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Tracing for the gains is great, tracing for the likes is forbidden. Now go out there and have a fantastic Sunday or go straight to the principal's office 🤓
*Edit Just want to clarify there’s NO POINT in tracing if it’s not followed with a non-traced copy. Using tracing for any step of the final illustration is not helping you, except maybe to get likes. I’m reading a lot of comments that seem to miss that part.
Saw another vid about the same topic that pointed out that the whole point of tracing for gains is to build muscle memory on various shapes you'll use in the future, so not doing a non-traced copy after is defeating the purpose.
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True. I told my friend about this (he's an artist too) but he said I was wrong???
And I was like: "Lmao I improved my drawing skills by tracing, paying attention to details, redrawing anew,… what are you talking about?"
Show ur art then, how improved are you?
@@brosbitz7345 Are you suggesting that I should show him my drawings, or are you asking me to put my drawings here for everyone to see? 😅
@@lamphan4333 ye, let me see
@@lamphan4333to show the steady improvement to your friend because of you tracing. (If you still have the old drawings of course 😅)
@@Yonaguti Oh ofc, I've done that already but he’s a tough one (he doesn't believe in this method and said that my improvement was mainly because of my talents and my luck??? Wth really) so I don't want to waste my time to discuss about this anymore. As you know, we still have work to do 🤣 like drawing and improving
Fun Fact If you Trace your own Art a little bit to a specific Direction again, and again, and again, you're practically Animating 😊
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📱: bro shut up
@@Saint_Wolf_ LOL
a lot of great artist recommend tracing, its very fun to trace for your own amusement too.
Thanks for this! I was wondering if tracing could be useful to learn, but when I looked it up it was all just "tracing bad!".
Tracing it and then posting it like it's your own, THATS BAD. but using it to measure your art and learning which lines work and don't work, that's fine
Tracing is SUPER GOOD for STUDYING
@@WingZX1103 I just don´t get what the point of "tracing and posting it as your own" even is tbh.
Tracing isn't bad as other people have pointed out its benefit. Whether it's good or bad depends on what you are going to do after that. Are you posting your traced work on social media and said "I made this"? You've just thrown yourself into the fire pit. If you're posting your work with original artwork including crediting to original artist, then there is absolutely nothing wrong.
@@janina3879 Well, that just goes to prove you have nothing to worry about. If you can't understand the impulse, you'll be fine. Trace to your hearts content.
Tracing really helped me when I was still learning, it helped bridge a lot of the gaps i couldn't see when doing studies
I can confirm! I got really depressed over the early months of this year, and traced CSP models to make up for my art (that i thought sucked), and now after quitting tracing, my anatomy skills are amazing!😊💖
I too wasted a lot of time resisting the trace-over sketch process, as I felt it was a waste of time to draw the same thing twice, but I too have since given in, and while it has slowed me down some, it's vastly improved the quality of my art, as well as forced me to process different steps that I was ignoring before, making me learn better structuring, anatomy, and proportion.
Broooo, the lineart advice was so useful, came in exactly at the time I was wondering about it 😭😭
I would love to see a video on hue and changing hue to add more color variation to our drawings, I understand it is about ambient and how light bounces from objects but something about it doesn't click, don't know why but I find it difficult. Your simple way of explaining things is really good so maybe you could simplify hue even more for us, to not be intimidated by millions of combinations color vise. Thank you Marc for your time!
Yes! This is true! I usually trace to find character proportions if I want to study a character. And then I draw the character on the blank space with those proportions, it works really well :D
I also started doing the cleanup trace step - I am now well on my way to making my first portfolio that I am confident enough to actually share and apply with! This is an excellent video that I also could have used 20 years ago - but hey, its all in the journey. ✌️😘
Tracing is like having training wheels, helps to keep on track. Probably the best way for any new artist to build up experience.
I use tracing after making a Frankensteins monster model to help me make my art, like i take an arm from one pose, a leg from another, etc.
Very useful
Thanks for the video Marc! I've actually been doing this for the last year as well. Getting the main structure from a reference, then removing the reference and using the base form to create an original work. Works especially well when you extract the perspective from an existing piece, or a photo. I was kind of shy to mention I did this due to the stigma tracing has, but seeing this video has reafirmed that I'm using it the right way. Always love your videos, gets me pumped up to go and do some art of my own!
Hold up that’s not what I’m doing! Super important distinction here is that you need to do it like my second example and copy without tracing as a second step, otherwise there’s really not much to learn from the process and it’ll forever be a crutch you have to rely on!
