight they had, spike was the winner. (also when spike says you wont win this time, and angel says he beat me for first time, throughout the flashbacks in season5 they're talking about times angel beat him by stealing his girl (drusilla) , that kind of thing.
@Sasukereturns i'd say the one who wins the last time is the current winner :) lol, but im just in the spirit here of backing our favorite. we both wrong really, they both just vampires, illyria can crush them both. But really we missing the point, the whole point of the show was to show how one person can change the world, not by brawn, but by heart, passion and sacrifice (best example: xander season 6 finale) :)
@Sasukereturns Which fights? The ones where Spike was still a fledge, or was in a wheel-chair? Angel(us) was a torturer: His very nature opposed a straight fight. From the start, Spike was a rebel, not a copy cat. (Oh & as for "better?" Angel was CURSED with a soul - Spike fought for his.) Angel never once (save in "Destiny") went head on with Spike. Perhaps because he knew he'd lose? (Personally I thought Angelus was was better villain than hero, so?) mind explaining that then..?
Spike beat Angel when his heart was in fight like destiny. Spike never needed to repent that much because he was only there for hunt and thrill. He never cared to make victims suffer like Angel which Angel confirms in season 5 damaged, Spike also had someone that comes for him and save him which was Buffy. She comes for him forcing Xander to give him place to live. And she believed in him when he didn't and that turn him into hero Spike earned his soul and he wanted it because he wanted to be like human again. Angel was cursed with soul because he was monster worst of any Angel made his victims insane like Druscilla killing everyone in her life and then turning her into vampire while Spike did only what he needed to do to survive Angel with soul helped other just to fulfill the prophecy
@Smyshey Let's not forget that Angel wasn't trying to kill Spike either, but he still got the upper hand easily in "In the Dark". Plus, Spike was fueled by his jealousy and vindictiveness towards Angel in their biggest fight. Angel by then was kind of doubting himself since he started working at Wolfram and Hart, so he definitely had the disadvantage. As for the soul thing, Angelus seems stronger than Angel to me. If Spike had no soul, he might have staked Angel had he the chance.
@Sidragrosm Maybe if you saw the fight in "In the Dark", third episode of Angel, you'd see what I'm talking about. Spike didn't stand a chance. He had to run away and come up with a way to just capture Angel because he knew he couldn't beat him. As for the curse, yes Angel had it forced upon him. But it's not as if Angel met Buffy before his curse, anyway.
@Sidragrosm Considering how Angel kicked Spike's ass in every fight they had (except the last, when Spike wanted it more), and how Angel saved the world more than Spike did, I'd say Angel's kind of better. Not that Spike isn't cool, he is. But Angel is the forerunner here, Spike's kind of a copycat.
as spike clearly lays out during said fight, he's really quite different from angel. angel had to have his soul forced on him, and every day was in danger of losing it. spike earned his. that's what makes a champion. angel was always a better villain, so there's no surprise that he bested spike then. but for all his flaws, spike is a better hero.
@alfiejames8 This is the last I'm going to say on the subject. 1) Angelus was a torturer kind of killer, not a fighter, but he was a darn good fighter. Let's not forget how Angelus overpowered Spike in the flashback of the same episode in the video, and could have staked him, but didn't. 2) Angel was cursed with his soul, and soulless Spike is a better person than Angelus, but Angel is nicer and better than souled Spike. 3) Angel seems smarter to me than Spike. Are we done yet?
@alfiejames8 I'll admit, Angel got jealous of Spike. But then again, Spike wasn't the one who went to work for an evil law firm in exchange for his son's happiness, so why wouldn't Angel feel inferior? But the dialogue in "Destiny" even suggests that Angelus beat Spike many times offscreen (Spike: You won't win this time, Angel: He beat me for the first time). So...Spike: 1 Angel: More than 1 Doesn't really matter, but characters are great, let's leave it at that.
