Building a Slightly Cursed Mac Plus Plus Plus

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  • Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2024

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  • @samshort365
    @samshort365 2 года назад +147

    There was a trend about 20 years ago where these macs where turned into aquariums. Good to see that some of them made it and are getting an upgrade.

    • @RyanAumiller
      @RyanAumiller 2 года назад +13

      molar macs make a better aquarium anyway, breadbox only good for a bettafish.

    • @escgoogle3865
      @escgoogle3865 2 года назад +5

      Macquarium a few coworkers made them. 98-99 or so.

    • @juliedunken1150
      @juliedunken1150 2 года назад

      No, the trend was about 12 years ago.. your a tool and more then a decade off.

    • @mlthmp
      @mlthmp 2 года назад +4

      The iMac G3 makes beautiful fish tanks

    • @destinationlimbo378
      @destinationlimbo378 Год назад

      Sad that’s a really small place to live in

  • @geofftottenperthcoys9944
    @geofftottenperthcoys9944 2 года назад +66

    I am actually not that interested in Mac (Apple in general), but love watching these types of vids where old machines get a lovely boost! Thanks for this.

    • @JohnSmith-xq1pz
      @JohnSmith-xq1pz 2 года назад +2

      Same

    • @little_fluffy_clouds
      @little_fluffy_clouds 6 месяцев назад

      Same for me, but I watched so many of these videos that I ended up getting a Quadra 700 from eBay and hot rodded it to the max, including a PowerPC 601 accelerator card and full retrobright treatment.
      It’s really easy to work on classic Macs and it gave me a new appreciation for the “Snow White” era. Besides, I couldn’t have afforded a fully-upgraded Quadra 700 when it was new, so it’s fun to be able to explore one now.

  • @GGigabiteM
    @GGigabiteM 2 года назад +84

    There are several reasons that 68020/030 upgrades are so unstable on these machines, and it's not really fixable.
    Starting with the system ROM, it uses "32 bit dirty" code. The 68000 has a 24 bit address bus, and Apple in an attempt to save memory would use the upper 8 bits of a 32 bit address as flags. The 68000 was fine with this because it only ever saw 24 bits, but when you get into 68020/030 CPUs, it's a major problem because those are full 32 bit CPUs. Now that same code would be throwing 32 bits of nonsense at the CPU and causing unpredictable behavior.
    But the system ROM wasn't the only thing that used 32 bit dirty code, Mac OS and applications at the time all did it as well. This means that you'll never really be able to run in a pure 32 bit addressing mode without constant trouble from "dirty" code.
    If you want a really bad time, try to run the game "Dark Castle" or "Return to Dark Castle" on Mac OS 7.x on a compact mac. It will cause stack smashing, which will obliterate any and all partitions on the hard drive and cause some psychedelic screen nonsense to happen.
    The only real workaround for accelerators on compact macs is to run System Software 6.0.8, the last to run in pure 24 bit addressing modes. This of course hampers the potential performance of an accelerator card, but it will keep most of the problems with 32 bit dirty software in check. And as a practical matter, there's really nothing in System 7.x that applies to compact macs anyway. It just runs slower.
    I have a Mac SE with a Total Systems Gemini Ultra accelerator, and it's only stable with System 6.0.8. It will run 7.x, but it does all of the nasty things you've shown in this video and won't run right.

    • @kirishima638
      @kirishima638 2 года назад +2

      Sounds like you could just work around it by running system 7 with 32 bit addressing disabled (the default).
      Provided you stick to 24bit software, you should be ok.

    • @GGigabiteM
      @GGigabiteM 2 года назад +7

      @@kirishima638 That's not what 32 bit addressing is for. It's to allow System 7+ to address more memory, it has nothing to do with not allowing the system to run 32 bit code.
      System 7 itself has 32 bit code in it that isn't compatible with older 24 bit Macs, it didn't help that Apple didn't explicitly cut off the older machines, even though there were known compatibility issues. Compact Macs weren't the only ones with compatibility issues with either, many Mac II series machines also had 24 bit dirty ROMs and required MODE32 from Connectix, which Apple later licensed so users could download it for free.
      There's no way to prevent 32 bit code from trying to run on a 24 bit machine and vice versa, because hardly anyone took the time to make compatibility lists for all of the Apple machines.
      It's a miracle the original system software even worked at all, because it was more of an ad hoc system of APIs glued together from many different sources. By the time Mac OS 9 came around, more of the OS had been written by third parties than Apple itself. Apple by that time had desperately been trying to keep their "OS" relevant by spending lots of money buying 3rd party extensions to their OS and incorporating it in.

    • @kirishima638
      @kirishima638 2 года назад

      @@GGigabiteM thanks I didn’t know that. I assumed the switch applied to all apps.
      Totally agree about the state of the OS.

