My DM's are full of dozens of comments that kind of mirror the vibes... but of course, a lot of people love it too, so was very challenging one for sure.
Great review, mate! I’ve been using this kite for about 4 months now, and I have to say, while it was challenging to get used to at first, it’s quickly become my favorite kite. Here’s my personal breakdown: • Looping: 9+ • Fun factor: 8 • Air style/Old school: 7 • Confidence: 9+ (Coming from an XR8!) Honestly, once you get the hang of it, this kite really stands out!
Thanks for the review! However, it confirms to me just how much you need to test gear rather than go by other people's opinion (granted, this is easier said than done 😊). I have tested the 10m, and the experience was hugely positive (a very reassuring kite). I do agree that the low end is not as powerful as other kites, but the wind range is immense and I could hold it down comfortably in 33knts - 85Kg. All the best 👍
@@jasonofmontreal Yep, I prefer to ride the paces lit relative to other kites. Not a fan of the low end but the 10 and 12m Pace are all time when I have the proper power.
Great honest review as always. Thanks for including my feedback. While riding with you in New Zealand, I really came to understand the value of taking the time out of your normal training routine to test other brands. I bought the Core Paces recently with the goal of getting more height on all of my tricks. While my technique is probably the biggest drawback to my height, I did feel like all my tricks went higher by 30% during the last few months in Brazil, than they did on my standard orbits. Still not sure if other brands would give me the height that I want and also be easier to progress on. I did absolutely love the 10 and 12M Paces in every area compared to all other brands I have ridden in those sizes.
Great and honest review one again ! Are you finally crowdfund to get a hand on those new gong kites? Can be really interesting as those price tags can be pretty disruptive on the market
No one would want to hear that their big investment doesn't deliver as hyped as crazy. Thanks for the review and for not being afraid of screaming that the king is naked.
Right, if you need to get used to the kite for me it's not a good kite. No matter on how much performance you can get, confidence is very important, that's why I stick to orbits. They just give me unmatched loop confidence in high winds. ❤❤
@@gavinhopkins7769 if its hard to get the heliloop right? I can time the catching loop on the orbit so that I will Land with close to Zero speed. If a kite is too fast that's not a benefit on the catch. Same thing with my old 8m Bandit 2015. I could just not get it to slow me down. I liked the loops, but in high Winds it was a gamble and a crash was likely
Another very good straight Kite review, great work Jason🤗 For me a big plus because reviews from team members or shops are allways the same hymn of praise...💰🤑 I enyoyed all your reviews and now i am very happy with my orbits + atmos hybrid🥰🤙
Many thanks for your honesty! it is necessary to check the XR PRO in my opinion, the kite has not been finalized in a year of use! since they just sewed it from alula and did not change anything in the design ..
@@jasonofmontreal In the XR PRO 12 size I was able to land with double loops from a height of 9 meters, I can admit that this is his highest achievement, there is a video on my channel, but the mega heavy bar and the lower limit in the wind discourage me from using it! On your advice I bought the EVO D/LAB 10 and started to progress in the ratings THANKS!!!!
Love the honest review 👍 Next up Rebel DLAB? And is there gonna be a review for the Cabrinha Moto X Designworks, i believe you rode that one for at least a couple sessions right? Considering how well the Nitro performs that might be interesting aswell. Cheers
Top reviews again! Although i have been opening youtube every day for over a month just to see if you have posted a rebel dlab review i surely also enjoyed this one. Although i have already ordered the rebels i am still most curious what Jason thinks of it, great that apparently many people including myself rate your reviews so highly, great work!
I switched from North Orbit Pro to the Pace after testing it. I cant agree on the critics. Yes, the bar pressure is higher, besides that the Kite does everything better then the Orbit in terms of Low End, Speerd, High End, Lift and Response time. Maybe the NXT or DLab are better, but definitely not an Orbit with Dacron. But every Person is different and this shows that it is even more important to test the kites rather on relying on tests. Thanks for the honest opinion!
