I finally figured out Rashad's problem with young players going lottery over older college players. He previously said that he returned to North Carolina for his junior year so he could go top 5 in the draft. He then said he was told by his agent that he was going to be the first shooting guard picked, but instead of Portland taking him, a college junior, they took Martell Webster at #6 straight out of high school because they thought he had a higher ceiling as a 18 yr old than McCants did as a 21 yr old, and McCants fell to #14. He's a victim of exactly what Gil is talking about.
@@ChefKeyBrien No, it doesn't. We're not talking about 80s versus today. We're not talking about 90s versus today. We're talking about the LeBron era, the Chris Paul era. LeBron debuted in 2003, Rashad debuted in November 2005. Same era. The game changed dramatically from 96 onwards. The game has changed little since 2006 till now. So, the comparison stands.
Rashad never can talk about the positives ever. Rashad you were a good college player that didn’t know when to shut up so you didn’t pan out. Geez Rashad give it up
It’s crazy cuz he swears players should stay in college longer but that was basically his demise. If he got drafted his freshman yr he most likely woulda been a lower pick and that would’ve supplemented his ego enough to stay focused on the grind like Gil was
Nope Gilbert actually makes his takes about himself. He mentioned players like Duncan and Vince Carter as Supersrars that were drafted young and they both played 3-4 years of college 🤔🙋🏿♂️ So Rashad was right
19:00 Gil is shifting the focus. He was discussing how a guy who is 19 years old is better than one who is 22 years old and ready for the NBA, but now he is discussing lottery selections and how AJ was selected for the Bucks at 23 and he can't be a 17th pick.
He’s never said that lol yall putting shit in mouth The NBA since 1996 most of the superstars and best players came in at 18-20 and surpassed the older players drafted in their class that’s what yall not understanding it’s not hard. The younger you start the more experience you’ll gain
@@ArleneCollier-i2d not what he is saying. He’s saying teams rightfully draft for upside. So if a player is a star player but older he is going to be drafted after the younger player who has star potential. And that teams compare players to other players in their age group and not in there draft class
@@TheEvilTwin89 ain’t about how long you’re in college it’s about how old you are when u enter the league. And edey and dalton were both four year stars but again that doesn’t even matter
@@astheskylarksings he's not right. he's saying experience should be valued over potential. This dude would've drafted Anthony Edwards at the bottom of the first because other players have more experience. It's rare that a 4 year college player is as good as Knecht in the NBA because they would've been drafted sooner if they were. It doesn't take 4 years to see NBA potential.
Gil said lottery is for youth and talent. Non-lottery for older college and best players. Gil asked since 2000, how many stars have come out of college in the lottery who were experienced college players.
Exactly, the Warriors built their dynasty with proven college players (Klay, Steph and Draymond had experience) Rashad is making a point but so are the current Magic and Thunder
Maybe a good comparison would be soccer. Lamine Yamal is a superstar at 17 because he trained since he was young at Barcelona's academy. Lebron is probably the direct example. College wouldn't have done much for him either
Nah Gil is right but it only applies to guys with elite talent. The faster they are introduced to pro environments the higher their ceilings go. Somebody like a Jayson Tatum has absolutely no business playing college basketball. The players that don't have that elite talent (Reaves, Alex Caruso type players) should stay in school to become as league ready as possible.
IMO college sports don't even need to exist. It really makes no sense for pro leagues to be in bed with college for amateur sports. You could have a more complex NBA developmental league and you'd see more prepared talent coming to the NBA.
@@EthanAlonso-z5x college woulda done more for bron because he would’ve have been drafted by the most sorry franchise at the time and woulda been in a better situation literally any place else
Allen Iverson, Ray Allen, Tim Duncan, Dwyane Wade, Vince Carter were all 21 y/o Rookies... its plenty More Older Lottery picks who were Superstars.. from 21 y/o MJ, 23 y/o Larry Bird.. 21 y/o Steph Curry. I would honestly bet that a Majority of the NBA 75 Were Older than 20 when their Rookie Season. Comments just really hate McCants LMAO.. Cuz what Gil is saying is Non-sense
Facts idk what the hell gil is talking about players coming out in there early twenties was the standard back then and it made of a better league these young dudes coming out and going straight to the g league
Gil’s point was that it should be way more than these, and it’s not.. Gil’s point is that if you stay that long you better be ready to dominate if you are not it’s more feasible to draft based on potential
Imma give my man Josiah his flowers right now he is the glue to this thing. Smart witty funny fast with it he's a big reason why the show is as great as it is. Everybody on here perfect for the show I don't think it will work if you switch anybody out especially the man in the middle this is the perfect stew
when you realize Gil can say the sky is blue and McCants will argue even while looking at the weather channel you'll start to understand he is playing a role on the show. It started out with him giving honest takes but then he took this "villian" role just to create content... its funny most of the time and never really makes sense but like he said "Its a job and I want it" 🤣
I can’t believe I agree with Rashad on something but teams reaching for ceiling and not floor is why teams like the warriors and heat keep finding gems in the mid first and second
Most the top teams have a young core and they’re most likely paying a younger guy a lot more and that older guy coming off the bench because of the style they play.
is that not the logic gil is talking about tho? Warrios and Heat are not lottery teams therefore they dont really need to draft players for ceiling. They just need to pick young players that can play cause they cheaper than a vet that can do the same thing and you get 4 years on their rookie salary.
There is no way in hell to anticipate which players will be better than the others despite age… this man Lebron is 40 and still playing better than 65% of 25 year old players. I understand Gils take on the ceiling but if I’m making an investment and I see a more seasoned player I’m not gonna pass up on him for a potential future with this unknown variable. And a lot of Gils basis are always EXTREME af, he gets the anomaly of a player and make these comparisons… he has to reach back to Dwight to make this argument. How many times have we seen older players get drafted and have longer careers than those that were younger but drafted in the same year? There is no way to know the intricacies of the game. You take a risk on a younger or older draft pick and if it don’t work out draft another young player, young players are being drafted every year.