    • @D0Samp
      @D0Samp 2 года назад

      I still don't quite understand how the 68020+ upgrade would break things if you only hook up the 24 address lines you have, given that the 68000/010 can mangle addresses as 32-bit quantities all the same. Interfacing with a 16-bit data bus sounds like a harder problem.

    • @GGigabiteM
      @GGigabiteM 2 года назад +1

      ​@@D0Samp You can't just arbitrarily hook up how many address lines you want and leave the rest floating. The 68020/030 are 32 bit CPUs and expect full 32 bit buses. There are ways to engineer around them, which is why upgrade boards are generally packed with tons of custom logic chips.
      While the 68000 had 32 bit registers internally, most operations were 16 bits and only worked on half of the register at a time.
      If Mac OS sends a "24 bit" operand to a 68020/68030, it's really sending 32 bits of data (24 bits of normal code plus the 8 bits of flags). The 68020/030 doesn't know the difference and will take this as a full 32 bit operand and try to execute it, causing undefined erratic behavior.
      Engineering around a 16 bit data bus is a lot easier than a 24 bit address bus. If you have to perform a 32 bit operation, you just break it up into two 16 bit operations to load the data and two more to store each piece as it comes in. Many architectures do this, including the 68000 if it has to do a 32 bit operation on the bus.

  • @DatBlueHusky
    @DatBlueHusky 2 года назад +36

    my heart dropped when i saw the garbled screen lol but glad its "kinda" working well. I think what you should do is copy the floppy disk install onto a floppy emu hd image and install the rest of the system stuff on there then go from there.

    • @FurbleFawks
      @FurbleFawks 2 года назад +14

      *uWu notices your stickers* Man, the crossover of furries and retro computing is always amusing to me, it's great to see we still have a bunch of awesome furry people who love old tech. And I guess Sean is fun too. I bet that whiteboard guy is a closet furry though. :D

    • @SockyNoob
      @SockyNoob 2 года назад +1

      owo

    • @HalianTheProtogen
      @HalianTheProtogen 2 года назад +1

      *notices your cute protogen stickers* OwO

    • @Xurikyo
      @Xurikyo 2 года назад +2

      Running Catalina on a custom workstation, macos has never felt so sweet.

    • @HalianTheProtogen
      @HalianTheProtogen 2 года назад

      @@Xurikyo Good proto :3

  • @DionTheBirb
    @DionTheBirb 2 года назад +8

    Lol
    Awesome protogen stickers XD

  • @WizardClipAudio
    @WizardClipAudio 2 года назад +2

    That clip-over chip, adapter socket, is absolutely brilliant!

  • @rmcdudmk212
    @rmcdudmk212 2 года назад +13

    That's a pretty wicked upgrade for that beige bread box Mac. Keep up the excellent work action retro.. 👍

  • @mikesadorf
    @mikesadorf 2 года назад +6

    This is my favorite thing to watch every weekend even though I have the shakiest grasp imaginable of what's even going on.

    • @scurvy3113
      @scurvy3113 2 года назад

      Their taking machines that should have been in the scrapyard a long time ago and giving them seemingly impossible or difficult upgrades in the beloved year 2022

  • @cla3d
    @cla3d 2 года назад +4

    I just bought a mac classic off facebook market place. To my surprise when I opened it up I found one of these accelerator cards. Mine obviously was fitted with the classic connector. It makes my mac classic 3 times faster than stock. I have not tried to use it with a blue scsi. the original hard drive was working so I just kept it that way. Great video, the struggle to get these things working is the joy of collecting old computers. If it all just worked out of the box it wouldn't be as much fun.

    • @ActionRetro
      @ActionRetro  2 года назад +1

      Nice find, and totally agree!

  • @OtioseFanatic
    @OtioseFanatic 2 года назад +8

    Lol nice. Furry and Protogen stickers

  • @RudysRetroIntel
    @RudysRetroIntel 2 года назад +3

    Loads of fun!! Looking forward to your next video and see what you do with it next! Thanks for sharing

  • @mikek1187
    @mikek1187 2 года назад +24

    Another excellent video as always Sean! The "killy-clip" seems like the weak link here. My OCD would tell me I need to clean those contacts with alcohol and verify "springiness" for positive contact with the CPU pins for thoroughness.

  • @GreenAppelPie
    @GreenAppelPie 2 года назад +22

    1:32 “cobbling” together a 386 system was a breeze with so many fully compatible inexpensive options.

    • @darkwinter6028
      @darkwinter6028 Год назад

      Only if you were tech-savvy. For most people, A Mac Plus was a simpler proposition; as there were no real choices to be made… perhaps add a hard drive and printer; but there was really only a couple possibilities there as well; and if you wanted to stay 100% Apple, it was an HD20SC and an ImageWriter.

