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  • Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024

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  • @Trainviking
    @Trainviking Месяц назад +19

    Jeeej it's online, so fast. Great to see you again.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      sure; see you next time !

  • @hagmax1531
    @hagmax1531 Месяц назад +4

    Loco hauled intercity connections on classic lines, we need more of them again.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад +2

      yes, we need a secondary long-distance train network in france on classic lines

  • @blackmercury956
    @blackmercury956 Месяц назад +12

    I really hope it becomes a pernament root. Izy (former thalys low budget train) had the right idea but it was way to ahead of its time since thalys back then offered cheap last minute tickets. If izy came out now it would be a massive hit.
    Now NMBS/SNCB just have to make 4 round trip (morning, noon, afternoon, evening) a day to Paris as an cheap alternative and watch eurostar foring to lower the price since people would rather be 3 times as long in the train for 3x less the price.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад +4

      yes, this is also my hope

    • @ElrosTar-Minyatur
      @ElrosTar-Minyatur Месяц назад +3

      4 times a day? I would love to see this train ever hour like the Intercity between Amsterdam and Brussels!

    • @podr0znik1
      @podr0znik1 Месяц назад +4

      @@ElrosTar-Minyatur Well then let's make sure those trains get full, only that will trigger a more frequent service!

    • @daylightdaylight6612
      @daylightdaylight6612 Месяц назад

      I paid one way €60 in comfort class with the Eurostar from Paris to Brussels.(it was the last train that day)

  • @trains-et-bagnoles_fr
    @trains-et-bagnoles_fr Месяц назад +16

    C' est beau quand c' est propre, pas tagué...

    • @osasunaitor
      @osasunaitor Месяц назад +5

      Malheureusement, ça ne passe pas souvent :(

    • @vstromxt3799
      @vstromxt3799 Месяц назад

      ni en retard :)

  • @marchulleman9276
    @marchulleman9276 Месяц назад +10

    Was altijd al een prima snelle kortste route tussen Brussel en Parijs. Tot de TGV Nord er kwam was dit toen zeer veelgebruikte hoofdroute. Meer te zien onderweg dan die saaie TGV lijn. Laat dus maar terugkomen, zeker als het goedkoper is, de lijn ligt er al. Vroeger hoefde men niet te reserveren en pakte je gewoon een trein tegen vaste prijzen. De Douane controleerde aan boord. Die onnodige tussenstops zijn wel jammer want de reistijd kan best korter, de oude TEE's reden het in iets meer dan 2 uur dacht ik. Zelfs reed hier een trein naar Rusland, maar laten we dat maar even niet doen.

    • @rudolffabrie3233
      @rudolffabrie3233 Месяц назад +1

      Trein was vrijwel leeg, dit gaat niet lang duren vrees ik.

    • @briangentle5515
      @briangentle5515 Месяц назад +1

      Als ik mij goed herinner, deed de TEE er ook wel mim of meer 3 uur over. Maar je had een restauratiewagen en kon dus erin lunchen!
      De koerswagens van Parijs naar Rusland gingen naar Mons/Bergen en dan Luik en Aachen, waar zij aan de wagens uit Oostende (Londen) werden gekoppeld om hun lange reis voor te zetten.

    • @marchulleman9276
      @marchulleman9276 Месяц назад +1

      Heb het nagezocht op Wikipedia, de TEE Etoile du Nord vertrok vanuit Parijs om 17.45 en kwam om 20.05 aan in Brussel Zuid. Dat is 2 uur en 20 minuten. De Thalys nu gemiddeld 1 uur en 27 minuten.

    • @lws7394
      @lws7394 Месяц назад +1

      De oude Etoile du Nord deed 4h20 over Amsterdam-Parijs tegenover de snekste Thalys nu 3h20 (maar vaak ook 4 uur).
      Als deze Eurocity geen onnodige tussenstops maakt is ie in goed 2 uur in Parijs. Met z'n prijs is ie te concurerend voor Thalys/eurostar waar nmbs zelf aandeelhouder is ! Dat moet natuurlijk niet !
      Daarom worden er overbodige vrrtragende tussenstops ingepland ...😈
      Hetzelfde met A'dam centraal - Brussel.
      Thalys/eurostar doet dat in 1h53/2 uur ( dat was vroeger toch echt in 1h40 ?!🤔)
      De nmbs heeft voor de ' Intercity Direct bedongen dat ie op belgisch grondgebied als stoptrein rijdt en 5 extra stations aandoet . ( reistijd 2h47 )
      Als IC direct er , zonder die extra stops,

    • @marchulleman9276
      @marchulleman9276 Месяц назад

      Om de Thalys en Eurostar te laten passeren en als binnenlandse pendeltrein. Er zijn onvoldoende hiaten voor aparte langzame SNCB treinen. Misschien gaat dit veranderen, vrees van niet. Belooft allemaal weinig goeds als alternatief voor vliegen.