Im loving this kite, even tho it is challenging. The takeoff needs to be on point. But I would say progression wise it’s been almost 4 months of pure progression. Due to the price and our local wind I’ve a range of 7,10,12m pace. I haven’t had a full core quiver bevor I got the pace. And i personally really like the feeling and handling about the kite. But it’s all about personal preference I think. As a normal person it’s hard to try multiple kites in various sizes and conditions to find the best one. But I’m exited to try other kites, and maybe my progression is way more advanced with other kites. Great and honest review! 🚀We still shouldn’t forget that we are talking about a high performance kite and it’s still outperforming the “standard” kites on the market.
@@FinnLiii thanks for your feedback, it’s great to hear from all sides, and that’s why I got Dave to weigh in because he’s been improving like crazy on his Pace too!
Hello Jason, good review, i like all your test. I think you must test the 8m Core pace. it´s totally different kite to the larger sizes. Much more playfull. 😊
@@jenslorsbach So far the bulk of the positive feedback I’m getting is that the 10 is the best size, or the 6 for doubles. I think compared to the other 8’s I’ve ridden the lack of power would be frustrating for me as a big rider to be honest.
Small world. Darkslide Dave is our Utah, USA local boy! Not that we see him much at our local spot, given his far flung adventures. 😂 How’s that Rebel d-lab review coming? Cheers for another thorough review!
@@jasonofmontreal Also interested in your opinion and comparison here. Flown it twice, pretty new duotone feeling caused by that 10psi stiffness/directness
I did actually try the Naish Pivot Nvision but didn't get a lot of time on it, it's more of an all around kite than big air focussed model so not really my specialty
@@jasonofmontreal yeah its not a big air kite, Stig is using it in comps though and makes it work! But there’s also Psycho Nvision which is a definitely big air oriented!
Crazy I had the exact opposite experience! Started phasing out my older quiver of 23' norths after a single session on a 10m pace. My orbits literally feel brutal in comparison. But I also love the Jaime sls so what do I know 🙃
Lot's of people love the Jaime, and this kite too... different strokes for different folks. I have heard from numerous people that the 10 is the size of choice for the pace
Felt the same on the heli loop, used a 6m pace pro and it was soooo hard to land even regular jumps sometimes, The 6m nitro landed everything super easy, and even gave me extra boost moments in 28-32 knots
Jason please if you manage to get your hands on a new Ozone Enduro V5 seems it's now more aimed to big air and kite loop! Someone say is very confidence inspiring and even better than the Vortex!
I don't think it will be better than the edge or vortex for big air... it's a multi-discipline kite that is great for wave riding and freestyle too so it will be ok, but not a big air specialist I would imagine.
@@jasonofmontreal yes is multidiscipline, but with this new V5 they have taken away some freestyle DNA, to put inside jumping and looping DNA from the Vortex... could be a good contender! (like the EVO is not the Dice or the the Rebel anyway...) Also you get it in Freestyle "mode" or Wave "mode" only changing the trim manually on the bridles... in the "standard mode" is freeride, jumping and looping!
Thank you very much for the review! I'm currently searching for an aluula kite to purchase in 8m, but this video helps me not to put effort to test it somehow, because I'm pretty sure now, it's not my type of kite.
@@jasonofmontreal of course, but somehow it’s always hard to test a kite🫤 I wanted to emphasize that I won’t put much effort to organize a demo session. I will for the NXT🤓
@jasonofmontreal superb reviews all round, great!! Would be nice to pick your brains on the smaller sizes of orbit pros finding them challenging compared to my 9,11
Same feeling i had, i like that it is a fast looping kite, but has shitty low end and if you are not interesting in duoble loops you should have only bigger sizes 10/12m2. Better get corer xr pro for 7/8m2 size. Most anoying part was the downloops you really need to sheet out your bar to do a wide heliloop unless you will hurt your knees. Overall great kite, but for that amount of money is not balanced enough and it has more cons than pros.