    • @little_fluffy_clouds
      @little_fluffy_clouds 6 месяцев назад

      Building a PC was challenging in the 386 era, in the age of jumpers, before plug and play existed, especially having to navigate the IRQ/DMA assignment hell. Non-technical users would always choose a pre-made system instead. Things got easier during the Pentium era when most motherboards were auto configurable and plug and play was working okay.

  • @brendanhoffmann8402
    @brendanhoffmann8402 2 года назад +1

    Cool! The Mac Plus was my first computer in 1986... My Dad actually told me that he only just threw it in the garbage a few years ago... He didn't realise it was worth money!!

  • @queens.dee.223
    @queens.dee.223 Год назад

    I totally forgot about floppy swapping. What a wild reminder!

  • @ulfspringer8639
    @ulfspringer8639 2 года назад +4

    The floppy changing sequence made me giggle. Well done Sean - keep it up. 👍

    • @dgpsf
      @dgpsf 2 года назад

      a very good demo of what it was like IRL in those days, even though wtf, this thing has 4MB of RAM and only 2 800k floppies in play, how could it BE THIS BAD?!?

  • @geofftottenperthcoys9944
    @geofftottenperthcoys9944 2 года назад +4

    Oh swapping floppies, something I NEVER will miss!

    • @dmacpher
      @dmacpher 2 года назад +1

      Installing windows 95 on floppies was hell! 😆

  • @scurvy3113
    @scurvy3113 2 года назад +1

    I always watch your videos when I’m on a trip and love seeing a new one. I’m not a mac man but your channel has converted me. Thank you.

  • @ESF-ElevatorEnthusiast
    @ESF-ElevatorEnthusiast 5 месяцев назад

    Your youtube channel is amazing! I watch this every night to learn more about the macintosh, specially the macintosh plus. Absolutely amazing that you turned an original macintosh to a macintosh plus, plus plus.
    Btw those are some pretty nice protogen stickers! Just watch them overnight, or else they might eat your RAM sticks! 10:28

  • @fsfs555
    @fsfs555 2 года назад +10

    It's not the CPU that really generates the heat on these, it's the CRT and analog board. If you're worried about temps, get a Kensington System Saver or cut a proper fan vent and mount on the back of the case. Larry Pina's books have some good instructions for doing so.
    Is this upgrade worth it? Maybe back in 1990 if the choice was between buying an accelerator for an existing Plus that has a hard drive and other accessories, or a brand-new SE/30. Nowadays people would probably want more for that upgrade card than a real SE/30. Either way, I'd say it's a "because it's there" sort of thing: there's some benefit but unless you're running programs entirely within the 256 bytes of L1 cache on the '030, it's not going to be anywhere close to the SE/30 in performance, mostly because of the Plus's slower and narrower (16 bits @ 8MHz) bus. Then there's still the RAM ceiling of the Plus (nowhere close to the 128MB of the SE/30), and the Plus doesn't support FDHD drives (except for third-party SCSI-based floppy drives). Finally, there's the fact that some software just won't cooperate because, even though there's an '030 and an '882 present, it still has Plus ROMs and so some fakery is required to get it to maybe possibly (but probably not) work.

    • @alextirrellRI
      @alextirrellRI 2 года назад

      I imagine any remaining System Savers could use a fan replacement.

  • @steveg5122
    @steveg5122 2 года назад +11

    you got some protogen stickers, nice!

    • @OtioseFanatic
      @OtioseFanatic 2 года назад +3

      *notices you*

    • @theadrislt5547
      @theadrislt5547 2 года назад

      yea proot stickers i was like waiiiit what are they doing there its not that kind of channel but its fun to see the same stickers which i see on telegram

    • @steveg5122
      @steveg5122 2 года назад +2

      @@OtioseFanatic owo

  • @walterb.9290
    @walterb.9290 7 месяцев назад

    We had Mac Plus workstations at the Music Technology department, and the easiest we worked with, was an extension called 'Ram Disk', that made it possible to boot from a system floppy, then load that same system OS in Ram, then eject that floppy, allowing you to insert the application floppy (MOTU's Performer) and go to work without having to keep floppy-swapping. Nifty little app!

  • @RowanBird779
    @RowanBird779 2 года назад +13

    It would certainly be interesting if someone ran A/UX on the Macintosh Plus

  • @stevesmusic1862
    @stevesmusic1862 2 года назад

    Love seeing those old Macs!

  • @Arivia1
    @Arivia1 2 года назад +1

    An Action Retro video ending on a cursed cliffhanger? Love it.

  • @jordanvelazquez6321
    @jordanvelazquez6321 2 года назад +5

    Those protogen stickers will eat your ram.