Thank you!! That’s why the same teams in the lottery are still in the lottery. They recycle these young kids year after year, they don’t develop and are out the league or barely hanging on. Give me the experience any day
there are tons of players drafted with full college experience who do nothing in the NBA. there are players who have won college player of the year who do nothing in the NBA. there is no proven method to drafting. the draft is a crapshoot
Player development. The two players , shit Three players I can bring up m, the teams they are on COMMITTED to the player. Steph (GS) Banchero(Magic) Derozen(Toronto-admitting long he ain’t that guy, BUT Canada put ALOT of trying into him like he was- But it costs a lot of money and buisness wise, it’s hard to get that return.
To add to Gil's point. If you are a sorry team you aren't looking for a ready now role player, you are looking for a star. Yeah you could draft the ready to play now type of player but it's not gonna move the needle for your team. So even if it's risky you bet on someone who has the potential to be a star.
Not hard to understand, it’s why Gil told him to tell him all the older players who became all stars being drafted older .. it’s rare , I can give him to you , it’s Dame Lillard, he was a 4 year player ..
Tim Dunkin was an older draft pic but his talent was obvious and he came in balling. That's the year Pop took over and Robinson came back after almost the previous year off.
2017 Draft is an example of letting age cloud judgement. Teams took a bunch of young picks hoping they would pan out (Fultz, Ball, Monk, Ntilikina) when Donovan Mitchell was right there. Ain't no telling who gon be a star sometimes.
@@Nikenickcee I skipped the forwards because I assumed that those teams wanted to draft forwards and I skipped Fox because during that draft process I saw Fox and Donovan as similar level talents
Ball was like what who Lonzo? Smh he was ok n tbh actually on that UCLA team my cuzzo who isn't even in the league anymore was doing more n better on that UCLA team sorry Jonah Bolden but no longer in the league smh
With all those examples 😂😂 he’s trying to find the Gil who dropped , or Jokic or overseas guys that are unknown he became successful, Tony Parker etc. 2nd round is definitely for development potential . What else are you going to find there if all the can’t misses are gone . It’s stupid
Teams that listen to Gil will continue to struggle drafting g young players and then sending them down to the g league. Gil thinks it’s a Kobe or Howard or kg in every draft which he is wrong
That point actually makes sense…. Made me think back to high school kids at 14 vs 18 and almost always thinking back now could say who would be better at same age potential/skill/intangibles
Yes/no That age stuff means nothing frfr to a real baller Old or young if u nice n ready Game time.. Don't always work out but yeaaaaa hate the age narrative thing
A better analogy would be: who would be better as an engineer the college student who stayed all 4 years in college or the student who went right into his field and trained then worked as an engineer for a company for 4 years?
the Engineer that didnt go to school wouldn't last 4 years. He would be DOA and, if he wasn't fired, he would probably get someone killed. That analogy works against the overall point. Teaching a mfer how to run an NBA offense with little basketball knowledge is much easier than hopeing someone can figure out how to digest engineering lit. and do differential equations on their own when they only know basic trig. That said, most of Gils points are assumeing, for some reason, that the 22 year old wont develop at the same rate as the 18 year old. In most cases thats true, the case Gil keeps coming back to is Zach Edey, and I would argue that Zach Edey has more potential than the centers drafted ahead of him. L takes on both side imo.
That's a tough one. Imagine you're in college dominating for 4 years and never have to change your game? Alot of players that went to college like Adam Morrison was effective on that level but never leveled up
When people like McCant start debating I wonder if they ever have flashbacks of what they stated after the fact because he never make sense. His comprehension skills are very low
Dude made sense, you need to stop going "huh" and "what" in your head after every point you don't agree with and listen Curry was a senior when he came out, the Warriors had Monta Ellis and Jarrett Jack, they had young players too but that 4 year college starter along with Klay and Draymond having significant cbb play wasn't a 4 year long incubator trial but a proven way to win Same with the Villanova guys that are on the Knicks now, they just are good and adjust better while teams like the Pistons never get there AND draft young players that never live up to their potential so 4 more years of testing
So basically Rashad is saying the Lakers shouldn’t have picked Kobe because he only averaged 7.6points per game when they should’ve picked a more veteran ready to go player 😂
@@joe3rd403that’s a fact Gil want teams to struggle and waste money and draft picks hoping to find a kg or Kobe or Howard which are anomalies Gil is never realistic
nah most 19 year olds drafted aint that good. must gonna be busts anyways which were draft based on potential. potential doesnt mean they gonna reach it. give me the 22 year old star with superstar potential in the next 2-3 years.
@ mfer will have every coach he get fired the first year just from how he’s drafting. Every year he’s going to draft a 18-19 year old, they’ll probably make the playoffs in 2042 messing with Gil.
Rashad wearing a fake Richard Millie every week is hilarious.. nobody with a real Richard Millie is wearing a crown and some fucking chuck Taylor’s 😂😂😂😂
19:01 Gil be changing the goalposts, first he was talking about developing a player at 19 is better than a player that’s pro ready at 22, but now he’s talking about lottery picks can’t be a 17th pick when AJ was picked for the Bucks at 23 lol.
@@fredrickboseman8062 I’m definitely paying attention just like Rashad is. He said that the last episode him and Rashad was on together and that’s why Rashad called him out on it
@@MrMrtndmnGil did not say the younger players are drafted 1-9 the other day before this one. He said he’ll rather draft A 18-19 year old players because of the upside, but now he’s saying Dalton went 17 because of his age because Rashad told him the lakers didn’t have a 1-9 pick. Gil is also saying that the Lakers didn’t need a younger guy because they need player that can play now, so if the Lakers had a earlier pick who would Gil pick if he was the Lakers GM because he’s contradicting himself and people like you can’t see it. AJ is 19 and he got drafted to the Bucks at 23 behind Dalton, so what is Gil point about Dalton and older guys going in the teens again? Why would Bron call GM’s stupid for letting Dalton fall that far, but when Rashad call them stupid too people call Rashad dumb.
