I spent a very memorable day training on the buttercup trainer in Newport, RI. We were a bunch of hospital corpsmen who basically had just watched a couple of films on how to patch pipes and plug holes and shore up hatches. So we didn't keep Buttercup from sinking. At least the water in Buttercup was a lot cleaner. Later on, I went to a frigate. Couple of days after I reported aboard, we had a firemain strainer blow out in the diesel generator compartment and that flooded about chest deep before we figured out what was happening and got the water shut off. Spent the next three months tied to the pier getting the diesel generators, and everything else in those compartments, rebuilt and repaired. Later on, after a yard period, we got sent to Guantanamo Bay for damage control refresher training. In the ten days before we arrived, we had a lot of training and preparation. And we had a man overboard, a main space fire, flooding and buckling bulkheads, and a major trauma injury. It was a very bad week.
I was gonna add that they then hit a nail into the center to put more pressure on the hole, (ok didn’t spot the lathe.) And of course thanks for the great videos!!
The "Strike Marks" on the wood plug ends are in fact marks from the Lathe that held the wood when they were turned. The part on the lathe is known as a "Drive Sper" that leaves that mark. You are right about the marks on the sides as being witness marks from them being used. I was a Tool Maker at a company that would make these from time to time for the Navy and commercial ships. The spec called for White Birch. Keep up the great work! Love the channel and hope to get down from Maine to visit the NJ soon.
I was in Repair 5 on an LPH during Desert Shield/Storm. Fortunately, all we faced was a small fire in the insulation on the boiler uptakes. Our training proved very valuable.
One of the best schools I went to was the ‘wet’ damage control (DC) school at Naval Station, San Diego. We trained to patch pipes, how to operate a water pump (P250), and learned how to use shoring (lumber) like Ryan talked about. On the last day we put it all together in a huge mock-up of the inside of a compartment where instructors could turn on valves and water would start to enter the compartment. We had to plug the holes with anything we could find, i.e., DC plugs, shoring, pillows, mattresses, etc. I’m sure the students always lost and the water won. Our last task was to abandon the compartment by exiting UP a vertical ladder with ‘Niagara Falls’ falling down on us while two shipmates guided us up. That was so fun, it was the essence of ‘hands-on’ learning DC. I went thru advanced fire fighting school and radiology school to learn how to use radiation instruments and fighting the ship during nuclear attack. 20.5 years of active naval service aboard 2 CVs, 2 DDs, & 1 LPD. Anchors Aweigh! Go Navy, Beat Army!
USN Vet here, we went thru what is called a "Wet Trainer" to teach us methods of using those timbers to shore up hull breaches, as well as other leaks or compromises in the ships hull integrity.
When I was in UK sea cadets, we went down to his Raleigh with the unit, as part of the unit week, we had a morning in the old damage control training centre, everyone got involved including all the unit instructors including the CO, because it was fun (not so much If it had been real). After 2 hrs we were waist deep in water lol. Sadly we weren't allowed on the new (at the time, it had started use the week before) damage control trainer, it swung so it simulated a ship in rough seas, also when the water poured in, it came in at correct pressure. HMS Raleigh is the boot camp for the royal navy
I wasn’t in the Navy, I was in the fire service and hazmat response. We used the same shoring techniques for urban search and rescue, and the same plugging techniques for hazardous material leaks from tanks.
May I suggest putting a full size periscope in the river (with the appropriate approvals of course) so that the guests can see that Hollywood grossly exaggerates how easy it is to spot an enemy submarine? The Pier 3 Marina is about 1,300 yards off the bow.
@@kennethng8346 A custom build RC rig might be more practical. Not a permanent fixture in the river, and a repeat visitor couldn't be sure where to look for it.
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t I like it too because it’s more accurate. A periscope is hard to see, the feather or wake makes it a little easier, and subs while moving slow at periscope depth were rarely stationary.
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t But then someone would have to operate it as their fulltime job. Also, an RC sub roaming in the river would be considered a hazard to navigation by the USCG and be shut down pretty quickly.
My father severed on the jersey in damage control in the 50s I got chills watching this he died when I was 10 but can still remember him telling story’s about the big J as he called it. I remember when the jersey was being sent to nom and my mother fighting because he wanted to reinlist and my mother going nutz saying she would kill if he tryed I have. To go and see the ( big J) with my son. Tell him some of the story’s my father told wile I still can. Thank you for all your hard work keepin this ship alive I would hate to see her end up like the enterprise
@@fragotron I have no idea what you're talking about but you do seem to be coming across as a bit...fanboyish and over reacting to a very simple joke. Take a chill pill and wash it down with some cognac and relax.
Damage control after Ida--12+ hours of storm/hurricane conditions in NOLA on (of all dates) the 16th Anniversary of Katrina. Got up the next morning and had to put a tarp on the roof to cover where shingles has been torn off and rain was leaking through. Damage to interior walls and ceilings from water incursion. 10 days without power, running minimal items on a generator. So far the tarp and other sealing efforts have significantly reduced the leaking. We have just gone through 3 more days of storm and rain from TS Nicholas. All that said, we are very fortunate. Those west and north of here were hit so much harder. All in the path of Ida have lost some. Some have lost all. Our hearts go out to the families and loved ones of those who didn't make it through the storm and its aftermath.
