Running different tires seems like a mistake. I get it, but you've introduced another variable, which you agree makes them feel different, when having the same tires (how they came) would level this out more. Certainly on the timed runs.
I have the Enduro build. I added some Cush core to the stock tires (Dissectors) and rip it down the black diamonds here in the PNW with no issues. Perfect bike.
I turned my GT Sensor into a mini GT Force via aftermarket upgrades- essentially a 140mm enduro bike. It’s cool how these modern ‘in between’ bikes take so well to either mode of setup
I just got the 429 trail build brunch ride and it’s amazing. I’m not small 6’3 235lbs and it is thee funnest bike I’ve ever ridden. It is simply a rocket. My other bike is a 22 Stumpjumper evo expert while that bike is also great it doesn’t reward you like the 429 does.
Love this bike!! I put a Pike to split the difference in efficiency, weight and downhill prowess and love it. I got the Team xtr which sheds some weight and I’m just a little over 27.5lbs. Best of both worlds. Hopefully Pivot or Fox will come out with that in between 35mm fork. For now I’m extremely happy
great video. I ended up acquiring an enduro 429 from a friend. I think I would have preferred the standard trail 429 but at the time the enduro was the best deal I could get. with how I ride I don’t think I would notice much of a difference between them. I always thought it was interesting they decided to have an “enduro” version with beefed up suspension but still 120mm of travel in the shock. seems a little silly but what do I know.
The biggest problem with low spec build is that it just breaks down and wears out super fast. Then you go and buy the higher spec, over priced parts. (Exactly as intended by the big players in the bike industry.) Low tier (shitmano) brakes will break levers etc everytime you crash. Each time needing to be thrown away and replaced. Low tier drivetrains will wear out in a season. Wearing out derailer pulleys, wearing out cassettes. Wearing out the interface between the casssete/hub. Again, needing to be replaced with new in short time. Low spec suspension isn't so much a reliability issue, and if you are happy to just ride can be done economically. But like everything, want features then pay double or tripple.
Both of these bikes are more than capable of doing whatever you need it to do I really like the enduro bike better here but wouldn’t be mad if I were riding the 429 trail pivot is my favorite bike brand
I have a Trail 429 v3 (this model) and have built it up Enduro (ish) originally I upgraded the Fox 34 to 140mm with a DSD Runt (great) and just updated the fork to RS Pike 140mm with RC2 damper. It’s lighter than the Fox 36 and Fox 34 and def is more stout than the 34. I also upgraded to the Super Deluxe Ultimate and honestly I like the Fox Float better. The stock tune on the Super Deluxe ultimate is way too light and I get a ton of pedal bob and it bottoms out way too much. Should be noted I’m 276lbs soooo there is that.
I have both trail and enduro. The trail bike is good on tight descending and climbs good. Enduro is like a slow climber but gives you stability on descending. Both are fun actually
I have the Enduro build, swapped to Ohlins with WAO Convergence Triads on Hydras, Conti Kryptotal Enduro Soft, Dominion T4s with MTX reds on HS2 200mm, shaved a little weight with XX cranks and XX SL transmission, my own cockpit setup and it handles the PNW well, just get fatigued faster with less travel than my bigger bikes. But if you want something around 31 lbs and very reliable, this is going to be very hard to beat.
I'll probably be the odd man out with this, but I want the Enduro build and drop the fork to 130mm.. Being a bit heavier, I like the beefier fork, but I would like the shorter travel for my local rides..
How does the Shadowcat compare with the Trail 429? Been goin back and forth between those 2. Lovin the pink colorway for whatever reason lol It'd be the Xtr build with carbon wheels.
Shadowcat errs more on the playful side, but feels a little less efficient/doesn't carry speed as well through the rough. Both killer rigs and not a huge amount in it all things considered!
I bought a 2022 429. Great bike but I recently demoed a shadowcat. Now I wish I would’ve got the shadowcat. Too late so I got 27.5” wheels for my 429. I’ll probably be changing out shock and form at some point too. I’d go with the Shadowcat though. Such a fun bike but it’s all about if you value maneuverability over the rollover of the 29’s
This is my opinion but i don’t think the enduro version is an actual enduro bike. 160mm and up is enduro and also the ice tec rotors definitely not for enduro as i used them and they warped every time under pressure, when i switched to sram 2mm rotors instead of the 1.8mm ice tec rotors never had that problem again. Currently riding specialized enduro with 180mm front 170mm back, code ultimate brakes raceface next R handle bar and enduro carbon rims its a beast. Im 107kg with gear. I think weight definitely plays a role in travel needed as well, depending what you doing.
