Thanks for talking about this. I moved to NYC at 28 to exhibit and create my art after art school (the stereotype) I ended up giving up on it in my 30s and am just now getting back to it at the age of 50. It's like an awakening. Also, I give no S%^ts what anyone thinks of it, something I didn't feel at the age of 28.
I spent about 3 years in my twenties contemplating a move to NYC. I only knew one person in Jersey City and I thought long and hard about the type of living conditions I would have to endure to give it a shot. NYC is just so expensive. Ultimately, with a bit of sadness, I stayed in the mid-west and didn't pursue it. It was probably the right decision for me. I'm close to fifty myself, and abandoned the pursuit of art for about 15 years. Now I am rededicating. All the best to you in your next artistic endeavors. There's a much greater foundation to launch the creative adventure~
Such a great conversation! As a younger person, I'm hoping that as I gain more life experience I can create even more meaningful art. Thank you guys for sharing!
Terrific conversation. Would have loved to see a person over 50 on your panel. Their voice seems missing here. Kind of like when a group of only men discuss sexism.
Yup! Seeing the media report on Ashley Sherald who hit "success" in her early 40's as if she was late! Like we can't reach that unless it is when we are younger
I'm interested to hear from other women about this. I wonder how many take a break to raise children? I had much more energy at 22 so working all day and then doing art wasn't much of an issue. After about 35 the energy dropped and I had to decide, make a steady corporate income or do art full time. Galleries don't take 40-hour a week job folks seriously - and it's understandable, they want production of artwork quickly. There was no way I could work that much and have the energy left over in my 40s to pull together an art show in 6 months. But that's just my experience and why I faded out of the art world.
That makes complete sense! Art is draining emotionally and physically, so expecting someone to be a full time artist on top of parenting or other jobs is a little crazy - Mia, Art Prof Staff
There’s hope for me yet then lol . I didn’t start painting till my 40s, a self taught realist, in my 60s now. Life has gotten in the way though, where art has had to take a back seat, family, sick loved ones etc. I am still trying to find myself, maybe I need to go more abstract, but I can still dream eh 😉. Maybe when women are much older those things are well and truly behind them, they are retired, they have more personal time. I think women are generally less well represented, also minority groups. Confidence, determination and drive plays a big part at any age, things that I lack. I have friends my age who are doing well. Hopefully things will improve for the young artists of today.
It seems like, in the arts, there are 2 different tiers. One is more the entertainment/high-end/fluffy-prestige tier, which is a tiny, but highly visible, part. (Same with fashion and acting). The 2nd tier is the actual majority where artists/designers/actors are working regularly and having fulfilling careers, but never get a lot of attention. The only thing that makes the press are the flashy outliers. Unless you really care about that stuff, it really doesn't matter. If I love a dress, or a painting, or a movie, I don't care how old the designer, artist, or director is. Most people don't. But the entertainment sector is all about fads and trends, which is more the domain of young people.
It's so interesting how split up the art realm is-- there is absolutely a divide between the brands of artists & the realms of different industries! The more you learn about them, the more polarizing it seems... - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Share
Appreciate this! Gilot had 2 children with Pablo Picasso ffs! Shaking my head at the rampant ignorance. Btw I'm edging up on 60 and know that the only respect women of any age get in the arts is the respect that they DEMAND.
Galleries (and I'm talking about your Gagossian et al here) like the young artists because they see a cash cow that, if hyped enough, can be milked for decades with those collectors for whom art is simply a commodity that is purchased for the aim of a future profit, not because they like the art or even like art in particular.
@@artprof It would be if it were actually about the art, but it's about long term investments. Most high end artworks that go for millions of dollars never see the light of day again. They remain in storage crates in temperature controlled facilities until the investor chooses to sell it and then the next buyer does the same thing. So many masterworks never seen again. It makes me sad.
Very true. It's also easier (or at least perceived to be easier) to churn and burn through a bunch of young, starry-eyed insecure artists as opposed to someone older who has more boundaries, knows themselves more, and is more difficult to manipulate. It comes down to money and the market, as you say. I think it's dangerous for artists to get too wrapped up in that mindset.
There is ageism in all sectors of life not just the art world. There as always been older generation versus the younger and vice versa. I am sixty six and if I am still lucky enough to have a brush in my hand at 100 years I can almost guarantee ageism will still be alive. The real problem is the continual gender bias towards women of all age and race.
This is so true, there are always so many things that impact artists that-- as horrible as they are-- seem to be here for the long run. Hopefully we can find solace in our work and prevail despite the hardships! - Mia, Art Prof Staff
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Thanks for talking about this. I moved to NYC at 28 to exhibit and create my art after art school (the stereotype) I ended up giving up on it in my 30s and am just now getting back to it at the age of 50. It's like an awakening. Also, I give no S%^ts what anyone thinks of it, something I didn't feel at the age of 28.
I spent about 3 years in my twenties contemplating a move to NYC. I only knew one person in Jersey City and I thought long and hard about the type of living conditions I would have to endure to give it a shot. NYC is just so expensive. Ultimately, with a bit of sadness, I stayed in the mid-west and didn't pursue it. It was probably the right decision for me. I'm close to fifty myself, and abandoned the pursuit of art for about 15 years. Now I am rededicating. All the best to you in your next artistic endeavors. There's a much greater foundation to launch the creative adventure~
Right on.