Really appreciate your entire mission and execution...... nothin' but the facts and about stuff I'd admired for years but could get only so close. The day my enlisted father drive through Norfolk base but we couldn't board a ship, he made up for it, getting me a day on the X-1 submarine out of hometown Annapolis :) About plugs made of yellow pine and not intended to last....... correct it is a soft wood. Expose it to humidity or even immersion enough years and good luck driving a nail into it!!!! Working in restoration of historic homes in Annapolis, I'd dealt with a lot of yellow pine studs....... it petrifies with age, and Annapolis is quite humid being on the Chesapeake Bay. Many the saw blade chewed up by ancient yellow pine too.
Ryan, the Cross Cut saws were available in the military supply system. Going outside the supply chain was a real pain! Great video! Not just battle ship size DC Plugs we had Huge ones on Nimitz Class Carriers. How many DC Awards Does New Jersey have??
Never been so early to one of your videos. Great content, some how u got me so interested in this. I work on day charter yachts and always mention to the guests how we can plug that hole in the cabin. If they have bought any wine on board. It’s a 51ftcat) powercat. Of course we actually have a mallet and a lot of various things to plug the size, never needed them. Thanks for tucking the belt in
Great videos Ryan! Keep up the good work! I'm trying to talk the wife to drive out there with me for the weekend and do a tour with you! We live in Michigan! Maybe next summer!👍
Just as a heads up at 6:46 ish, the strike marks look like they are from the center for a woodworking lathe. It will have a spike in the center then 6 flats that spur off to keep the end of the wood that isn't in the chuck from flopping around.
We were supposed to get Ida as a tropical storm a day or so after landfall, but it wasn't bad at all, not more than normal thunderstorms. We thought Ida was losing steam fast, and then the next day it hit the East Coast hard.
I was in R division on Battleship New Jersey from 89' to 91'. I was part of the Damage Control Training Team. Great videos, It would have been nice to have thrown in a picture of the red "DC" that is painted on the super structure in the video to show the achievement.
at 2:40 the bottom of the diagonal should be cut to butt up against the base block the same as the top...as is the back pressure will crush the bottom of the 45 degree brace
Very interesting to see the types of materials used in the damage control procedures. I suspect that hammer size may not always be a big issue though since there is probably a lot of adrenalin involved lol. Thanks for another great video Ryan.
First rule of damage control: Stop the water from coming in. First rule of museum ship conservation: Stop the water from coming in. Original lumber? Cool!
Your video on the Sammy B illustrated how important damage control is. Not storm damage, but I work in a medical facility and have just had a hot water pipe replaced after the second split in a week. Leaked in ceiling where two main corridors meet. Lots of ceiling and wall repair still to do.
I had the opportunity to go through 2 different damage control trainers at different times to learn how to try to control flooding. One of them was a portion of a ship that was actually floating in a very large swimming pool. We did the training in that several times as it slowly sank to the bottom of the pool. That got you used to trying to do things in a flooding compartment where simply moving around and doing some of the needed tasks by feel was emphasized. Later I went through another trainer that was just a modified section of a normal building. They had drains in the floor so as the water rushed into the room it could be continuously pumped back in with the level of water in the room not getting much more than ankle deep. However, the real challenge came at the end. It was a two story trainer and you had to exit through an escape scuttle into the upper room which was flooded with waist deep water. Trying to get up the ladder through the scuttle with all the water flowing back down had you feeling like a salmon. Both trainers were both instructive, interesting and even a little fun.
The "normal building" DC trainer I went through most likely had drains in the floor, but they sure weren't letting any water out of them during the drill. Water was chest-high by the time we got the "leaks" stopped.
The plug has a mark from the lathe when it was turned. I worked on fish/tug boats when younger we used to keep a bundle of shingles short pieces of rubber hose 1-6 inch in diameter wedges and tarps. Shingles plug cracks folded up tarp and wedges for bigger holes.
In this video you mentioned the crew possibely buying tools at a local store, which brought up a question. How would a ship buy something in a foreign port? Does a naval vessel carry money, or some other means of payment? I'm not thinking of crew members buying things for personal use, but something needed for the ship. Examples might be local food, fuel, a commonly available part for something, etc. Thanks, Jack
THERE IS ONLY ONE MAUL. THE 5 LB MAUL. IT CROSSES THE FIRE FIGHTERS AXE TO CREATE THE DC RATE SYMBOL. lot's of good stuff. would love to see something on repair lockers (especially 5) and DC Central.
We have plugs but also use wedges (they come in 2 or 3 sizes) to plug holes. Rule of thumb being 1 wedge per 1" of hole. Any gaps you split the wedges and hammer them in the gaps
Damage control training is important in the Royal Navy after the Falklands war Damage Repair Instructional Units (DRIU) also known as HMS Havoc were designed for teaching damage control. During the Falkland's war HMS Glamorgan was saved by the effectiveness of the damage control parties.
The readiness exercise report done a few months ago for the USN rated the current capabilities of the damage control teams more towards the WWII Japanese level of proficiency than the US's level.
