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No matter how many callers I've heard defend slavery or try and respin the verses, I always cringe and audibly groan at what religion does to the human brain.
nature may have posterior holes be posterior holes , yet only religion like a mental virus can make empathic species support cruelty
@@sammur1977 "different definitions of Slavery". Let me guess, your definition and the rest of the World's definition.
@@sammur1977 my guy, unless you're ironic, which I hope, there are indeed different kinds of slavery, and the most common trait of them all is that they're all horribly immoral! Slavery was, it seems, an inevitable part of socio-economical development of most civilizations, so from a historical POV you can understand why it was included in early laws, and how it evolved, gradually becoming more structured and complex, as the society grew and developed more advanced economy. HOWEVER there is zero reason not to call it out, if some people in modern day argue, that society should follow the laws written back then. And argue that those laws are supernatural, perfect and inerrant. They don't propose slavery in particular (usually), but slavery IS in the book they promote, so what's the reason to trust anything from there? None, just as there is no reason to use Ptolemey's navigational maps or ancient Roman medical instructions, even though there might be some true facts there. We have advanced way further.
@@sammur1977 that still dont excuse trying to play word games and change what the slavery x supposed 'holy' book promoted where
as vile as the classic colonial empires slavery or the american south slavery was that still was slightly lees vile slavery then the slavery the abrahamic books defends in the name of their insecure sadistic god
@@sammur1977 Pick a definition. Then... convince us of it's morality. OK?
"I dont really understand..." is about the only reasonable thing this caller said. Talk about mental gymnastics.
Shrimp?
Bad.
Human slavery?
No problem.
Really glad 'god' got his priorities right.
Well when your home is the universe there's lots of interstellar radiation. Probably gave god some drain bramage.
The whole shrimp bad thing is probably more likely related to someone or quite possibly a larger group of people being highly allergic to shellfish at the time. That would make far more sense to why this was a thing.
@@corywhitebread6519 I've often said that. A bunch of superstitious people having an allergic reaction to eating shellfish would likely see that as a sign that God prohibits eating it.
@@corywhitebread6519 that's one possibility. I always thought someone may have gotten food poisoning then thought "god punished us! We must not supposed to eat that." Then someone else said "nonsense." Then proceeded to eat from the same meal. Then they got sick and said "you are right! Praise God!" Then proceeded to worship their equivalent of our modern day porcelain god drunks worship the next day. 😁
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The people who humiliate and cross-dressed their children are going to talk about brain damage😂
"You shall have no other gods before me", god admits there are other gods. You just aren't allowed to worship them. 😂
You could even say: worship them MORE than God.
But a little worship might be allowved...
A "fun fact", the early Israelites were polytheists that transitioned to monotheism. And the first four commandments were there to solidify the transition. The older polytheistic religion had gods such as Baal, Asherah, Moloch, Chemosh, Dagon, Nabu (for Dr. Fate fans), etc. And interestingly enough, these gods are mentioned in the Bible. Most of the mention is to stress that Yahweh is stronger than these.
But a story in 2 Kings 3:26-27 actually demonstrates how the Israelites were driven back when the Moabite king sacrificed his son to Chemosh, demonstrating a win against the Israelite god.
A good source for a lot of this info is Dr. Dan McClellan, who's actually a "Christian" (Mormon). But he's a Biblical scholar.
The Lord did not want His people to give their hearts, souls, and minds to anything ahead of Him. He warned them that wealth, friends, and those they married could distract them from focusing on Him.
Grace & blessings 😇
@@quecee Sharing, by your (imagined) leave.
@@PeterBornAgain Did you know that the function of the first four commandments in the Bible was to solidify the Israelite transition to monotheism? So they established exclusivity, countered syncretism, centralized the worship to the Jerusalem temples, and strengthened the idea of a special covenant between god and his "chosen" people.
Of course Christianity upended the original old testament idea of covenant to say, "oh no, you don't need to be part of the tribe, you can be anyone, just believe." This was a very important component of the spread of Christianity over Judaism.
The scariest part of all this is that individuals who share this caller's belief are in the majority. And the vote based on those beliefs
Is my understanding that christians are no longer a majority, even in the deeply dysfunctional U.S. In more civilised socially advanced countries, they’re generally a small minority. Around the world, their numbers are very much those of a minority cult.