  • @williamcampbell7655
    @williamcampbell7655 Месяц назад +5

    As an experienced traveller an frequent viewer of travel vlogs...I congratulate you for excellent production..really really great.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      thank you for your feedback

  • @JamesFerguson-ej2cc
    @JamesFerguson-ej2cc Месяц назад +6

    I would take this over Eurostar, and Mr Trainviking also present, good stuff. Thank you Doc, great video as usual.

  • @dionb5276
    @dionb5276 Месяц назад +9

    even though it's just as old as the Thalys stock, these I11 have aged a lot better. I remember being amazed by it on my regular Leuven-Oostende run when it was introduced in 1995 and it still looks better - and more practical (huge luggage space over and under the seats - you can literally sleep under there) - than almost anything introduced after it.

    • @jovada
      @jovada Месяц назад

      Indeed, together with the AM96 a timeless design!

    • @ToMiKoN
      @ToMiKoN Месяц назад +1

      ​@@jovada True, they are still one of my favourite trains in Belgium. They are kept in very good condition! Unfortunately accessibility is an issue on these trains. They should also put more plugs in them, especially on these kind of long distance routs. And the passenger information is still from the 90's.

  • @MartinBrenner
    @MartinBrenner Месяц назад +1

    Recently I discovered how to get to Lille and further to Rouen and Le Havre from Aachen through Belgium avoiding going through Paris. Excellent when you can buy tickets shortly before the journey. Great that there is an alternative to Thalys/Eurostar for traveling to Paris. 7:02 is too early if I have to get to Brussels first, but the second train after noon looks great. RUclips's algorithm worked this time, thanks for the video!

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      yes; it is good to know that one can avoid inoui/eurostar when travelling between belgium and france

  • @kayuchifujimoto2218
    @kayuchifujimoto2218 Месяц назад +3

    Merci beaucoup !
    Les I11, rien de mieux à la SNCB !

  • @Alessandrol1989
    @Alessandrol1989 Месяц назад +1

    Thanks for this video.
    I think that someone posted about your comment at around 7:47 no there was not decades since a train to Paris reached Mons.
    In the past there was a Thalys (often called Wallys if I'm not wrong) that was desserving Liège Guillemin - Namur - Charleroi Sud - Mons - Paris Nord. It was circulating oncein the morning -> Paris and once in the evening -> Liège.
    It was stopped at the same time as another Thalys between Oostende and Paris was stopped despite being full everyday.
    Some years ago in order to restore an easiest access to Paris from Charleroi, Namur and Mons to Paris they set 2 IC trains between Namur -> Charleroi Sud -> Maubeuge (FR) and Mons -> Aulnoye-Aymeries (FR) where you could continue your journey to Paris using french TER (15 minutes to change train). This was also stopped at Mons and Namur and now the S train the Erquelinnes is extended to Maubeuge.
    The journey from Charleroi to Paris was 15 minutes longer than reaching Brussel and taking Eurostar. The ticket was also cheaper 42€ second class ticket and several euro more

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      uh, thanks for this information on past train mons-paris

  • @Ksandur
    @Ksandur Месяц назад +24

    Interrail and eurail passes not being valid defeats so much of the purpose 😭 Even Thalys connections are covered by these passes if I'm not mistaken, you only pay for your seat reservation. Missed opportunity, hope they backtrack it soon enough.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад +6

      for thalys/eurostar you have to pay a heavy surcharge (which includes a seat reservation) with a railpass; but it is quota controlled; for this eurocity, i think SNCB alone is carrying all commercial risks

    • @alanyearsley9731
      @alanyearsley9731 Месяц назад

      ​@@doc7austinYes, and I suppose SNCB might think that if they did allow Interrail and Eurail passes on it, it would become too popular and mean no room for ordinary fare-paying passengers.

    • @Locomotiviert
      @Locomotiviert Месяц назад +1

      You can use other trains. IC, L and P in Belgium and TER in France. With some changes in other citys it's possible

    • @pleaseinsertacoin
      @pleaseinsertacoin Месяц назад

      @@alanyearsley9731 they could still allow interrail access with a lower reservation fee than the eurostar/thalys services charge, considering they already mandate reservations for this service. The infrastructure, booking systems, etc seem to be there.