Damage control at home. Funny you ask. My house has a spring under it. Have to drain the water out through pipes that have holes to let water in. All gravity ran. Just one small problem. Tree roots like to grow in the pipes.
Never had to do damage control on a house but I did have to fix a leak on a boat in less than ideal circumstances. Long story short I was helping a friend move a decent sized boat that he won in an auction, this thing was old and had been used for storage so not much room to move. Not entirely sure what happened but too far into our journey we sprung a leak and it was pretty quick, because the old engine wasn't a great starter we put it in idle incase we couldn't fix the leak and needed to get closer to somewhere dry. We had a surprising amount of stuff to plug that hole, but due to the storage room nature of the boat we then had a lot of smoke appear - some old oil bottles had fallen into the engine compartment, burst and begun to smoke badly. Digging it all out to reach where we needed to be we discovered the worst part yet - a serious amount of sea flares with a troubling crust around the boxes and an expiry date that would have put them out of service during the day's New Jersey was still in use. So we had that to deal with next to oil that was threatening to ignite. I hated that boat, moral of the story is if you get any vehicle crammed with rubbish and told "take it today or leave it", you should probably leave it regardless of how stupidly cheap it is.
I would suggest that the round plugs were mostly for plugging pipes that would break. Water and fuel. Steam would probably have a different type of plug..
@@hlvscomendandeche8744 That's actually an easier situation to deal with. There are isolation valves all over the ship. You just shut the one that's upstream of the break (and downstream of it as well if needed).
Are there higher concentrations of damage control gear in some areas than others or is if fairly evenly distributed below the water line? As for the storm we were fine, but my middle sister was working at a youth homeless shelter in NYC. She got stuck at work because her replacement had a car washed up against the door to their apartment building. She had to bail the leaks at her site out the window because the drains stopped flowing.
I was in the german Navy on a frigate and we have mostly stored our Equipment a Department above the Waterlevel. But in the big machinery room we had also stored wood and small Material inside the rooms depends of the space inside.
I can't believe that a damage control party would be cutting heavy lumber with that puny saw. A gasoline powered chainsaw would seem more like it especially when speed is paramount. When they first surveyed the wreck of RMS _Titanic_ , Robert Ballard and his team observed that the damage to the hull caused by the collision with the iceberg appeared to be an opening in a riveted seam about 150 ft long but not more than 1-1/2 inches wide. If that was the case, they certainly had enough stuff on board to fill that gap and a lot of people to do the stuffing, but apparently no one who understood the concept of damage control. One complication would have been that a significant part of the opening was in a coal bunker so they may have had to shift a lot of coal to get access to the damage.
No damage control at home but my fathers destroyer was hit off Okinawa, and badly damaged at that, With the deck cracked and split across the entire beam, one of the things they did was to cut holes in the 3/8th deck plate, wrap chain around the longitudinals, and take up the slack with chain falls to keep the splits from widening. Dad limped his ship into Kamera Retto (SP??) where he was told "I'm sorry Captain, but your ship is a CTL and isn't worth fixing".
Hi Ryan, Is there any documentation on stability conditions of USS New Jersey in museum files ? As professional seaman I am interested in that conditions and real calculations done during her service. Cpt Kozlowski
9:40 That's how you choose a Battleship curator, when you find out his/her house didn't need flooding protection and waterproofing from the hurricane but the freaking Battleship did.
Those weren't strike marks on that plug. I have hammered a lot of wood in my day, hard and soft, and I didn't see a single hammer mark on that plug. Those marks I did see came from the spindle of the lathe on which that plug was turned.
6:45 that's not a hammer strike mark. It's where the lathe centre dug into to turn the taper. Which makes me wonder, is there wood turning lathes on new jersey? Or metal lathes with carpentry centres?
You mentioned that the bulkheads wouldn't be able to withstand the pressure of water - but what were they there for, then? Isn't the whole point of a bullhead to seal off a flooded compartment?
Wait, random question that I never thought of till now. Who works in the post office on a navy ship? Are they a postal employee on postal pay roll or Navy on Navy pay roll? Are they both somehow? I always knew they had post offices but I just saw the window there and couldn't help but wonder 😂
@battleship new jersey: Were there particular areas that DC training focused on? Ryan mentions being particularly vulnerable to hits below the waterline. Do the standard shoring and plug methods apply to the triple bottom, void/fuel/water spaces near the hull/armor?
Did anyone ever manage to punch any holes in New Jersey? If so how big and above or below the water line? Are there any dents where incoming rounds failed to penetrate?
The USS Massachusetts was hit by the french battleship Jean Bart once. It hit up forward in marine berthing, which was empty at the time, so no casualties and no significant damage. Detonated and made a lot of shrapnel holes and destroyed a lot of the uniforms and such of the marines. They saved the chunk of armor that the shell penetrated and have that on display, and you can see in that compartment all the steel patches welded over all the shrapnel holes.
Was never holed from anything. Some damage from a shell hit in Korea. Superficial stuff. There's a big dent in the bow below the waterline. Don't know what they hit, but wasn't big enough to fix I guess. It's visible during the Vietnam drydock reactivation so it must have been from ww2 or Korea.