  • @Guds777
    @Guds777 Год назад

    My Mac plus was awesome piece of technology. And oh boy when i got me an external disc drive, that was thrilling time to be a life, no more endless switching floppies. And i remember to this day how envy i was to my friend that had PC with 120 MB hard drive. Not GB a MB...

  • @TheMalMeninga
    @TheMalMeninga 2 года назад +4

    "Read state change?! What the hell does that mean?" -- shades of Office Space "PC Load Letter" there

  • @douglasmannor6510
    @douglasmannor6510 2 года назад +1

    Mac shenanigans are the reason I’m here! I’m sure it’s been mentioned somewhere but how do I get my hands on that shirt!

    • @ActionRetro
      @ActionRetro  2 года назад

      It's from the @mac84 channel!

  • @zerocks88
    @zerocks88 2 года назад +4

    APPLE: THONK DIFFERENT

  • @alexhall6375
    @alexhall6375 7 месяцев назад

    Wonderful .. brought back so many memories 😂

  • @starhawking
    @starhawking 2 года назад +4

    Protogen Mac! 😻😻😻
    Those stickers are adorable

    • @utzufideli9769
      @utzufideli9769 2 года назад +3

      so i wasnt the only one to immediately go like "oh look, the seller is a protogen"

  • @kirishima638
    @kirishima638 2 года назад +3

    I had a lot of problems getting my bluescsi to work and even now it will occasional fail to boot.
    A 16 or 25mhz 68030 runs cool enough to not require a fan. These power many PowerBook models with considerably less space with no fan and they don’t even have passive cooling.

  • @CRYPTiCEXiLE
    @CRYPTiCEXiLE 2 года назад +1

    great video aaa the m68k + i remember in my school in music class we had one of these with macOS 6.0 or something it has a cool piano program on it thats about all i remember about it... nobody seem to care much for mac ... we like our hp and compaq back then or our model m ibm

  • @RinoaL
    @RinoaL Год назад

    3:02 gettin' fancy lol

  • @89ry89
    @89ry89 Год назад

    That was pretty funny. I really thought there was just a weird reflection on that screen… then you stuck your hand in.. hah!

  • @rhysholdaway
    @rhysholdaway 2 года назад

    Best retro computer channel on RUclips and I don't even like Macs 🤣

  • @sjgrall
    @sjgrall 2 года назад +1

    I love your humor. These videos always make my day heheh

  • @timstacy8034
    @timstacy8034 Год назад

    I started my vintage mac collection in the late 90's, the first was a Performa 5215 which was okay. Then I bought a 145b and 180c which blew me away for they were like coloring books coming to life. Within the next few years, I was given a few Plus's and an SE which sat for years before I'd figure out how to boot them... Although the Plus would boot from floppies but it also came with an external HD which I had to take the top off and kick start it to boot... After watching the needle move across the disc and then stuff would appear on screen which made it a favorite in it's own quirky way. I never really mind how slow it was though, I just thought of it as the little Mac that could. I simply hated the SE for being so ugly and when I finally got around to it, I was totally shocked and surprised at how crisp the screen was and also it's speed. What sat it off was a program called lip service that greeted and told you the time as it booted...

  • @xew4N
    @xew4N 2 года назад

    "No chime... and garbage... excellent." :D

  • @Francois_L_7933
    @Francois_L_7933 2 года назад +3

    Have you tried using Mini Vmac to put the drivers in the image and then boot from that?
    Maybe the big problem with the upgrade is that it overclocks the bus and you get crashes when there are collisions on the data lines?

  • @JohnDoe-ml8ru
    @JohnDoe-ml8ru 2 года назад +5

    Not system 7 compatible. A lot of older upgrades were not. You can try 7.0.1.

  • @alextirrellRI
    @alextirrellRI 2 года назад +4

    The fact that the INIT works in 6.0.7 but does not work in 7.1.x makes me think there's a compatibility issue right there. There were many System 6 programs and INITs/extensions that did not work properly in 7 and 7.1. Is there a newer extension?
    Memory addressing was also an issue between 6 and 7 -- you'd have to turn off 32 bit memory addressing to get some older software to work. Not sure if that would impact the plus at all, as it would generally impact 030's like the SE/30 that had 'dirty ROMs'. But since the upgrade is an 030, maybe it does apply here.

    • @greatquux
      @greatquux 2 года назад

      I have zero experience with this era of Macs but as an IT person for 30 years that’s what my gut told me too.

  • @OrDuckVet
    @OrDuckVet 2 года назад +1

    I consider whether to subscribe to the channel with every video, and I always have more than a few reasons to continue! 😁

  • @pseudotasuki
    @pseudotasuki 2 года назад +3

    RPi Picos aren't hard to find. They've been particularly good at remaining available during chip shortages.