@@YTartschool My bad! I worded that very poorly, I didn't mean to imply I just traced the base and drew over that, though rereading my comment that's certainly what it sounds like. to be clear it's more like 1) Trace the base form, usually from a photo, 2) Remove reference, complete manequin or an overall simple shape 3) put that at the side, make a new copy through observation from the manequin to "build" the basic forms, usually exagerating features or changing as suited, like changing arms position, rotating the head, increasing foreshortening or the like. (flipping in the process to make sure the form still makes sense) 4) create new actual drawing sketch over this new "copy", refine actual features. 5) Do lineart over this new sketch and move along.
The point is, using a photo as a main reference can be overwhelming, and trying to setup a manequin or a 3D model us usually cumbersome and time consuming, but by creating a "traced manequin" to then use THAT as a reference is what actually helps and is usually faster.
Just tracing and drawing over it doing a different work hasn't actually helped much other than to create a "skin" of the original work if that makes sense.
I only improved through tracing, it's literally like learning from the artists you love, but instead of the artist being there you learn from their art, how they draw the hair, the eyes the nose and so on, until your hand starts gets used to drawing these shapes. Tracing is one of the best beginners practice tools.
Ooh I like that, trick the brain into thinking line art is tracing your own art while focusing on line thickness and quality. I often find it scary to do lineart cuz I think it has to be PERFECT, but in reality it just has to have intention.
Why is it lighter to darker, thinner to thicker, why is there shading under or above certain parts, are certain things overlapping? This way you aren’t mindlessly inking, you’re thinking about the WHY.
I think that get a lot more done with arts if you think to yourself: "It doesn't have to be perfect."
damn as i ve been working in photoshop for years when i started learning to paint it came natural to trace my own sketch to get a cleaner look. i sometimes do two of these and leave one on low opacity as it adds some nice looking details to the lineart.
I am always happy to see these. So many people out there need somewhere to start with art but people will make things seem taboo or have no real advice just restrictions. A lot of people could have gotten much better at art or even gotten into it at all with some practices that are seen as negative because of bad actors.
So simple rules, but so useful. I also laugh how Ross was roasted in the beginning, LOL
For me personally in the last couple of weeks, it has mostly been case #3. Where I "trace" over my own squiggly, messy sketches or unrefinded older drawings to refine them. And yes, I can feel that my stroke confidence improves partially. So does my proportion recognition, when just draw from reference, not directly tracing. Yes, sometimes they are still a little bit off, but it gets better with practice.
I sometimes trace poses and draw a different character on top of them
I really needed this video. I've practiced with tracing for a little while now, and though i like to think its helped, i always felt like i was cheating or looking for a shortcut to improvement. Now i see how to properly trace and practice, and i feel alot more confident in this practice! Great video
This is what I've been trying to teach!! Tracing isn't evil if you use it for learning. Way back then, sometimes I can't figure out WHY a pose looks good, or what I'm missing in anatomy. So I trace something similar and just pay attention to the shapes and strokes I'm making.. then it clicks! Then I scrap the image and do it on my own and it's much better then before.
BUT, do not rely on it to teach you constantly. You'll want to learn how to measure, replicate, put shapes together of objects you haven't traced before on your own. I find tracing is mainly a good early new artist's tool for learning and grasping things.
I remember asking a question similar regarding the measuring proportions and it's great that this video came about almost like a follow up to the answer I got! Very, very helpful.
Been doing it in a way where I trace the image initially, and then try again without tracing next to it. It's led to several big "Oooooh, that's how I was messing up" moments xD
Ah yes, my favorite time of the week coming around
Tracing to me is an especially helpful tool when I feel like something's off but can't quite tell what it is
Especially considering shapes and proportion
This is great! I just watched your other video on deliberate practice and I’m excited to combine that approach with learning to break down anatomy proportions and shapes.
Many MANY top commercial artists back in the day traced from photographs and it was norm part of process. There is a great video of Drew Struzan talking about it on YT.