Spike mato a 3 cazadoras y estaba por matar a Buffy pero no logro cuando Buffy regreso mal de la muerte que ella estaba débil y que perdió la fuerza el aprovecho ese momento para tratarla mal para luego matarla Spike se sobrepasó con ella que abuso de ella a la fuerza pero Buffy lo detuvo y le dijo que nunca lo Amaría Spike tenía problema con el chip que le pusieron en el celebró el se descontroló demasiado la culpa de que Spike matará a la cazadoras fue idea de Drusilla ella era Mala ella fue quien convirtió a Spike en vampiro y lo convirtió en un Vampiro Malo lo mismo hizo Darla con Ángel Ángel iba a matar a Buffy pero Buffy lo mató a el Cuando los vampiros se portaba y decedian cambiar el Primer Mal los castigaba y los torturaba por desorberdercerlos La profesora Calendar Castigo a Ángel cuando el Regreso de la Muerte y le pidió que se suicidara porque hizo cosas malas y feas en su pasado Ángel había matado a la profesora Calendar pero ella se volvió en un Demonio Poderoso se volvió el Primer Mal el Primer Mal el Demonio más Poderoso que era difícil de derrotar ese demonio pertubaba a los vampiros los castigabas así hizo Drusilla con Spike que lo castigo Drusilla estaba molesta y enojada con Spike porque el no mato a la última Cazadora que era Buffy ella deseo castigarlo de una manera cruel Sesión 6 Buffy tiene problemas con la muerte Willow tiene problemas con la magia Spike tiene problemas con su chip Sesión 7 Batalla Final Buffy sus Amigos y las Cazadoras Nuevas su lucha contra Vampiros lo siervos del Primer Mal el Demonio más poderoso
@alfiejames8 I know I said I wasn't going to say anything more, but... Please, age barely makes a difference with Spike. He killed a slayer just two or three years later. And where are you getting this self-serving stuff about Angel and not Spike? Angel in season two stated how he would no longer work for redemption, but for helping people because its right. Spike went for a soul so he could be with Buffy. And Angel was smart enough to fool everyone into thinking he was evil.
I wonder how I could miss this back then but Buffy is kinda pathetic. Standing there with this whole tough as nails look on her face convincing herself that what Spike says isn't true.
@history account Bad writing, basically. Single vampires should neeever have matched slayers. Making Spike a killer of slayers, plus an actual killer, and then having him reformed without struggle, compared to Faith getting beaten jnto a coma to reform for doing less, is shockingly anti-feminist. It's also just one among many plot holes. Trash.
'Every slayer...has a death wish. Even you.' Ominous, deadly...and oh so true. THIS is why Spike is the badass we love: He knows his enemy...VERY well
"you think we're dancing?"
"...that's all we've ever done"
Dude!!
Spike: The second that happens...I'll sing you a song on why you should go on living.
it's kinda funny how he kills Nikki Wood and then he steals her jacket that will become his signature jacket.
The jacket came fore Nikki's lover, a policeman that died.
he earned it...in angel season 5 there is an episode in which the jacket is burned so he says to angel" its my second skin, its who I am and its another thing I will never get back" the two slayers he killed practically defined his evilness.
I wish they'd show us what Drusilla looked like around this time. I mean, how cool would it be to see her in punk?
It has always been gothic to the present day
She's at home in the crypt watching Space 1999
@@marie-henrietteledore3599 All vamps as old as Spike and Angel dress to match the era. Dru's 70s look would have been a dramatic shift from her original look.
@WyattNyte15 yup. they reference it in the angel spinoff series. it gets burned up in a bomb and spike is all upset. angel says "you stripped it off a dead slayer" and spike is like "yeah. it had sentimental value" :)
I thought his first slayer kill was pretty good of a start but this brought it to a thoughtful conclusion
Spike was awesome
what is interesting is that day really did come. it was also the day the chip stopped working on buffy. and then they had sex. violent, brutal, painful sex
It happened before that. In once more with feeling. She was ready to die, and he was there. To stop her.
So thats where his cool jacket comes from.
Nikki was active as the Slayer for a long while. I wonder how many Big Bads she faced. All we know is that Spike was her last....
LeoP2008 spike said she was well known so he sought her out just like he did Buffy so she must’ve killed a lot of demons
she’s pretty dope. check out the comics
@@RicoDavis and the novel "Blackout"
this is amazing. i'd never seen the whole scene without any cuts
If Joss & Co. had ANY brains at all..?! They'd have killed off The Gelled Ninny (Angel) and made Spike the love interest/nemesis of Buffy!! (Why bother with a chicken-shit angst ridden coward, when there's a REAL Bad-Ass Master Vampire about?!!)
Spike Rules!
(Here endeth the rant...)
But... spike DID become the love interest/nemesis........?