    • @aure44
      @aure44 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@Locomotiviert but way longer (at least for Paris to Amsterdam, it was like 7 or 8 hours instead of 4)

  • @rv2lyon8
    @rv2lyon8 Месяц назад +2

    First class ticket without service congrats SNCB. Not a lot of differences with the service provided when you are on strike 😂

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      sncb workers also striking as often as sncf staff ?

  • @mootjedaoudi6495
    @mootjedaoudi6495 Месяц назад +2

    Eurocity is veel beter als je geen haast hebt en geniet van de omgeving
    EC vanaf Amsterdam zou ook heel rendabel zijn aangezien de kaartjes goedkoper zijn

  • @forestationed
    @forestationed Месяц назад +12

    You got the station names mixed up.
    Bruxelles Midi (French) = Brussel Zuid (Dutch) = Brussels South (English)
    Brussels North is a whole different station.

    • @alanyearsley9731
      @alanyearsley9731 Месяц назад

      Correct, although I think a lot of Brits tend to refer to it as Brussels Midi rather than Brussels South.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      i had it all mixed up.

    • @konichiwamina1412
      @konichiwamina1412 Месяц назад +2

      ​@@alanyearsley9731many have used to it so it's alright. Even DB calls it Midi lol

    • @michelsmet2611
      @michelsmet2611 Месяц назад +1

      FBMZ is the telegraphic code, still in use in 2024 !

  • @chriswade7470
    @chriswade7470 Месяц назад +7

    Good that SNCB have started this service, sad there is no catering on this train. In the 1990’s Eurocity trains had at least a buffet car.

    • @drdewott9154
      @drdewott9154 Месяц назад

      Yeah, but catering on trains are sadly becoming a rarity. DSB's trains from Copenhagen to Hamburg dont have catering onboard either apart from a single person walking through with a tray of (a few) snacks and a hot water backpack for cheap instant coffee. Their new trains (including for a planned route to Amsterdam) will feature vending machines and a coffee maker onboard but I doubt people would call that good enough.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      @drdewott9154 i doubt that these talgo will ever get delivered to db and dsb

    • @drdewott9154
      @drdewott9154 Месяц назад

      @@doc7austin Quite a bold statement, I hope that wont end up being the case. So far though things are progressing better than last time DSB ordered a new train type.

  • @jensch91
    @jensch91 Месяц назад +6

    I was the train manager of this train. Cool video! But it is so strange to hear my voice in your video (train announcements )

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад +1

      at brussels midi -> the party; the DJ was playing copyrighted music, so I had to add an audio overlay; the announcements in the train were perfect for that; the two SNCF conductors called you jens

    • @jensch91
      @jensch91 Месяц назад +1

      @@doc7austin very funny that you recorded that, I thought at first that you saw my name plate on my uniform ;)

    • @jeanjacques9980
      @jeanjacques9980 Месяц назад +3

      Great English I must say.

  • @yvesd_fr1810
    @yvesd_fr1810 Месяц назад +4

    Cela me rappelle mes jeunes années pro où habitant la proche banlieue parisienne, je travaillais à Anderlecht, une commune collée à Bruxelles. En 1 an, j'ai fait presque deux fois le tour de la terre dans le TEE, train express qui mettait presque 2H45 pour faire Paris Nord Bruxelles et vice versa. Très confortable, V limite 160 kmh... Tracation par les fameuses CC 40100 ou par leurs soeurs série 18 SNCB... C'étati le même itinéraire que celui montré sur la vidéo (Bruxelles, Mons, Quévy Frontière, Haumont, Aulnoye, Le Cateau Cambresis, St Quentin, Compiègne, Creil, PN.

  • @briangentle5515
    @briangentle5515 Месяц назад +3

    Well, well! Takes me back to the pre-LGV days, when the TEE and other trains used this route between Brussels and Paris. Would I take this over the Eurostar? Well the walk-up price seems noticeably cheaper, though you can get cheaper tickets on Eurostar if you book early enough. Then, the EC train takes over twice as long and there is absolutely no catering on board, as far as I could see. So that might be an argument against. For this route would be that it doesn't seem to be overcrowded, though that might change once people realise it exists.
    By the way, I wonder if the train got back ok? There was a major electrical problem on the Belgian network on the afternoon of 24 June, which seems to have paralysed much of Wallonia!