I know as a western comic book penciler/inker, those ugly detail lines are used moreso to help establish form so we don't get rid of them and your line clean up stage is effectively our inking stage, though many penciler now concentrate on this things such as a line weights ect.
the first art tutorial that i think will help me for sure
You know he is good when the copy is better
I just bought a digital tablet and was having a ton of difficulty drawing where I wasn't looking (i.e looking at the screen while my hands are out of my main focus), so I just grabbed some other peoples line art (I'm like 30 days into drawing so I don't really have any of my own art yet, as I'm still learning) and started tracing them. I've gotten a lot better with the tablet and I've really improved my ability to draw big smooth lines. With that being said, I always make sure to tell my friends that the art was traced (just showing them my progress with the tablet) and I NEVER post it online or claim it as mine own.
A+ great way to get used to the hand-eye disconnect indeed!
J'peux pas croire que ce video sort en même temps que je recois mon Ipad pour faire justement ça! Merci et bonjour du Québec!
I use tracing to learn proportions and how the body parts twist and move in each pose..and all that is saved in my memory..anytime i want to draw from my imagination i just simply acces that simplified structure i memorized...😉if i do a tracing, i can replicate it from memory right away.😉tracing is a faster way to improve ur pose and gesture drawing witout strugling to observe from referennce...it's more like a cheat... For exemple, trace a pose 2 times with simplified forms...after that do it from memory..u will be surprized 😉
I like to trace something and use the traced as reference later. So I can see how it looks correctly and can see how it would look in my style or in a different body type f.e.
Sometimes I let my final scetch overlap with the traced-reference to check for bif differences and check if it was intended or not.
Thank you for the nuggets, Mr Mark, I was very hungry today!!
Thanks, Mark!
The best part about all the free brush packs online is that none support the software I use ╯︿╰
I always get confused how to trace clothing, hard to pick some times which are the relevant fold, or sometimes the lighting is not the best.
Thanks for your tips.
Hi marc I always watch your videos I hope you do more master studies in the future! I mean other master artists since you are a master yourself too.. thanks a lot!!
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huh, that's how I got started.
Your final product must be solely done with the skills you have developed and tracing can be one of the excellent ways to develop those skills. Don't even think of including tracing to make a final product, unless you want to cheat, and that's a totally different ball game.
Cool shirt Marc
the OG intro is backkkk
Mark I think Voldemort has possessed the back of your head. He probably wasn’t expecting to walk into an entire mine field though.
alright. fee paid. Thanks for this :D
"Now i know what to do, thanks Marc."
- Shexyo, 2019
tracing can just be a way of looking closely
I've been telling people this for a long time
Wonderful intro, as always haha 😆
how do you get the refrence photos? everywhere i looked it either was low quality (like blurry or smthn) or cant get a decent enough refrence (too much information to even focus on. incomprehsable. etc.)
Can anyone comment on tracing non-photographs. I.e. I love the style of Cartoon Saloon's Irish folklore films and would love to be able to draw/paint like that. What do we think to tracing those?
Or is it just for photographs/line quality?
English is not my first language so i got confused about tracing. What does it actually mean? Is it still considered tracing if i look at an object at from afar and start drawing it cause i do that all the time and now i am getting quite good at it.
After purchasing single term can i acces the files for rest of the life ?
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Can i use those free brushes for krita?
I started to love drawing by tracing Sonic characters. Then I evolved into drawing anime.
I use csp models for poses but draw everything else idk if that’s considered tracing or not
yes, you're tracing the pose. Dont forget two things tho: these models arent always anatomically correct, and you should try to draw them side-by-side or copy the trace to improve your skills
these might not mattet depending on your art goals
0:41 did he tried to tells us that Rossdraws is cheating?😂
Just like drunk driving, tracing is illegal only if someone catches you doing it!
dayum daniel er er er er er
Who caught that 😂 6:13
🔥🔥🔥🔥
I traced through my sketches
I only trace poses cuz I cant do human anatomy well.
And you’ll stay that way unless you pair it with a copy that’s not traced like my second example! Can’t emphasize this enough, tracing is useless to develop skills unless it’s used properly
In my experience it hasn't helped at all but ok. You're just following lines. If you actually analyze the anatomy while you're doing it, you don't really need the tracing. Just use it as a reference or collect it into your world-observation-knowledge-mental-image-collection-thing
hiiii
"Its very...sketchy" 😂
Tracing is great to learn anatomy. Tracing is bad if you steal someone else's art without permission. Tracing your own free hand drawn art is no issue at all.
So true
Didn't get the idea. Stealing is bad, not tracing someone's work. You may trace whatever you want in educational matter without posting it in the Internet, what's the problem?