Sidragrosm I have to agree, let David Boreanaz on "Angel" already. I guess, I am helping my friends write a novel. then a movie about people like us.
Spike should’ve been on Angel after season 5.
@@TheHalloweenKing There never should have been an Angel season 1.
What was he (Angelus - the *IS* no "Angel!) when all was said & done..? A cowardly pedophile of a vampire, who basically..? existed only to make others pity him.
Spike..? fought for all he had. And he never took a single step back...
(OK, to be fair - Destiny was a good episode, save for the part where Spike's victory proved empty in the end...)
@waterkeeper511 Not to mention he's fed off the blood of one of the Slayers he killed. That's got to do something to a vamp other than just heal them.
Spike is absolutely right at every point
Love this scene and the arms
@DFTBACleaves also in episode 15 season seven, principal Wood says "nice jacket, where'd you get it?" spike "New York"
@Sasukereturns Spike killed 2 slayers, Angel 0. Spike fought for his soul, Angel was cursed with his. Spike was the only one who could fight with Illyria out of any of them. Angel doesnt beat spike in season 1 of angel, beating means getting to staking. Spike got to staking stage with angel in season 5.
Angel lost in season 5, because spike loved him more, remember his words, touch Cordelia again and prepare for the last rematch.
Spike was put to fight Ilyria but it was basically his punching bag.
Angelus didn't kill a hunter, true, but he was more feared than spike.
Spikes the guy who gets criticized and doubted because he understands himself and others without the nonsense.
They should've shown nikki begging for her life. To continue what spike said in s2, "the last slayer I killed, she begged for life"
"lying" is the more proper term
"if every vampire who said they were at the crucifixion was actually there, it would have looked like woodstock"
I'm not sure. Analize this discourse of Spike. He said that Nikki wanted do die. So you could interpret those words like that their own fight was Nikki begging him to kill her, her death wish.
@Sunil Narayan She had a son, she probably did.
@Sunil Narayan she did beg for her life, it was confirmed in that Angel episode when the mental patient became a Slayer. She was channeling the 2 slayers Spike killed and said "Please no, I have a son"
@Sasukereturns they only ever had one fight that was decent length and conclusive, ending at a near-staking, and that was mid season 5, and even angel admitted that spike beat him, and wanted "it" more. and angel working for the shanshu propehcy carried through until season 5, it was even talked about in episode 2 of season 5, angel was very concerned that spike may have been the subject of the prophecy and not him.
Spike killed 2 slayers. And he was like a newborn. And Angelus lived for all these yrs. Older than Spike and he never killed a slayer. Obviously be4 he got his soul.
Angelus wasn't interested in fighting, just killing
Man, forgot how EVIL he used to be.
@Sasukereturns angelus overpowered spike back int he past, spike was aboput 100 yrs younger, made sense. the time of these episodes is very diiferent. A souled Angel is nicer (but why is nice so important?), but also self-serving and whining, on a mission of redemption for the shanshu prophecy. spike made his sacrifices for those he loved. spike was always smarter than he made out, angel season1 showed that, angel thinks he got spike cornered, but really he was walking into a trap
Dam Spike wen spike torks he really make he's Pont 👿
Spike was more of a badass back then. He doesn’t even bother to kill Buffy when he gets the chance and he gets multiple chances but doesn’t do it because he wants to toy with her and then she ends up kicking his ass and he runs away.
spike look Billy Idol
Spuffy Forever Marsters billy idol stole his look from spike 😉
1:11 to 1:14 - what do you call that move where Spike spins the stick?
My favorite part of this whole exchange is the next 30 seconds of the clip that isn't shown. "It would never be you Spike. You're beneath me"
"The only reason why you lasted as long as you have, is that you've got ties to the world." Well... isn't her son her tie to the world?
Yea, but Buffy had the Scooby gang, mainly Giles and WIllow who helped her a lot. I mean, even Xander saved Buffy and literally brought her back to life various times. Without them, she would have died much sooner like Slayers before her. That was the one thing that ruined a slayer, was fighting alone and not fighting strong enough to live or have a life like Buffy. I mean, thats pretty much how Kendra died. Faith only survived because of the scoobies, being in a coma, being in prison, Angel, and then having other slayers activated. But she too would have died had she been the only slayer fighting evil alone.
@@jpierce8148 Don't forget Riley. He saved Buffy at the beginning of this ep from a vampire who was about to finish her off with her own stake.