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад +1

      also no electric outlets and no wifi; we were luckily not affected by the infrabel software glitch

    • @atyourservice
      @atyourservice Месяц назад +2

      @@doc7austin just a quick addition : there are some outlets... one per wagon/car next to the door... :)

  • @Crepello100
    @Crepello100 Месяц назад +2

    It's not exactly slow according to your figures, averaging 66mph so I'd guess it runs at 100mph (160kph) for most of the way, just like they used to do on this route. That's good enough for me, plus it's loco-hauled - a propper train! I would choose this over the TGV just for the fun of it.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      i think the train could save another 10 minutes; we were quite slow between brussels and mons

    • @Crepello100
      @Crepello100 Месяц назад

      @@doc7austin I've found some old (pre-TGV/LGV) timetables. Trains took roughly 2h30 in those days. Fastest I found was 2h27. It's 305km so that's 124km/77mph average.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      @Crepello100 Did the trains stop somewhere along the route ?

    • @Crepello100
      @Crepello100 Месяц назад

      @@doc7austin Basically non-stop times were 2h27-2h30. 1 stop (either Mons or St.Quentin): 2h35. 3 stops (Mons, Aulnoye, St.Quentin) 2h49-2h57. This from 1991, so no TEE unfortunately.

  • @paultijink9966
    @paultijink9966 Месяц назад

    Fijn, gelukkig ook in het Nederlands!

  • @liamtahaney713
    @liamtahaney713 Месяц назад +2

    Hmm arent eurocity trains supposed to have a dining car :P

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      that rule has been long time ago

  • @HuppeldePupNL
    @HuppeldePupNL Месяц назад

    Bring back this train permanently!

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      that would be nice indeed

  • @jamesrobinson9194
    @jamesrobinson9194 Месяц назад +1

    Fantastic carriages. My train of choice whenever I went to Gent to see my then partner (living in Bruxelles, c'était vraiment facile!)

  • @leebourscheid3961
    @leebourscheid3961 Месяц назад +5

    I think the lack of passengers is due to a lack of communication, most people are unaware of the existence of this classic train between Brussels and Parls. I hope they will promote it properly and maybe this train will continue after the Olympics.

    • @podr0znik1
      @podr0znik1 Месяц назад +2

      Exactly - I generally consider myself fairly well informed about railway news, but didn't know about this new connection. So I think the number of passengers has a large potential to grow still.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад +2

      hahaha; thats why i have produced this video )

    • @ralphzechendorf1644
      @ralphzechendorf1644 Месяц назад +2

      Here in Belgium we've had decent communication about it. Guess in France they didn't communicate much... quite sad, as the I11 cars are really great for this kind of service (they have been designed for it after all). Comfortable, lots of luggage space, two toilets per carriage, can drive at 200km without much noise or vibration..

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      @ralphzechendorf1644 however, no power sockts

    • @obiwac
      @obiwac Месяц назад

      @@ralphzechendorf1644 i'm belgian and also follow railway news and didn't hear about it until shortly before it went online

  • @np3551
    @np3551 Месяц назад +1

    I hope this ec train will run soon more often and let it start in Maastricht, Liege, Brussel south, Paris north. Then people from the Netherlands the south part and Germany has a other option to travel between that city's and a more open excess train for people that like to travel spontan and not that expensive.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад +1

      maastricht - only if the dutch government starts to partially subsidize this train

  • @rkynj756
    @rkynj756 Месяц назад +2

    Hi, what do you mean with the following sentence: "Reservation is mandatory, but it is not printed on the ticket - First Come, First Serve" ? As I understood, you have to make a reservation and you will have a guaranteed seat, just like with the Eurostar trains?

    • @s125ish
      @s125ish Месяц назад

      Counted place reservation

    • @barvdw
      @barvdw Месяц назад +1

      They won't sell more tickets than there are available seats, but if the train is full and you get up last, you might have a bit of a search for that last elusive empty seat ;)

  • @ikkeinzakkemakka5656
    @ikkeinzakkemakka5656 Месяц назад

    These class is the more cosy comfy. BN bombardier made in Bruges. The new double decks are full of fault m7/8

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      i think all toilets in the new double deck cars are broken by default.

  • @UHarshanBlackBoy1995
    @UHarshanBlackBoy1995 Месяц назад +1

    Nice video!

  • @saptarshiray9027
    @saptarshiray9027 Месяц назад

    All the best of luck for Olympics in Paris🇫🇷

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      hopefully, everything wents smooth there.