My brother saw a video talking about an exercise where the testers really tried to sock it to the DC crews. The DC crew was "trapped," but they found a way through a void space, and they came out on deck about half a ship length aft and the people running the exercise were like "How the heck did you get over there?" We've looked but we can't find that video. Does it sound familiar to anyone else?
I can only speak from my time in the german navy, but when we train flooding situations we got an Inspector from the Officers and he marks a place on the hull with chalk or take a paper where the dimensions and kind of leak are written down. so the crew can work on this simulation. Also when the flooding is trained it always comes with poweroutage and fire in the ship. So the complete crew was busy during the exercises.
@@timk.2381 The Royal Navy has a training "tank" which has a couple of pre-cut holes, it is lowered into a much larger tank full of water. Sailors have to plug the holes as the tank is rolled around. So they don't loose too many sailors during training there are divers on duty to pull out any that are really straggling, but the rest have to carry on.
How do the rudder indicators and steering wheels throughout the ship stay synchronized? Is there some kind of master indicator at the rudder that all control and indication points are linked to?
@@baerster There would be a synchro transmitter on each rudder head, driving the synchro receivers in the port and starboard rudder indicators. Same principal for the gyrocompass and the many gyro repeaters. Wind Speed and Direction system was a bit more complicated. There were synchro transmitters in the sensor units up on the mast, but the speed sender was connected to a little propeller, requiring a conversion to a steady-state reading, then out via a different synchro transmitter. Helm, if relatively modern, would have the wheel connected through some gearing to two synchro transmitters in the helm console. One would drive synchro receivers in the Rudder Order indicators, the other would drive a synchro receiver which controlled the hydraulics in After Steeering. FWIW, this is also how the Engine Order and Prop Order systems worked. Paired synchros. Guess i could mention that a synchro is basically a specialized stepper motor. When wired properly, the rotors would sych up to the same position when power was applied. From that point, moving the rotor on one (transmitter) would cause the rotor on the other synchro (receiver) to move a corresponding amount. Very little torque, but great for indicating and control where the torque isn't required.
I spent a very memorable day training on the buttercup trainer in Newport, RI. We were a bunch of hospital corpsmen who basically had just watched a couple of films on how to patch pipes and plug holes and shore up hatches. So we didn't keep Buttercup from sinking. At least the water in Buttercup was a lot cleaner.
Later on, I went to a frigate. Couple of days after I reported aboard, we had a firemain strainer blow out in the diesel generator compartment and that flooded about chest deep before we figured out what was happening and got the water shut off. Spent the next three months tied to the pier getting the diesel generators, and everything else in those compartments, rebuilt and repaired.
Later on, after a yard period, we got sent to Guantanamo Bay for damage control refresher training. In the ten days before we arrived, we had a lot of training and preparation. And we had a man overboard, a main space fire, flooding and buckling bulkheads, and a major trauma injury. It was a very bad week.
A couple days into my 1987 cruise from Morehead City, we had a water tight integrity issue, not a drill! Everyone stop the water,! Now!
Ship in water: good times.
Water in ship: not much time left.
Imagine a shirt that has this saying after “damage control 101”
@Wiegraf water in in water ship: steel coffin
@Wiegraf water in ship: ship water!
Thats not a hammer mark, thats where it was turned on a wood lathe. Thanks for the great videos!!
I was gonna add that they then hit a nail into the center to put more pressure on the hole, (ok didn’t spot the lathe.)
And of course thanks for the great videos!!
Looks like a hammer mark on top of the lathe claw marks
Beat me to it
The "Strike Marks" on the wood plug ends are in fact marks from the Lathe that held the wood when they were turned. The part on the lathe is known as a "Drive Sper" that leaves that mark. You are right about the marks on the sides as being witness marks from them being used. I was a Tool Maker at a company that would make these from time to time for the Navy and commercial ships. The spec called for White Birch.
Keep up the great work! Love the channel and hope to get down from Maine to visit the NJ soon.
I was in Repair 5 on an LPH during Desert Shield/Storm. Fortunately, all we faced was a small fire in the insulation on the boiler uptakes. Our training proved very valuable.
Worked for a municipal water system for many years and we used wooden plugs once in awhile for emergencies. We called them "Vampire Stakes".
Yeah, while I wasn't a DC, I seem to recall the round plugs were more commonly used to address ruptured pipes, not bullet holes.
One of the best schools I went to was the ‘wet’ damage control (DC) school at Naval Station, San Diego. We trained to patch pipes, how to operate a water pump (P250), and learned how to use shoring (lumber) like Ryan talked about. On the last day we put it all together in a huge mock-up of the inside of a compartment where instructors could turn on valves and water would start to enter the compartment. We had to plug the holes with anything we could find, i.e., DC plugs, shoring, pillows, mattresses, etc. I’m sure the students always lost and the water won. Our last task was to abandon the compartment by exiting UP a vertical ladder with ‘Niagara Falls’ falling down on us while two shipmates guided us up. That was so fun, it was the essence of ‘hands-on’ learning DC. I went thru advanced fire fighting school and radiology school to learn how to use radiation instruments and fighting the ship during nuclear attack.