The enduro spec is definitely not an enduro bike, we agree. We haven’t experienced the same issues with the Ice Tec rotors though - we’ve even had them on a dh bike in a bikepark without problem.
Prices are ridiiiiiiicuuuulooouuuussss. What average Joe can afford this. I can't and i will never take a loan for a bike?!?! Hope bikemarket will get a huge reset.
It depends what you're climbing - for the steepest climbs we'd like to see it steeper, but it left us comfortable for everything else so we're not mad about it.
@@TheLoamWolf Not really just for steep climbs. Being on the mid to lower side of fitment range on the large I found myself quite hunched over even with the seat slammed forward. 77deg+ is a way more comfortable in general, I'll never go back to less.
@@TheLoamWolf Sure is! For us average sized persons the industry would seem to agree with steeper seat tubes becoming the standard. I'm sure those numbers are ok for the ones who prefer to be the bear on the mini-bike and need a lil more space.
Ultra steep STA can result in pain in the arms, shoulders and elbows. Not for everyone. I own the trail version of this bike and I like the STA as is. I find the front wheel to be planted and the climbing manners spot on. Even in steep and technical situations.
Yk it would be helpful to include metric measurements for weight as well, I have no idea wtf 5.9lbs is and I don't care to learn this moronic unit of measurement
Running different tires seems like a mistake. I get it, but you've introduced another variable, which you agree makes them feel different, when having the same tires (how they came) would level this out more. Certainly on the timed runs.
Was between the Transition Smuggler and the 429 enduro build. Ended up going with the Transition and I’m very pleased but that Pivot is dead sexy!
I would say that’s more a Downcountry vs Trail spec comparison. I wouldn’t put a bike with a 130/140mm suspension in Enduro category.
I have the Enduro build. I added some Cush core to the stock tires (Dissectors) and rip it down the black diamonds here in the PNW with no issues. Perfect bike.
Right on! Sounds like an awesome setup.
I turned my GT Sensor into a mini GT Force via aftermarket upgrades- essentially a 140mm enduro bike. It’s cool how these modern ‘in between’ bikes take so well to either mode of setup
I have a Trail 429. It has been the best bike for me.
I just got the 429 trail build brunch ride and it’s amazing. I’m not small 6’3 235lbs and it is thee funnest bike I’ve ever ridden. It is simply a rocket. My other bike is a 22 Stumpjumper evo expert while that bike is also great it doesn’t reward you like the 429 does.
Great to hear!
Love this bike!! I put a Pike to split the difference in efficiency, weight and downhill prowess and love it. I got the Team xtr which sheds some weight and I’m just a little over 27.5lbs. Best of both worlds. Hopefully Pivot or Fox will come out with that in between 35mm fork. For now I’m extremely happy
Can you do a video comparing a base build spec vs the top end? (Same travel)
This was an interesting video. Thanks for providing great content!
Absolutely! That’s a cool idea and will be lots of fun.
great video. I ended up acquiring an enduro 429 from a friend. I think I would have preferred the standard trail 429 but at the time the enduro was the best deal I could get. with how I ride I don’t think I would notice much of a difference between them. I always thought it was interesting they decided to have an “enduro” version with beefed up suspension but still 120mm of travel in the shock. seems a little silly but what do I know.
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for this!! This is on my shortlist with the switchblade for replacing my current rig.
Very welcome! Hope it helped a bit.
The biggest problem with low spec build is that it just breaks down and wears out super fast. Then you go and buy the higher spec, over priced parts. (Exactly as intended by the big players in the bike industry.)
Low tier (shitmano) brakes will break levers etc everytime you crash. Each time needing to be thrown away and replaced.
Low tier drivetrains will wear out in a season. Wearing out derailer pulleys, wearing out cassettes. Wearing out the interface between the casssete/hub. Again, needing to be replaced with new in short time.
Low spec suspension isn't so much a reliability issue, and if you are happy to just ride can be done economically. But like everything, want features then pay double or tripple.
Sick comparison, would be cool to see more head to head build offs like this!
Hell yeah, we’ll work on it 🫡
Both of these bikes are more than capable of doing whatever you need it to do I really like the enduro bike better here but wouldn’t be mad if I were riding the 429 trail pivot is my favorite bike brand
They are very incredible machines all around.
I have a Trail 429 v3 (this model) and have built it up Enduro (ish) originally I upgraded the Fox 34 to 140mm with a DSD Runt (great) and just updated the fork to RS Pike 140mm with RC2 damper. It’s lighter than the Fox 36 and Fox 34 and def is more stout than the 34. I also upgraded to the Super Deluxe Ultimate and honestly I like the Fox Float better. The stock tune on the Super Deluxe ultimate is way too light and I get a ton of pedal bob and it bottoms out way too much. Should be noted I’m 276lbs soooo there is that.