  • @shiraharataurus1414
    @shiraharataurus1414 Месяц назад +1

    I really love this guy. Nevertheless I'm afraid of this train being cancelled after the Olympics... :/

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      yeah, we know already that this train is only going to operate during the paris 2024 olympics

    • @rkynj756
      @rkynj756 Месяц назад +1

      @@doc7austin They say it will be a permanent train later this year. Let's see if that happens....

  • @holidayaviation7078
    @holidayaviation7078 Месяц назад

    I think the seats could be more spacious and I would like to see more details on this train model

  • @josemanuelgorrono3827
    @josemanuelgorrono3827 Месяц назад

    Hello! It is necessary to have the ticket printed or the digital one is enough???

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      digital one is ok; though, nobody has checked my ticket on that ride

  • @akmaldarari8264
    @akmaldarari8264 Месяц назад

    If in the future this Eurocity is operated outside Paris Olympic season and valid for Interrail/Eurail pass holder, i will take this because i expect the reservation fee is more cheaper than Eurostar

  • @paulthiel5145
    @paulthiel5145 Месяц назад +1

    If only I had an euro fof every time the words "Paris Nord" were announced 😂

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад +1

      i think the conductor was a flamish native speaker

    • @paulthiel5145
      @paulthiel5145 Месяц назад +1

      @@doc7austin He most definitely was 😁

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      @paulthiel5145 Jens was his first name.

    • @blackyellowred2000
      @blackyellowred2000 Месяц назад

      @@doc7austin : Yes indeed and I've recognised this immediately being a Belgian citizen

    • @walterverbeeck6929
      @walterverbeeck6929 Месяц назад

      @@doc7austin It is a Flemish speaker(with an E)😉 Walloons ain't great with other languages.
      The Dutch speaking Flemish, can speak quite well French, English and German.

  • @Filufilu
    @Filufilu Месяц назад

    For personal journey, I'd probably ride this, at least for the novelty. If company's paying - Eurostar 😀

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      it is good to travel on classic railway lines; 3 hours is not too bad for brussels-paris

  • @LiamWalsheliamskitchen
    @LiamWalsheliamskitchen Месяц назад

    This is good to have. Hopefully it won't have tight quotas for Eurail passes and can be used as an alternative when Eurostar has nothing available.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      at the moment the eurail/interrail quota is zero on this eurocity train.

  • @fussyboy2000
    @fussyboy2000 Месяц назад +1

    To be really useful for me it needs a stop at Aulnoye and to accept Interrail. Is it just for the duration of the Olympics or will it become a permanent fixture?

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      this train is stopping in aulnoye both ways;

    • @fussyboy2000
      @fussyboy2000 Месяц назад

      @@doc7austin Is this for passengers? I got the impression from the video that it was a crew change only.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад +1

      the sncb crew stayed onboard in aulnoye; as the train stopped there, why shouldnt passengers be allowed to get on or off there ?

    • @fussyboy2000
      @fussyboy2000 Месяц назад

      @@doc7austin Aulnoye is not advertised as passenger stop on SNCB International, OeBB Scotty or the Interrail journey planner. Consequentally you can't book a ticket on that train to there.

    • @rudolffabrie3233
      @rudolffabrie3233 Месяц назад +1

      With Interrail valid it will become even more loss making..

  • @jimholder6656
    @jimholder6656 Месяц назад +1

    My vote: SNCB Eurocity.

  • @jackscharlez5555
    @jackscharlez5555 Месяц назад

    Aulnoye mais bravo pour l'idée de reportage les petits fours étaient ils bons !????bien à vous JS

  • @samtrak1204
    @samtrak1204 Месяц назад

    Is the equipment new or refurbsihed cast-off?

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад +1

      not sure about the history of the I11 rolling stock

    • @barvdw
      @barvdw Месяц назад +1

      These date from the mid-90s and had some light refurbishment (renewal of the carpet in 1st, linoleum in 2nd, upholstery of the seats, etc), but no major improvements like extra power sockets or stuff. To be honest, still some of the best SNCB rolling stock out there, IMO.

    • @gamerworldtvdutch
      @gamerworldtvdutch Месяц назад +1

      @@barvdw Some have newer information screens inside.Or it was a prototype.