@@ishak4337 Reaves scoring points doesn't make him a great defender. The opponents are targeting Reaves, because he's rubbish on defense. He simply cannot play as a starter in this league. I don't care if some tanking teams want to give minutes to players like that.
The disparity in this conversation is that guys who spend 4 years in college don’t get the investment from teams that younger guys do so the results will be skewed. If those 4 year college players did I get that then I think more of them would blossom into superstars but they would definitely have a shorter time window given their older age. I think ppl just like to go against Rashad because he’s Rashad but he’s bringing up solid talking points regarding playing time and confidence here as well.
Teams skipped over Dalton because of his age, yet they sit up here and draft these 19 yr old players that they have to wait 3-4 years to see if they’re even that good.
Rashad just be saying shit just for the sake of saying shit lol Fool be changing up his stance depending on the push back MID TAKE Entertaining but at the same time, feels like my brains rotting
Gil is 100% right here on the heuristics and thought processes behind drafting. It doesn't always pan out, but it's a risk. It's not just the lottery because you draw picks, you risk potential over skill.
The Lakers drafted Magic Johnson and he was 20 coming out of college, the Celtics drafted Larry Bird and he was 23 coming out of college, the Bulls drafted Michael Jordan and he was 21 coming out of college.
@@thefacelessquestion3333He’s saying that they should get some experience before coming to the NBA just to sit on the bench for 4 years because they can’t play yet.
If we are being intellectually honest these young players are coming in the league and disappearing and the players that comes in with more college experience are serviceable
Gil’s point sounds good but the only team I can think of where it worked was the Celtics. Kobe had shaq who was much older, Dwight had a bunch of vets, building just a young team to get better together just doesn’t work. Established players are always needed and usually they are stars or great role players
Gil has not changed his point from the start. McCants has been baiting the intial argument for damn near a year lol. Just to change it to a different point to argue. While Gil sticks to the initial point This whole debate on age came from McCants saying Edey was the best player in the draft. Gil called him a safe pick for an older team bc of his age. Everything McCants said Gil already said now he tryna pull a switch! Even with knect which McCants called a bad pick and he won’t play (or be good).
Being a role player and playing 5+ years in the league is a success in itself so I agree with Rashad in that regard. Gil's point trying to say that older players aren't successful because they aren't comparable to Superstar caliber players is a ludicrous expectation especially when Gil has said himself that most of the draft doesn't even make it pass their first couple of years in the league as is so naming players like JJ and Shane and classifying their career as unsuccessful for the sake of his point is ridiculous.
The Suns had this same idea when they drafted Devin Booker. One of the youngest on that particular Kentucky team at the time, a freshman who came off the bench.
@@secondchance5080 it doesnt matter you took a contract potentially 100s of thousands of dollars from someone who deserved it more and averaged more than 4pts in college. So dont try pull that bs
@@InterestingFactsDailyOfficial I really don’t care end of the day it’s to make history lol if I was bron or anybody in that position and had that kind of power I would pull it too . Somebody lost on being picked but same time history was on the line so me personally I’m not mad at it cause well most likely never see that again .
Owner perspective vs Player perspective… Long-term vs Short-Term invest… Business vs basketball. Both have truth but wherever the owner perceives the business to be vs the championship potential likely has the most influence on the decisions being made.
Ngl I get where McCants is coming from but there’s not enough precedent like Gil has. These 22 year olds are never given the opportunity to be built around so we’d never know how good they can be at 26. What if that investment paid off more? What if by the time he’s 26 he’s all NBA? So many late bloomer cases. Not every lottery pick is a Luka or Ant.
I don’t think so. If you’re not playing, while the 22/23 player is playing you’re not getting the experience until you’re playing. It’s only so much telling and simulating that a person can learn.
I like how everyone dismisses college play like it's a walk in the park.... 95% of all the people commenting here, including myself wouldn't even be good enough to play in college. 😂
Jdub was a 3 year college player podzi was a 3 year college both have been starters in the nba. Dillon and AJ both solid role players after 3 years of college, getting solid minutes as rookies
Shad and Sheryl lowkey changed the argument because the original debate wasn’t that the player was gonna sit 4 years. No lottery pick is going to sit for that long, they’re going to okay almost immediately. So they changed that part. And to say that Gil is using extreme examples is false because those who the lottery pick tend to be. The best of the best in college. So any lottery pick he said Shad would have disagreed with 😂
Gil thinks it's all about age. A bird in hand is better than two in the bush. There's no guarantee that the younger hooper would become a star or superstar. His argument is too simplistic. He's using generational players like Dwight and Luka to make his point. Those are exceptional players. Not the norm.
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I finally figured out Rashad's problem with young players going lottery over older college players. He previously said that he returned to North Carolina for his junior year so he could go top 5 in the draft. He then said he was told by his agent that he was going to be the first shooting guard picked, but instead of Portland taking him, a college junior, they took Martell Webster at #6 straight out of high school because they thought he had a higher ceiling as a 18 yr old than McCants did as a 21 yr old, and McCants fell to #14. He's a victim of exactly what Gil is talking about.
Interesting
Webster had a better career than mccants so they werent wrong lmao 😅
@@InterestingFactsDailyOfficial He had a longer career for sure.
I will pay mkre attention to his conversation
The plot thickens 🧐
I think the most crazy part about this video is that McCants doesn’t even understand that he is using his own argument to kill his first argument😂😂😂
That killed me
Can’t make this shit up😅 they need to get rid of bro
He usually argues both sides of every argument. Bro just isn’t that bright.