Nowhere in the world are christians the majority of the population. Nowhere in the socially advanced, civilised world can anybody vote based on their religious beliefs.
Christian: "my interpretation of the Bible says that slavery is prohibited and immoral"
Atheist: "except the Bible clearly says that slavery is allowed"
Christian: "who are you going to believe, me or the Bible?"
"who are you going to believe, me or the Bible?" haha How about neither one. They are both lame.
Ikr? 😂 Doesn't the buybull say that you shouldn't trust men who speak on behalf of god? So interpretation isn't allowed. The word of "god" is very literal and anyone who tries to interpret it differently, isn't trustworthy. So, do not trust priests! 😄
@@einienj3281 The buybull actually says that one is simple if they believe every word (Proverbs 14:15) This verse always cracks me up, because it is like the writers were trolling everyone.
@@Jebus_Anti-theist 😄 oh yeah, the "you are Stoopid if you don't believe what is written in this book".. gotta admire the ancient troll who came up with it 😄
According to "Christians" like JimCastleberry/Edith, without god, all the immoral things would be possible. And in this world, all the immoral things are possible.
So he actually proved that his god doesn't exist!
The obtuseness and mental gymnastics this dude is going through to defend this BS is amazing
Atheism doesn't require evidence it doesn't require critical thinking it doesn't even require thinking matter of fact it doesn't even require having a brain
If you replace the brain of somebody who believes in God with a rock and do the same thing with an atheist you end up with two atheists because neither one of them would have the ability or willingness to accept God
To me, it’s stupid, how they act like a God really said this, and not ancient man that was superstitious and believed in ghosts and witches. Why couldn’t the first commandment be thou shall not hurt little children. Instead of being selfish, and stating what he supposedly said.
Great point.
At the time of writing, the Israelites were perfectly familiar with child sacrifice. The readiness of Abraham to sacrifice Isaac is evidence of that.
Also, God punished David and Bathsheba by killing their son.
What's stupid is cross-dressing and mutilating your children because of your faith-based belief but atheist humanists do it all the time
_"Actually..."_ is his preface for: "I'm ignorant AF and I'm going to prove it now to y'all...."
i'm still waiting for the "destroy" part ...
And you're already 17:37 into the video 😂
The interesting thing about the defense of the biblical condoning of slavery is that it illustrates a far more crushing problem. Let's say contemporary Christians are correct in their interpretations. It took thousands of years for that `revelation.` The entire Abolitionist movement didn't begin in Europe until the industrial revolution. If that many people, can get it that wrong, for that long, then even if the bible `were` the divine revelation of a god, it's worthless. One would think a god as described by Christianity would get that.
That's not true. William the Conqueror outlawed slavery in England shortly after 1066 and banned trafficking in slaves abroad.
@@sammur1977 And yet, for thousands of years it was interpreted as condoning and regulating slavery. Not even 200 years ago as a senator on the floor of the US senate:
_Let the gentleman go to Revelation to learn the decree of God. let him go to the Bible. I said that slavery was sanctioned in the Bible, authorized, regulated, and recognized from Genesis to Revelation. Slavery existed then in the earliest ages, and among the chosen people of God; and in Revelation we are told that it shall exist till the end of time shall come. You find it in the Old and New Testaments - in the prophecies, psalms, and the epistles of Paul; you find it recognized - sanctioned everywhere_ Jefferson Davis
He went on to be the first president of the American confederacy, and tipped off a war that killed 700k soldiers. So, It's not like he was alone. So what happened? The book didn't change right? I guess up until about the industrial revolution, everyone just had flawed consciousness.
“It was obvious”. Yeah, that’s why there was never slavery again after Exodus…
My wife and I regard ourselves as enormously fortunate to spend most our lives in socially advanced, strongly secular nations where we rarely encounter the warped, indoctrinated thinking of the average US American religious crazy. We haven’t had to travel to the US since 2015 and have no plans ever to return. That’s a lovely thought.
@@sammur1977 I use the term ‘my wife’ in the sense of her being the woman to whom I’m married, exactly in the same way that she might refer to me as ‘my wife’. Naturally, it implies no sense of ownership. Similarly, we refer to our young daughters as ‘our daughters’ despite their in no way being our property in any sense. They are, of course, our responsibility. Clearly you are unaware that Northern European forenames ending in ‘a’ are feminine. The idea of either of us ever “belonging” to a man is entirely ridiculous.