  • @ombagi1386
    @ombagi1386 Месяц назад +3

    1:05 Bruxelles-Midi is Brussel-Zuid, not Brussel-Noord.😢

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      ahaha; i mixed it up; sorry

  • @RAILEXCELLENCE2011
    @RAILEXCELLENCE2011 Месяц назад

    7:46 The last train from Mons to Paris was in 2015😊

  • @mariadelmarjimenezarroyo2656
    @mariadelmarjimenezarroyo2656 Месяц назад +3

    Excellent video

  • @pepobikest
    @pepobikest Месяц назад +3

    I definitely prefer SNCB Eurocity over Eurostar!

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад +4

      i hope sncb/sncf will start a regular eurocity service this december from brussels to paris

  • @rudolffabrie3233
    @rudolffabrie3233 Месяц назад +1

    Train looks mostly empty.
    Waste of money?

  • @sandyneedham6499
    @sandyneedham6499 Месяц назад

    Is this actually available now? I looked up Omio and Trainline in August and neither seemed to show this train!

    • @MartinBrenner
      @MartinBrenner Месяц назад

      SNCB International website gives you the connections, but you have to disable high speed connections to better see the trains.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      yes, and who is proactively deactivating that option - almost no one

  • @vinniewinnie7
    @vinniewinnie7 Месяц назад

    There used to be a hsr train between Paris and Brussels called ezy trains where tickets cost between 15 and 40 euros in 2 hours and a half! This is a step back not a step forward!

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      ezy trains - which years did they run ?

    • @vinniewinnie7
      @vinniewinnie7 Месяц назад +1

      @@doc7austin it ran before Covid and was called izy train not easy. Here is a trip I made in 2020:
      VOYAGE LE 12-03-2020
      BRUXELLES MIDI > PARIS NORD
      Numéro de train: 9606
      Heure de départ: 15:28
      Heure d'arrivée: 17:57
      PRIX
      1 X STANDARD .... 19 €
      CN: 16 - SN: 24
      VOYAGE LE 14-03-2020
      PARIS NORD > BRUXELLES MIDI
      Numéro de train: 9603
      Heure de départ: 11:31
      Heure d'arrivée: 13:43
      PRIX
      1 X STANDARD .... 39 €
      So basically yeah this new service is overpriced and slower…

  • @younessbensses5203
    @younessbensses5203 Месяц назад +1

    Les prèmices d'un train de nuit ? Pas jusqu'à Paris, jusqu'au sud de la France oui.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      uh, thanks for this detailed summary. I remember travelling on the DB night train Paris - Berlin, which connected Paris and Brussels via Quevy

  • @petrsovicka
    @petrsovicka Месяц назад

    No catering on board? Then it can't be sold as a EuroCity product unless it is a scam on customers. Thank you for the report. Please also include refteshments options and toilets next time.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      the catering onboard the competing eurostar is also nothing worth to write about

  • @janwieles5029
    @janwieles5029 Месяц назад +2

    If it could match the old TEE times, somewhere around 2:20/2:30 it would be much more competitive with Euro☆

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад +1

      i think 3 hours is ok; until 2008 the deutsche bahn night train took less than 3 hours between brussels south and paris nord

    • @ElrosTar-Minyatur
      @ElrosTar-Minyatur Месяц назад

      Were did the TEE stop between Paris and Brussels?

    • @janwieles5029
      @janwieles5029 Месяц назад +1

      @@ElrosTar-Minyatur i thought nowhere. Somerimes a technicus stop in Aulnoye for a crewe change

  • @domipa3972
    @domipa3972 Месяц назад

    Bravo pour ce train. Le TGV c'est très bien mais c'est très cher et chacun d'entre nous n'a pas forcément besoin d'aller toujours vite (trop). Autre question: alors que l'Union européenne interdit à tous les pays européens d'utiliser du désherbant chimique pour nettoyer voies et gares, comment font les différentes compagnies, belges, allemandes, suisses, etc, pour garder les installations propres alors que les voies et gares de la SNCF sont généralement envahies par les herbes folles ???

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      yes, i like that corona train a lot.

    • @barvdw
      @barvdw Месяц назад

      They are still experimenting with different methods, from boiling water, burning, to less damaging pesticides. At least Infrabel had a special derogation to still use glyphosate, I believe until this year.

  • @physh
    @physh Месяц назад

    So is it just for the Olympics or is it going to be a permanent thing?

    • @blackmercury956
      @blackmercury956 Месяц назад +3

      For now it's just the Olympics but if it becomes a massive hit then it would be abnormal to not continue the route unless eurostar will bribe them to not release the route pernamently.
      The issue is the rollingstock. Sncb has to invest in fixed rollingstock for the particular route

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад +3

      maybe in december this route could become permanent; no one knows yet; fingers crossed !