@muteyourbrains4516 Tracing just for education or to study anatomy is fine as long as you don't post it or claim it as your own. If you do post, you must have written consent from the person you traced, otherwise, it is art theft/plagiarism
What's important is to keep analyzing what you're doing and not going through the motions.
Bs. Tracing your own sh1tty art Leads you to nowhere. Tracing from professionals is what he should do. Always learn from the best. And get to know the lines of a correct piece. You waste your time when you trace your own art that carries mistakes. With that knowledge of line movement you can go ahead and create your own things. It‘s just important to fill your library (brain) with correct knowledge. Unlearning wrong knowledge will take you sm longer to get where you want to be.
I thought the last one was a normal step for making art.
1. Sketch
2. *Lineart*
3. Coloring
4. Lighting and shading
@@Kyuubey0406 It’s my least favorite part of the process, but I push through it.
@@Kyuubey0406in tge beginning it's hard, but it's one of the best parts when you obtain the skills for it
I am ashamed to report to all of you that ever since my tablet broke, I just skip line art, go straight to shading, and don't even use solid black lines anymore.
@@arandomreplyguy3382 And it's good muscle memory training to draw nice lines and curbs !
My last hour in a nutshell :
1. Draw a face.
2. Adjust the eyes size and position.
3. F* it, just redraw them.
4. Clean and adjust with eraser.
5. I should have just kept the first sketch, this is worse !
6. Repeat steps 3 to 5 until step 5 goes away for a vacation in the Caribbeans (don't worry it always comes back) .
Optional #7 : Unhide the layers to realise my lineart is now way more fine-tuned on the face than on the rest of the body and I will have to apply this level of nitpicking everywhere. Oh, that will be fuuun ! /¤==' (> w
My problem with tracing has always been that there was ALWAYS that kid in class that obviously traced something and then passed it off as their own. Everyone treated them like they were genius or something.
The way I would deal with those people is I would say "Oh cool, I've seen the original image you copied that from!" and watch them get really quiet lol. Or they'd get really defensive and accidentally reveal that they were tracing.
To be fair I used to trace stuff as a kid for practice and then that turned into being able to replicate a drawing that LOOKED like it was traced.
Focus on your stuff. Fire will tell real gold.
*sweats nervously* I used to do that in my early highschool days lol
I see I triggered all the tracers
I like tracing to check if my anatomy matches. Most people have rules that make absolutely no sense. Art is free and even a coulage is art and it simply consists of putting together photos.Yes, you learn less, but in the end it's the result that counts.
What I like to do is put together scenes from photos and then paint over them. This creative part where you don't have to think about drawing or anatomy, but just about the composition is great
Actually, tracing is a great way to learn more, especially if you are a beginner (or if you are learning a new technique). If I were a complete novice at art, it would take me twice as long to observe on my own than it would if I traced to figure out *what* to observe.
In fact, when I was a child, I drew all the time without tracing. It wasn't until I started tracing as an 11 year old that I made any significant progress.
By 12 I had quit tracing, because I felt like I learned a lot! I started putting my new observational skills to the test. My art lost quality after I quit tracing to learn, but I kept drawing anyway--and this time, I really knew WHAT to improve.
By 13, I was extremely proficient in art *without* tracing or references. When I got into high school, I got pretty popular pretty quickly for my art, and even though I didn't take extracurricular art classes, one of the art teachers asked me to make stuff for her classes anyway lol. And I did, because that teacher was awesome and I felt bad for not taking their classes.
Nowadays, I don't draw as much as I used to, but those skills I gained when I traced to learn have stuck with me all these years later. It's almost impossible to lose that knowledge. Learning something too slowly really doesn't help anyone; it's easier to lose information that way.
The prime example of this is Hirohiko Araki's Jojo's Bizzare Adventure, a lot of pose are traced from model magazines and it's not even 1 on 1 copy of the reference image. And he is someone who got a collab with Gucci
Tracing is an amazing thing to do to improve your art skills! I always encourage artists to do it for studying purposes. As long as you dont claim its your own work, no problem at all 😊
That Ross roasting in the beginning tho lmao
my exam is the day after tomorrow.
After this, I'll come back to this video as part of applying myself more to drawing.
I hope it goes well
Thank you, Mark Brunet, for your years of instruction and guiding us to draw better. I hope your year goes well
great tip for tracing. I also trace my drawings for final lineart as well. it is really useful. ofc the first, is a good tip for studying poses and cloth fold
Tracing makes sense if your mind makes it easier to draw by visualizing the already finished sketch. But it sort of relies on intuition and focus, the kind of focus that doesn't require any effort whatsoever.