Hello Im travelling to NZ in february for 5 weeks. Mostly im going to sightsee and amdire the nature but im taking my equipment with me Do you have any recommendations for nice kite spots ? Also do you do some big air lessons ? Would be greatful for some information Keep up the good work 🙌
There is not a lot of wind in Auckland in Feb for big air sadly, Wellington tends to get stronger stuff in summer months. If you msg me closer to time I’ll send some suggestions
Has to be fully powered, if you want a kite you can use in mid to low end get the xr pro, You need 1 to 2m bigger than you would usually pick in xr pro,
@@jasonofmontreal I switch down to my 10m pace at around 30kt, 20 to 30kt 12m pace, Great kites for learning loops, but do need much better timing than the xr pro, 10m pace loops better and catches better than 8m xr pro, and the most friendly loop, no yanking, very confident inspiring once you get use to the super fast stearin, I had them since the very first were sent out, having been on the xr6, xr7, xr8 and xr pro before it did take me several sessions to get use to and realise how much wind they need, Ps yes you do need to heli loop for soft landing’s compared to an xr,
This kite is so fast that the 8m I’ve seen in 30/35kn seemed a kite carved by giel himself, it’s like a three strut ocean rodeo rise, so it’s even faster…. This is the proper kite for a very proficient rider that wanna double loop 7 or 8 and wanna a 11/12 or even bigger kite to single loop. For my use the orbit9pro remain king
I only take my 9m xr out when is at least 25 knots and gusting 35+ and thats only being 79kg, anything from 18-20 knots gusting up to 30 im on my 11m xr, cant think of people being 85+ kg using a 9m in less than 30 knots 😢😢😢
@jasonofmontreal Well that's true. Progression is optimal between 20 - 30 knots, but straight boosting adrenaline is 30+ I'll say it depends on what's you mood for the day tbh
Not pertaining to kiting at all - Is your dog a Cavapoo? They are the Aluula of dog breeds! LOL I love ours! That stack at 18:30.....holy shit I bet that hurt.
Chewy is indeed a Cavoodle/Cavapoo, you will see her a lot on my Woo session photos, or instagram stories likely stealing my better drives at disc golf
Ballsy review which ignores the hype. That's why we love ya
My DM's are full of dozens of comments that kind of mirror the vibes... but of course, a lot of people love it too, so was very challenging one for sure.
💯!
@@collegepros😂
Rare honesty you dont get from other reviews ! Excellent video 👍
@@qatarmx thanks
By far best reviews on the interweb, thanks Jason
cheers
Great review, mate!
I’ve been using this kite for about 4 months now, and I have to say, while it was challenging to get used to at first, it’s quickly become my favorite kite.
Here’s my personal breakdown:
• Looping: 9+
• Fun factor: 8
• Air style/Old school: 7
• Confidence: 9+ (Coming from an XR8!)
Honestly, once you get the hang of it, this kite really stands out!
That's great to hear
Thanks for the review! However, it confirms to me just how much you need to test gear rather than go by other people's opinion (granted, this is easier said than done 😊). I have tested the 10m, and the experience was hugely positive (a very reassuring kite). I do agree that the low end is not as powerful as other kites, but the wind range is immense and I could hold it down comfortably in 33knts - 85Kg. All the best 👍
@@gavinhopkins7769 Great to hear, as mentioned in the review, the larger sizes (10 & 12) are Dave’s preferred sizes too
@@jasonofmontreal Yep, I prefer to ride the paces lit relative to other kites. Not a fan of the low end but the 10 and 12m Pace are all time when I have the proper power.
Great review, please continue to be not biased reviewer! That’s why we come here for, thanks😊
cheers
From your review, this kite is the Marmite of kites. I enjoy your reviews as they are honest, and you do point out your own bias in the reviews.
@@normanh5052 marmite goes great on a mouse trap
@@jasonofmontreal 😄
amazing as usual !
THanks
Great honest review as always. Thanks for including my feedback. While riding with you in New Zealand, I really came to understand the value of taking the time out of your normal training routine to test other brands. I bought the Core Paces recently with the goal of getting more height on all of my tricks. While my technique is probably the biggest drawback to my height, I did feel like all my tricks went higher by 30% during the last few months in Brazil, than they did on my standard orbits. Still not sure if other brands would give me the height that I want and also be easier to progress on. I did absolutely love the 10 and 12M Paces in every area compared to all other brands I have ridden in those sizes.
@@DaveAxle1 thanks for the help with the review
Awesome review like always.
@@MrSpanishPeanuts thanks
Great and honest review one again !
Are you finally crowdfund to get a hand on those new gong kites?