20.5 years of active naval service aboard 2 CVs, 2 DDs, & 1 LPD. Anchors Aweigh! Go Navy, Beat Army!
Ryan back at it again fueling my battleship addiction
Going to damage control classes was a highlight of my 3rd Class NROTC cruise at Mayport.
Thanks for reminding me of the time spent at damage control school at the Philadelphia Navy Yard.
USN Vet here, we went thru what is called a "Wet Trainer" to teach us methods of using those timbers to shore up hull breaches, as well as other leaks or compromises in the ships hull integrity.
When I was in UK sea cadets, we went down to his Raleigh with the unit, as part of the unit week, we had a morning in the old damage control training centre, everyone got involved including all the unit instructors including the CO, because it was fun (not so much If it had been real). After 2 hrs we were waist deep in water lol.
Sadly we weren't allowed on the new (at the time, it had started use the week before) damage control trainer, it swung so it simulated a ship in rough seas, also when the water poured in, it came in at correct pressure.
HMS Raleigh is the boot camp for the royal navy
I wasn’t in the Navy, I was in the fire service and hazmat response. We used the same shoring techniques for urban search and rescue, and the same plugging techniques for hazardous material leaks from tanks.
May I suggest putting a full size periscope in the river (with the appropriate approvals of course) so that the guests can see that Hollywood grossly exaggerates how easy it is to spot an enemy submarine? The Pier 3 Marina is about 1,300 yards off the bow.
I would suggest a modern webcam, and then on the screen draw a circle showing what a periscope would see.
Good idea. Have every boat in the river worried about hitting a u-boat.
@@kennethng8346 A custom build RC rig might be more practical. Not a permanent fixture in the river, and a repeat visitor couldn't be sure where to look for it.
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t I like it too because it’s more accurate. A periscope is hard to see, the feather or wake makes it a little easier, and subs while moving slow at periscope depth were rarely stationary.
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t But then someone would have to operate it as their fulltime job. Also, an RC sub roaming in the river would be considered a hazard to navigation by the USCG and be shut down pretty quickly.
Oh boy. I'd like to see the Rum bottle that the big plug came out of. ;-)
My father severed on the jersey in damage control in the 50s I got chills watching this he died when I was 10 but can still remember him telling story’s about the big J as he called it. I remember when the jersey was being sent to nom and my mother fighting because he wanted to reinlist and my mother going nutz saying she would kill if he tryed I have. To go and see the ( big J) with my son. Tell him some of the story’s my father told wile I still can. Thank you for all your hard work keepin this ship alive I would hate to see her end up like the enterprise
I work as a disaster response specialist. I'm down near New Orleans. Thanks for video brings me a little closer to home.
Was hoping they would translate the measurements into curator height units
@@fragotron quick look up you might see the joke going over your head
@@fragotron I have no idea what you're talking about but you do seem to be coming across as a bit...fanboyish and over reacting to a very simple joke. Take a chill pill and wash it down with some cognac and relax.
There ain’t no party like a damage control party.
Because the damage control party doesn't stop (until the flooding does)
Unless ordered to quit for abandoning ship.
Damage control pillar pow-wow
Damage control after Ida--12+ hours of storm/hurricane conditions in NOLA on (of all dates) the 16th Anniversary of Katrina. Got up the next morning and had to put a tarp on the roof to cover where shingles has been torn off and rain was leaking through. Damage to interior walls and ceilings from water incursion. 10 days without power, running minimal items on a generator. So far the tarp and other sealing efforts have significantly reduced the leaking. We have just gone through 3 more days of storm and rain from TS Nicholas. All that said, we are very fortunate. Those west and north of here were hit so much harder. All in the path of Ida have lost some. Some have lost all. Our hearts go out to the families and loved ones of those who didn't make it through the storm and its aftermath.
Really appreciate your entire mission and execution...... nothin' but the facts and about stuff I'd admired for years but could get only so close. The day my enlisted father drive through Norfolk base but we couldn't board a ship, he made up for it, getting me a day on the X-1 submarine out of hometown Annapolis :)
About plugs made of yellow pine and not intended to last....... correct it is a soft wood. Expose it to humidity or even immersion enough years and good luck driving a nail into it!!!! Working in restoration of historic homes in Annapolis, I'd dealt with a lot of yellow pine studs....... it petrifies with age, and Annapolis is quite humid being on the Chesapeake Bay. Many the saw blade chewed up by ancient yellow pine too.
Congratulations on your HNSA position. Perhaps you could discuss the association and membership at some point.
I love that at the end you give us something to comment about
Ryan, the Cross Cut saws were available in the military supply system. Going outside the supply chain was a real pain! Great video! Not just battle ship size DC Plugs we had Huge ones on Nimitz Class Carriers. How many DC Awards Does New Jersey have??
Never been so early to one of your videos.
Great content, some how u got me so interested in this.
I work on day charter yachts and always mention to the guests how we can plug that hole in the cabin. If they have bought any wine on board. It’s a 51ftcat) powercat.
Of course we actually have a mallet and a lot of various things to plug the size, never needed them.