@alfiejames8
I suppose you mean the last fight where someone gets staked, unless Angel would still be the winner, but you're right about the sappy part at the end. Xander was also pretty good in The Zeppo.
@Smyshey
Yeah. But have you seen Angel episode 3 where Spike goes against Angel and Angel beats Spike? And also in season 5 when Angel easily gains the upper hand against Spike, Wesley, Gunn, and Lorne? I certainly have.
@Sasukereturns i mean, when a boxer climbs the ranks and then beats the champ, he becomes the champ. maybe angel beat spike number of times in the past (though we never actually see it), but the last big fight they had, spike was the winner. (also when spike says you wont win this time, and angel says he beat me for first time, throughout the flashbacks in season5 they're talking about times angel beat him by stealing his girl (drusilla) , that kind of thing.
I wonder if Spike was on drugs during this fight? It seems likely
Is Spike a pusher too? I feel like he is missing from a 2009 Chris Evans movie. He is literally reading Buffy's mind in the scene.
why they dont just do another serie!!!
@Sasukereturns i'd say the one who wins the last time is the current winner :)
lol, but im just in the spirit here of backing our favorite. we both wrong really, they both just vampires, illyria can crush them both. But really we missing the point, the whole point of the show was to show how one person can change the world, not by brawn, but by heart, passion and sacrifice (best example: xander season 6 finale) :)
@aleahchim01 I didn't know if you'd gotten to that bit of Season 6 yet. XD
Have you ever seen it?
@TheDevonnMarieShow Spike was likely just saying that to intimidate Buffy.
No. He was talking about the Chinese slayer.
@@martineshamzin7535 I can't even remember what the original question was...
it was Spike: ''the slayer begged me for her life'' before killing her
@Sasukereturns Which fights? The ones where Spike was still a fledge, or was in a wheel-chair? Angel(us) was a torturer: His very nature opposed a straight fight. From the start, Spike was a rebel, not a copy cat. (Oh & as for "better?" Angel was CURSED with a soul - Spike fought for his.) Angel never once (save in "Destiny") went head on with Spike. Perhaps because he knew he'd lose? (Personally I thought Angelus was was better villain than hero, so?) mind explaining that then..?
Angel faced spike in 1x03, where he basically beats him, he lost in season 5 because he had lost faith.
I can't remember if I have or not but I read it somewhere xD
@Sidragrosm
K.
P.S. He had already gotten his soul by then, and he still beat Spike.
Spike beat Angel when his heart was in fight like destiny.
Spike never needed to repent that much because he was only there for hunt and thrill. He never cared to make victims suffer like Angel which Angel confirms in season 5 damaged, Spike also had someone that comes for him and save him which was Buffy. She comes for him forcing Xander to give him place to live. And she believed in him when he didn't and that turn him into hero
Spike earned his soul and he wanted it because he wanted to be like human again.
Angel was cursed with soul because he was monster worst of any
Angel made his victims insane like Druscilla killing everyone in her life and then turning her into vampire while Spike did only what he needed to do to survive
Angel with soul helped other just to fulfill the prophecy
@alfiejames8
Lol, I don't know about the last part...
2:11 hehehehehehe
@Smyshey
Let's not forget that Angel wasn't trying to kill Spike either, but he still got the upper hand easily in "In the Dark". Plus, Spike was fueled by his jealousy and vindictiveness towards Angel in their biggest fight. Angel by then was kind of doubting himself since he started working at Wolfram and Hart, so he definitely had the disadvantage. As for the soul thing, Angelus seems stronger than Angel to me. If Spike had no soul, he might have staked Angel had he the chance.
@Sidragrosm
Maybe if you saw the fight in "In the Dark", third episode of Angel, you'd see what I'm talking about. Spike didn't stand a chance. He had to run away and come up with a way to just capture Angel because he knew he couldn't beat him. As for the curse, yes Angel had it forced upon him. But it's not as if Angel met Buffy before his curse, anyway.
@Sidragrosm
Considering how Angel kicked Spike's ass in every fight they had (except the last, when Spike wanted it more), and how Angel saved the world more than Spike did, I'd say Angel's kind of better. Not that Spike isn't cool, he is. But Angel is the forerunner here, Spike's kind of a copycat.
as spike clearly lays out during said fight, he's really quite different from angel. angel had to have his soul forced on him, and every day was in danger of losing it. spike earned his. that's what makes a champion. angel was always a better villain, so there's no surprise that he bested spike then. but for all his flaws, spike is a better hero.