  • @BollingHolt
    @BollingHolt 2 года назад

    I didn't even know you could get an 030 accelerator for a Plus! I have a Plus with 4 megs and SCSI2SD setup at my office for display. Since I now have a VARIETY of compact Macs, I finally just now bit the bullet and ordered a BlueSCSI so I can swap them among machines, especially among the SE, SE/30, Classic, Classic II, Color Classic, II, IIfx, etc. It seems this is the easiest way to go since it's the best of both worlds of being interchangeable and still having a clean appearance, well, unless you're looking at the back of the machine ;) I think I'll leave the accelerators to you, at least for now LOL.

  • @retropuffer2986
    @retropuffer2986 2 года назад

    What an upgrade!

  • @AiOinc1
    @AiOinc1 2 года назад +2

    You make a comparison to a 386 at the start of the video, but consider that in 1986 a 386 was absolutely the top of the line money could buy.
    The Mac Plus is much more inline with something like a Turbo XT, which could cost less than $1000.
    Oh, and the Amiga 500 existed, which bested the Mac Plus in every possible way to the point it could run Mac software.

    • @dennisp.2147
      @dennisp.2147 2 года назад

      A barebone Turbo XT could be bought in the back of Computer shopper for $599. With a 20 Mb hard drive and Color Monitor, you are up to $1500. Giving you a machine with higher Resolution (Hercules graphics 720x348) Color and a Hard drive. None of which the Plus had out of the box.

  • @JapanPop
    @JapanPop 2 года назад +4

    Love to see these unobtaniums in action. Also, did you mod the plus board to power scsi, or does blue scsi not need external power on a plus?

    • @ActionRetro
      @ActionRetro  2 года назад +4

      I was using external power for it, but I'm going to do that mod

  • @UpLateGeek
    @UpLateGeek 2 года назад

    What a coincidence, I just ordered a blueSCSI the other day. The seller did specifically state that it came unflashed, but I've never used a Blue Pill before. I did order the STLink programmer, so hopefully it will be pretty straightforward. It's supposed to come with a Blue Pill, so at least I'll have a spare if I totally screw up the original one!
    That reminds me, I'll also need to order a micro SD card to use with the thing.
    Anyway, hopefully you can lift the curse and get your Mac Plus working stably with the upgrade.

  • @DeathInTheSnow
    @DeathInTheSnow 2 года назад +1

    Would love to see you mess about with a few Acorn computers at some point. :D

  • @jeerawatngammuangpak2423
    @jeerawatngammuangpak2423 2 года назад

    it worked! thank you so much!!

  • @gorrilaeatbanana3929
    @gorrilaeatbanana3929 Год назад

    congrats on 64k subs

  • @HalianTheProtogen
    @HalianTheProtogen 2 года назад +1

    The seller of the accelerator card is a cute protogen :3
    EDIT: Oh shit, and you play Magic too, Sean? The memes are colliding :D

  • @SkellyPacks
    @SkellyPacks 2 года назад +2

    11:08 And people say spending money on Magic cards isn't practical!

  • @Ensign_games
    @Ensign_games 2 года назад +7

    as a furry some of the stickers are pretty funny

  • @GreenAppelPie
    @GreenAppelPie 2 года назад

    Just ordered a metal print from PCB way, didn’t even know they did that until I looked.

  • @smcic
    @smcic 2 года назад +1

    I’ve wanted an accelerator for my Mac plus for a long time. I guess they are hard to find?

  • @tenminutetokyo2643
    @tenminutetokyo2643 Год назад

    There was also an ‘040 accelerator for the SE30 itself.

  • @nebular-nerd
    @nebular-nerd 2 года назад +2

    I wonder if the bluescsi issue is power related, maybe the accelerator board is drawing enough that there's not a lot share to run the drive. Can you externally power those?

  • @NullStaticVoid
    @NullStaticVoid 10 месяцев назад

    At my last office job, some 20 something didn't believe me that Mac was short for Macintosh.
    PS. I'd pay good money for a modern Mac M3 in that classic form factor

  • @hi-its-me22
    @hi-its-me22 2 года назад

    With all that floppy swapping - I was wondering - why not just image those disks to the floppy emu or similar and just "swap" them virtually - could save a ton of time and effort, methinks. Also, not sure what the first 'hack' was you mentioned (something about a resistor removal?) but perhaps that could contribute to the issues?
    I'm dug my Mac Plus out the other day and I'm going to tear it down later today with my floppy emu and whatever else I can find. It's been far too long since I ran it.
    What's the "best" OS for it? 7.1? 7.5? So far as I know, it's stock, but I might be able to get it up to 4MB RAM. Likely will just use it for some writing and MAYBE some old-school (not intensive) gaming.
    Thanks as always for the great content.

  • @esra_erimez
    @esra_erimez 2 года назад

    Awesome video! thanks!