    • @barvdw
      @barvdw Месяц назад

      For now: just Olympics and Paralympics, but they have asked for slots from December, so they can bring it back in December permanently if they prove to be a success. So all those who like this train to exist, I can only recommend buying a ticket and using it.

  • @directorient
    @directorient Месяц назад

    € 69 you payed for a first class ticket.
    What would be the price in second class?

    • @Magic_beans_
      @Magic_beans_ Месяц назад

      Typically €49. If you book your seat early and are fairly confident you won’t have to reschedule, you may be able to find a seat as low as €34.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      @Magic_beans_ i have never seen any first class quota of EUR 49 for the inauguration day.

    • @directorient
      @directorient Месяц назад +1

      I searched in SNCB webpage and chose, as example, the date 6/8. From Bruxelles to Paris EC is cheaper than many Eurostar connections only for about € 20 and, in the early morning, even for only € 10 in second class and € 7 in first class.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      @directorient so cheap - the EC train ?

    • @directorient
      @directorient Месяц назад

      For example: 6/8 - 6.33 Eurostar 2. class € 59 1. class € 76 - 7.02 - EC 2. class € 49 1. class € 69 / 13.21 Eurostar 2. class € 70 1. class € 99 - EC 13.38 2. class € 34 1. class € 69. In the early morning the difference is not so big....

  • @buzzukfiftythree
    @buzzukfiftythree Месяц назад

    It’s hard to see how this is an effective competitor to Eurostar (Thales). I doubt it will be in existence for very long.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад +1

      though, i would hope that sncb eurocity gives eurostar a run for their money

  • @Thomas-gs8ug
    @Thomas-gs8ug Месяц назад

    Quévy lies in Belgium :)

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      did i say otherwise ?

    • @Thomas-gs8ug
      @Thomas-gs8ug Месяц назад

      @@doc7austin yep, on your map it is written Quévy (fr)

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад +1

      @Thomas-gs8ug (fr) stands for frontiere

  • @rkynj756
    @rkynj756 Месяц назад

    The difference between first class and second class is so minimal... definitely not worth the higher price.

  • @newaegidius
    @newaegidius Месяц назад

    Nice video!
    Any catering on board?

  • @peter59fg
    @peter59fg Месяц назад

    Les meilleurs TEE mettaient BXL à 2h20' de Paris....

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      2 hours and 20 min; did they travel via quevy ?

  • @marinhopaais426
    @marinhopaais426 Месяц назад

    More competition is needed. This will prove that the Eurostar is overpriced. A second high speed operator not operated by a French or Belgium company. But for example by a Korean or Chinese company will destroy the monopoly by French led Eurostar.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад +1

      though, sncb is a minority shareholder of eurostar, i think sncb has enough with eurostar operations (high fares, limited capacity, no service into wallonia)

  • @filipetpilif
    @filipetpilif Месяц назад

    Je vois pas tant d’engouement sur des voitures classiques et loco classiques donc je vois pas en quoi c’est un évènement spécial juste pour un train qui roule ici et que voilà je vois pas trop l’intérêt de faire une fête exprès alors que les TGV ils le font déjà

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      the problem is that eurostar has the monopoly on the brussels-paris route; it is good to have a second operator on that route.

    • @filipetpilif
      @filipetpilif Месяц назад +1

      @@doc7austinoui mais un tel événement vaut pas le coup si par la suite il veulent le faire de manière régulière et déjà les HLE18 et I11 c’est train qu’on a l’habitude de voir donc au final c’est un Ostende Eupen à la limite

  • @mikeschumacher
    @mikeschumacher Месяц назад

    Not a bad service. Rather a shame that EURail/Interrail tickets aren't allowed; maybe they'll change their mind if it becomes a permanent service. Was there a food or drinks cart on board?

    • @barvdw
      @barvdw Месяц назад

      I hope so, too, and unfortunately, SNCB doesn't do catering anymore. I think at least a trolley should be a good idea...

    • @mikeschumacher
      @mikeschumacher Месяц назад

      ​@@barvdw You reminded me of a good point... the longest train SNCB runs is three hours, and like the Dutch their system is set up to be more like commuter/regional rail. Brining back catering for one train isn't cost-effective. Maybe they could look to the Südostbahn trains in Switzerland and add vending machines. Not the best but at least it's something....

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      @mikeschumacher they could adapt the eurostar catering concept.