@@sammur1977 it’s a safe bet that nobody has ever accused you of being remotely bright. As explained, neither of us has any sexual interest in men. If either of us wanted to be with another woman, then that would be our free choice. From the complaints we hear from our hetero girlfriends, the average man is completely clueless about a woman’s body or how to pleasure them sexually. We’re never going to be in a position to be made pregnant by a man, accidentally or otherwise. For us, sex is entirely for pleasure and IVF is for procreation. We’re each currently pregnant with our second child. Do you have a point that you’re trying to make?
@@sammur1977 clearly, nobody could ever accuse you of being remotely bright. Were you literate, it would have been abundantly clear from my earlier comments that I’m not a man and we’re a same sex couple with absolutely no sexual interest in men. We know from our hetero girlfriends that the average man has little if any understanding of a woman’s body and is incapable of properly satisfying a woman. Were either of us to consider another partner, it would be a woman, certainly not a man. We enjoy sex entirely for pleasure, using IVF for procreation. Your deep ignorance makes it unclear exactly what point you’re desperately trying to make.
When a person defines their set of values by what they think their God wants, critical thinking is in full stop mode.
Braaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiinwashed
Atheist to minister definitely the most brainwashed people on the face of the earth. All you have to do is look at their mutilated sons wearing dresses to understand that
"I fought the law and the law won" Jesus
When the bible mentions punishments, it usually calls for the death penalty for even minor "crimes". When it mentions that a slave owner that beats their slave into an immediate death is to be "punished" it does *not* mention the death penalty. It doesn't even mention a fine, as it does for those very few "crimes" that do not warrant the death penalty.
The "punishment" must thus be a slap on the wrist.
Exodus 21 does mention punishments for harming a slave. For a death within two days, it says the slave can be avenged, though it's not clear what that means. And later, hurting a slave can result in the slave being set free, but more than likely this only applies to indentured slaves.
@@quecee That law likely only applies to male indentured hebrews that haven't been "incentivized" into staying with their master by the master holding their family hostage.
But, yes, the bible is usually very clear about the punishments deserved for most crimes: Death. It loves the death penalty so much it gleefully calls for it for each and every minor "crime", excluding rape (Pay the father a fine and marry the victim forever) and slave murder.
When the punishment is not death, a fine is usually mentioned. Again, not in the case of an immediate death via slave-beating.
I'm left to wonder what "will be avenged" means when the law those people wrote went well and truly out of their way to dehumanize the slave, going so far as to make different laws for slaves, women and other property than for free men.
@@Arkloyd Yes. I mentioned that it's probably applicable to indentured servants, which means that they were Hebrew.
And if avenging the slave's death is merited because the death was within two days, a family member could seek justice or compensation, which could include fines or whatever was allowed for at that time. More than likely, specific punishments were likely codified.
And again, this is probably just for Israelite slaves as foreign slaves would have had very little rights. But even the indentured slaves were considered "property", which makes it immoral, despite what apologists try to say.
Keep the sabbath holy is as sinful as murder. And collecting sticks on sabbath is enough for instant stoning to death.
And the Tenth Commandment - also on the same level - is envying your neighbour belongings. JUST THE THOUGHT. Also punishable by stoning, apparently.
And the Seven Deadly Sins (which punishments here?) are all mere emotions, emotions we all have, that we even need, and so more or less harmless when kept under check.
How 2000 years ago you came to children without lust? How can you defend yourself without anger?
My impression: The goal is to make the range of sins so broad, so vague, that ANYONE is a sinner.
And that means ANYone needs the church constantly to be told that God forgives you your sins - but as you cannot exist in a real world without these properties, you are a lifelong customer (and payer..)
What is interesting is that I do not see any attempts in the Bible to help you learn to control these vices. A responsible father, esp. one that is all-knowing, should have no problem to coach you efficiently.
@@quecee Don't forget how sexist those indentured servitude laws were, as israelite females were not freed after seven years.
I guess if a father can't make his money on a bride payment, he'll get his money from a slave master's payment. Either way someone's paying for a sexual -victim- "partner"
It's apparently impossible to defend Christianity without being horribly dishonest.
