If they EVER make another Banjo game, I would be shocked if it wasn't multi-platform simply because they really haven't cemented much of a sense of 'ownership' of the IP, despite holding the IP for over two decades. The nostalgic appeal around it is still very much cemented around Nintendo.
@NatetheHate Right? I still remember sitting down to watch it and thinking I better make a list cause these games were gonna be dropping like crazy. Boy was I wrong lol.
Im not familiar with your guest, but his view seems to personifies what is wrong with Xbox. The fans can only see the dust left behind by the PlayStation. To them Nintendo is not even in the equation yet they are also losing to Nintendo. I like how MVG and Nate gently includes Nintendo in the discussion and the guest just refuses to see it.
What’s the real point of comparing Nintendo at all? They’re a generation and a half behind in the ecosystem and they’re developing exclusively handheld games.
@@resean2727 Okay? There's any number of reasons for that, like the switch being significantly more affordable, and being portable, and having a few quality exclusives. Nintendo is still operating under completely different development conditions than the rest of the industry right now. Comparing them doesn't get you anywhere. It's like bringing mobile into the conversation. Nintendo's not even in the equation because they aren't trying to compete for the same customers as the rest of the gaming industry. They're trying to get children, casuals and brand new gamers. Their efforts to appeal to the "hardcore" fan are laughable at best and insulting at worst, when you consider their archaic online, lack of achievements, barebones current-gen 3rd party support, etc. Sure, they're selling more consoles, but they're just too different for anything valuable to come out of comparing them. Nintendo's been hanging out in their own little niche ever since the Wii.
@@aegisleague4053You're so wrong about the switch that you'll bring up an actual system designed around the blue ocean strategy of appealing to the market with disposable income which isn't the hardcore gamer. BTW Microsoft and Sony are chasing that same marketshare regardless of the routes being different. Oh achievements/trophies are a dated validation for clout rather than instilling the will to be the best without the glamor.
@@aegisleague4053 Some Xbox fans as exemplified by the guest just want Xbox to be PlayStation with a green coat of paint. Which leaves their only differentiator as 'value' ; it also means they think gaming is Xbox/PS only and their view of games revolve around the annualized triple A treadmill and whatever exclusives Xbox told them to get excited about. Both Nate and MVG play games widely, and to bring on a guest with such a narrow perspective is jarring. And yes, Nintendo is super relevant as a brand that can beat PlayStation and carve out a space for itself, and i suspect that's what the guest wants for Xbox.
To those slamming the episode because Colt is the guest…have you even watched it? I am currently over an hour in…and Colt has been an insightful AND CRITICAL guest. Very critical actually…and he shares the views pretty much all of us have. At one point he even says “I know I’ve been griping a lot…” because there’s A LOT to gripe about when it comes to Xbox. I don’t know much about Colt…but you guys are missing out on a great, in depth Xbox episode. Give it a chance. I enjoyed it and I’m least invested in Xbox out of the big 3. Great job Nate, MVG and Colt. Keep up the “gaming gold!”
Yeah I'm not sure what the hate is about, as I'm not a subscriber of his, but I thought he was a fine guest. I actually agreed w/ a few of his points here.
@@iamsolez He's basically a toxic personality of the xbox community that embraces console wars, bullshit fake information and its most of the time just a hateful human being. Maybe this appearence is acceptable, but he isnt.
@@R0ndrashe’s not like that at all in this episode though. People are writing it off before they even listen. I just finished it and he was a good guest. Didn’t get “console warrior” vibes from him at he. He was quite critical and honest about his feelings towards Xbox and what they’ve been doing recently.
I like Xbox slightly more than PlayStation (which I also like, btw) for 2 simple reasons. 1. I personally like offset sticks better and I don’t use third party controllers. 2. I don’t like story in video games so many of the PlayStation exclusive games are generally not for me. These are incredibly subjective and I’m definitely in the minority which is totally understandable. Being a console fanboy as an adult is incredibly depressing. Just let everyone play what they want on whatever they want. I play on all consoles but not everyone can do that or even wants to and that’s okay.
I'm confused at colts justification for paying for early access. Nate said ur not playing day 1 on gamepass if u offer a paid early access. There's no justification, it's not day 1.
While I agree with your premise legally it might still be seen as permissible, especially if Microsoft maintains that they use early access as a kind of paid final beta.
I completely agree with MVG when it comes to the capabilities of future Xbox hardware - it is extremely unlikely that they'll release Windows computers that are compatible with Xbox games, or vice-versa. To me based on those rumors the most reasonable expectation for an Xbox-branded handheld would be a regular Windows-based gaming handheld PC from the Surface team with a modern AMD chip. It won't be cheap, but it'll be sleek, and performant enough to play every game in the PC Game Pass library reasonably well.
@@NatetheHateand you need Colt to legitimize your critique? I don't get it Nate. You need him as a badge/repellant or something? Can't you just critique games/companies (regardless of platform) without co-signing with someone who makes fun of people dead wife. This guy is not it man.
All offer plenty of critique of Xbox in this episode. We push back on him in some instances, too. We wanted to bring on a different Xbox personality from the usual -- that being Rand and Jez. Which Xbox content creator would you recommend for future consideration?
@@NatetheHate I must say, you are handeling this nicely. You are a class act Nate and I would like to see some people who are as cool as you and MVG. My choices would be someone like Miles Dompier, or Lord Sov. from the iron lords, heck even MAGG (colts co-host) would be good. Alotta good people with integrity and passion out there.
John or Richard from Digital Foundry. We really don't want this channel to be a influencer kind of show. We listen for you and MVG. Similar people are welcome as well.@@NatetheHate
No it didn’t. If it really affected your opinion, you need to get a grip my friend. Colt was VERY critical of Xbox. He even says at one point “I know I’ve been griping a lot…” Episode was a good one.
52:46 they aren’t clamoring for information because Sony gives them exclusive games to play while they wait. Final fantasy, hell divers, rise of the ronin etc.
He’s alright not the best choice and not the worst I personally wouldn’t invite him just because he literally has dinner and several talks with Xbox executives so as a result I can’t his opinions super seriously
Agreed. It's almost funny, but it's also pretty disturbing. Parasocial relationships are truly insidious because the folks who fall prey to them are usually completely unaware...