  • @D0Samp
    @D0Samp 2 года назад +3

    1:34 That said, you certainly wouldn't build a DOS computer around an 80386 yourself in 1986. Not only were they much more expensive, MS-DOS also still lacked (built-in + 3rd party) facilities to use that whole whopping megabyte of RAM and OS/2, the operating system of a different future, wouldn't ship until the next year and still only use 80286 features. It's much more likely someone had already somehow shoved a 68020 into their Macintosh Plus at the time.

    • @dennisp.2147
      @dennisp.2147 2 года назад +2

      He's cherry picking with the Compaq machine. They were literally the most expensive "clone" At the time (1986) you could buy a barebone Turbo XT machine with 640K of Ram and a single 360K floppy for $599.

  • @tenminutetokyo2643
    @tenminutetokyo2643 2 года назад +4

    That is a 512K not a Plus. The Plus actually said “Macintosh Plus” on the front and had a recessed logo, not the square indent.

    • @JayJay-88
      @JayJay-88 2 года назад +1

      Probably upgraded using the official upgrade kit (which I understand cost almost as much as a new machine). I have one just like it. 😊

  • @jothain
    @jothain 2 года назад +2

    I can't recall seeing old ie. 286 that wouldn't have had power passthrough on it's PSU for monitor.

    • @dennisp.2147
      @dennisp.2147 2 года назад

      Shhh... he's reaching for reasons this turd didn't suck.

  • @Ralph-yn3gr
    @Ralph-yn3gr 2 года назад +1

    I've had similar problems with the BlueSCSI also, in this case on a Macintosh IIsi with a Daystar Powercache 33mhz 68030 accelerator. I recall it being OK when I was first setting it up without the accelerator installed, but once I put it in and installed the extension it started getting more and more slow and unstable, although my memory may be faulty. Eventually I had to switch to using an external Apple 3gb hard drive, which works without a hitch. I wonder if there's a compatibility problem with accelerators and modern SD card readers.

  • @rager1969
    @rager1969 2 года назад +1

    For price comparison, why would you compare a Compaq with the newly release 386 CPU to a Macintosh with a old 68000 CPU?

    • @dennisp.2147
      @dennisp.2147 2 года назад +1

      Because otherwise it makes the Mac look like the terrible bargain it really was. Here's a better comparison. 1/2 of a New 1986 Honda Civic.

  • @UncleThor
    @UncleThor 2 года назад

    Nice little homage to Rayman! I request a doodley-doo next time.

  • @GenericSweetener
    @GenericSweetener 2 года назад

    I've been wanting one of these for ages to put in my Mac Classic so I can futz with A/UX on a machine with no business running it

  • @dwarftoad
    @dwarftoad Год назад

    I sure don't miss swapping disks back and forth like that. I guess most of the time it wasn't needed, but when installing stuff like this it sure was a pain. I guess the dual floppy SE was a bit rare because by then it was more likely you'd have an HDD?

  • @jeffc1009
    @jeffc1009 Год назад

    Was there ever a sequel to this video? I dont see one, but might be icerlooking it.
    BTW Floopy Emu has known compatibility issues with accelerators, at least on the SE, and i assume with the Plus as qell. On my SE with the same card the machine dreezes on boot and the Floppy EMU shiws the "wait state changed" message.

  • @zh84
    @zh84 2 года назад +2

    "One keyboard and one monitor in one outlet." Not if you wanted to use a hard disc, without which the Mac Plus experience was pretty terrible. I had a Rodime 20 Plus, my first ever hard disc, and I thought it was amazing.

    • @dennisp.2147
      @dennisp.2147 2 года назад +2

      Also ignoring the fact that most XT and AT power supplies of the time have a passthough for the monitor to connect to.

    • @zh84
      @zh84 2 года назад +1

      @@dennisp.2147 Yes. The successor to my Mac Plus, a cheap Goldstar PC used for university work, had exactly that and an internal HDD, so it did work from one socket.

  • @michaelhill6453
    @michaelhill6453 2 года назад

    Always awesome.

  • @--Zook--
    @--Zook-- 2 года назад +1

    im about the biggest anti Mac guy you could ever imagine. Despite having owned several cult items over the years.......thanks wife........ Having said that, love the channel. Big fan of retro tech being a old man.

  • @briancassidy1887
    @briancassidy1887 Год назад

    I love your content

  • @pawanyr360
    @pawanyr360 Год назад

    I think that comparison around 1:38 is a bit unfair - 286s were really more comparable, and the prices are much more reasonable when you're looking at 286s in 1987 instead of 386s.
    Also, that price at 3:39 was from the mid-90s, so obviously it cost a whole lot less than the SE/30 initially cost at retail many years prior.