The part in the first commandment where it reminds them of the coming out of Egypt story does not remotely imply that god has an issue with slavery. It's just that god saying "remember I got you out of there? You owe me." In fact, it get's really close to explicitely stating "you're mine now" What's more, even if you pretend it has an issue with slavery, other parts of the bible make it clear that this only applies to some forms of slavery and only amongst themselves. This caller is just dishonest, mostly with himself...
A book that claims to be a moral guide that can be used to defend two opposing sides of a moral position doesn’t seem all that useful.
God is obviously a people pleaser, he agree with every Christian about what he's like.
there is zero evidence to syggest the Egytpians ever had herbew slaves, so his point is invalid
And Canaan was Egyptian territory ar the time in history.
So escaped Egypt to Egypt.
The movie The Mummy with Brendon Frasier confirms it is true
In the first commandment, God recognizes that the Israelites had suffered under slavery and that they should be thankful to God for specifically releasing the Iraelites only from slavery. God goes on to tell the Israelites that they should not enslave other Israelites, but anyone from other nations are fair game. God then provides quite explicit instructions as to how slaves should be bought, how they are owned as chattels, how they can be inherited and how a slave master should punish them. God also instructs all slaves to obey their masters, without question. *** This is not a message for mankind.***
@@sammur1977 Making that claim that slavery in the time of the Bible, was nothing more than an indentured servant is an apologist's interpretation and is unfounded.
God commanded the destruction of the Canaanites, every man, woman and child, but the young virgin girls could be kept as slaves. There was no debt involved. Slaves were property, to be bought and sold. They had no free will and were only allowed to exist for the demands of their masters, or face severe punishment. Their offspring became property of the slave owner and the slave owner's slaves would be inherited by his descendants.
@@sammur1977 Slavery in the American South was modeled and justified explicitly according the Bible and the words of God.
@@sammur1977 People were enslaved for many reasons other than debt. The Romans of the time would overpower, capture and enslave any individual that they chose. That individual was often sent to the area to face powerful, overarmed gladiators, or were torn to shreds by wild animals, such as lions and tigers, purely for entertainment of the Roman masses.
Consider also that Jimedith states that without God, all things are permissible. Why the absence of God would obligate us to permit everything is never explained. After all, Jimedith says it like it's a bad thing. Why would that be, IF God's existence were the ONLY valid reason to forbid certain actions? Again, a question thoughtless Jimedith is clearly too scared to even consider!
That’s rich Pauliar, considering you told me no moral harm ever came from an action including child grape. Without an objective moral ontology (God) the moral values of actions aren’t mind-independent, objectively. Instead just subjective meanings from a persons beliefs. Go ahead, show how objective moral ontology is wrong according to atheism.
Jimedith sock puppet Deflectin' Damon demonstrates yet again that in his moral code, bearing false witness against others is a virtue!
@@damonkenny7818 Damon, you're just a lying ass-wipe.
Get a life and try top grow up. Stop acting like a stupid toddler...
If YOU are going to claim anyone said something, then show their ACTUAL WORDS.
Failure to do so, will be proof that you are a liar a troll, and f**king mental midget...
@@damonkenny7818 IOW, the ONLY reason to be against child abuse is that God doesn't care for it. Never mind the child, who cares about the child. It's only God's opinion that matters according to you. Lying sociopath, I am your moral superior. I wish that was an actual achievement rather than the bare minimum of human decency.
@@amtlpaul Liar, how am I Jim, and how did I bear a false witness? Paulair you told me no moral harm ever came from an action, including child grape.
What's wrong with shrimps ??
BBQ Shrimp
Marinate them in some honey and bourbon - done on the BBQ, oooh yeah! Hell, I'll even use pages of the Bible to light the BBQ.
God gets a diarrhea eating shrimp.
The mere fact you have to have this conversation......
Cleveland? Is that you?
Taking the Hebrews out of slavery, if it happened, doesn't mean god thinks slavery is a sin.
@@sammur1977
all this shows is the fact that the bible contradicts it's self, Kidnapping is wrong but slavery is ok?. There are so many verses that claims it's ok to keep slaves as sex objects as well, by Gods orders. How does that stand up with you?. Why would a God have anyone killed because they did what he ordered them to do?.
My head almost exploded when he equivocated slavery with divorce.
oh, and they were never in Egypt
That God created other Gods for reasons....
And that you are not to worship these other Gods..
Makes sense 🤪
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Only man creates gods.
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WOW....