The first time I actually kinda agreed . Why use a lottery pick for a Kilian Hayes instead of using it on a kncecht
@@513ovaeverything7 that has to with comprehension brother
He dropped 37 yesterday a career high for him & most .. don’t forget LeBron averaged 37 points against mccants
Wondered where this comment been at 😂
Didn't see it in a few videos
lmaoo
Man you hell lol
Most dedicated troll on the net I salute y'all
Please get off your knees, and wipe your mouth too, LeBron left something there.
McCants highest scoring game in the NBA was 34 points in his 3rd year, Knecht dropped 37 in 13 games. 💀
Different eras
@@stanleed.harold5457doesn’t matter. The point still stands.
@@dezz8598 it does matter. Ones a shooter in the 3pt era & One was a slashing guard in the defensive era
@@stanleed.harold5457so, he talk ish like he that dude, but already been out performed….
@@ChefKeyBrien
No, it doesn't.
We're not talking about 80s versus today. We're not talking about 90s versus today.
We're talking about the LeBron era, the Chris Paul era.
LeBron debuted in 2003, Rashad debuted in November 2005. Same era. The game changed dramatically from 96 onwards. The game has changed little since 2006 till now.
So, the comparison stands.
McCants. LeBron was praising Knect before he even played a game. Tf you talking about?
He’s ridiculous 😆
He's the self appointed LeBron rival
He's not very smart
Just Rashad showing his lack of IQ again
@@corpyhogan4433that’s not a rivalry he never won anything Lebron literally winning on every level of life when it comes to dude
Rashad never can talk about the positives ever. Rashad you were a good college player that didn’t know when to shut up so you didn’t pan out. Geez Rashad give it up
and he stayed 3 years thats why he wasnt a lottery
It’s crazy cuz he swears players should stay in college longer but that was basically his demise. If he got drafted his freshman yr he most likely woulda been a lower pick and that would’ve supplemented his ego enough to stay focused on the grind like Gil was
Rashad makes every take about himself and his insecurities
And it’s very loud
McCants is a str8 up hater
Its funny how some of these athletes are so insecure😂
Nope Gilbert actually makes his takes about himself. He mentioned players like Duncan and Vince Carter as Supersrars that were drafted young and they both played 3-4 years of college 🤔🙋🏿♂️ So Rashad was right
I dnt see it, Rashad speaks the real not the media 💯💪🏽
19:00 Gil is shifting the focus. He was discussing how a guy who is 19 years old is better than one who is 22 years old and ready for the NBA, but now he is discussing lottery selections and how AJ was selected for the Bucks at 23 and he can't be a 17th pick.
He’s never said that lol yall putting shit in mouth The NBA since 1996 most of the superstars and best players came in at 18-20 and surpassed the older players drafted in their class that’s what yall not understanding it’s not hard. The younger you start the more experience you’ll gain
@@ArleneCollier-i2d not what he is saying. He’s saying teams rightfully draft for upside. So if a player is a star player but older he is going to be drafted after the younger player who has star potential. And that teams compare players to other players in their age group and not in there draft class
@@smokeworld4l74the problem with what you saying is stars don’t stay in college 4 years so ain’t no 4 year start coming out
Dude no lol
@@TheEvilTwin89 ain’t about how long you’re in college it’s about how old you are when u enter the league. And edey and dalton were both four year stars but again that doesn’t even matter
McCants like a drunk uncle at the cookout nobody knows what he talking about.
He's just there to be on the other side. When he has no angle to come at he just plays the jester. A check is a check
Just talking cuz he there just talking 🤣
He's right
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Wow, this was insane! Do more like this!
Mccants always rambling 😂😂😂
Then you ain’t listening. He was right
@@astheskylarksingsget off your burner
@@astheskylarksingsyou delusional 😂
He honestly says wild shit just so we watch he not serious about half the stuff he says.
@@astheskylarksings he's not right. he's saying experience should be valued over potential. This dude would've drafted Anthony Edwards at the bottom of the first because other players have more experience. It's rare that a 4 year college player is as good as Knecht in the NBA because they would've been drafted sooner if they were. It doesn't take 4 years to see NBA potential.
Steph Curry, 2009, 7th pick, 21 years old.
He said top 5
@ he said lottery.
Gil said lottery is for youth and talent. Non-lottery for older college and best players. Gil asked since 2000, how many stars have come out of college in the lottery who were experienced college players.
he said 22 years old not 21. a guys who spent 4 years in college.
Exactly, the Warriors built their dynasty with proven college players (Klay, Steph and Draymond had experience)
Rashad is making a point but so are the current Magic and Thunder
McCants is the definition of HATER 😂😂😂
Barking dog barking at a barking dog. Here’s a scooby snack my dude
he mad about his career was worthless after four year college
A hater will at least sometimes make sense.
@ Ikr! Even a broken clock is right twice a day🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
Totally
First thought Mccants was a troll, now i realize bro brain just fried 😂🤦🏾♂️
Westside Knecht
Knecht Gamg
🔥 haven’t heard that one s/o to cube
@@Domeo_Divinebing bing bang!!
LA Knechtion !
On the dead homies
3:38 swears McCants is just so dumb my goodness 🤦🏾♂️
Yeah, he was sounding really retarded
Lebron said from day one that he wanted him and AR
That nigga just can’t not hate 💀😂 he goes out his way to
He's actually making a good point this time
@@relentless_thoughts no he doesn't cause it's not straightforward not all teams are playing to win now hence they draft for potential
McCant playing marco polo by himself 😂😂😂
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Underrated comment
and losing...
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Wow that was a fantastic segment. Very deep conversation thanks guys.