@@brandonscott3423 And that's fine. We should all come to our own conclusion based on what he, along with Nate and MVG, have to say. It's just so bizarre seeing people's reaction on the title alone. So weird. Having listened to it all, I felt he was a good guest. Good back and forth with the hosts. Even if I didn't agree with everything said.
You brought colt🤣. Bruh this guy knows f all. He’s just another sad console fanboy lmao. For reference, just skip over, ignore, or laugh at what that clown says and you should be good🤣.
Microsoft might want to dissuade existing subscribers of Gamepass Console from cancelling their subscription because that would mean they would lose their day 1 perks at that price if they ever were to want to resubscribe to Gamepass. It seems to me they are still discovering what pricing model is sustainable.
The valve discussion was really silly Nate. Valve is not the publisher of all games on Steam. They won’t be able to greenlight putting games on any platform other than PC/Mac, unless they renegotiate with every single publisher they’re hosting.
Valve/Steam is the service. If you put your games on Steam, the games can be purchased on any device hosting Steam. If next-gen Xbox has Steam integration, then all products on Steam would be available to those using it.
If Valve can get the same PC binaries to run on Xbox there is no need to renegotiate, and since Xbox uses a x86-64 CPU and Windows based OS there is no reason that it shouldn't. It's the same reason why there was no renegotiation to get your Steam games to run on the Steam Deck. The main obstacle to (legally) playing Steam games on the Xbox is Microsoft allowing the Steam app to be available for Xbox.
It might be unpopular but early access is great. It allows for devs to make more and capitalize on fomo, mean while normal folks wait for the Friday release or the following week. Maybe for competitive games it’s not great but devs can make more without charging everyone more 🤷♂️
@@NatetheHate totally, I’ve been in ultimate since day one and feel it would have been great to grandfather some folks in. Got screwed over with starfield and learned my lesson to skip early access but it’s being used for the devs to work out the kinks which is a real crime for those that support them the most
people dont have to except anything from microsoft. gamepass being the main focus is the reason why xbox is not popular. wheres the first party exclusives that would actually show off the power and features of the xbox series x.
What i think they should do with gamepass is make ultimate actually ultimate. Ultimate - you litterally get everything for subbing. Betas, early access, special demos, DLC, ect. You are paying for this you get everything. Standard - the cheap tier with bare minimum stuff mostly online play and a few games that are already well past their prime.
People forget that PlayStation had Steam ban Playstation games in countries that can't make a PSN. Playstation can easily block games on Microsoft handle if Steam comes to it.
They just need to make a pc handheld focused version of windows (mostly so you dont have to use the touchscreen all time). Make it so the Xbox PC app works really smoothly on it. I dont think an Xbox ONLY handheld will do as well as people think it will.
If the new fable only has a female protagonist then it will be a deal breaker for me. Ever since Fable 2 you have been able to pick your gender and in a game about embodying a hero, this is a must for the new fable. I actually think the remake of fable 1 should have added a female protagonist but if the new fable only gives you the female character then i am out.
They could make up the losses of multiplayer tier going free by selling more games because of building trust with consumers to buy games on xbox instead of pc. Right now we can't even quantify how many people avoid consoles because of the extra fee associated with multiplayer. Enticing those people to play on the ecosystem could be billions in revenue from a 30% cut of each game that's now purchased on xbox instead of pc.
If steam was on the Xbox, then surely Microsoft would want some kind of financial cut? Otherwise they are just surrendering revenue they would make through their own ecosystem. Microsoft would also then need two IDly be making a decent profit from their hardware. This conversation kind of reminds me of that speculation many people had about gamepass appearing on PlayStation and Nintendo systems, to me it was so obvious that the other party involved in such a deal would have no interest and that proved to be right as we have learnt from those court documents.
If they had to cram an x86 based Xbox system into a handheld, you would likely be looking at something with the bulk and price of stuff like the ROG Ally.
Well those comments on Fable I've now painted a target on your backs from a certain dark narrow corner of RUclips. The one that's been busy the past few weeks upset that Nintendo has the audacity to release TWO Princess centric games in one year.
The biggest annual game release day one on Game Pass (CoD) along with other ABK games coming this year is considered a disaster for Game Pass? Lol this year seems to be the best year for Game Pass yet so not sure how you consider 2024 a disaster for Game Pass…
@@chovymasters7577 You’re not wrong but you missed the point. I’m sure there are plenty of people that would do the same if they’re as excited about an Xbox exclusive release. It would suck for anyone to schedule around said release only for it to be delayed.
Nate, your logic on waiting for games is dumb, PC gamers wait for ports from Sony, they are in no rush to play on the platform they prefer. Just because someones not willing to drop money on another platform, doesn't mean they don't want to play the game. People can be patient, not to mention, these complete editions of Bethesda games are fully patched with all the content included. Also, not everyone can afford multiple eco systems .
The core point is that those who are willing to wait may be content to do so; but with MS offering their games Day 1 on PC, they have minimized the incentive to purchase Xbox hardware. If you want to be part of the Day 1 discussion for a major Sony release... you need a PS5.
@@NatetheHateAbsolutely, I am willing to wait for Sony games on PC since I have very little interest in their first party offerings. However, there are tens of millions of gamers who aren’t willing to wait. I’m sure there are tens of millions who have a PC and a PS5/PS4. Xbox under Phil Spencer has repeatedly come up with growth strategies that reduce the insensitive to buy an Xbox. If you look at how lucrative it is to be a platform holder who makes 30% on every dollar spent on their platform it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to disincentivize Xbox sales where you have a strong platform and user experience for the Windows Store and Xbox App on PC, or even worse, letting Valve take 30% and building up their platform. Phil has been very short sighted with his strategies, looking for short term growth opportunities with ridiculous expectations for future growth.
The disconnect between journalists and commentators from the gaming audience in regard to the appeal of Hi Fi Rush is so weird. I guess because it's their job to try games like that out, giving them the chance to fall in love with it. But me and my friends took one look at Hi Fi Rush and dismissed it as some trash Cartoon Network thing like Ben 10. Main character does NOT look cool. Not as bad as Concord, but kinda the same safe, toothless blandness as Star Wars Outlaws.
@NatetheHate That November 12th release date slip-up might have been true until they saw other games coming out around it. I'd release both games before the game awards. If they need a little more cooking, wait and drop one in January, then another in March.