Exodus 20:10 mentions slaves are also not to work on the Sabbath and 20:17 mentions slaves cannot be coveted, if the caller just kept reading he would see that God is okay with the Israelites owning slaves.
Just because somebody doesn't want to be a slave doesn't mean they are against owning other people has slaves. I don't see why something that obvious is so hard to understand.
The first commandment is: I AM GOD
that's not a commandment, that's a statement. It is "you shall have no other god before me"
This guy makes himself look foolish
Jimedith sock puppet Deflectin' Damon agrees with his puppet master: there is no good reason to care about people. The ONLY reason to refrain from treating others badly is 'God', according to Jimedith/ Deflectin' Damon.
Liar, there’s plenty of good reasons to care about people. 10,000+ deflecting comments from Pauliar trolling me. I got sick of listening him argue that no moral harm has ever came from an action. Including child grape. Now say thank you to me, for educating you.
@@damonkenny7818, then you lied when you said that God is the only possible reason, didn't you,, Sock Puppet?
@@amtlpaul Still no quote from Damonkey that you said ANY of the things that he lies and claims you said.
I guess it's impossible to provide evidence for his lies.
@@quecee How do you know what Pauliar didn’t say (as you claim)? You have no quote. You call my quote no quote. Troll!
The 🤡 Damon demands quotes of me not saying things. This sock puppet is an absurd nihilist. Coming out of his mouth, his words deny that anything actually means anything.
The bible condones slavery. These callers failed to deconstruct this book properly. If you look at history, you will find that slavery was considered morally acceptable back then. Look at rome and the gladiator games that used slaves and countless other accounts of history. These people simply refuse to acknowledge that morals are not objective and are in fact subjective to change.
and a nasty detail is also how abrahamic slavery is worse then most other slavery in history , simply for the fact old gods religions and mythology never tryeed to paint it as anything 'good' just something that could be done
while abrahamic religion paints it as 'good' aslong its to the abrahamic god
You are wrong, read exodus 21
@@francoiskleingeld6194 ye right , sorry but it doess as it goes into detail how sadistic you can be to slaves , the prices for them and declares slaves should obey their owners even the cruel ones
This caller was such a scatter-brain .
You can prove anything you want with the bible.
Nope ... Commandment 1 says nothing whatsoever about slavery, and you have to be desperate or dishonest to spin that yarn!
Good grief. Some Christians will make any pathetic argument to salvage the goodness of their god.
What's wrong with eating shrimps???
Eating too much shrimp makes you....shellfish....I'll see myself out....
@@jonclark8252 "Hey Costanza! the sea called, they're running out of shrimp"
Slavery -- as practiced in every known civilization -- was and is PROFITABLE! Regardless of how powerful the god of the bible is claimed to be, profit is the #1 issue that a wise deity will leave strictly alone.
That tells me two things: MEN invented and wrote the words of "god" and MEN were as conscious of a mainstay of their culture's economy as they were of the morals they'd been commanded to follow.
Criticizing slavery was poking the bear -- a very large and irritable bear. And there was no guarantee that this new and struggling religion called "Christianity" would triumph if challenged to a duel to the "death" by slavery advocates -- pretty much everyone who wasn't a slave!
Best to let sleeping bears lie and revisit the issue at a later date.
The first commandment demands What of christians?
It's interesting to hear about the religious problems (like slavery) but they are internal to those religions. Each religion needs to agree on their god's intended meaning then come to atheists & show the solid basis for the position they now hold unanimously. Thanks in advance 😉
Don = 🐐
Really? Seems like all he can do is derail Tracy's point before she is done making it over and over lol
No wonder they ran out of time, this guy is 4 minutes in and hasn't gotten to his question
Evangelicals will read this, What I can't understand is, ALL RELIGIONS ON EARTH are man made, literally thousands! Why is Christianity exempt?
Making country southern folks look and sound slow!!
dishonest F
I wish the hosts would not interrupt each other's point. It's not respectful, it's confusing to a caller, and for me as a listener trying to follow the different points people are making it's just confusing.
I know it's difficult to be a "co-questioner," and I've heard both these hosts offer convincing and cogent arguments, but parts of this were a little hard to take.
After listening to dozens of hours of these shows, I have a good idea about the major lines of argument for someone who has not heard good evidence for a God, and I'm very grateful to the people who present this show and those who act as hosts.