Such a great conversation! As a younger person, I'm hoping that as I gain more life experience I can create even more meaningful art. Thank you guys for sharing!
Thank YOU for watching! - Mia, Art Prof Staff
This is one of my favorite streams ever. So helpful and motivational.
I'm so happy to hear that, Brittany!
Terrific conversation. Would have loved to see a person over 50 on your panel. Their voice seems missing here. Kind of like when a group of only men discuss sexism.
A wonderful point-- perhaps we can continue this conversation with another panel! - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
Thank you for covering this it has been very enlightening to hear your views.
We're glad you think so, thanks so much for tuning in! - Mia, Art Prof Staff
Yup! Seeing the media report on Ashley Sherald who hit "success" in her early 40's as if she was late! Like we can't reach that unless it is when we are younger
Or twice that age.
SO true! - Mia, Art Prof Staff
I'm interested to hear from other women about this. I wonder how many take a break to raise children? I had much more energy at 22 so working all day and then doing art wasn't much of an issue. After about 35 the energy dropped and I had to decide, make a steady corporate income or do art full time. Galleries don't take 40-hour a week job folks seriously - and it's understandable, they want production of artwork quickly. There was no way I could work that much and have the energy left over in my 40s to pull together an art show in 6 months. But that's just my experience and why I faded out of the art world.
That makes complete sense! Art is draining emotionally and physically, so expecting someone to be a full time artist on top of parenting or other jobs is a little crazy - Mia, Art Prof Staff
There’s hope for me yet then lol . I didn’t start painting till my 40s, a self taught realist, in my 60s now. Life has gotten in the way though, where art has had to take a back seat, family, sick loved ones etc. I am still trying to find myself, maybe I need to go more abstract, but I can still dream eh 😉. Maybe when women are much older those things are well and truly behind them, they are retired, they have more personal time. I think women are generally less well represented, also minority groups. Confidence, determination and drive plays a big part at any age, things that I lack. I have friends my age who are doing well. Hopefully things will improve for the young artists of today.
I hope so too!! Thank you so much for this comment, and for watching with us :) - Mia, Art Prof Staff
Staying healthy and fit is 50% of the artist's job.
You're right! It's absolutely crazy - Mia, Art Prof Staff
You guys are such a joy to listen to 💛
We're so glad you think so! - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Staff
"30 to 35 is a sweet spot", here I am about to turn 33 and starting to make art. Only 2 years to make it happen 😂😂
Me too lol. Oh well it’s fun anyways.
Better get crackin'! 😂 -Prof Lieu
It seems like, in the arts, there are 2 different tiers. One is more the entertainment/high-end/fluffy-prestige tier, which is a tiny, but highly visible, part. (Same with fashion and acting). The 2nd tier is the actual majority where artists/designers/actors are working regularly and having fulfilling careers, but never get a lot of attention. The only thing that makes the press are the flashy outliers. Unless you really care about that stuff, it really doesn't matter. If I love a dress, or a painting, or a movie, I don't care how old the designer, artist, or director is. Most people don't. But the entertainment sector is all about fads and trends, which is more the domain of young people.
It's so interesting how split up the art realm is-- there is absolutely a divide between the brands of artists & the realms of different industries! The more you learn about them, the more polarizing it seems... - Mia Rozear, Art Prof Share
Appreciate this! Gilot had 2 children with Pablo Picasso ffs! Shaking my head at the rampant ignorance. Btw I'm edging up on 60 and know that the only respect women of any age get in the arts is the respect that they DEMAND.
Galleries (and I'm talking about your Gagossian et al here) like the young artists because they see a cash cow that, if hyped enough, can be milked for decades with those collectors for whom art is simply a commodity that is purchased for the aim of a future profit, not because they like the art or even like art in particular.
Very interesting point, that's crazy - Mia, Art Prof Staff
@@artprof It would be if it were actually about the art, but it's about long term investments. Most high end artworks that go for millions of dollars never see the light of day again. They remain in storage crates in temperature controlled facilities until the investor chooses to sell it and then the next buyer does the same thing. So many masterworks never seen again. It makes me sad.
Very true. It's also easier (or at least perceived to be easier) to churn and burn through a bunch of young, starry-eyed insecure artists as opposed to someone older who has more boundaries, knows themselves more, and is more difficult to manipulate. It comes down to money and the market, as you say. I think it's dangerous for artists to get too wrapped up in that mindset.
There is ageism in all sectors of life not just the art world. There as always been older generation versus the younger and vice versa. I am sixty six and if I am still lucky enough to have a brush in my hand at 100 years I can almost guarantee ageism will still be alive. The real problem is the continual gender bias towards women of all age and race.
This is so true, there are always so many things that impact artists that-- as horrible as they are-- seem to be here for the long run. Hopefully we can find solace in our work and prevail despite the hardships! - Mia, Art Prof Staff
I wonder if its also less of a "risk" to spotlight older artist because they're work will go up in value after they pass
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Mmm this is an interesting point - Mia, Art Prof Staff
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