Thanks for tucking the belt in
Great videos Ryan! Keep up the good work! I'm trying to talk the wife to drive out there with me for the weekend and do a tour with you! We live in Michigan! Maybe next summer!👍
The frigate USS Samuel B Roberts used its damage control timbers very well.
Also welded steel cables to keep the ship from breaking in half.
Just as a heads up at 6:46 ish, the strike marks look like they are from the center for a woodworking lathe. It will have a spike in the center then 6 flats that spur off to keep the end of the wood that isn't in the chuck from flopping around.
That’s a mark from the headstock the Spurs turn the wood in the lathe. Chucks are used on. Medal lathes but not usually used on wood lathes
Live just outside Manville NJ, flooding control was an understatement during Ida
We were supposed to get Ida as a tropical storm a day or so after landfall, but it wasn't bad at all, not more than normal thunderstorms. We thought Ida was losing steam fast, and then the next day it hit the East Coast hard.
I was in R division on Battleship New Jersey from 89' to 91'. I was part of the Damage Control Training Team. Great videos, It would have been nice to have thrown in a picture of the red "DC" that is painted on the super structure in the video to show the achievement.
another great video, thanks Ryan!
Not 10 cent nails, tenpenny nails. And the hammer marks on the back of the plug are actually marks left by the lathe when the plug is created.
The nails were bought through a govt contract, they are probably 10 cents each. :+)
at 2:40 the bottom of the diagonal should be cut to butt up against the base block the same as the top...as is the back pressure will crush the bottom of the 45 degree brace
agreed. that shoring demo was not good at all lol.
Very interesting to see the types of materials used in the damage control procedures. I suspect that hammer size may not always be a big issue though since there is probably a lot of adrenalin involved lol. Thanks for another great video Ryan.
very cool, glad to hear ida didnt hit you guys too hard
Great presentation
First rule of damage control: Stop the water from coming in.
First rule of museum ship conservation: Stop the water from coming in.
Original lumber? Cool!
The hammer used to drive in the wedges is the
Damage Abatement and Reduction Tamping Hammer or DARTH maul.
we called it the BFH9000
Your video on the Sammy B illustrated how important damage control is.
Not storm damage, but I work in a medical facility and have just had a hot water pipe replaced after the second split in a week. Leaked in ceiling where two main corridors meet. Lots of ceiling and wall repair still to do.
very informative as always cheers Ryan.
Great video.
Thanks for sharing
I had the opportunity to go through 2 different damage control trainers at different times to learn how to try to control flooding. One of them was a portion of a ship that was actually floating in a very large swimming pool. We did the training in that several times as it slowly sank to the bottom of the pool. That got you used to trying to do things in a flooding compartment where simply moving around and doing some of the needed tasks by feel was emphasized.
Later I went through another trainer that was just a modified section of a normal building. They had drains in the floor so as the water rushed into the room it could be continuously pumped back in with the level of water in the room not getting much more than ankle deep. However, the real challenge came at the end. It was a two story trainer and you had to exit through an escape scuttle into the upper room which was flooded with waist deep water. Trying to get up the ladder through the scuttle with all the water flowing back down had you feeling like a salmon. Both trainers were both instructive, interesting and even a little fun.
The "normal building" DC trainer I went through most likely had drains in the floor, but they sure weren't letting any water out of them during the drill. Water was chest-high by the time we got the "leaks" stopped.
The plug has a mark from the lathe when it was turned. I worked on fish/tug boats when younger we used to keep a bundle of shingles short pieces of rubber hose 1-6 inch in diameter wedges and tarps. Shingles plug cracks folded up tarp and wedges for bigger holes.
excellent video!
In this video you mentioned the crew possibely buying tools at a local store, which brought up a question. How would a ship buy something in a foreign port? Does a naval vessel carry money, or some other means of payment? I'm not thinking of crew members buying things for personal use, but something needed for the ship. Examples might be local food, fuel, a commonly available part for something, etc.
Thanks,
Jack
THERE IS ONLY ONE MAUL. THE 5 LB MAUL. IT CROSSES THE FIRE FIGHTERS AXE TO CREATE THE DC RATE SYMBOL. lot's of good stuff. would love to see something on repair lockers (especially 5) and DC Central.
We have plugs but also use wedges (they come in 2 or 3 sizes) to plug holes. Rule of thumb being 1 wedge per 1" of hole. Any gaps you split the wedges and hammer them in the gaps
Damage control training is important in the Royal Navy after the Falklands war Damage Repair Instructional Units (DRIU) also known as HMS Havoc were designed for teaching damage control. During the Falkland's war HMS Glamorgan was saved by the effectiveness of the damage control parties.
Round softwood plugs are also very helpful if ever a water intake/outlet is damaged or corroded.
The readiness exercise report done a few months ago for the USN rated the current capabilities of the damage control teams more towards the WWII Japanese level of proficiency than the US's level.
Missing; the megaphone to shout at the enemy. "Stop blowing holes in my ship!"
Damage control at home. Funny you ask. My house has a spring under it. Have to drain the water out through pipes that have holes to let water in. All gravity ran. Just one small problem. Tree roots like to grow in the pipes.