I don't mind seeing games 2 years+ out at all, until recently that was fairly common, just dont promise a date (or even year, really the way things are going). And do go radio silent for years. It IS rough when very little comes out across a few years though. But I dislike not seeing full deep dive gameplay after showing a game off 2/3 times. I'm yet to be convinced of any upcoming Xbox game apart from doom, which we have seen only one time. I'm still waiting for avowed/south of midnight to wow me. I think curating and supporting the development of good games in your studios is a real skill that requires retained talent in management, studio management and workers which is something Microsoft just hasn't developed as well as its competitors. There is a bit of a stink going back over a decade there and as a result they have a lot to prove. But games take longer than ever to develop and frankly just outright buying Actiblizz always kind of felt like the "easy" way out to me. I am still excited to see xbox mainly as a publisher going forward. Though I've already lost Hifi rush 2. So you know, mayve its not ideal on that front for me either. I'm hoping for an xbox handheld to give Nintendo/Valve competition. Gamepass on the go should do well enough, if they can ever get near Series S parity in a reasonable form factor in a few years (maybe something weaker running PC/App versions in the interim). The semi PC/console thing feels weird to me. If you they allow steam, how do they make money? Everyone will use steam. Will they demand a cut? Will steam give it. Hardware will need to be sold a profit in which case how do they compete with PS6/regular PCs.
The Game Pass from a first party release stand point is false. 2023 5 games. It'll be false this year too given ABK back catalogue + 2024 releases. Further, I heavily disagree about the narrative purposed in the Game Pass segment. Standard does have value, what the panel did not consider is the impact the black hole games have. For me, I like getting continuous info and seeing a roadmap because the big Live Service games do that too. It lets me plan when I can take a breather from those games to focus on a self-contained, premium experience instead. However I don't need the release date quite so far out thanks to Game Pass. Instead what's important is that Standard has the catalogue of games, since I usually miss the Day 1 and even Month 1 for titles given my spending/consumption. So being able to jump in when I've got that breather and enjoy titles, as well as benefit from sales is a great option for a cheaper price. That said, great show gents, I hope you have voices like Colt and others on more going forward.
Maybe Microsoft don't put release date of Indie and avowed, because they do that after stalker 2 release? Hype for thoes two can shadow stalker 2. Also MS changing GP price from September, for them bette get new user after that. From non diehard console warriors side: Now flintlock, august new legend of mana, september: stalker 2, Warhammer, October COD and more games what i don't remember now. More to play than wait for exact launch day next games.
Xbox could get back the money from not requiring an online subsciption buy the influx of new people, who would get an xbox just so they can play online for free. Then once they're in the ecosystem chances are there are going to be a good amount that will subscribe once a game pops up that they're intested in. Free online play would be a good selling point for xbox. and especially with the cost of living going up. like you said people are already establised with the playstation with trophies, library and friends being over there. it's really the only shot microsoft has to bring people to console.
@@NatetheHate again, the brand won’t ever pass Nintendo or Sony. This next gen console can do all of that and it’s still only going to have this very niche fan base. Why would anyone opt to play Steam games on their Xbox? It’s gimmicky at best. Their fan base is remnants from the 360 days and the new era of gamers are growing up with Switch, Sony and PC
I had an Xbox and an Xbox 360. After the huge fumble they did, I haven't considered even buying an Xbox. The naming scheme + the silly "you can only play games online" idea just killed my interest exactly at the time as the gamepass went full swing. No reason to own the device anymore. I still don't feel like I need an Xbox but something feels like they could be at a turning point soon.
They are definitely going full third party. I say that as an Xbox owner who was really hoping they would turn things around this gen. I’ve loved their software output, but it hasn’t resulted in high console sales or high game pass subscriptions, and the writing is on the wall with them putting games on other consoles
"the game hasn't overstayed its welcome" It's pretty funny that these guys are so used to bad games on PS/Xbox that they don't even want to play a game for more than 30 hrs... SMDH
Certain games don't need to be long experiences. Not every game needs to be 60-100hrs. A nice, compact well-paced 30hr game is perfectly fine. I'd rather have a game that feels a tad too short than one that runs far too long.
People in the comments caring that someone they don’t like is on a podcast they do like. Idk who this guy is. He might be terrible. Who cares? There’s terrible people everywhere. Live in the real world for once in your lives. This is not a real issue.
For all those people who don’t like colt that one person on this show . So really goodbye then because everyone has opinions and if you closed minded little babies then leave because all your comments are as toxic. 😂😅
I'm conflicted. I want more competition in the console space, but I *hate* Gamepass.... specifically Day One release. I like the series X hardware (not the forced online/monthly updayes) However as long as Microsoft push that, I can't support them continuings to exist. I won't buy any game that's a Day one release on Xbox. I rather sail the high seas than support any Day one GamePass game.
One game per quarter except the majority of games are incomplete and broken for months and months. EA and Ubisoft are circling the drain. Game Pass is a terrible value at this point especially when Ultimate exceeded $15 a month. It's not priced for the casual market.
It feels like every leaker podcast eventually just becomes an Xbox-only show because only Microsoft is willing to leak to random people. This definitely feels like the nadir for Nate, but idk, maybe we can go lower.
I'm honestly curious what that is? Like honestly. Reading their financials, despite what Twitter says, they are literally making more money than ever. The consoles are selling better than the PS4. They have great sales on the release of their PC ports. I honestly wonder what people mean when they make the statement you just did. And if it's about a gap in first party since Spider-Man, ok I get that. But that's such a minor thing. Considering this year alone, they had some of the biggest exclusives. Ronin Rebirth Helldivers 2 Pacific Drive. Astro bot and #Silent Hill 2 out this year as well. Not to mention the insane amount of third-party content across the board. So please... Elaborate if you can.
