Great video - have been thinking alot about the idea of GAMEFLOW then vs now - you can feel the difference in gameflow vs fish and regs - the way the game feels vs regs is almost robotic in some ways in spots where it never felt like that before. As you point out, certain textures have a pure strategy that most of the better players understand at this point and tend to follow and are attempting to implement a strategy that is what they believe to be theoretical correct based on outputs they believe to be accurate or best practices. In the past, you would see regs use different types of strategies on these same textures vs now where most regs might default to a set strategy with a much better understanding of how to split range and why with a clearer outlook for future street strategy. A good example for PLO 6m cash would be - i always felt like it was challenging for many players to learn to play against a very aggressive 3bettor who was very aggressive post-flop because the best way to learn was through trial & error. You had to figure out how to adjust your ranges pre-flop and then how post-flop strategy changes due to the wide ranges and that is where the beauty of poker is showcased and you relied upon how your results were to define your takeaways from the adjustments. Now you're able to run a solve for pre-flop to get a visual understanding of how to adjust and then able to plug all those spots into programs that give you outputs on exactly how you could be thinking about it. When I found regs who I could tell were uncomfortable and didn't understand a strong counter in those spots, your gameflow adjustment might be to really turn up the aggression on that player when you have the best of them. I imagine this still applies at live poker vs many player types whereas vs online regs not as much vs in the past where I felt like it did matter (but might be overrating this as well)
Thank you, Joey! Yeah, absolutely. I feel like live poker still has a number of the elements that online poker used to have but has lost. Relentless (selective) aggression can work really well.
I just wanna say, the reason I asked about this is because I remember in an interview with past bluefirepoker members, someone asked a bunch of players who the worst person in the world was at poker. I forget who, but one said it was Phil Galfond because he got too carried away with this one strategy where Phil said it was optimal to go all in when you were polarized to the nuts or nothing (paraphrasing but something like that) . Interesting to see that was not one of the past practices that is out :D .
could you make a video that goes more in depth about small bet sizes and provide some examples of when to do so ? I have a hard time with bet sizing in general and I default to potting when I'm unsure... a video like this would be super helpful for me :D
With regard to the last story… most people fall into the trap of thinking, “I have to go all in here because I have zero equity and I’ve been telling the story that I have a monster. I HAVE to go all in, I have no choice”… you always have a choice and if you’re a player in a position like mentioned, you need to take a minute and consider the action up to that point, the probable range of the opponent and does it give them an advantage, their position, eg…. I mean, if a lot of these factors are in your opponents favour you shouldn’t have been trying to bluff anyways, but… don’t feel pressure to do something that has a negative expected value. You shouldn’t care if you look stupid to your opponents… they’re the villains, the bad guys, the newb donkey riding fish who doesn’t know the difference between ev and equity. Your loyalty is to your chips and keeping them safe and sound at home… not worrying about the thoughts of opponents who play j4 because someone used it to beat the man.
Well, to be honest, 10years ago, people were overfolding so much in NLHE that over-cbetting was, most of the time, profitable. Today, everybody "floats" the flop with backdoor ace high...
Top 5 Ways Phil's Strategies Have Changed 5. Too much c-betting the flop in the past. 4. Polarized preflop three-betimg in spots where he has no.calls was a big past play. 3. Three betting too many hands that are not good enough to call is outdated and incorrect. 2. Using too many small bet sizes. (Small bets are important, esp OOP, but Phil used to use them too much). 1. In the past, using game flow too often in his decisions.
Interesting to hear. Good to here your mic is better....Editing note: IMO there's no need for the tiny sharp-cuts that were in the first 5 minutes of the vid....They kind of ruin the...gameflow!
@@PhilGalfond I think that play poker trying to avoid pain is a mistake. You didnt raise the turn because you dont want to look stupid? Well, there is a lot of stupid people playing poker and making a lot of stupid things so what? When you do a little search work you find that every gangster high stakes poker player (the russians at the top of this list) had played "out of range" at some point. Then shoving 85o is not a big issue to worried about. I love your videos. ♥️
Really enjoy your strategy stuff on here your wife's pretty feisty on Twitter we disagreed a few times but I've always been gentlemanly to her as you are
If he was a good live player I wouldn't recommend going all in, with the 8 5, just because he is raising most likely because he thinks he has a read on you in that spot and thinks he has the best hand. If he has a read shoving over him is not neccesarily going to bring him off his read.
Great video - have been thinking alot about the idea of GAMEFLOW then vs now - you can feel the difference in gameflow vs fish and regs - the way the game feels vs regs is almost robotic in some ways in spots where it never felt like that before. As you point out, certain textures have a pure strategy that most of the better players understand at this point and tend to follow and are attempting to implement a strategy that is what they believe to be theoretical correct based on outputs they believe to be accurate or best practices. In the past, you would see regs use different types of strategies on these same textures vs now where most regs might default to a set strategy with a much better understanding of how to split range and why with a clearer outlook for future street strategy.