Not even really intuition imo, just looking where the lines are and following them
I just realized that because of your videos I can now draw many more poses without seeing an image and only with my visual library, thanks although sometimes I feel like I'm copying but I don't recognize
This is so weird. I was literally tracing Tokyo Revengers characters yesterday (I love the art style sm) and then today this video was recommended to me. How uncanny 😳😳
4:23 I recently did this! 😂 i can say that it helped so much with making character poses!
Tracing your own art… 👁👄👁 wdym not many ppl do that?
😂 i have too many final lineworks of the final lineworks.
Definitely helps a lot, ive been inking that way for years.
Sometimes instead of a final lineart pass, I will tidy up the sketch and add in line weight and to it. Often my sketches look final depending on the style I’m going for.
Over time this method will make inking more final, as one gains experience. Some artists ive seen say this is a sketch and it looks clean like the example above! 😮
I cant spot the difference corporate, they’re the same picture
I used to trace your drawings 😅 but now I know why I improved so fast⏩. Thanks for the incredible class Marc
Can you make a video about anime art style please I’ve been trying to draw like demon slayer
hhmm.. I think I should try this exercise next time
Sounds levels are annoyingh... Turn down the jazz and fix it please... Nice video btw
3:40 Marc you forgot to link the video in the description
Man! As a newbie artist this makes a lot of sense. Thank you 🔥
Tracing to then post without artist addition= bad
Tracing generic model or reference, then adjust shapes to your liking plus other edits= good
Tracing to post without credit is stealing. Tracing to learn is stealing like an artist.
Im a 3d artist, to learn 2d im taking my 3d scenes, tracing over them and adding detail.
if i join your art school do i have those resources forever? or is it a course i need to complete within a certain amount of time?
I told you guys... the best art profesor doesnt exis.... ohhhhh *gets kinnapped for some random ufo
I confess to you, teacher Marc Brunet... Since I recently decided to try to learn how to draw again when I first saw your channel a week or two ago... although I mostly drew in the traditional style (drawing on paper) and I really wanted to draw in digital (since on my 15th birthday my parents bought a drawing tablet, which I really wanted when I was in elementary school, but I very rarely touched it because I’m constantly afraid of making a mistake and constantly scold myself for every wrong one line, expecting great results from myself, having high expectations for myself, forgetting about the drawing process itself... which makes me feel sorry for my drawing tablet).. Now I'm 17... And the first time I wanted to become an artist... was at 7-8 (I don’t remember exactly, but I drew a very clumsy drawing of Sailor Moon at that time).. But I grew up... time passed..... And I began to compare my clumsy drawings with others, more experienced artists.. because of which I began to lose interest in drawing and hate my drawings... Although now that I have grown up.. and you can say I'll be 18 next month.. this means that I will become an adult and a fully capable person... who will not have much free time to draw.. And I kept thinking, is it too late for me to start drawing? After all, I see that some children draw better than me, because of which envy eats me up... not just envy, but dark envy... Which is not good, although I try to calm myself down. And I understand that all artists started from where they drew terribly and they put a lot of practice and time into their drawing skill and knowing this I calm down a little, although not completely.. I’m just trying to bring back that same love and passion for drawing that I had as a child... will I again learn how to love my drawings and not hate myself for them, not to give up on drawing without even starting to draw just because I couldn’t draw a simple sketch, not to procrastinate, but to go towards the goal and draw how I love and what I love.... Overcoming my fear, overcoming my envy and procastination... and just start drawing what I like and how I like... In a sense, you even inspired me and instilled, albeit small and weak, but a glimmer of hope.. that if I put at least a little effort and time into drawing... that I can really call myself an artist in the future.... Thank you.❤
Im thinking about tracing the faces of people in my morning newspaper every day. Just to learn the right proportion of the face.
i use tracing for anatomy and poses.. feel like ive learned alot through tracing
Great video, Marc. Tracing is a good way to level up your skills. It seems a lot of people are getting hung up on the idea you shouldn't use tracing for ANYTHING, not even training and practice. Tracing for use in final art and not disclosing it to your audience is gonna hurt you as an artist in the long run, while tracing to help develop your fundamentals should absolutely be encouraged.
I trace over lines and circles everyday as a linework exercise. I gotta say I can finally draw perspective with confidence now.
I wish I can draw as good as you. 😢