@jacoblesperance2115 stellar blade u forgot yeah I agree with what u said if a company is making money hand over fist and bringing new ips that sell what's the problem am sure those 3rd party exclusives will get bought out by sony tbh sony let's u make a 3rd party exclusive if they like it they buy it of course if it sells well too
Xbox/MS gaming is now much bigger then sony first party, they have 3 big different publisher so don't expect do marketing same as SONY. Everwild isn't pushing to release because SOT is still very popular, rare have same luxury like Rockstar. Upcoming astrobot loks great, we have released date and that's fine, where more games from sony first party, where big 3A, new IP? MS have 5 upcoming big games this year, big DLC for starfield and you guys have more criticism to not have dates for indie and Awoved. New game pass tire, up to september people can convert game pass core 2:3 to GPU for next 3 years. If not, people just want pay ever month, came new customres happy or not that's subjective thing. Objective is what's give you competitors in there subscription. GPU: First party day one (biggest publisher in the world), Great Third party games in GP(stalker 2, frostpunk 2), new and older (dead Island 2, persona 5) All EA games after 6 months (EA pro cost 16$ monthly) Xcloud Game pass in GeForce now, you can just buy GeForce now ultimate for months and Play hellblade 2, gear's hivebusters on hi end PC. game pass ultimate isn't for you when you play max 3 games in a year, but all above is great deal. Collector's can buy games from GP/MS yeras after release much cheaper. Example forza horizon 4, now 80% discount. Yeas MS do a lot bad things, but i don't want waist time for complaining hire.
I want y'all to keep that same energy when Sony doesn't release the PS6 disc console & only release the all digital PS6 console with no backwards compatibility PS3 games. Yes I'm looking at u MVG champion to never buy another Xbox console if it's just an all digital next gen Xbox console. U been trending on thin ice lately now will u keep that same energy when Sony does it the PS6 if it's gonna come out in late 2028 or will the PS5 pro be Sony last ditch console moving forward. As the true market leader who is helping to change the gaming industry into a better future of owning & playing games natively through the cloud if it's xcloud or through GeForce now.
I'm just sick & tired because nobody can't keep it real with the same energy if Sony does something it's gets pass or turn a blind eye but when Microsoft does something it's bad for the consumers & gaming industry. If nobody can't keep that same energy when Sony does something bad then don't report it or talk about what Microsoft does something good or bad. I've been PlayStation gamer from PS1 & all the negativity I hated from PlayStation is the toxicity from this PlayStation fanboy's always blaming Microsoft, PC gamers & Nintendo nonstop. No one wants to bring up why wants to keep raising prices quietly without anyone gonna notice about it.
@@ByronXbox4Life nobody is giving sony a pass, they have done a lot of shit, but they have the games and good technology. MS has been shitting themselves consistently since they announced Xbox 1 last gen because all they want is high subscriber numbers. That failure is on MS alone.
You know less than nothing. Your comment makes no sense in regards to anything discussed in this episode, as there were no claims made. Your failure at media literacy is your sole success.
Starfield can still come to PS5 & very likely will. Never said Persona was exclusive. Said that Sony may still be trying to work a timed deal but said Persona 6 is coming to Xbox.
If they EVER make another Banjo game, I would be shocked if it wasn't multi-platform simply because they really haven't cemented much of a sense of 'ownership' of the IP, despite holding the IP for over two decades. The nostalgic appeal around it is still very much cemented around Nintendo.
Flintlock was actually in that "out in the next 12 months" e3 press conference and it didn't release until 2 years later 🤦
Everything missed. Silksong still missing...
@NatetheHate Right? I still remember sitting down to watch it and thinking I better make a list cause these games were gonna be dropping like crazy. Boy was I wrong lol.
Im not familiar with your guest, but his view seems to personifies what is wrong with Xbox. The fans can only see the dust left behind by the PlayStation. To them Nintendo is not even in the equation yet they are also losing to Nintendo. I like how MVG and Nate gently includes Nintendo in the discussion and the guest just refuses to see it.
What’s the real point of comparing Nintendo at all? They’re a generation and a half behind in the ecosystem and they’re developing exclusively handheld games.
@aegisleague4053 Yet the Nintendo switch, and just Nintendo in general is doing miles better compared to Xbox in so many regards.
@@resean2727 Okay? There's any number of reasons for that, like the switch being significantly more affordable, and being portable, and having a few quality exclusives. Nintendo is still operating under completely different development conditions than the rest of the industry right now. Comparing them doesn't get you anywhere. It's like bringing mobile into the conversation.
Nintendo's not even in the equation because they aren't trying to compete for the same customers as the rest of the gaming industry. They're trying to get children, casuals and brand new gamers. Their efforts to appeal to the "hardcore" fan are laughable at best and insulting at worst, when you consider their archaic online, lack of achievements, barebones current-gen 3rd party support, etc.
Sure, they're selling more consoles, but they're just too different for anything valuable to come out of comparing them. Nintendo's been hanging out in their own little niche ever since the Wii.
@@aegisleague4053You're so wrong about the switch that you'll bring up an actual system designed around the blue ocean strategy of appealing to the market with disposable income which isn't the hardcore gamer. BTW Microsoft and Sony are chasing that same marketshare regardless of the routes being different. Oh achievements/trophies are a dated validation for clout rather than instilling the will to be the best without the glamor.
@@aegisleague4053 Some Xbox fans as exemplified by the guest just want Xbox to be PlayStation with a green coat of paint. Which leaves their only differentiator as 'value' ; it also means they think gaming is Xbox/PS only and their view of games revolve around the annualized triple A treadmill and whatever exclusives Xbox told them to get excited about. Both Nate and MVG play games widely, and to bring on a guest with such a narrow perspective is jarring. And yes, Nintendo is super relevant as a brand that can beat PlayStation and carve out a space for itself, and i suspect that's what the guest wants for Xbox.
To those slamming the episode because Colt is the guest…have you even watched it?
I am currently over an hour in…and Colt has been an insightful AND CRITICAL guest. Very critical actually…and he shares the views pretty much all of us have. At one point he even says “I know I’ve been griping a lot…” because there’s A LOT to gripe about when it comes to Xbox.
I don’t know much about Colt…but you guys are missing out on a great, in depth Xbox episode.
Give it a chance. I enjoyed it and I’m least invested in Xbox out of the big 3.
Great job Nate, MVG and Colt. Keep up the “gaming gold!”
Yeah I'm not sure what the hate is about, as I'm not a subscriber of his, but I thought he was a fine guest. I actually agreed w/ a few of his points here.
@@iamsolez He's basically a toxic personality of the xbox community that embraces console wars, bullshit fake information and its most of the time just a hateful human being. Maybe this appearence is acceptable, but he isnt.