    • @mikeschumacher
      @mikeschumacher Месяц назад

      @@doc7austin Looks like Eurostar is going to a vending machine model for continental trains, which would be equivalent to the Südostbahn trains in Switzerland. I thought EuroCity-branded trains have to run with a dining car though; at least that was my impression.
      I guess if SNCB ran Brussels-Paris regularly they could rebrand it as InterCity like Brussels-Amsterdam and just not offer catering.

  • @jovada
    @jovada Месяц назад

    Eurostar is way too expensive. Yet also for this EC, you have the added complexity of getting to Brussels South station first... This can make it a very cumbersome journey. We need more direct trains from Ghent or Antwerp for instance. What I do is drive to Lille and take a cheap and huge (often coupled) TGV Duplex in Lille Flandres. Eurostar lacks capacity.
    What we need is a longer trajectory, not just from Brussels, and more capacity to lower prices. The EC is nice, but not the final answer.

  • @michelsmet2611
    @michelsmet2611 Месяц назад

    Actuellement, il y aurait des négociations entre SNCF et SNCB pour maintenir une relation IC Bruxelles - Paris en permanence. Mais j'ai des doutes ... On sait que la SNCF a conduit en permanence une politique de report du trafic des trains classiques sur les - très coûteux. - TGV.On voit mal la SNCF changer de politique !

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад +1

      a lot of SNCF personal were keen to see that new eurocity train at paris nord last wednesday.

    • @barvdw
      @barvdw Месяц назад

      en même temps, filiale Ouigo a expérimenté avec des trains classiques (sur Paris-Strasbourg, par exemple), donc si on pourrait incorporer ces trains de Bruxelles...

  • @charlieinla
    @charlieinla Месяц назад +2

    The announcer speaks like a priest in a church...loi....annoying 😅

  • @doriankakwata3217
    @doriankakwata3217 Месяц назад +1

    ITS MY COUNTRY

  • @yagi3925
    @yagi3925 Месяц назад

    Ce train, c'est largement du bidon. 1°) Si je comprends bien, il cessera de circuler à la fin des jeux olympiques. 2°) Il n'y en que deux par jour, donc on est très loin d'une réelle concurrence avec l'Eurostar/Thalys. 3°) Il ne s'arrete nulle part entre Mons et Paris, si bien que tout le Nord de la France reste coupé de Bxl. 4°) Il n'offre aucune intégration tarifaire avec le reste du réseau belge ni français. En d'autres termes, si quelqu'un veut faire Orléans-Louvain, il devra acheter 3 billets. Bonjour le surcoût! En résumé, la SNCF et la SNCB s'auto-congratulent, alors qu'on est très, très loin d'une situation de réelle concurrence, comme elle existe entre l'Eurostar et l'IC Benelux entre Bxl et A'dam. En supposant même que ce train continue à exister après les JO, ce "service" en train classique Paris-Bxl n'a rien à voir avec ce qu'il était avant l'introduction du TGV/Thalys/Eurostar. Avant cette date, il y a avait 1°) 8 ou 9 trains par jour, 2°) une desserte de plusieurs villes françaises entre Paris et la frontière, qui étaient ainsi reliées à Bxl, 3°) une intégration tarifaire, 4°) pas d'obligation de réserver, sauf sur les TEE, 5°) par conséquent, liberté d'utiliser (quasi) n'importe quel train avec son billet, donc liberté horaire totale. Telle est encore la situation sur l'IC Benelux entre A'dam et Bxl. Pourquoi est-ce "impossible" sur Bxl-Paris?? Halte au holdup!

    • @barvdw
      @barvdw Месяц назад

      Bon, c'est un expériment, si vous voulez que la SNCB continue à l'exploiter (ils le font sur propre risque commerciale), achetez un ticket et utilisez le train, par-ce que c'est clairement un service qui est ne restera pas si les voyageurs ne suivent pas.
      Je suis d'accord que rajouter un ou 2 arrêts supplémentaires dans les Hauts-de-France serait une bonne chose, et si les voyageurs suivent, on peut même imaginer des parcours supplémentaires, mais maintenant, rien n'est encore garantie.

  • @viewwwwer
    @viewwwwer Месяц назад

    If you believe that 100 minutes of your time are worth less than 56 euros then this is a train for you!

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  Месяц назад

      empty train is mostly better than a full and narrow eurostar train

    • @barvdw
      @barvdw Месяц назад

      it's often a lot more than just 56 euro... And sure, Eurostar is faster, but not everybody is in a rush, I have no issue travelling to the south of France on some Corails via Limoges to Toulouse, for instance, instead of the faster TGV via Bordeaux.