Hey Man Thanks for uploading in english. My Italian is much worse than your english could ever be! Greetings from germany. I appreciate being able to understand what you're talking about. so I'd like to encourage you to do more videos in english.
Your English is better than mine partner, and im Canadian lol. This was mondo helpful, thanks so much for uploading, and thanks extra for doing this in English!
Excellent video. Have you ever tried adding a trigger to your low volume cymbals ? Maybe a mixture of an underlying sample being triggered with the additional sound/feel from the metal cymbal may make a good experiment
No, I have not tried that, this could be interesting at all, in terms of spending less possible and have the mix of real e triggered sounds, nice suggestion, thanks!
Thank you very much! Suggestion for you, I found out that this 14 HH is a bit too highFreq gained, so I’m planning to buy a new set to use 16” creases as a new hi hat , this may let the HH sound be better!
Thanks Rudy. Great video. I'm trying a configuration with four dynamic. The hi hat and the ride from below, and the crashes from above. All positioned as near as possible the bells.
These are all good experiments, pay attention to that strange echoes of “metallic” vibrations, it’s super crap, but I’m constantly trying many different position and configurations! Keep up the good work!
Interesting video and thanks for doing it in English. A couple of things : - reading the video title, i expected an acoustic drum kit with low volume cymbals, not an e-kit... You should update the video title to state that it is for an e-kit. - In all configurations, the cymbals sound very tiny and weird. We can hear them sure, but they will sound weird in a full mix i think. Have you done any processing to them in Reaper or are they raw ? The full mix is the only thing that matters by the way, so you should try (and post results) examples in a full mix context, including live, where you will have bleed also from guitars, bass, vocals, PA... - One type of miking you've not tried and that make more sense in your case and would be worth trying is UNDERMIKING the cymbals, which is what a lot of bands do with acoustic drums live when they have their own mics and stands and clamps and whatnots. You get good cymbal separation, and less of the room sound and the stage bleed. 1 mic per cymbal would be the best in your case. I guess condenser mics are optimal for this but you can still try with cheaper mics like SM57s... Maybe it will work just fine.
Thanks! These are all very good suggestions and thoughts that I'll keep for the future! I'm using this sort of hybrid kit with electronics and low volume cymbals in small venues or places that have very bad environment like lots of windows and glasses everywhere, this is super good in my opinion! In this specific video I did not make any process on the result, of course these cymbals have lots of highs and some weird resonance in the mid due to the holes, so one thing I do live is to add some reverb and delay to make the result more similar to a real cymbal, in studio, to record some preproduction, I put some pitch shifter and detune like 2 or 3 tones to make even closer to what a real cymbal should sound like. That are the basic ideas I'm using!
Great video, thanks for making this! I like the cymbals with these mics especially in the various stereo configurations. I hope my Evans DB One cymbals / heads sound cool mic'd as well, fingers crossed!
Sounds great man! I think I like 3 and 4 the most. I did a similar thing with a low volume hi hat, roland kt-10, and avatar pd-705. It was small enough to fit in my closet! I just dangled an SM57 over the hats and mixed it to taste with addictive/ggd. I want to do another iteration with a better module and add a few more cymbals to the setup. I think I could be okay still using pads for my crashes but I'm so over tweaking settings for rides and hi-hats. I'd totally play a show with a setup like this. I appreciate you doing this video in English cause you're right about there not being much on this subject.
Thanks so much! Yeah that’s the reason why I did that in English, I tried to find something but I couldn’t find anything about, so I did it! By the way I played a lot this summer using this configuration, and it works great, even sound guys in clubs and venue are impressed because they could manage volume easy and let the people enjoy the show without any ear issues 😂, this means more show to come!
Hey!!! I think this kit could will last more than a few years, BUT, it’s surely fragile, so for people that have to travel a lot, I highly suggest to have case and to travel with a safety space for that instrument!
L'ultima configurazione sembra quella migliore secondo me, i dinamici prendono i transienti ma meno l'ambiente, a occhio ci sono meno problemi di fase. Sarebbe interessante provare a lavorare i suoni che arrivano dai microfoni per cercare di dargli più corpo. Sarebbe possibile in futuro avere gli wav dei canali in modo da poterli mettere in una daw e lavorarli come si fa in studio? Rimane il fatto che questa idea è davvero molto avanti, anche perchè consente di portare una batteria credibile in ambienti che fino ad oggi non consentivano l'uso di uno strumento acustico dal volume così potente.
Ottima idea! Certamente potrei mettere a disposizioni i file che ho usato per il video! Davvero interessante, anzi.. potrei coinvolgere alcuni colleghi, tempo permettendo per fargli fare delle prove! Prossimo video! Grazie del suggerimento! E grazie come sempre del supporto!
@@RudyMariani ma figurati, alla fine è una cosa che chiunque usi una daw e suoni la batteria vorrebbe provare, e se uno si può fare un'anteprima di massima sa già che risultato può ottenere con un sistema che comunque costa 1/4 di qualsiasi altro
Ciao Vorrei acquistare la mos 1000 per suonare in casa Ma mi frena la risposte del charleston e dei Piatti La soluzione che hai adottato tu va ad incidere sul budget finale …. Sarebbe bene prender la millenium ibrida e poi mettere i microfoni? Che dici?
they just sound sooooo empty.. hi-passed into oblivion.. I probably would not use that configuration for mic'ing.. I have a hard time believing they'd sound this thin if you mic them differently.