@@R0ndrashe’s not like that at all in this episode though. People are writing it off before they even listen. I just finished it and he was a good guest. Didn’t get “console warrior” vibes from him at he. He was quite critical and honest about his feelings towards Xbox and what they’ve been doing recently.
I like Xbox slightly more than PlayStation (which I also like, btw) for 2 simple reasons.
1. I personally like offset sticks better and I don’t use third party controllers.
2. I don’t like story in video games so many of the PlayStation exclusive games are generally not for me.
These are incredibly subjective and I’m definitely in the minority which is totally understandable. Being a console fanboy as an adult is incredibly depressing. Just let everyone play what they want on whatever they want. I play on all consoles but not everyone can do that or even wants to and that’s okay.
I'm confused at colts justification for paying for early access. Nate said ur not playing day 1 on gamepass if u offer a paid early access. There's no justification, it's not day 1.
While I agree with your premise legally it might still be seen as permissible, especially if Microsoft maintains that they use early access as a kind of paid final beta.
You are getting the game the same day it goes in-store unless you're paying for early access.
I completely agree with MVG when it comes to the capabilities of future Xbox hardware - it is extremely unlikely that they'll release Windows computers that are compatible with Xbox games, or vice-versa. To me based on those rumors the most reasonable expectation for an Xbox-branded handheld would be a regular Windows-based gaming handheld PC from the Surface team with a modern AMD chip. It won't be cheap, but it'll be sleek, and performant enough to play every game in the PC Game Pass library reasonably well.
Lots of venting about Xbox's mistakes and a good look into what to look forward to! Thanks for having me on!
You were great colt, dont let these crybabys in the comment section get to you
Alot 🦄 in the comments
This was a really interesting discussion! Thank you guys so much!
why colt? y'all pitying xbox too much and it shows. Jesus, this is quite the stoop. One of the most toxic people out there.
And we critique Xbox for the vast majority of the show. Not much pity is shown.
@@NatetheHateand you need Colt to legitimize your critique? I don't get it Nate. You need him as a badge/repellant or something? Can't you just critique games/companies (regardless of platform) without co-signing with someone who makes fun of people dead wife. This guy is not it man.
All offer plenty of critique of Xbox in this episode. We push back on him in some instances, too. We wanted to bring on a different Xbox personality from the usual -- that being Rand and Jez. Which Xbox content creator would you recommend for future consideration?
@@NatetheHate I must say, you are handeling this nicely. You are a class act Nate and I would like to see some people who are as cool as you and MVG. My choices would be someone like Miles Dompier, or Lord Sov. from the iron lords, heck even MAGG (colts co-host) would be good. Alotta good people with integrity and passion out there.
John or Richard from Digital Foundry. We really don't want this channel to be a influencer kind of show. We listen for you and MVG. Similar people are welcome as well.@@NatetheHate
I enjoy Nate and MVG.
Colt is a weirdo console warring grifter.
For this reason, i am out.
Ok, at this point Shamsa has to be either Nate or MVG.
😂
No you got it wrong! Nate or MVG slowly become Shamsa.
Nah shamsa is someone's mom not sure who exactly super supportive to the cast
Shamsa is probably some Saudi billionaires kid.
Your guest is Colteastwood?! Nah I’m out. That dude be capping way too much.
You guys really brought on Colt ☠️
Brooo, Colt????? Seriously? Aaand i Am out!!
You shouldn't have had Colt Eastwood on your show. It hurts your reputation.
Reputation? What reputation?
Colt is just a Xbot fanboy.
No it didn’t. If it really affected your opinion, you need to get a grip my friend. Colt was VERY critical of Xbox. He even says at one point “I know I’ve been griping a lot…”
Episode was a good one.
52:46 they aren’t clamoring for information because Sony gives them exclusive games to play while they wait. Final fantasy, hell divers, rise of the ronin etc.
Right because no games came to Xbox, Xbox players have NOTHING to play /s
The comments section is hilarious. People feeling personally attacked from the choice of guest today. lmao. He's a good guest.
He’s alright not the best choice and not the worst I personally wouldn’t invite him just because he literally has dinner and several talks with Xbox executives so as a result I can’t his opinions super seriously
Agreed. It's almost funny, but it's also pretty disturbing. Parasocial relationships are truly insidious because the folks who fall prey to them are usually completely unaware...
@@TheOneBearded I totally take a dude who’s “friends” with Phil Spencer seriously
I don't think they should have a guest that was making fun a someone's girlfriend passing from cancer only a few months ago.
@@brandonscott3423 And that's fine. We should all come to our own conclusion based on what he, along with Nate and MVG, have to say. It's just so bizarre seeing people's reaction on the title alone. So weird.
Having listened to it all, I felt he was a good guest. Good back and forth with the hosts. Even if I didn't agree with everything said.
You brought colt🤣. Bruh this guy knows f all. He’s just another sad console fanboy lmao. For reference, just skip over, ignore, or laugh at what that clown says and you should be good🤣.
Great episode Nate, Really enjoyed the conversation, and Colt was a great guest..
Ohhh great Nate, please share your wisdom with us mortals for when we can expect Nintendo to show the Switch 2 already 🙏
Colts here? I’m gone
Microsoft might want to dissuade existing subscribers of Gamepass Console from cancelling their subscription because that would mean they would lose their day 1 perks at that price if they ever were to want to resubscribe to Gamepass. It seems to me they are still discovering what pricing model is sustainable.
The valve discussion was really silly Nate. Valve is not the publisher of all games on Steam. They won’t be able to greenlight putting games on any platform other than PC/Mac, unless they renegotiate with every single publisher they’re hosting.
Valve/Steam is the service. If you put your games on Steam, the games can be purchased on any device hosting Steam. If next-gen Xbox has Steam integration, then all products on Steam would be available to those using it.
If Valve can get the same PC binaries to run on Xbox there is no need to renegotiate, and since Xbox uses a x86-64 CPU and Windows based OS there is no reason that it shouldn't. It's the same reason why there was no renegotiation to get your Steam games to run on the Steam Deck. The main obstacle to (legally) playing Steam games on the Xbox is Microsoft allowing the Steam app to be available for Xbox.
Thanks for the show. Just in time for my weekly walking exercise 😊
Have fun!
Great show and discussions.
Great episode!