Rashad just yapping for yapping sake
By Gil’s logic what’s the point of college sports ? We need to start drafting 15-16 year olds to the league 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Maybe a good comparison would be soccer. Lamine Yamal is a superstar at 17 because he trained since he was young at Barcelona's academy. Lebron is probably the direct example. College wouldn't have done much for him either
Nah Gil is right but it only applies to guys with elite talent. The faster they are introduced to pro environments the higher their ceilings go. Somebody like a Jayson Tatum has absolutely no business playing college basketball. The players that don't have that elite talent (Reaves, Alex Caruso type players) should stay in school to become as league ready as possible.
@@Kingme3144exactly, but the main argument with this is too many players come to the league without that talent being shown but all the hype
IMO college sports don't even need to exist. It really makes no sense for pro leagues to be in bed with college for amateur sports. You could have a more complex NBA developmental league and you'd see more prepared talent coming to the NBA.
@@EthanAlonso-z5x college woulda done more for bron because he would’ve have been drafted by the most sorry franchise at the time and woulda been in a better situation literally any place else
I just subscribed today, and this Mccants guy got me like, nah, im good lol
Nah mccants is lowkey the main reason to watch 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂
He's the contrarian to keep it interesting. They saw early on that arguing gets views so rashad plays his part
There ain’t a show without Mccants. Showman
Allen Iverson, Ray Allen, Tim Duncan, Dwyane Wade, Vince Carter were all 21 y/o Rookies... its plenty More Older Lottery picks who were Superstars.. from 21 y/o MJ, 23 y/o Larry Bird.. 21 y/o Steph Curry. I would honestly bet that a Majority of the NBA 75 Were Older than 20 when their Rookie Season. Comments just really hate McCants LMAO.. Cuz what Gil is saying is Non-sense
I agree
How many of them went to college for 4 years ?
@@geton411 the criteria was those that stayed longer in college
Facts idk what the hell gil is talking about players coming out in there early twenties was the standard back then and it made of a better league these young dudes coming out and going straight to the g league
Gil’s point was that it should be way more than these, and it’s not.. Gil’s point is that if you stay that long you better be ready to dominate if you are not it’s more feasible to draft based on potential
Knecht would of averaged 37 on McCant as well...
Damn
@jakeblaze7663 Knecht in 14 games is already better than Mccants whole career. Never forget Bron averaged 37 ppg vs Mccants
LMAO
😂😂😂 you might be on to something
😂😂😂
Yall gotta realize. Mccants took the Rob Parker/ Skip energy and i am sure the show loves it and its probably manufactured at times.
You gotta have the antagonist on every show. And mccants is perfect for that role
That Sip by bum ass McCants at 20:23 was DEADLY 🤣🤣🤣🤣
ACTUALLY 20:22
What the loud slurp on purpose when Gil was talking?
Yea disrespectful
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Imma give my man Josiah his flowers right now he is the glue to this thing. Smart witty funny fast with it he's a big reason why the show is as great as it is. Everybody on here perfect for the show I don't think it will work if you switch anybody out especially the man in the middle this is the perfect stew
The Old Hater and McCants doesn’t understand what Gil is saying…They miss the whole equation! 🤣🤣🤣
He understands what Gil saying he just playing the villain role for views
@ makes sense when you put it that way.
when you realize Gil can say the sky is blue and McCants will argue even while looking at the weather channel you'll start to understand he is playing a role on the show. It started out with him giving honest takes but then he took this "villian" role just to create content... its funny most of the time and never really makes sense but like he said "Its a job and I want it" 🤣
@ Definitely hipped me! I just thought he really felt that way! 🤣🤣🤣
He understands, he's just projecting. He was the older college kid going into the draft and they took a younger guard out of high school ahead of him.
Younger players don't always improve. Gil never factors that into the equation
I can’t believe I agree with Rashad on something but teams reaching for ceiling and not floor is why teams like the warriors and heat keep finding gems in the mid first and second
Most the top teams have a young core and they’re most likely paying a younger guy a lot more and that older guy coming off the bench because of the style they play.
Nah those teams keep finding gems because they have true systems
is that not the logic gil is talking about tho? Warrios and Heat are not lottery teams therefore they dont really need to draft players for ceiling. They just need to pick young players that can play cause they cheaper than a vet that can do the same thing and you get 4 years on their rookie salary.
@@JgarthebeastGolden state doest’t have a system anymore.
@@JordanHarris-d7s GS is doing what Gil is saying though .
There is no way in hell to anticipate which players will be better than the others despite age… this man Lebron is 40 and still playing better than 65% of 25 year old players. I understand Gils take on the ceiling but if I’m making an investment and I see a more seasoned player I’m not gonna pass up on him for a potential future with this unknown variable. And a lot of Gils basis are always EXTREME af, he gets the anomaly of a player and make these comparisons… he has to reach back to Dwight to make this argument. How many times have we seen older players get drafted and have longer careers than those that were younger but drafted in the same year? There is no way to know the intricacies of the game. You take a risk on a younger or older draft pick and if it don’t work out draft another young player, young players are being drafted every year.
Thank you!! That’s why the same teams in the lottery are still in the lottery. They recycle these young kids year after year, they don’t develop and are out the league or barely hanging on. Give me the experience any day
there are tons of players drafted with full college experience who do nothing in the NBA. there are players who have won college player of the year who do nothing in the NBA. there is no proven method to drafting. the draft is a crapshoot
Player development.
The two players , shit Three players I can bring up m, the teams they are on COMMITTED to the player.
Steph (GS)
Banchero(Magic)
Derozen(Toronto-admitting long he ain’t that guy, BUT Canada put ALOT of trying into him like he was-
But it costs a lot of money and buisness wise, it’s hard to get that return.