Yeah, what do you think about live situation, where you cannot have an huge wall of sound or even in small venue, I’m gonna try that in a couple of weeks. I guess it could be more acceptable than a recording.
@@RudyMariani I think it’s probably just one of those things where I’d try to find a way to get a mic closer To make the proximity effect stronger so it’s fuller sounding Or at least - that is to say - if experiment with placement so that it sounds more full. They aren’t traditional cymbals so mic’ing them probably wouldn’t be the same. Of course - you could probably eq a bit so they get more full - or maybe there is a processing box or something to bus it through that can excite the low end freqs.. Just can’t imagine that it’s THAT empty down in the low end of those cymbals LOL And in person - with your ears- they probably sound a lot fuller. So it’s probably a placement thing. Thanks for the video! Love the kit setup - this hybrid bit is the future - you’re the trailblazer. I have an e-kit that I’m working with and I’m considering getting low volume cymbals - but I gotta figure this bit out. I also wanna make it JUST as consistent as the e-kit. Maybe it’s those mics that clamp on to shells - except, maybe we gotta clamp them to the cymbal stand underneath the cymbal to get really close.
The only think to consider regarding placement is that if you put the mics close to the cymbals, the sound you’ll have is a bit distorted due to the fact the the holes let the sound goes underneath the cymbals, so you’ll have some sort of “waves distorted” that stands more than 2 or 3 seconds, that’s why I’m always experimenting with mic’ing , however thanks so much!
@@RudyMariani I’m with ya mate!! 💪🏻 I’d love to get this hybrid thing rolling good! In reality - I really only ever have a problem with the digital hi hats. The cymbals are usually decent. They just don’t look the part. But the hi hats don’t ever feel or trigger 100%.
Very good english and explanation dude. Thanks!
Hey Man Thanks for uploading in english. My Italian is much worse than your english could ever be! Greetings from germany. I appreciate being able to understand what you're talking about. so I'd like to encourage you to do more videos in english.
Glad you said it! Thanks so much, I appreciate! I’ll surely do!
Your English is better than mine partner, and im Canadian lol.
This was mondo helpful, thanks so much for uploading, and thanks extra for doing this in English!
Excellent video. Have you ever tried adding a trigger to your low volume cymbals ? Maybe a mixture of an underlying sample being triggered with the additional sound/feel from the metal cymbal may make a good experiment
No, I have not tried that, this could be interesting at all, in terms of spending less possible and have the mix of real e triggered sounds, nice suggestion, thanks!
Thank you. Information what i needed. I'm planning to mic a low volume hihat. Excellent playing.
Thank you very much! Suggestion for you, I found out that this 14 HH is a bit too highFreq gained, so I’m planning to buy a new set to use 16” creases as a new hi hat , this may let the HH sound be better!
Thanks Rudy. Great video. I'm trying a configuration with four dynamic. The hi hat and the ride from below, and the crashes from above. All positioned as near as possible the bells.
These are all good experiments, pay attention to that strange echoes of “metallic” vibrations, it’s super crap, but I’m constantly trying many different position and configurations! Keep up the good work!
Interesting video and thanks for doing it in English.
A couple of things :
- reading the video title, i expected an acoustic drum kit with low volume cymbals, not an e-kit...
You should update the video title to state that it is for an e-kit.
- In all configurations, the cymbals sound very tiny and weird. We can hear them sure, but they will sound weird in a full mix i think.
Have you done any processing to them in Reaper or are they raw ?
The full mix is the only thing that matters by the way, so you should try (and post results) examples in a full mix context, including live, where you will have bleed also from guitars, bass, vocals, PA...
- One type of miking you've not tried and that make more sense in your case and would be worth trying is UNDERMIKING the cymbals, which is what a lot of bands do with acoustic drums live when they have their own mics and stands and clamps and whatnots.
You get good cymbal separation, and less of the room sound and the stage bleed.
1 mic per cymbal would be the best in your case. I guess condenser mics are optimal for this but you can still try with cheaper mics like SM57s... Maybe it will work just fine.
Thanks! These are all very good suggestions and thoughts that I'll keep for the future!
I'm using this sort of hybrid kit with electronics and low volume cymbals in small venues or places that have very bad environment like lots of windows and glasses everywhere, this is super good in my opinion!
In this specific video I did not make any process on the result, of course these cymbals have lots of highs and some weird resonance in the mid due to the holes, so one thing I do live is to add some reverb and delay to make the result more similar to a real cymbal, in studio, to record some preproduction, I put some pitch shifter and detune like 2 or 3 tones to make even closer to what a real cymbal should sound like. That are the basic ideas I'm using!
@@RudyMariani "I put some pitch shifter and detune like 2 or 3 tones to make even closer to what a real cymbal should sound like"
Wow ! Interesting !