It might be unpopular but early access is great. It allows for devs to make more and capitalize on fomo, mean while normal folks wait for the Friday release or the following week. Maybe for competitive games it’s not great but devs can make more without charging everyone more 🤷♂️
I'm not anti-early access. Simply think it should be a perk for Ultimate GP subs.
@@NatetheHate totally, I’ve been in ultimate since day one and feel it would have been great to grandfather some folks in. Got screwed over with starfield and learned my lesson to skip early access but it’s being used for the devs to work out the kinks which is a real crime for those that support them the most
people dont have to except anything from microsoft. gamepass being the main focus is the reason why xbox is not popular. wheres the first party exclusives that would actually show off the power and features of the xbox series x.
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
What i think they should do with gamepass is make ultimate actually ultimate.
Ultimate - you litterally get everything for subbing. Betas, early access, special demos, DLC, ect. You are paying for this you get everything.
Standard - the cheap tier with bare minimum stuff mostly online play and a few games that are already well past their prime.
There's no consistency in early access in Game Pass. I'm pretty sure Gears 5 early access was included, but Starfield was not.
People forget that PlayStation had Steam ban Playstation games in countries that can't make a PSN. Playstation can easily block games on Microsoft handle if Steam comes to it.
Oh hell no 🤢
They just need to make a pc handheld focused version of windows (mostly so you dont have to use the touchscreen all time). Make it so the Xbox PC app works really smoothly on it.
I dont think an Xbox ONLY handheld will do as well as people think it will.
If the new fable only has a female protagonist then it will be a deal breaker for me. Ever since Fable 2 you have been able to pick your gender and in a game about embodying a hero, this is a must for the new fable. I actually think the remake of fable 1 should have added a female protagonist but if the new fable only gives you the female character then i am out.
Been a lil while. Just listening to XNC and Nate the Hate was mentioned. Thought I’d best come back have a listen. 👍🎮
They could make up the losses of multiplayer tier going free by selling more games because of building trust with consumers to buy games on xbox instead of pc. Right now we can't even quantify how many people avoid consoles because of the extra fee associated with multiplayer. Enticing those people to play on the ecosystem could be billions in revenue from a 30% cut of each game that's now purchased on xbox instead of pc.
If steam was on the Xbox, then surely Microsoft would want some kind of financial cut? Otherwise they are just surrendering revenue they would make through their own ecosystem. Microsoft would also then need two IDly be making a decent profit from their hardware. This conversation kind of reminds me of that speculation many people had about gamepass appearing on PlayStation and Nintendo systems, to me it was so obvious that the other party involved in such a deal would have no interest and that proved to be right as we have learnt from those court documents.
Im not impressed by a showcase when they havnt put out a quality game in 2 generations.
I got a Series S near launch, but I regret giving Microsoft a chance this generation. No good exclusives yet besides Forza Horizon.
You couldn’t PAY me to listen to this
Can I pay you to leave?
If they had to cram an x86 based Xbox system into a handheld, you would likely be looking at something with the bulk and price of stuff like the ROG Ally.
Don’t listen to the haters, Colt was a great guest and would love to see more people on the podcast.
Well those comments on Fable I've now painted a target on your backs from a certain dark narrow corner of RUclips. The one that's been busy the past few weeks upset that Nintendo has the audacity to release TWO Princess centric games in one year.
Clown Eastwood 😂😂🤡🤡
context? im not familiar with the guest
@@deku812 he’s a huge Xbox fanboy who’s obviously a paid shill
This is the worst crossover I’ve ever seen
Truly is a time
Episode was great.
The biggest annual game release day one on Game Pass (CoD) along with other ABK games coming this year is considered a disaster for Game Pass? Lol this year seems to be the best year for Game Pass yet so not sure how you consider 2024 a disaster for Game Pass…
Nah, I’d definitely schedule months in advance for a game’s launch to take the day off from work. Did it for Elden Ring
Majority of games are not Elden Ring.
When it comes to Xbox specifically, definitely no Elden Ring in sight.
@@chovymasters7577 You’re not wrong but you missed the point. I’m sure there are plenty of people that would do the same if they’re as excited about an Xbox exclusive release. It would suck for anyone to schedule around said release only for it to be delayed.
nice episode
What would microsoft get from putting steam on it's hardware
I'm guessing they might think that people might be compelled to try game pass or buy from xbox store
Nate, your logic on waiting for games is dumb, PC gamers wait for ports from Sony, they are in no rush to play on the platform they prefer.
Just because someones not willing to drop money on another platform, doesn't mean they don't want to play the game.
People can be patient, not to mention, these complete editions of Bethesda games are fully patched with all the content included.
Also, not everyone can afford multiple eco systems .
You made a great point but ruin it by the insult. Now you sound like an angry gamer instead of someone that’s trying to get their point across.
The core point is that those who are willing to wait may be content to do so; but with MS offering their games Day 1 on PC, they have minimized the incentive to purchase Xbox hardware.
If you want to be part of the Day 1 discussion for a major Sony release... you need a PS5.
@@NatetheHateAbsolutely, I am willing to wait for Sony games on PC since I have very little interest in their first party offerings. However, there are tens of millions of gamers who aren’t willing to wait. I’m sure there are tens of millions who have a PC and a PS5/PS4. Xbox under Phil Spencer has repeatedly come up with growth strategies that reduce the insensitive to buy an Xbox. If you look at how lucrative it is to be a platform holder who makes 30% on every dollar spent on their platform it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to disincentivize Xbox sales where you have a strong platform and user experience for the Windows Store and Xbox App on PC, or even worse, letting Valve take 30% and building up their platform. Phil has been very short sighted with his strategies, looking for short term growth opportunities with ridiculous expectations for future growth.
WHERE is the counterpart to Sonys Playstation 5 Pro?????
Next year its too late for a mid gen Xbox!😮😮😮
The disconnect between journalists and commentators from the gaming audience in regard to the appeal of Hi Fi Rush is so weird. I guess because it's their job to try games like that out, giving them the chance to fall in love with it. But me and my friends took one look at Hi Fi Rush and dismissed it as some trash Cartoon Network thing like Ben 10. Main character does NOT look cool. Not as bad as Concord, but kinda the same safe, toothless blandness as Star Wars Outlaws.
The real DirectXbox episode of Nate the Hate with MVG
We will see more on Avowed in August
We can hope and hopefully it's still slated for a 2024 release.