Never had to do damage control on a house but I did have to fix a leak on a boat in less than ideal circumstances.
Long story short I was helping a friend move a decent sized boat that he won in an auction, this thing was old and had been used for storage so not much room to move.
Not entirely sure what happened but too far into our journey we sprung a leak and it was pretty quick, because the old engine wasn't a great starter we put it in idle incase we couldn't fix the leak and needed to get closer to somewhere dry.
We had a surprising amount of stuff to plug that hole, but due to the storage room nature of the boat we then had a lot of smoke appear - some old oil bottles had fallen into the engine compartment, burst and begun to smoke badly.
Digging it all out to reach where we needed to be we discovered the worst part yet - a serious amount of sea flares with a troubling crust around the boxes and an expiry date that would have put them out of service during the day's New Jersey was still in use.
So we had that to deal with next to oil that was threatening to ignite.
I hated that boat, moral of the story is if you get any vehicle crammed with rubbish and told "take it today or leave it", you should probably leave it regardless of how stupidly cheap it is.
I would suggest that the round plugs were mostly for plugging pipes that would break. Water and fuel. Steam would probably have a different type of plug..
Pipes were repaired with a metal band that went around them and held a pad over the puncture.
@@ghost307 I think he thought about situation where pipe would snap, not just a puncture on the side but a situation when it completely disconects
@@hlvscomendandeche8744 That's actually an easier situation to deal with. There are isolation valves all over the ship. You just shut the one that's upstream of the break (and downstream of it as well if needed).
Are there higher concentrations of damage control gear in some areas than others or is if fairly evenly distributed below the water line?
As for the storm we were fine, but my middle sister was working at a youth homeless shelter in NYC. She got stuck at work because her replacement had a car washed up against the door to their apartment building. She had to bail the leaks at her site out the window because the drains stopped flowing.
I was in the german Navy on a frigate and we have mostly stored our Equipment a Department above the Waterlevel. But in the big machinery room we had also stored wood and small Material inside the rooms depends of the space inside.
If you think about it, life is one big long damage control exercise. :)
*Rolls a die* *5* *removes damage counter*
"Alright, it's end of the turn let's roll for initiative next." - Tricki Vic 😉
The circular mark with 4 straight lines is not from hammering that is from a lathe during the process of making the cone plug
Love it, thank you
Epic, I sure do like boats
the marks on the back of the plug you mention are from making it on a lathe not hammering it in
I can't believe that a damage control party would be cutting heavy lumber with that puny saw. A gasoline powered chainsaw would seem more like it especially when speed is paramount.
When they first surveyed the wreck of RMS _Titanic_ , Robert Ballard and his team observed that the damage to the hull caused by the collision with the iceberg appeared to be an opening in a riveted seam about 150 ft long but not more than 1-1/2 inches wide. If that was the case, they certainly had enough stuff on board to fill that gap and a lot of people to do the stuffing, but apparently no one who understood the concept of damage control. One complication would have been that a significant part of the opening was in a coal bunker so they may have had to shift a lot of coal to get access to the damage.
No damage control at home but my fathers destroyer was hit off Okinawa, and badly damaged at that, With the deck cracked and split across the entire beam, one of the things they did was to cut holes in the 3/8th deck plate, wrap chain around the longitudinals, and take up the slack with chain falls to keep the splits from widening. Dad limped his ship into Kamera Retto (SP??) where he was told "I'm sorry Captain, but your ship is a CTL and isn't worth fixing".
Ryan, those aren't strike marks on the back of the larger plug, that's the marks of the center on the wood lathe when the plug was turned.
Sounds like they could use some flex seal!
Hi Ryan,
Is there any documentation on stability conditions of USS New Jersey in museum files ?
As professional seaman I am interested in that conditions and real calculations done during her service.
Cpt Kozlowski
Can you create a video of Damage Control Central for the larger series on Damage Control.
9:40 That's how you choose a Battleship curator, when you find out his/her house didn't need flooding protection and waterproofing from the hurricane but the freaking Battleship did.
I wish somebody could send a damage control party to repair the damage to my life
Those weren't strike marks on that plug. I have hammered a lot of wood in my day, hard and soft, and I didn't see a single hammer mark on that plug. Those marks I did see came from the spindle of the lathe on which that plug was turned.
6:45 that's not a hammer strike mark. It's where the lathe centre dug into to turn the taper. Which makes me wonder, is there wood turning lathes on new jersey? Or metal lathes with carpentry centres?
You mentioned that the bulkheads wouldn't be able to withstand the pressure of water - but what were they there for, then? Isn't the whole point of a bullhead to seal off a flooded compartment?
No DC parties here. Colorado was markedly safe from Ida, wouldn’t mind trying my hand though, just not in my apartment
I live in Bridgeport PA, we got about 12" in our first floor and a fully flooded basement....no flood control would have helped unfortunately....
Hmmmmm I was anticipating crates of flex seal not wood🧐😉
Thread belt through carabiner, not belt-loop of pants. Belt loop stitching wears and breaks; belt less so.