To add to Gil's point. If you are a sorry team you aren't looking for a ready now role player, you are looking for a star. Yeah you could draft the ready to play now type of player but it's not gonna move the needle for your team. So even if it's risky you bet on someone who has the potential to be a star.
Not hard to understand, it’s why Gil told him to tell him all the older players who became all stars being drafted older .. it’s rare , I can give him to you , it’s Dame Lillard, he was a 4 year player ..
That was literally his point
@@Supreme36074Wasn’t Gil the same one that said “Whatever GM drafts Zach Edey in the first round deserves to be fired”?
@ he did say that , doesn’t make him wrong here however .
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mI don’t know why y’all say things like this like he gonna be 100% correct on a debate show
Tim Dunkin was an older draft pic but his talent was obvious and he came in balling. That's the year Pop took over and Robinson came back after almost the previous year off.
@@williamgrierson4133 yes, they were a 50 win team already, Tim came in a capped them off.
Exactly and Tim lasted longer because he was fundamentally sound. College had him ready
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Learn how to spell.
@darnellharris159 My bad. Needed a ☕
You’d think McCants played football with his CTE brain lmao
Not to be funny but how do you disagree with mccants
@ you must have CTE as well lmao
2017 Draft is an example of letting age cloud judgement. Teams took a bunch of young picks hoping they would pan out (Fultz, Ball, Monk, Ntilikina) when Donovan Mitchell was right there. Ain't no telling who gon be a star sometimes.
ball was like that tho
Notice how you skipped Tatum, Fox, Markkanen, all younger guys who went earlier
@@legorovers9838 it was obvious even back then because that Ball was going to be a role player at best
@@Nikenickcee I skipped the forwards because I assumed that those teams wanted to draft forwards and I skipped Fox because during that draft process I saw Fox and Donovan as similar level talents
Ball was like what who Lonzo? Smh he was ok n tbh actually on that UCLA team my cuzzo who isn't even in the league anymore was doing more n better on that UCLA team sorry
Jonah Bolden but no longer in the league smh
Mccants wants to draft potential superstars in the 2nd round apparently 😅
With all those examples 😂😂 he’s trying to find the Gil who dropped , or Jokic or overseas guys that are unknown he became successful, Tony Parker etc. 2nd round is definitely for development potential . What else are you going to find there if all the can’t misses are gone . It’s stupid
bro is so dumb 😭😭😭
He is looking for another Gil to pick in the 2nd round
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Arenas has easy work with this goofy Mcants
Teams that listen to Gil will continue to struggle drafting g young players and then sending them down to the g league. Gil thinks it’s a Kobe or Howard or kg in every draft which he is wrong
That point actually makes sense…. Made me think back to high school kids at 14 vs 18 and almost always thinking back now could say who would be better at same age potential/skill/intangibles
If you’re trying to win a championship … you go with the older guy, they are already prepped and ready to play and ready to win
Yes/no
That age stuff means nothing frfr to a real baller
Old or young if u nice n ready
Game time..
Don't always work out but yeaaaaa hate the age narrative thing
A better analogy would be: who would be better as an engineer the college student who stayed all 4 years in college or the student who went right into his field and trained then worked as an engineer for a company for 4 years?
Nah… super false equivalency
@astheskylarksings OK well elaborate please?
He is 23 years young .. they act like he is 40 .. Great pick up for my LAKERS 🟨🟪
What hes saying is who would be better somebody who stayed in school longer or somebody who went straight into whatever job/field
the Engineer that didnt go to school wouldn't last 4 years. He would be DOA and, if he wasn't fired, he would probably get someone killed. That analogy works against the overall point. Teaching a mfer how to run an NBA offense with little basketball knowledge is much easier than hopeing someone can figure out how to digest engineering lit. and do differential equations on their own when they only know basic trig. That said, most of Gils points are assumeing, for some reason, that the 22 year old wont develop at the same rate as the 18 year old. In most cases thats true, the case Gil keeps coming back to is Zach Edey, and I would argue that Zach Edey has more potential than the centers drafted ahead of him. L takes on both side imo.
What do Rashad be talking about 🤣
Bro the man said the Lakers really didn't want to draft Dalton like what kind of sense does that make 😂
He don’t even know 80% of the time
No1 knows .... 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@pbrizleshow3069😂😂😂😂
@@webelieve248He only said that stupid shit just to bring up bronny. That man has it bad bro
24:15 Hakeem. Vince Carter. D Wade. Dame Lillard. Steve Nash. Grant Hill. Penny Hardaway.
He said since 2000. Dwade and Curry would be the only 2
That's a tough one. Imagine you're in college dominating for 4 years and never have to change your game? Alot of players that went to college like Adam Morrison was effective on that level but never leveled up
They would eat Caitlin Clark alive in the Dub. Steph Curry would get swallowed up and hawk tuah’d. Lebron might be even better with a little college
@@astheskylarksingsno he went and got real world experience by going straight to the NBA
Dalton has *_conKnechted_* while D'Angelo is still *_loading_*
If you watched SEC basketball you knew this guy was a star in the making.
you all need to make a animated version of this pod cause Rashad is funny as hell. his character always finds something counter to belief.
3:17 TF is he talking about??!! McCants still phukin' up the brand. Like for real for real, dude isn't a troll...he's just not bright...like, at ALL
Facts!!!!!like wtf
Bro thank you this guy never says anything smart even if he’s right on a topic you still dont agree with him because he never says anything of value
Its to the point i literally either skip when he talks or literally skip any vid he in
@jaybandzzz4685 same
Gil just keep moving the goal post 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Factz. Poor Sheryl Swoopes tried her best to tell Gil “Hell nawl” and a nice way
When people like McCant start debating I wonder if they ever have flashbacks of what they stated after the fact because he never make sense. His comprehension skills are very low
Dude made sense, you need to stop going "huh" and "what" in your head after every point you don't agree with and listen
Curry was a senior when he came out, the Warriors had Monta Ellis and Jarrett Jack, they had young players too but that 4 year college starter along with Klay and Draymond having significant cbb play wasn't a 4 year long incubator trial but a proven way to win
Same with the Villanova guys that are on the Knicks now, they just are good and adjust better while teams like the Pistons never get there AND draft young players that never live up to their potential so 4 more years of testing
@ yeah you’re delusional brother go and get help I will support you and your mental health. Send me your email address seriously.