Can be really interesting as those price tags can be pretty disruptive on the market
@@nicobrog unfortunately we’ve had so little wind lately I’m about 4-5 kites behind at the moment, so I’ll get onto that once I get through these
No one would want to hear that their big investment doesn't deliver as hyped as crazy. Thanks for the review and for not being afraid of screaming that the king is naked.
It's important to recognise that some people love this kite as well, it's good that there are all different styles for different riders.
Right, if you need to get used to the kite for me it's not a good kite. No matter on how much performance you can get, confidence is very important, that's why I stick to orbits. They just give me unmatched loop confidence in high winds. ❤❤
@@gansmaier3994 good point
@@gansmaier3994 The loop confidence is what I felt, and liked, with the Pace Pro 10m
@@gavinhopkins7769 if its hard to get the heliloop right? I can time the catching loop on the orbit so that I will Land with close to Zero speed. If a kite is too fast that's not a benefit on the catch. Same thing with my old 8m Bandit 2015. I could just not get it to slow me down. I liked the loops, but in high Winds it was a gamble and a crash was likely
Thanks for the great review as always!
No worries!
Great honest review, thank you for your work 😊
@@guillaumecalvar3148 no problem
great review as usual. thanks for your work
@@unkasgemmeker2588 no problem
Another very good straight Kite review, great work Jason🤗 For me a big plus because reviews from team members or shops are allways the same hymn of praise...💰🤑 I enyoyed all your reviews and now i am very happy with my orbits + atmos hybrid🥰🤙
Thanks
Many thanks for your honesty! it is necessary to check the XR PRO in my opinion, the kite has not been finalized in a year of use! since they just sewed it from alula and did not change anything in the design ..
I tried for months to get hold of an XR Pro, but as we don't have Core in NZ, it's just too hard to sadly.
@@jasonofmontreal In the XR PRO 12 size I was able to land with double loops from a height of 9 meters, I can admit that this is his highest achievement, there is a video on my channel, but the mega heavy bar and the lower limit in the wind discourage me from using it! On your advice I bought the EVO D/LAB 10 and started to progress in the ratings THANKS!!!!
@@olegta4581 happy to help
Not all that glitters is gold! - Great review
@@belledetector different strokes for different folks though too!
Love the honest review 👍 Next up Rebel DLAB? And is there gonna be a review for the Cabrinha Moto X Designworks, i believe you rode that one for at least a couple sessions right? Considering how well the Nitro performs that might be interesting aswell. Cheers
They’re both just waiting on the wind!
Top reviews again! Although i have been opening youtube every day for over a month just to see if you have posted a rebel dlab review i surely also enjoyed this one. Although i have already ordered the rebels i am still most curious what Jason thinks of it, great that apparently many people including myself rate your reviews so highly, great work!
@@Leonvanbergen thanks mate, I just got some rebels recently so hopefully coming soon with wind permitting
I switched from North Orbit Pro to the Pace after testing it. I cant agree on the critics. Yes, the bar pressure is higher, besides that the Kite does everything better then the Orbit in terms of Low End, Speerd, High End, Lift and Response time.
Maybe the NXT or DLab are better, but definitely not an Orbit with Dacron. But every Person is different and this shows that it is even more important to test the kites rather on relying on tests.
Thanks for the honest opinion!
As mentioned in the review, Dave’s been really happy with his swap too
Im loving this kite, even tho it is challenging. The takeoff needs to be on point. But I would say progression wise it’s been almost 4 months of pure progression. Due to the price and our local wind I’ve a range of 7,10,12m pace. I haven’t had a full core quiver bevor I got the pace. And i personally really like the feeling and handling about the kite. But it’s all about personal preference I think. As a normal person it’s hard to try multiple kites in various sizes and conditions to find the best one. But I’m exited to try other kites, and maybe my progression is way more advanced with other kites.
Great and honest review! 🚀We still shouldn’t forget that we are talking about a high performance kite and it’s still outperforming the “standard” kites on the market.
@@FinnLiii thanks for your feedback, it’s great to hear from all sides, and that’s why I got Dave to weigh in because he’s been improving like crazy on his Pace too!
Hello Jason, good review, i like all your test. I think you must test the 8m Core pace. it´s totally different kite to the larger sizes. Much more playfull. 😊
@@jenslorsbach So far the bulk of the positive feedback I’m getting is that the 10 is the best size, or the 6 for doubles. I think compared to the other 8’s I’ve ridden the lack of power would be frustrating for me as a big rider to be honest.