A good example for PLO 6m cash would be - i always felt like it was challenging for many players to learn to play against a very aggressive 3bettor who was very aggressive post-flop because the best way to learn was through trial & error. You had to figure out how to adjust your ranges pre-flop and then how post-flop strategy changes due to the wide ranges and that is where the beauty of poker is showcased and you relied upon how your results were to define your takeaways from the adjustments. Now you're able to run a solve for pre-flop to get a visual understanding of how to adjust and then able to plug all those spots into programs that give you outputs on exactly how you could be thinking about it. When I found regs who I could tell were uncomfortable and didn't understand a strong counter in those spots, your gameflow adjustment might be to really turn up the aggression on that player when you have the best of them. I imagine this still applies at live poker vs many player types whereas vs online regs not as much vs in the past where I felt like it did matter (but might be overrating this as well)
Thank you, Joey! Yeah, absolutely. I feel like live poker still has a number of the elements that online poker used to have but has lost.
Relentless (selective) aggression can work really well.
Somehow the videos keep getting better! Which is to say, they were already great. Awesome stuff in this one.
Thank you very much, Jesper!!
Really like these old videos where you talk about the old way and the new way!
Oh dang that was me!! I used to fall asleep to bluefirepoker videos almost every night like 10 years ago xD . Love that Phil is still making vids!!
I just wanna say, the reason I asked about this is because I remember in an interview with past bluefirepoker members, someone asked a bunch of players who the worst person in the world was at poker. I forget who, but one said it was Phil Galfond because he got too carried away with this one strategy where Phil said it was optimal to go all in when you were polarized to the nuts or nothing (paraphrasing but something like that) . Interesting to see that was not one of the past practices that is out :D .
You are my favorite Phil!
could you make a video that goes more in depth about small bet sizes and provide some examples of when to do so ? I have a hard time with bet sizing in general and I default to potting when I'm unsure... a video like this would be super helpful for me :D
Thanks for making the vid, as usual, "Full of The Good Oil," as we say Downunder.
1:14 lol just saw the cardplayer interview with Kristy arnet where you talked about that
With regard to the last story… most people fall into the trap of thinking, “I have to go all in here because I have zero equity and I’ve been telling the story that I have a monster. I HAVE to go all in, I have no choice”… you always have a choice and if you’re a player in a position like mentioned, you need to take a minute and consider the action up to that point, the probable range of the opponent and does it give them an advantage, their position, eg…. I mean, if a lot of these factors are in your opponents favour you shouldn’t have been trying to bluff anyways, but… don’t feel pressure to do something that has a negative expected value. You shouldn’t care if you look stupid to your opponents… they’re the villains, the bad guys, the newb donkey riding fish who doesn’t know the difference between ev and equity. Your loyalty is to your chips and keeping them safe and sound at home… not worrying about the thoughts of opponents who play j4 because someone used it to beat the man.
Great video
So many people are still C-betting way too frequently.
Well, to be honest, 10years ago, people were overfolding so much in NLHE that over-cbetting was, most of the time, profitable.
Today, everybody "floats" the flop with backdoor ace high...
Top 5 Ways Phil's Strategies Have Changed
5. Too much c-betting the flop in the past.
4. Polarized preflop three-betimg in spots where he has no.calls was a big past play.
3. Three betting too many hands that are not good enough to call is outdated and incorrect.
2. Using too many small bet sizes. (Small bets are important, esp OOP, but Phil used to use them too much).
1. In the past, using game flow too often in his decisions.
Thank you for the cliffs!
Thanks a million
Interesting to hear. Good to here your mic is better....Editing note: IMO there's no need for the tiny sharp-cuts that were in the first 5 minutes of the vid....They kind of ruin the...gameflow!
the audio is top knotch now. thanks for figuring that out.
Thanks! There may be 1-2 more videos left from a bad audio recording session but I feel it should be fixed in all future vids.
The way he describes that hand makes it feel like it was one of the most painful in his poker memory.
The pain was palpable, yes.
It was THE most painful! Wish I could play that one over again.
@@PhilGalfond I honestly felt it when you were talking about it. I felt the pain.
@@PhilGalfond I think that play poker trying to avoid pain is a mistake.
You didnt raise the turn because you dont want to look stupid? Well, there is a lot of stupid people playing poker and making a lot of stupid things so what?
When you do a little search work you find that every gangster high stakes poker player (the russians at the top of this list) had played "out of range" at some point.
Then shoving 85o is not a big issue to worried about.
I love your videos.
♥️
The goat
"Relatively" successful career!
So just be tighter?
When you said most memorable hand I thought you are going to talk about the KJ river bluff getting called by KQ 🤐
That’s my second most memorable hand :)
But the fear advantage of being that guy who 3bet jammed 8 high no draw for a bracelet surely counterbalances any level of emotional pain
Really enjoy your strategy stuff on here your wife's pretty feisty on Twitter we disagreed a few times but I've always been gentlemanly to her as you are
I scroll down and all the comments are favorited with this one
@@richardmccormick311 not sure what you mean
If he was a good live player I wouldn't recommend going all in, with the 8 5, just because he is raising most likely because he thinks he has a read on you in that spot and thinks he has the best hand. If he has a read shoving over him is not neccesarily going to bring him off his read.
That funny but sad moment when you realize you've been playing poker longer than Phil...
why do you look younger than you do in the high stakes games like 20 years ago lmao