Wait, random question that I never thought of till now. Who works in the post office on a navy ship? Are they a postal employee on postal pay roll or Navy on Navy pay roll? Are they both somehow? I always knew they had post offices but I just saw the window there and couldn't help but wonder 😂
@battleship new jersey: Were there particular areas that DC training focused on? Ryan mentions being particularly vulnerable to hits below the waterline. Do the standard shoring and plug methods apply to the triple bottom, void/fuel/water spaces near the hull/armor?
I think you would be well served if you could sort of "audit" Navy boot camp. You might even enjoy it :)
In movies where there is damage to a sub you see them use a clamp with rubber on it for use on piping. Does the New Jersey have a similar device?
Do you have one for fire ?
AFFF was what we played with.
We have a new roof and hoax system installed. No water issues here.
6:45 those marks were probably from the lathe used to make it.
Did anyone ever manage to punch any holes in New Jersey? If so how big and above or below the water line? Are there any dents where incoming rounds failed to penetrate?
The USS Massachusetts was hit by the french battleship Jean Bart once. It hit up forward in marine berthing, which was empty at the time, so no casualties and no significant damage. Detonated and made a lot of shrapnel holes and destroyed a lot of the uniforms and such of the marines. They saved the chunk of armor that the shell penetrated and have that on display, and you can see in that compartment all the steel patches welded over all the shrapnel holes.
Was never holed from anything. Some damage from a shell hit in Korea. Superficial stuff.
There's a big dent in the bow below the waterline. Don't know what they hit, but wasn't big enough to fix I guess. It's visible during the Vietnam drydock reactivation so it must have been from ww2 or Korea.
My brother saw a video talking about an exercise where the testers really tried to sock it to the DC crews. The DC crew was "trapped," but they found a way through a void space, and they came out on deck about half a ship length aft and the people running the exercise were like "How the heck did you get over there?"
We've looked but we can't find that video. Does it sound familiar to anyone else?
Ima say this first, Tom Scott has a video of this in action, go watch it if you will
Tom Scott the young one or the older one? LOL. The older one does the USS Texas.
@@robertthomas5906 The younger...
wee little babby plug
Maybe a video on the funnel uptakes
We climbed inside one here: ruclips.net/video/eYFd8Gx5g4c/видео.html
If New Jersey never suffered any flooding problems, how did those plugs get those use marks on them?
Practice, mostly. But also, holes get put in the deck occasionally when people drop things or holes were cut to get something in or out.
I'm confused where exactly Ryan is here, seeing how the bulkhead(?) next to Ryan is angled inward, unless that's part of an inner armor scheme?
The angle is an uptake, so basically an air supply from the engineering plant, so it has a weird path through the ship.
@@BattleshipNewJersey Ahhhhhh, ok! Thanks for the clarification! 😀
How did the New Jersey simulate a leak while at sea? Is there a floodable room onboard?
I can only speak from my time in the german navy, but when we train flooding situations we got an Inspector from the Officers and he marks a place on the hull with chalk or take a paper where the dimensions and kind of leak are written down. so the crew can work on this simulation. Also when the flooding is trained it always comes with poweroutage and fire in the ship. So the complete crew was busy during the exercises.
@@timk.2381 The Royal Navy has a training "tank" which has a couple of pre-cut holes, it is lowered into a much larger tank full of water. Sailors have to plug the holes as the tank is rolled around. So they don't loose too many sailors during training there are divers on duty to pull out any that are really straggling, but the rest have to carry on.
That is roughly $1.5million in lumber next to you...
hmm odd my family sawmill had plugs like that in many sizes in the warehouse and other odd wooden things my dad never knew what any of it was for
Can you do a video of Iowa surviving musashi's first air attack
A wedge, don't you mean a hodor?
How are the steering wheels in the conning areas linked with the rudder movement machinery? Is it via hydraulic lines? Cables? Electrical?
How do the rudder indicators and steering wheels throughout the ship stay synchronized? Is there some kind of master indicator at the rudder that all control and indication points are linked to?
@@baerster They did a video on this. I think it's called aft steering.
@@baerster There would be a synchro transmitter on each rudder head, driving the synchro receivers in the port and starboard rudder indicators. Same principal for the gyrocompass and the many gyro repeaters. Wind Speed and Direction system was a bit more complicated. There were synchro transmitters in the sensor units up on the mast, but the speed sender was connected to a little propeller, requiring a conversion to a steady-state reading, then out via a different synchro transmitter.
Helm, if relatively modern, would have the wheel connected through some gearing to two synchro transmitters in the helm console. One would drive synchro receivers in the Rudder Order indicators, the other would drive a synchro receiver which controlled the hydraulics in After Steeering.
FWIW, this is also how the Engine Order and Prop Order systems worked. Paired synchros.
Guess i could mention that a synchro is basically a specialized stepper motor. When wired properly, the rotors would sych up to the same position when power was applied. From that point, moving the rotor on one (transmitter) would cause the rotor on the other synchro (receiver) to move a corresponding amount. Very little torque, but great for indicating and control where the torque isn't required.
I'm in NOLA, so I just kinda sat there and watched the water come in like Guggenheim during the climax of Cameron's Titanic.