  • @knarlydark5960
    @knarlydark5960 2 года назад

    Just wondering if you were going to do a video about impossible cat meaning snow leopard beta 10.6 for the PPC drivers?

  • @martinnyberg71
    @martinnyberg71 6 месяцев назад

    What are the unpopulated spots on the upgrade for? 🤔 Something for BolleMac to reverse-engineer? 😅

  • @tetsujin_144
    @tetsujin_144 Год назад

    How much faster can this thing really be if it's still using the host machine's 16-bit data bus and RAM?

  • @hyperturbotechnomike
    @hyperturbotechnomike 2 года назад

    I wish i could also have a Mac, but i (mostly) live in Germany and they are rare, because no one really used Apple computer in the 80's and 90's. I know exactly one person which did have one in the late 90's, a macintosh Performa 5200 all-in-one and it was not really a great machine. The biggest reason against it was Software. There was not a lot of software with european language support.
    In the 80's most people used IBM compatibles from Siemens-Nixdorf and, the C64, but most importantly the AMIGA family of computers. The AMIGA had a big influence in our culture, because of the Demoscene and most important it's role in mainstream EDM. Sven Väth was a big fan of the AMIGA, he even dedicated a whole album to it "16BIT Inaxycvgtgtb" (yes that's the name). I do own a signed LP of this album, which was a limited version bundled with a coupon for discount on an AMIGA 1000. The C64 and the AMIGA were also the reason why we didn't have a "Video game crash", because most people were playing games on computers.
    In the 90's it was all just IBM clones and real IBM ThinkPads, because they were the best laptops. My dad worked at Siemens-Nixdorf and he used a ThinkPad. IBM didn't sell many desktop PC's here tho. Siemens had the monopoly until they sld themselves to the japanese, which gradually worsened the product quality. Fujitsu computers just gotten so bad. Kinda the same fate as IBM. Modern Lenovo ThinkPads are not even anywhere close to the quality standards IBM had.

    • @FoxMccloud42
      @FoxMccloud42 2 года назад

      With the Thinkpad quality: The best Thinkpads are the ones, after Lenovo took over the lineup. T60/61, T400, T410, T420 and the T430 are the best Thinkpads ever made, in my opinion and a lot of others. After this they went more for an apple style, because "premium". With Fujitsu: actually they are not bad. Good quality parts in them. My Pentium 4 Scaleo still works today and it is from time of capacitor plague (one cap failed, but one of 25 caps). And I seen it on other machines from fujitsu, too. But these where also machines, which where not cheap back than.

    • @hyperturbotechnomike
      @hyperturbotechnomike 2 года назад

      @@FoxMccloud42 The T430 was one of the worst for me, because the new keyboard feel like short travel calculator keys and as terrible as the ones from other laptops. The classic ThinkPad keyboard had a more tactile and clicky feel to it. . Lenovo also ditched the UltraBay and the X-series portable docking station. More and more of the unique IBM Thinkpad features got removed. The biggest nope was when they ditched the removable battery. Now they are just generic laptops, with the name ThinkPad written on them.
      Siemens used sturdy metal for their desktop PC cases, now under Fujitsus Name, they are wobbly thin sheets with lower quality plastics.

    • @FoxMccloud42
      @FoxMccloud42 2 года назад

      ​@@hyperturbotechnomike With the T430: You can swap it with the Keyboard from the T420 (My T430 has the original keyboard because I prefer the backlight which the T420 keyboard does not has). With the newer Thinkpads: A lot of press people said the design of older thinkpads are outdated and does feel plastic and not "premium" like the macbook (which breaks just from a drop of 10cm). There are even people saying Lenovo should ditch the trackpoint, because it is "outdated" and a bigger trackpad is much better. Thats why the quality of the Thinkpads went down and with it the modularity. Because everyone want all the notebooks to be in essence Macbook-clones (with all the problems of them).
      With Fujitsu and Siemens: Back in the old times everything was heavy because to suggest quality. The used thicker metal or just but some lead in to the chassis. I have an old cassete deck which is heavy, but when I looked in it, there was nothing what should be heavy. It was build heavy so people think it is a quality product.
      Also companies, who buy the fujitsu computer, don't need suchs steardy and heavy chassis. It cost extra in purchase and in shipping and when you can save 40€ (for example) per unit and you buy 100 because you are a business you can save 4000€. And once they are deployed, they wont be moved (no need for sturdy cases) until they get thrown away. Most companies throw them in to the trash instead of selling them and depending on the company who are recycling the pcs for them sometimes they charge them on the kilo and so ligther less sturdy cases are better.
      And when sturdy cases are needed, you normaly pick an industrial pc, because often the pcs are then in rough enviroments.