So as you´ve ridden both:
Scor 2030 or the 429?
I am an all out Pivot fanboy but the 2030 looks also very appealing to me
I have both trail and enduro. The trail bike is good on tight descending and climbs good. Enduro is like a slow climber but gives you stability on descending. Both are fun actually
I have the Enduro build, swapped to Ohlins with WAO Convergence Triads on Hydras, Conti Kryptotal Enduro Soft, Dominion T4s with MTX reds on HS2 200mm, shaved a little weight with XX cranks and XX SL transmission, my own cockpit setup and it handles the PNW well, just get fatigued faster with less travel than my bigger bikes. But if you want something around 31 lbs and very reliable, this is going to be very hard to beat.
Sounds like a killer rig!
I'll probably be the odd man out with this, but I want the Enduro build and drop the fork to 130mm.. Being a bit heavier, I like the beefier fork, but I would like the shorter travel for my local rides..
Sounds like a fun setup!
Don't think the 36 can go down to 130, think 140mm is the minimum.
I don’t think think spec builds make a difference when all ur trying to do is have fun on the trail but if you have a specific agenda then it might
Haha fun certainly is an important barometer!
Nice video! What helmets are you guys wearing?
These are Abus Cliffhanger MIPS. We really like them.
How does the Shadowcat compare with the Trail 429? Been goin back and forth between those 2. Lovin the pink colorway for whatever reason lol
It'd be the Xtr build with carbon wheels.
Shadowcat errs more on the playful side, but feels a little less efficient/doesn't carry speed as well through the rough. Both killer rigs and not a huge amount in it all things considered!
just built a shadowcat with a Fox 34 29er 140mm in the front. Absolute riot up and down the trails, would recommend!
I bought a 2022 429. Great bike but I recently demoed a shadowcat. Now I wish I would’ve got the shadowcat. Too late so I got 27.5” wheels for my 429. I’ll probably be changing out shock and form at some point too. I’d go with the Shadowcat though. Such a fun bike but it’s all about if you value maneuverability over the rollover of the 29’s
This is my opinion but i don’t think the enduro version is an actual enduro bike. 160mm and up is enduro and also the ice tec rotors definitely not for enduro as i used them and they warped every time under pressure, when i switched to sram 2mm rotors instead of the 1.8mm ice tec rotors never had that problem again. Currently riding specialized enduro with 180mm front 170mm back, code ultimate brakes raceface next R handle bar and enduro carbon rims its a beast. Im 107kg with gear. I think weight definitely plays a role in travel needed as well, depending what you doing.
The enduro spec is definitely not an enduro bike, we agree. We haven’t experienced the same issues with the Ice Tec rotors though - we’ve even had them on a dh bike in a bikepark without problem.
Prices are ridiiiiiiicuuuulooouuuussss. What average Joe can afford this. I can't and i will never take a loan for a bike?!?! Hope bikemarket will get a huge reset.
Demoed one of these not too long ago. Fun bike but the sub 76deg STA is unacceptable.
It depends what you're climbing - for the steepest climbs we'd like to see it steeper, but it left us comfortable for everything else so we're not mad about it.
@@TheLoamWolf Not really just for steep climbs. Being on the mid to lower side of fitment range on the large I found myself quite hunched over even with the seat slammed forward. 77deg+ is a way more comfortable in general, I'll never go back to less.
Fair enough, we're glad you've found what works for you! Bike fit is such a personal thing, huh?
@@TheLoamWolf Sure is! For us average sized persons the industry would seem to agree with steeper seat tubes becoming the standard. I'm sure those numbers are ok for the ones who prefer to be the bear on the mini-bike and need a lil more space.
Ultra steep STA can result in pain in the arms, shoulders and elbows. Not for everyone. I own the trail version of this bike and I like the STA as is. I find the front wheel to be planted and the climbing manners spot on. Even in steep and technical situations.
Finally, some real bikes instead of ebike impotent low testosterone nonsense.
Not sure where you've seen the impotent low testosterone nonsense, but eBikes are pretty fun too.
@@TheLoamWolf I know you gotta get your rebuttal in so they'll keep sending you bikes to review, it's okay.
They'll keep sending us eBikes to review because we keep asking for them...because they're fun. Mountain bikes are fun too though. Why not both?
@@TheLoamWolf because ebikes aren't mountain bikes or even bicycles.
@@DB-sd3cw If ebikes aren’t bicycles, what are they?
Yk it would be helpful to include metric measurements for weight as well, I have no idea wtf 5.9lbs is and I don't care to learn this moronic unit of measurement
2.67kg.
@@TheLoamWolf thank you