Spike is better because Spike was turning good without a soul. Angel was forced into goodness through a curse. That is why spike wins.
@aleahchim01 Spike does the Billy Idol look better than Billy Idol. =D
I know what Spike reminded me of a hyena
@alfiejames8
This is the last I'm going to say on the subject.
1) Angelus was a torturer kind of killer, not a fighter, but he was a darn good fighter. Let's not forget how Angelus overpowered Spike in the flashback of the same episode in the video, and could have staked him, but didn't.
2) Angel was cursed with his soul, and soulless Spike is a better person than Angelus, but Angel is nicer and better than souled Spike.
3) Angel seems smarter to me than Spike.
Are we done yet?
@alfiejames8
I'll admit, Angel got jealous of Spike. But then again, Spike wasn't the one who went to work for an evil law firm in exchange for his son's happiness, so why wouldn't Angel feel inferior? But the dialogue in "Destiny" even suggests that Angelus beat Spike many times offscreen (Spike: You won't win this time, Angel: He beat me for the first time). So...Spike: 1 Angel: More than 1
Doesn't really matter, but characters are great, let's leave it at that.
@2happy4emo Billy Idol got this look from Spike =D
Spike mato a 3 cazadoras y estaba por matar a Buffy pero no logro cuando Buffy regreso mal de la muerte que ella estaba débil y que perdió la fuerza el aprovecho ese momento para tratarla mal para luego matarla Spike se sobrepasó con ella que abuso de ella a la fuerza pero Buffy lo detuvo y le dijo que nunca lo Amaría Spike tenía problema con el chip que le pusieron en el celebró el se descontroló demasiado la culpa de que Spike matará a la cazadoras fue idea de Drusilla ella era Mala ella fue quien convirtió a Spike en vampiro y lo convirtió en un Vampiro Malo lo mismo hizo Darla con Ángel Ángel iba a matar a Buffy pero Buffy lo mató a el
Cuando los vampiros se portaba y decedian cambiar el Primer Mal los castigaba y los torturaba por desorberdercerlos La profesora Calendar Castigo a Ángel cuando el Regreso de la Muerte y le pidió que se suicidara porque hizo cosas malas y feas en su pasado Ángel había matado a la profesora Calendar pero ella se volvió en un Demonio Poderoso se volvió el Primer Mal el Primer Mal el Demonio más Poderoso que era difícil de derrotar ese demonio pertubaba a los vampiros los castigabas así hizo Drusilla con Spike que lo castigo Drusilla estaba molesta y enojada con Spike porque el no mato a la última Cazadora que era Buffy ella deseo castigarlo de una manera cruel
Sesión 6 Buffy tiene problemas con la muerte
Willow tiene problemas con la magia
Spike tiene problemas con su chip
Sesión 7 Batalla Final Buffy sus Amigos y las Cazadoras Nuevas su lucha contra Vampiros lo siervos del Primer Mal el Demonio más poderoso
@alfiejames8
I know I said I wasn't going to say anything more, but...
Please, age barely makes a difference with Spike. He killed a slayer just two or three years later. And where are you getting this self-serving stuff about Angel and not Spike? Angel in season two stated how he would no longer work for redemption, but for helping people because its right. Spike went for a soul so he could be with Buffy. And Angel was smart enough to fool everyone into thinking he was evil.
spike looks like morrissey with white hair aha
@Sidragrosm
Too bad Angelus is much better than Spike or you might have had a point.
I wonder how I could miss this back then but Buffy is kinda pathetic. Standing there with this whole tough as nails look on her face convincing herself that what Spike says isn't true.
Spike was too overpowered and unbelievable. Whyw ere slayers so weak in Buffy? Makes no sense. Boring - get Spike off the show, please. Thanks.
cause if spike wanted to, he could kill Buffy
@history account Bad writing, basically. Single vampires should neeever have matched slayers. Making Spike a killer of slayers, plus an actual killer, and then having him reformed without struggle, compared to Faith getting beaten jnto a coma to reform for doing less, is shockingly anti-feminist. It's also just one among many plot holes. Trash.
@@Music1222 porcodio
she has really really cool fighting move