So basically Rashad is saying the Lakers shouldn’t have picked Kobe because he only averaged 7.6points per game when they should’ve picked a more veteran ready to go player 😂
If Rashad is your GM your team gone be all role players. And he gone take 19 year olds in the second round xD
True. So they should co-GM
Well at least He’ll save money and win you games.
@@joe3rd403that’s a fact Gil want teams to struggle and waste money and draft picks hoping to find a kg or Kobe or Howard which are anomalies Gil is never realistic
nah most 19 year olds drafted aint that good. must gonna be busts anyways which were draft based on potential. potential doesnt mean they gonna reach it. give me the 22 year old star with superstar potential in the next 2-3 years.
@ mfer will have every coach he get fired the first year just from how he’s drafting. Every year he’s going to draft a 18-19 year old, they’ll probably make the playoffs in 2042 messing with Gil.
I bet Mccants even hate himself 😂
Rashad wearing a fake Richard Millie every week is hilarious.. nobody with a real Richard Millie is wearing a crown and some fucking chuck Taylor’s 😂😂😂😂
Bro u sound like a clown to not think he can afford a Richard Millie when broke rappers buy them but keep hating
@ ok and the broke rappers wearing them are fake too you dummy
How u know it's fakr
Even Rashad has haters 😂😂😂
@@wordonthestreetpodcast5472every rapper don’t have a Richard Millie it’s only a select few lol
30:13 EXACTLY.. you should be drafting to win & to play RIGHT NOW
McCants just cant say you right. He going to take it up the flag pole before he give up. 😂😂😂
There's always a learning curve when you play up with time and work your talent Will show where and who you are
Rashad really needs to heal.
What the fuck is Rashad talking about 😂😂😂😂😂
His name is fire when ready 💯
Micheal Jordan was 21-22 years old when he got drafted he turned out ok.. that destroys kills whole argument 😂😂😂😂
People didn't come into the nba at 19 then dumbass
he was also drafted before the year 2000....try again buddy
19:01 Gil be changing the goalposts, first he was talking about developing a player at 19 is better than a player that’s pro ready at 22, but now he’s talking about lottery picks can’t be a 17th pick when AJ was picked for the Bucks at 23 lol.
You're not paying attention obviously. Sounds like Rashad
@@fredrickboseman8062they totally aren’t listening
@@fredrickboseman8062 I’m definitely paying attention just like Rashad is. He said that the last episode him and Rashad was on together and that’s why Rashad called him out on it
@@MrMrtndmnGil did not say the younger players are drafted 1-9 the other day before this one. He said he’ll rather draft A 18-19 year old players because of the upside, but now he’s saying Dalton went 17 because of his age because Rashad told him the lakers didn’t have a 1-9 pick. Gil is also saying that the Lakers didn’t need a younger guy because they need player that can play now, so if the Lakers had a earlier pick who would Gil pick if he was the Lakers GM because he’s contradicting himself and people like you can’t see it. AJ is 19 and he got drafted to the Bucks at 23 behind Dalton, so what is Gil point about Dalton and older guys going in the teens again? Why would Bron call GM’s stupid for letting Dalton fall that far, but when Rashad call them stupid too people call Rashad dumb.
U getting lost in the sauce
This pod is a must see for sports! 😂😂😂
Reaves not coming off the bench
He should be coming off the bench. His offense can't make up for his lack of defense.
@ u can say that for alot of nba vets who been starters for years
@@penkima4923your talking rubbish reaves playing great and is a great defender, DLo should be coming off bench
@@ishak4337 Reaves scoring points doesn't make him a great defender. The opponents are targeting Reaves, because he's rubbish on defense. He simply cannot play as a starter in this league. I don't care if some tanking teams want to give minutes to players like that.
@@penkima4923 so dlo is a starter to u
Finally someone called that dude out for always being in the background but trying to be heard 😂
MCcants is the definition of Delusional…
The disparity in this conversation is that guys who spend 4 years in college don’t get the investment from teams that younger guys do so the results will be skewed. If those 4 year college players did I get that then I think more of them would blossom into superstars but they would definitely have a shorter time window given their older age. I think ppl just like to go against Rashad because he’s Rashad but he’s bringing up solid talking points regarding playing time and confidence here as well.
Teams skipped over Dalton because of his age, yet they sit up here and draft these 19 yr old players that they have to wait 3-4 years to see if they’re even that good.
And by then you have to pay him a bag. teams thinks every 19 year old player is gonna be the next Giannis
@ But Giannis learned the game fundamentally overseas in Greece
“We’re on the same level!” *Hands at different levels*
Rashad just be saying shit just for the sake of saying shit lol
Fool be changing up his stance depending on the push back MID TAKE
Entertaining but at the same time, feels like my brains rotting
So Gil doesn’t?
@ Rashad is that you?
All seriousness I hope you can differ the extent that Rashad does it and Gil does lol
Gil is 100% right here on the heuristics and thought processes behind drafting. It doesn't always pan out, but it's a risk. It's not just the lottery because you draw picks, you risk potential over skill.
The problem with Rashad's argument is that if you are in the lottery, and especially top 5, you are probably going to get playing time.
The Lakers drafted Magic Johnson and he was 20 coming out of college, the Celtics drafted Larry Bird and he was 23 coming out of college, the Bulls drafted Michael Jordan and he was 21 coming out of college.