What I focus on now is: what are the best ways of communicating with people who have significantly different views of reality than you do. I think this is a crucial question especially at this time in the history of the US. And I think that simply dismissing people, making fun of them or their beliefs, using ad hominem, suggesting that you are always rational and they simply aren't, are all excellent ways to assure that no one is going to change their mind, and that the comments section is going to be primarily people saying variants of: boy are they stupid, that's the problem, they're just dumb, dishonest, irrational, and it's a good thing that non-theists aren't like that. Trying to communicate with any of Them is a waste of time.
Just another caller being willfully obtuse in order to defend immorality.
It bothers me that she always finds the need to explain to co-hosts what they actually meant or was thinking. Jesus fukin christ let them speak😂🤦🏽♂️
That’s a major problem with this channel. I would prefer if they let the callers make their point, then go back over them. Unfortunately, many callers aren’t well organized, and a lot of callers just use the opportunity to preach. And then there are those control freak callers who say “Yes, I have point but first I want to say this..”. Or “First, I have a question…”.
God freed the Israelites, not their slaves.
The caller purposely being evasive and not staying on topic.
Holy book of God. Holy book of Lies.
I love The Atheist Experience but please please stop talking over each other, it detracts from the arguments and is really annoying!
You can tell Don was getting impatient and frustrated by the caller's level of disconnect.
@@cariboocustomwoodworks6528this clip is from 9 years ago, that’s far less common now than it used to be in my experience
GOD IN THE UNHOLY BIBLE instructs how to buy and sell men, women and even children as slaves (personal property). Even how to own slaves for life and passing your male/female slaves to your children as inherited property. IT'S EVIL.
Leviticus 25:44-46
44 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
@@sammur1977 Humans must have certain fundamental rights when it comes to labor.
-- The right to be compensated for the labor.... usually with fiat currency.
--- The right to choose who they preform labor for.
--- The right to end their service within a reasonable time frame. In most cases this means at any time, but there are exceptions depending on the labor being performed and/or terms agreement (contract).
Some, but not all forms of slavery violate all three of these basic rights. When - a slave cannot choose who they work for, a slave will not be paid for their labor (providing food and a bed is not proper compensation), and a slave cannot choose to stop being a slave.
@@sammur1977 That verse commanding kidnappers be put death is interesting. Many readers reasonably see it contradicting what the God says after reading and contemplating other passages in the Bible. There are many passages that contradict each other. The passage below includes the subject of forced labor, slaves/servants, and even "bearing false witness". When you read it, I think you'll see other problems I haven't brought up.
Deuteronomy 20:10-17
10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace.
11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you.
12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it.
14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies.
15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
17 Completely destroy them! --the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. As the Lord your God has commanded you.
I often wonder if Christisans just don't know or just don't care how badly you can beat someone and yet they'll survive for weeks before dying.
A slave btw is written in terms of that days influence and slave to them was equal to employee given a job that must be obeyed by there boss. Master or boss tells what the employee to do and such is a slave. Slavery in or present day is looked at unacceptable because we understand it as being horrific and in that day is was a way of life to pay your bills if there is no jobs for a man to provide for his wife and kids being a slave was acceptable. It wasn’t tarnished as it is today.
Wrong.
Leviticus 25:6 "you, your male and female slaves, your hired and your bound laborers who live with you".
Leviticus 25:44-46 "The Lord spoke to Moses...“Speak to the Israelites and say to them":
"As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you and from their families who are with you who have been born in your land; they may be your property. You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness."
And can you beat your employee today as long as he doesn't die within a day or two?
Atheist please if you ever come across any Christian that states any commandment other then what was actually the first then teach them were there wrong and show them they need to study.I’m a Christian that actually studies and the first commandment was “be fruitful and multiply “?so that was man’s first command written in genesis. It’s the 6th day creation were he created man and made them male and female and did so and being fruitful and multiply is his will being done.
When we see a christian state anything about commendments (or any other form of preaching), we have much better things to say than "study the bible better"...
Well, as a Christian, I don't usually debate atheist. But when I do, I realize that they know WAY more about the Bible than I do. 😂
The xtian gh0d told the first lie as well. That was the lie that they would die on the same day that they ate the fruit. The snake was correct. Excusionists will try to ad hoc rescue this, and come up with all sorts of dishonest ways to explain how this was not a lie. It is fun to watch them make fools of themselves.