Great video, thanks for making this! I like the cymbals with these mics especially in the various stereo configurations. I hope my Evans DB One cymbals / heads sound cool mic'd as well, fingers crossed!
Hope for you too!!! Let me know!!!
Sounds great man! I think I like 3 and 4 the most. I did a similar thing with a low volume hi hat, roland kt-10, and avatar pd-705. It was small enough to fit in my closet! I just dangled an SM57 over the hats and mixed it to taste with addictive/ggd. I want to do another iteration with a better module and add a few more cymbals to the setup. I think I could be okay still using pads for my crashes but I'm so over tweaking settings for rides and hi-hats. I'd totally play a show with a setup like this. I appreciate you doing this video in English cause you're right about there not being much on this subject.
Thanks so much! Yeah that’s the reason why I did that in English, I tried to find something but I couldn’t find anything about, so I did it! By the way I played a lot this summer using this configuration, and it works great, even sound guys in clubs and venue are impressed because they could manage volume easy and let the people enjoy the show without any ear issues 😂, this means more show to come!
👍👍
Hey again!
How long do you think this kit will last without giving you any issues other than the hi hats.
A few years perhaps?
Gracie!
Hey!!! I think this kit could will last more than a few years, BUT, it’s surely fragile, so for people that have to travel a lot, I highly suggest to have case and to travel with a safety space for that instrument!
Great information, i have been thinking doing the same. Are you getting any delay between hitting pads and sound coming from laptop?
L'ultima configurazione sembra quella migliore secondo me, i dinamici prendono i transienti ma meno l'ambiente, a occhio ci sono meno problemi di fase.
Sarebbe interessante provare a lavorare i suoni che arrivano dai microfoni per cercare di dargli più corpo.
Sarebbe possibile in futuro avere gli wav dei canali in modo da poterli mettere in una daw e lavorarli come si fa in studio?
Rimane il fatto che questa idea è davvero molto avanti, anche perchè consente di portare una batteria credibile in ambienti che fino ad oggi non consentivano l'uso di uno strumento acustico dal volume così potente.
Ottima idea! Certamente potrei mettere a disposizioni i file che ho usato per il video! Davvero interessante, anzi.. potrei coinvolgere alcuni colleghi, tempo permettendo per fargli fare delle prove! Prossimo video! Grazie del suggerimento!
E grazie come sempre del supporto!
@@RudyMariani ma figurati, alla fine è una cosa che chiunque usi una daw e suoni la batteria vorrebbe provare, e se uno si può fare un'anteprima di massima sa già che risultato può ottenere con un sistema che comunque costa 1/4 di qualsiasi altro
Ecco si, un’altra cosa importante è proprio quella di avere un setup che costa “poco” e che consenta un risultato professionale!
thank you for a video
thank you for this, and for the record, actually you speak English very well, better than me hahaha yo hablo español en realidad.
Thank you very much! I appreciate that so much!
Ciao
Vorrei acquistare la mos 1000 per suonare in casa
Ma mi frena la risposte del charleston e dei
Piatti
La soluzione che hai adottato tu va ad incidere sul budget finale ….
Sarebbe bene prender la millenium ibrida e poi mettere i microfoni?
Che dici?
they just sound sooooo empty.. hi-passed into oblivion.. I probably would not use that configuration for mic'ing.. I have a hard time believing they'd sound this thin if you mic them differently.
Yeah, what do you think about live situation, where you cannot have an huge wall of sound or even in small venue, I’m gonna try that in a couple of weeks. I guess it could be more acceptable than a recording.
@@RudyMariani I think it’s probably just one of those things where I’d try to find a way to get a mic closer To make the proximity effect stronger so it’s fuller sounding
Or at least - that is to say - if experiment with placement so that it sounds more full.
They aren’t traditional cymbals so mic’ing them probably wouldn’t be the same.
Of course - you could probably eq a bit so they get more full - or maybe there is a processing box or something to bus it through that can excite the low end freqs..
Just can’t imagine that it’s THAT empty down in the low end of those cymbals LOL
And in person - with your ears- they probably sound a lot fuller. So it’s probably a placement thing.
Thanks for the video! Love the kit setup - this hybrid bit is the future - you’re the trailblazer.
I have an e-kit that I’m working with and I’m considering getting low volume cymbals - but I gotta figure this bit out.
I also wanna make it JUST as consistent as the e-kit.
Maybe it’s those mics that clamp on to shells - except, maybe we gotta clamp them to the cymbal stand underneath the cymbal to get really close.
The only think to consider regarding placement is that if you put the mics close to the cymbals, the sound you’ll have is a bit distorted due to the fact the the holes let the sound goes underneath the cymbals, so you’ll have some sort of “waves distorted” that stands more than 2 or 3 seconds, that’s why I’m always experimenting with mic’ing , however thanks so much!
@@RudyMariani I’m with ya mate!! 💪🏻
I’d love to get this hybrid thing rolling good! In reality - I really only ever have a problem with the digital hi hats.
The cymbals are usually decent. They just don’t look the part.
But the hi hats don’t ever feel or trigger 100%.
Exactly, if you gotta do some difficult pattern from open to close, in 16th notes or stuff like that, you’ll miss some trigger for sure!