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m and they all happened before the year 2000
Rashad is hilarious lmao 🤣 Every show with Cemetery Larry is a must watch
I agree with Rashad. First round draft picks that have 2 plus years always are solid
Yeah but how many of them end up being superstars?
Rashad saying they should be after the FULL college ride.
@@kingexclusivoYes they can be a superstar or a very good role player after 4 years already. They’ll only be 26 bro.
@@thefacelessquestion3333He’s saying that they should get some experience before coming to the NBA just to sit on the bench for 4 years because they can’t play yet.
If we are being intellectually honest these young players are coming in the league and disappearing and the players that comes in with more college experience are serviceable
Gil’s point sounds good but the only team I can think of where it worked was the Celtics. Kobe had shaq who was much older, Dwight had a bunch of vets, building just a young team to get better together just doesn’t work. Established players are always needed and usually they are stars or great role players
now we know DK would put them same 37 against rashad
That’s his whole point though, but would AJ Johnson do it?
Gil has not changed his point from the start. McCants has been baiting the intial argument for damn near a year lol. Just to change it to a different point to argue. While Gil sticks to the initial point
This whole debate on age came from McCants saying Edey was the best player in the draft. Gil called him a safe pick for an older team bc of his age.
Everything McCants said Gil already said now he tryna pull a switch! Even with knect which McCants called a bad pick and he won’t play (or be good).
wtf is McCants even talking about Breh
Being a role player and playing 5+ years in the league is a success in itself so I agree with Rashad in that regard. Gil's point trying to say that older players aren't successful because they aren't comparable to Superstar caliber players is a ludicrous expectation especially when Gil has said himself that most of the draft doesn't even make it pass their first couple of years in the league as is so naming players like JJ and Shane and classifying their career as unsuccessful for the sake of his point is ridiculous.
Mccants spitting, gil just be talking dumb shit
No he's not he's 100% wrong lol
The Suns had this same idea when they drafted Devin Booker. One of the youngest on that particular Kentucky team at the time, a freshman who came off the bench.
Most of y’all just agree with Gil bc he got a bigger name than Mccants. Stop hating on a man that took accountability for his shortcomings.
Gil's takes follow the ESPN. This comment section is full of casuals, who don't even have their own takes on subjects.
U sound ridiculous
Those players you asked asked about are Jimmy butler, steph, dame, cj, jokic, klay, draymond, paul pierce, jalen brunson
First...Dalton is a Great pickup to make up for Bronny 😅
Bro bronny is a 55th pick …
@@JoJordan18455th pick but he was the 400th best in the draft class 😂
And second the 55th pick wouldn’t be contributing to the lakers no matter who it was
@@secondchance5080 it doesnt matter you took a contract potentially 100s of thousands of dollars from someone who deserved it more and averaged more than 4pts in college. So dont try pull that bs
@@InterestingFactsDailyOfficial I really don’t care end of the day it’s to make history lol if I was bron or anybody in that position and had that kind of power I would pull it too . Somebody lost on being picked but same time history was on the line so me personally I’m not mad at it cause well most likely never see that again .
I like that Gil is presenting career facts, not hypotheticals.
Owner perspective vs Player perspective… Long-term vs Short-Term invest… Business vs basketball. Both have truth but wherever the owner perceives the business to be vs the championship potential likely has the most influence on the decisions being made.
Ngl I get where McCants is coming from but there’s not enough precedent like Gil has. These 22 year olds are never given the opportunity to be built around so we’d never know how good they can be at 26. What if that investment paid off more? What if by the time he’s 26 he’s all NBA? So many late bloomer cases. Not every lottery pick is a Luka or Ant.
McCants sitting on the couch telling GMs they’re dumb it top tier comedy 😂
Well every year GMs get fired so some of them must be dumb
Gil was on point. Joining a company or team early in your teen gives you a huge advantage over those getting out of college later and joining.
I don’t think so. If you’re not playing, while the 22/23 player is playing you’re not getting the experience until you’re playing. It’s only so much telling and simulating that a person can learn.
I like how everyone dismisses college play like it's a walk in the park.... 95% of all the people commenting here, including myself wouldn't even be good enough to play in college. 😂
18:38 “Dalton Knect is a college role player” wait so he was a role player in college?? “no i said now” time to put down the cup unc 💀
The name tag is genius 😂😂😂
I actually understand both arguments which is interesting
Someone else noticed the "adidas" tag on that Nike jersey, Gil hilarious
First thing comes out of Rashad's mouth is "Stats on Reaves", but when talking about Bron who don't look at stats
If they can’t get what Gil is saying they don’t know basketball!! Big facts Gil is on point!
“You know we drafted him right”?! - Gil
🤣
Jdub was a 3 year college player podzi was a 3 year college both have been starters in the nba. Dillon and AJ both solid role players after 3 years of college, getting solid minutes as rookies
Gil faces are hilarious when he looks puzzled at McCants. Gil is definitely proving he can be a great GM!
Shad and Sheryl lowkey changed the argument because the original debate wasn’t that the player was gonna sit 4 years. No lottery pick is going to sit for that long, they’re going to okay almost immediately. So they changed that part. And to say that Gil is using extreme examples is false because those who the lottery pick tend to be. The best of the best in college. So any lottery pick he said Shad would have disagreed with 😂
Gil thinks it's all about age. A bird in hand is better than two in the bush. There's no guarantee that the younger hooper would become a star or superstar. His argument is too simplistic. He's using generational players like Dwight and Luka to make his point. Those are exceptional players. Not the norm.
Rashad literally just be freestyling off the dome with no extra thought. 'Ayo I come through' ahh dude.
“But too shads point”
“What point?”
😂😂😂
“Let’s take em w the Top 5 pick LEMME GET ME AN UNC” 😂