  • @FoxintoshPlus
    @FoxintoshPlus 10 месяцев назад

    Haha "Funny stickers"

  • @sideburn
    @sideburn 4 месяца назад

    That plus must have the scsi diode mod if it powered that BlueSCSI

  • @Mojames1984
    @Mojames1984 2 года назад

    Would love if you could get your hands on and upgrade a Performa 6200… that was my childhood Mac. What a piece of junk. I loved that thing though

  • @therobb5738
    @therobb5738 2 года назад +1

    As a highly watchted, drunk, and not EscapreFromTarkov frirendly person frtom suck BS game, I say, I LOVE ALL YOUR MAC BUILDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE KEEP MAKING THEM, YOUR FACE IS BEAUTIFUL WITH OR WITHOUT UNIX CODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @TadanoHitohito
      @TadanoHitohito 2 года назад

      Getting sloshed makes watching cursed tech content even better!

  • @charlesswansonii9319
    @charlesswansonii9319 2 года назад

    Ah, yes. Extending your touch. One of the only proper usages for an M:TG rules reference card. The other being breaking into your apartment when you've locked your keys inside and you need to use the card trick to slip past your lock.

  • @MSmith-Photography
    @MSmith-Photography 2 года назад

    It's so cursed that it's made you sick...or at least sound like you're sick. 🤣

  • @AYEcorolla
    @AYEcorolla Год назад

    I guess this might come from my back ground, when someone says "x is intimidating"
    I just remember now matter how complicated something is, in the Army, if you yell at it and the right people long enough, you'll learn how to make it work.

  • @wcproductions2024
    @wcproductions2024 4 месяца назад

    Rumor has it, the world's most powerful super computer is just a Mac Plus to the infinity power

  • @kFY514
    @kFY514 2 года назад +2

    How is that clip-on upgrade even supposed to work? I'm not an expert on electronics, but doesn't it mean that all the signals come to and from _both_ the original 68k CPU and the upgrade card? Did they use some kind of weird trick to bypass the original CPU?

    • @Jope9k
      @Jope9k 2 года назад +3

      No weird trick, the accelerator asserts bus request similarly to if you had a dma expansion that wanted the bus. The accelerator just never relinquishes the bus, so the 68k will just sit there waiting forever in tristated mode.

    • @kFY514
      @kFY514 2 года назад

      @@Jope9k So does that mean that nothing _else_ can use DMA on such a system? Maybe that's what causing issues with SCSI?

    • @Jope9k
      @Jope9k 2 года назад

      @@kFY514 true, but I doubt there is any dma in a mac plus, since to my knowledge early macs are very much cpu bound for everything. My guess on the errors is that he was running system 7. The working boot disk had system 6 on it, which sounds like that's the last one that works wirh this turbo. I'm not a mac guy tho, so who knows :-)

  • @thedungeondelver
    @thedungeondelver 2 года назад +6

    "It was the best computer the could buy!"
    _Laughs in Commodore Amiga_

    • @elmosexwhistle
      @elmosexwhistle 2 года назад +2

      Yeah, soon after the A2000 was released, a total beast for the money.

    • @thedungeondelver
      @thedungeondelver 2 года назад +1

      @@elmosexwhistle I recall a quote attributed to Jean Louis Gasee who was Apple's head of engineering for Europe who said that when the Amiga came out they were in a panic - it was yoinks better than a Macintosh at way less the price...but they calmed down when they realized Commodore had no idea how to market it.

  • @dontbekurt
    @dontbekurt 2 года назад

    Is it possible, that the VRM or whatever the equivalent is can handle an 030?
    This seems very similar the g4 cube when using a much upgraded cou.

  • @toddholcomb1
    @toddholcomb1 2 года назад

    Now I see why your video didn't come out until Sunday - I'm sure you were trying everything possible until the last second to try to get things working... 😀

  • @AmstradExin
    @AmstradExin 2 года назад +1

    2599$??? Or get an Amiga/ST for half, hehe. At least you can carry around the mac. these are super light.

  • @bryandrobny7690
    @bryandrobny7690 2 года назад

    Rominator makes me thing of those Roaman noodles

  • @sbstndltn
    @sbstndltn 2 года назад +2

    That moment when your drive has more processing power than the computer it’s connected to.

  • @AngeloTelesforo
    @AngeloTelesforo 2 года назад

    I have a PerformerPro! But mine is the Classic version.

  • @jessepatterson8897
    @jessepatterson8897 2 года назад

    se was also the first with a "super drive" a name that would live on, HD FD drive, my first mac! great video.

  • @JamesTK
    @JamesTK 2 года назад

    The internet needs a skit where a Mac is pushed off the table

  • @apogeedata
    @apogeedata 2 года назад

    I know my life is completely pathetic when I get ready for bed at night and I’m just waiting to see what he could do with an old Mac 😂