Small world. Darkslide Dave is our Utah, USA local boy! Not that we see him much at our local spot, given his far flung adventures. 😂
How’s that Rebel d-lab review coming?
Cheers for another thorough review!
I still haven't flown it... but it is sitting in the garage waiting for wind
@@jasonofmontreal Also interested in your opinion and comparison here. Flown it twice, pretty new duotone feeling caused by that 10psi stiffness/directness
@@lifeondemand6950 I’ve always pumped my kites up to 10+ 😂
Small world indeed. I recognized the name and it seems like I shared some sessions on the lesser known spot in Taiwan with him once or twice 😅
@@danekszy yeah hes also been there in his kite travels
Best kite reviews on youtube! Would love to see some Naish Nvision reviews.
I did actually try the Naish Pivot Nvision but didn't get a lot of time on it, it's more of an all around kite than big air focussed model so not really my specialty
@@jasonofmontreal yeah its not a big air kite, Stig is using it in comps though and makes it work! But there’s also Psycho Nvision which is a definitely big air oriented!
@@pedrozunino we don’t have Naish in New Zealand so they’re a bit hard to get hold of
Crazy I had the exact opposite experience! Started phasing out my older quiver of 23' norths after a single session on a 10m pace. My orbits literally feel brutal in comparison. But I also love the Jaime sls so what do I know 🙃
Lot's of people love the Jaime, and this kite too... different strokes for different folks. I have heard from numerous people that the 10 is the size of choice for the pace
Felt the same on the heli loop, used a 6m pace pro and it was soooo hard to land even regular jumps sometimes,
The 6m nitro landed everything super easy, and even gave me extra boost moments in 28-32 knots
And i got to try some S loops
@@tomgsand172thanks for the feedback
Jason please if you manage to get your hands on a new Ozone Enduro V5 seems it's now more aimed to big air and kite loop!
Someone say is very confidence inspiring and even better than the Vortex!
I don't think it will be better than the edge or vortex for big air... it's a multi-discipline kite that is great for wave riding and freestyle too so it will be ok, but not a big air specialist I would imagine.
@@jasonofmontreal yes is multidiscipline, but with this new V5 they have taken away some freestyle DNA, to put inside jumping and looping DNA from the Vortex... could be a good contender! (like the EVO is not the Dice or the the Rebel anyway...)
Also you get it in Freestyle "mode" or Wave "mode" only changing the trim manually on the bridles... in the "standard mode" is freeride, jumping and looping!
Thank you very much for the review! I'm currently searching for an aluula kite to purchase in 8m, but this video helps me not to put effort to test it somehow, because I'm pretty sure now, it's not my type of kite.
@@billionairemind6782 no worries, but it’s still worth a try if you get the chance to demo
@@jasonofmontreal of course, but somehow it’s always hard to test a kite🫤 I wanted to emphasize that I won’t put much effort to organize a demo session. I will for the NXT🤓
Great honesty on a kite that's 5 years behind Orbits 😉
@@lauriefairbairn128 this is certainly higher performance than your standard orbit, but arguably more challenging to use depending on your level
@jasonofmontreal superb reviews all round, great!! Would be nice to pick your brains on the smaller sizes of orbit pros finding them challenging compared to my 9,11
@@lauriefairbairn128 I’ve hardly flown any of them sorry, I’ve tried the 2023 orbit 8m, and the ultra in the 8m size
Will you be reviewing the Core XR Pro? Or did I miss it in a Separate review?😆
No I didn’t, I tried for months, but couldn’t get hold of one
Thanks for the honest review! I tried it myself and was disappointed compared to my evo d/lab.
@@tabadiiiiii that’s certainly a hard benchmark to live up to
Yeah, but the evo has been on the market for two years or so and the gap seemed huge to me.
Its also made for double loops! At least thats what Giel always tells me 😂
He’d know 😂
Do you think the kites come up small then? i.e the 9 being closer to an 8 in terms of speed and lowend? Great review.