@NatetheHate That November 12th release date slip-up might have been true until they saw other games coming out around it. I'd release both games before the game awards. If they need a little more cooking, wait and drop one in January, then another in March.
Good episode idk why people hating on colt he also critiqued xbox a good amount 😭
He offered much critique to their marketing strategies and acknowledged their pivot to multiplatform games as a reality that all must accept.
I don't mind seeing games 2 years+ out at all, until recently that was fairly common, just dont promise a date (or even year, really the way things are going). And do go radio silent for years. It IS rough when very little comes out across a few years though. But I dislike not seeing full deep dive gameplay after showing a game off 2/3 times. I'm yet to be convinced of any upcoming Xbox game apart from doom, which we have seen only one time. I'm still waiting for avowed/south of midnight to wow me. I think curating and supporting the development of good games in your studios is a real skill that requires retained talent in management, studio management and workers which is something Microsoft just hasn't developed as well as its competitors. There is a bit of a stink going back over a decade there and as a result they have a lot to prove. But games take longer than ever to develop and frankly just outright buying Actiblizz always kind of felt like the "easy" way out to me.
I am still excited to see xbox mainly as a publisher going forward. Though I've already lost Hifi rush 2. So you know, mayve its not ideal on that front for me either.
I'm hoping for an xbox handheld to give Nintendo/Valve competition. Gamepass on the go should do well enough, if they can ever get near Series S parity in a reasonable form factor in a few years (maybe something weaker running PC/App versions in the interim).
The semi PC/console thing feels weird to me. If you they allow steam, how do they make money? Everyone will use steam. Will they demand a cut? Will steam give it. Hardware will need to be sold a profit in which case how do they compete with PS6/regular PCs.
The Game Pass from a first party release stand point is false. 2023 5 games. It'll be false this year too given ABK back catalogue + 2024 releases. Further, I heavily disagree about the narrative purposed in the Game Pass segment. Standard does have value, what the panel did not consider is the impact the black hole games have. For me, I like getting continuous info and seeing a roadmap because the big Live Service games do that too. It lets me plan when I can take a breather from those games to focus on a self-contained, premium experience instead. However I don't need the release date quite so far out thanks to Game Pass. Instead what's important is that Standard has the catalogue of games, since I usually miss the Day 1 and even Month 1 for titles given my spending/consumption. So being able to jump in when I've got that breather and enjoy titles, as well as benefit from sales is a great option for a cheaper price. That said, great show gents, I hope you have voices like Colt and others on more going forward.
Love Colt and Mag, Rand and Jez and Gaz. Bring please next time Septic Sauce/Gaz.
Maybe Microsoft don't put release date of Indie and avowed, because they do that after stalker 2 release? Hype for thoes two can shadow stalker 2. Also MS changing GP price from September, for them bette get new user after that.
From non diehard console warriors side:
Now flintlock, august new legend of mana, september: stalker 2, Warhammer, October COD and more games what i don't remember now.
More to play than wait for exact launch day next games.
Xbox could get back the money from not requiring an online subsciption buy the influx of new people, who would get an xbox just so they can play online for free. Then once they're in the ecosystem chances are there are going to be a good amount that will subscribe once a game pops up that they're intested in.
Free online play would be a good selling point for xbox. and especially with the cost of living going up.
like you said people are already establised with the playstation with trophies, library and friends being over there. it's really the only shot microsoft has to bring people to console.
It would be ok to close a studio if their game was bad not good and got awards for it. Which is why it looked bad. 😅
Awards are nice but they will never be a reason to keep a studio open, unfortunately.
Come on guys, their next gen hardware is absolutely dead. The brand outside of these refugee camp podcasts is dead.
What if it offers Steam and becomes a Play-All solution? It has potential pending the execution of the concept.
@@NatetheHate again, the brand won’t ever pass Nintendo or Sony. This next gen console can do all of that and it’s still only going to have this very niche fan base. Why would anyone opt to play Steam games on their Xbox? It’s gimmicky at best. Their fan base is remnants from the 360 days and the new era of gamers are growing up with Switch, Sony and PC
It's a gimmick that's a risk but has potential. MS needs to do something new and radical next-gen. Maybe Steam integration is the answer.
I will buy Hi-Fi Rush on PS5 when the physical is out. I played it on Gamepass for £1, i'm not interested in paying for a digital version.
Isn’t it already out on disc? I was under the impression it was
Not yet. LRG announced intent to bring it to physical but haven't announced when it'll be available.
@@balaam_7087 No news on a release yet. LRG stated back in May it was still coming.
I had an Xbox and an Xbox 360. After the huge fumble they did, I haven't considered even buying an Xbox. The naming scheme + the silly "you can only play games online" idea just killed my interest exactly at the time as the gamepass went full swing. No reason to own the device anymore.
I still don't feel like I need an Xbox but something feels like they could be at a turning point soon.
They are really hyping Dave the Diver as the big drop next week next to the worst call of duty ever lol
No one has said it's Dave the Diver.
@@NatetheHate it’s Dave the Diver or FF16. Someone found some crumbs in the Xbox store back end.
It's not Final Fantasy 16 (this will come to Xbox at a later date) and the only mention of Dave the Diver was speculation by the individual.
Dave the Diver is a great game
Good stuff. Thanks for the conversation fellas!
Any time!
Oh god clown eastwood
Great show Nate
They are definitely going full third party. I say that as an Xbox owner who was really hoping they would turn things around this gen. I’ve loved their software output, but it hasn’t resulted in high console sales or high game pass subscriptions, and the writing is on the wall with them putting games on other consoles
The dlc for game pass games not being included really irritates me.
Great conversation 👍🏾
Glad you enjoyed it
"the game hasn't overstayed its welcome"
It's pretty funny that these guys are so used to bad games on PS/Xbox that they don't even want to play a game for more than 30 hrs... SMDH
Certain games don't need to be long experiences. Not every game needs to be 60-100hrs. A nice, compact well-paced 30hr game is perfectly fine. I'd rather have a game that feels a tad too short than one that runs far too long.
Id take a 7 hour great game over a 70 hour good game any day.
People in the comments caring that someone they don’t like is on a podcast they do like. Idk who this guy is. He might be terrible. Who cares? There’s terrible people everywhere. Live in the real world for once in your lives. This is not a real issue.