There is a God? -- prove it. It is only in your head.
No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money. -- Matthew 6:24
Can't you just have a dotted line to god?
And if you can only have one master and for you the master is god, then are you the "master of your domain"?
Plenty of mega rich churches and wealthy pastors in the USA would differ from that.
No one can serve two masters, i don't know, but one easiely can serve no masters
I serve neither.
But at least we know money is a real thing.
Funny, because that flies in the face of much Evangelical Christianity today.
Atheists hate the truth (Jesus Christ) but the truth lives on, and he will never go away. Why do atheists hate the truth because he tells us we are sinners in need of God's Grace and mercy. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Jesus Christ is our only hope of salvation. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
What's your evidence that Jesus existed and had everything we say about him ?
Just because i make a story about Julius Caesar having superpowers and that we have other sources than my book that Julius Caesar exists doesn't proves Julius Caesar actually had those powers
And another question, how do you know Islam is false as it's not possible that both Christianity and Islam to be both correct ?
Ah yes. The classic false dilemma fallacy, a.k.a. false dichotomy. Either you love gh0d and Jesus, or you hate gh0d and Jesus. Jesus himself used this fallacy when he said "You are with me or against me" as did George W. Bush, lol. The trolls come and go, but their dumb arguments and stupid assertions never change. They have nothing but fallacies to employ. Sad.
@@quentind1924 Faith and divine revelation/inspiration. Just like the fact that you believe if you breathe in air you will live.
@@paulgemme6056 Okay so if you say faith then you have no proof. So stop trying to convert us if you know that you have no proof
@@Jebus_Anti-theist Unbelievers come and go and when they end up in the same place as the man in the book of Luke chapter sixteen, they discover they have been duped by the liar and the father of lies.
Remember, God demonstrated His GREAT
L O V E for YOU by means of the Cross! ✝️
This is why Biblical Christianity is 💯% Unique compared to ALL others!
In addition, ONLY Biblical Christianity teaches the true Nature of God (Doctrine of the Holy Trinity) & Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ! 👍
N O W is the time to receive the Truth!
Jesus IS the Way, the Truth, & the Life!
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Bunk! Jesus didn't demonstrate his love for us by being crucified. He was a rabble-rouser who was executed for sedition.
Remember, god is FICTIONAL MAN MADE NONSENSE. There is absolutelly no reliable evidence about any god.
Any God that is willing to punish you in a lake of fire for an eternity just because you didn't obey it is definitely unworthy of praise and a malevolent threat. Your God is nether great or loving and can only be called a despicable God that deserves to be cast back into the void where it belongs.
@@ministryofarguments3525 💯 Fundies are intellectually and morally broken.
Obey or burn isn't love.
To the Born-Again Believer:
“For the Lord your God is living among you. He is a Mighty Savior. He will take delight in you with gladness.
With His LOVE, He will calm all your fears. He will rejoice over you with joyful songs”
-- Zephaniah 3:17 --
Love ya brother.
Quoting from ancient immoral book of fairy tales is pointless.
@@Jeremy-xu3yu It's great when two men love each other. 👍👍👍😍😍😍❤❤❤
You misspelt delusional
Get a life man. This is getting beyond pathetic.
Repent of your sins. Believe in Jesus Christ for salvation and become a new person in this life. John 3:16, Luke 13:3, 1 Peter 1:23 KJV........
Atheists already knows the bible isn't reliable for anything. Using bible quotes won't lead you anywhere
Delusional beyond comprehension
Spamming comments for jesus, saving souls 😇 god is proud of you for how you're spending your time
@@inefffable again delusional beyond comprehension
First demonstrate the existence of this Jesus using contemporary historical evidence or records.
We have none.
Ancient Kemetic (Egyptian) laws predated the 10 Commandants. They had the 42 laws of Maat.
Further, Moses was a prince of Egypt, and even he had to go on the run to avoid being arrested for murder. Moses' royal status was no protection from punishment for the murder of a commoner.
Clearly, the Ancient Egyptians were more moral and humane than the rampaging "Hebrews".
If Jesus did exist, and actually came back, most Christians would probably crucify him again; especially if he asked them to turn the other cheek, give up their guns, and provide universal healthcare.
God didn't say anything, some old book claims It said stuff.
It’s like trying to have a conversation with people who insist the civil war wasn’t over slavery.
"State rights!" Lmao