Dave and I seemed to feel that way... and I believe Mike Mcd did a video saying if you were going from XR's, go up an equivalent size for your pace
Same feeling i had, i like that it is a fast looping kite, but has shitty low end and if you are not interesting in duoble loops you should have only bigger sizes 10/12m2. Better get corer xr pro for 7/8m2 size. Most anoying part was the downloops you really need to sheet out your bar to do a wide heliloop unless you will hurt your knees. Overall great kite, but for that amount of money is not balanced enough and it has more cons than pros.
@@mariusbalu6946 thanks for the feedback
hey jason thanks as always for the review. what mount do you use for your gopro?
@@bulut3731 just the fat orange floaty, I bite the foam
Did Dave survive that crash☠️😅
@@hugo.wigglesworth I think so… or his drone pilot has been taking over his phone to send me a lot of memes…
haha, barely! Kicked that board off just in time. Rotations are still really challenging for me. Old dogs, new tricks type of thing. ;)
Hello
Im travelling to NZ in february for 5 weeks. Mostly im going to sightsee and amdire the nature but im taking my equipment with me
Do you have any recommendations for nice kite spots ? Also do you do some big air lessons ?
Would be greatful for some information
Keep up the good work 🙌
There is not a lot of wind in Auckland in Feb for big air sadly, Wellington tends to get stronger stuff in summer months. If you msg me closer to time I’ll send some suggestions
Hi
Any comment regarding the new bar? I mean after test driving it.
Thanks in advance!
@@c.l.4959 I talk about the new bar in this video… there’s a section on it
@@jasonofmontreal thanks, sorry I must have missed it. I was looking for it at the end of the video
@@c.l.4959 like 5 mins in
Has to be fully powered, if you want a kite you can use in mid to low end get the xr pro,
You need 1 to 2m bigger than you would usually pick in xr pro,
@@vikingh3008 So I hear, but I was still on a 9m in 30-35 knots at times, it’s hard to imagine going to 10m for that
@@jasonofmontreal I switch down to my 10m pace at around 30kt, 20 to 30kt 12m pace,
Great kites for learning loops, but do need much better timing than the xr pro,
10m pace loops better and catches better than 8m xr pro, and the most friendly loop, no yanking, very confident inspiring once you get use to the super fast stearin,
I had them since the very first were sent out, having been on the xr6, xr7, xr8 and xr pro before it did take me several sessions to get use to and realise how much wind they need,
Ps yes you do need to heli loop for soft landing’s compared to an xr,
@@vikingh3008 as I mentioned, some ppl just love the core feeling and will of course find this kite a lot easier to adapt to, glad you’re enjoying it
This kite is so fast that the 8m I’ve seen in 30/35kn seemed a kite carved by giel himself, it’s like a three strut ocean rodeo rise, so it’s even faster…. This is the proper kite for a very proficient rider that wanna double loop 7 or 8 and wanna a 11/12 or even bigger kite to single loop.
For my use the orbit9pro remain king
Yeah it certainly is a double loop machine!
Core sploosh legacy 🐳🐳🐳
You have to keep in mind that there will be a lot of Core riders out there who love the feel of this kite even if its not my preference
I only take my 9m xr out when is at least 25 knots and gusting 35+ and thats only being 79kg, anything from 18-20 knots gusting up to 30 im on my 11m xr, cant think of people being 85+ kg using a 9m in less than 30 knots 😢😢😢
I find my big air trick progression sweet spot is a 9m in 25-30 knots. Everyone has a little different style I guess.
@jasonofmontreal Well that's true. Progression is optimal between 20 - 30 knots, but straight boosting adrenaline is 30+ I'll say it depends on what's you mood for the day tbh
@@Cheoz0r86 for sure, I jump a lot higher on an 8m in 30 knots than a 10m in 30 knots though
Not pertaining to kiting at all - Is your dog a Cavapoo?
They are the Aluula of dog breeds! LOL
I love ours!
That stack at 18:30.....holy shit I bet that hurt.
Chewy is indeed a Cavoodle/Cavapoo, you will see her a lot on my Woo session photos, or instagram stories likely stealing my better drives at disc golf
18:20
😂
Core always overhyped
@@ridewithandrei they certainly have a loyal fan base though
@@jasonofmontreal feels like they still follow an old design philosophy
@@ridewithandrei if they like it and have fun, (and jump high asf), that's the main thing