For all those people who don’t like colt that one person on this show . So really goodbye then because everyone has opinions and if you closed minded little babies then leave because all your comments are as toxic. 😂😅
Hey, Nate the Hate! Will a Epic Mickey: Rebrushed Demo be at 2024’s San Diego Comic-Con?
My guy
I'm conflicted. I want more competition in the console space, but I *hate* Gamepass.... specifically Day One release. I like the series X hardware (not the forced online/monthly updayes) However as long as Microsoft push that, I can't support them continuings to exist.
I won't buy any game that's a Day one release on Xbox. I rather sail the high seas than support any Day one GamePass game.
This was a GREAT conversation! Best episode no doubt.
Loved that you had Colt on the show. Great conversation.
One game per quarter except the majority of games are incomplete and broken for months and months. EA and Ubisoft are circling the drain. Game Pass is a terrible value at this point especially when Ultimate exceeded $15 a month. It's not priced for the casual market.
Y’all are so mean to Colt. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. 😠
@@LiteralTable756 act like a bozo be treated like a bozo 🤷🏼♂️
It feels like every leaker podcast eventually just becomes an Xbox-only show because only Microsoft is willing to leak to random people.
This definitely feels like the nadir for Nate, but idk, maybe we can go lower.
We literally are talking Sony next week and have talked Xbox three times this year. How are we an Xbox-only show?
@@NatetheHate I feel like it's pretty clear you have no sources left outside of Xbox so any of your non-Xbox podcasts have little to no info.
We haven't done an in-depth discussion on any company since the start of the year.
New vid! Glorious day!
Or we can talk about the troubling state of PlayStation as well
If only a Sony episode were coming next week...
I'm honestly curious what that is?
Like honestly.
Reading their financials, despite what Twitter says, they are literally making more money than ever.
The consoles are selling better than the PS4.
They have great sales on the release of their PC ports.
I honestly wonder what people mean when they make the statement you just did.
And if it's about a gap in first party since Spider-Man, ok I get that.
But that's such a minor thing. Considering this year alone, they had some of the biggest exclusives.
Ronin
Rebirth
Helldivers 2
Pacific Drive.
Astro bot and #Silent Hill 2 out this year as well.
Not to mention the insane amount of third-party content across the board.
So please...
Elaborate if you can.
@jacoblesperance2115 stellar blade u forgot yeah I agree with what u said if a company is making money hand over fist and bringing new ips that sell what's the problem am sure those 3rd party exclusives will get bought out by sony tbh sony let's u make a 3rd party exclusive if they like it they buy it of course if it sells well too
@@princexmilano
I can't believe I forgot Stellar Blade, lol.
I loved that one.
Only got 15 minutes in and I’m physically sick
Xbox/MS gaming is now much bigger then sony first party, they have 3 big different publisher so don't expect do marketing same as SONY.
Everwild isn't pushing to release because SOT is still very popular, rare have same luxury like Rockstar.
Upcoming astrobot loks great, we have released date and that's fine, where more games from sony first party, where big 3A, new IP?
MS have 5 upcoming big games this year, big DLC for starfield and you guys have more criticism to not have dates for indie and Awoved.
New game pass tire, up to september people can convert game pass core 2:3 to GPU for next 3 years.
If not, people just want pay ever month, came new customres happy or not that's subjective thing.
Objective is what's give you competitors in there subscription. GPU:
First party day one (biggest publisher in the world),
Great Third party games in GP(stalker 2, frostpunk 2), new and older (dead Island 2, persona 5)
All EA games after 6 months (EA pro cost 16$ monthly)
Xcloud
Game pass in GeForce now, you can just buy GeForce now ultimate for months and Play hellblade 2, gear's hivebusters on hi end PC.
game pass ultimate isn't for you when you play max 3 games in a year, but all above is great deal.
Collector's can buy games from GP/MS yeras after release much cheaper.
Example forza horizon 4, now 80% discount.
Yeas MS do a lot bad things, but i don't want waist time for complaining hire.
Best of the best on wifi. Love your p cast
Uhm Cod releasing today sooooo yeah..
Is this a video trying to hush the concord flop? 😂
Good show with ColtEastwood but even tho it’s a Podcast make a nice layout with guest profiles and such
Great episode. Loved that you had Colt on for a different perspective.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good show. Ignore the critics of the guest. Everything was good discussion and worth listening too.
Welcome Colt ! 🎉
I want y'all to keep that same energy when Sony doesn't release the PS6 disc console & only release the all digital PS6 console with no backwards compatibility PS3 games. Yes I'm looking at u MVG champion to never buy another Xbox console if it's just an all digital next gen Xbox console. U been trending on thin ice lately now will u keep that same energy when Sony does it the PS6 if it's gonna come out in late 2028 or will the PS5 pro be Sony last ditch console moving forward. As the true market leader who is helping to change the gaming industry into a better future of owning & playing games natively through the cloud if it's xcloud or through GeForce now.
Are you ok, buddy?
You need to take a chill pill.
I'm just sick & tired because nobody can't keep it real with the same energy if Sony does something it's gets pass or turn a blind eye but when Microsoft does something it's bad for the consumers & gaming industry. If nobody can't keep that same energy when Sony does something bad then don't report it or talk about what Microsoft does something good or bad. I've been PlayStation gamer from PS1 & all the negativity I hated from PlayStation is the toxicity from this PlayStation fanboy's always blaming Microsoft, PC gamers & Nintendo nonstop. No one wants to bring up why wants to keep raising prices quietly without anyone gonna notice about it.
@@ByronXbox4Life nobody is giving sony a pass, they have done a lot of shit, but they have the games and good technology. MS has been shitting themselves consistently since they announced Xbox 1 last gen because all they want is high subscriber numbers. That failure is on MS alone.
@@ByronXbox4LifeYou write like it's some political party... smh
There's a official document that literally said elder Scrolls 6 will be exclusive but you saying shit like this 😭
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You know nothing dude
You know less than nothing. Your comment makes no sense in regards to anything discussed in this episode, as there were no claims made. Your failure at media literacy is your sole success.
@@NatetheHate yeah like Nintendo switch pro
Banjo game
Persona being exclusive to Playstation
And starfield on ps5
These are all my claims
Starfield can still come to PS5 & very likely will. Never said Persona was exclusive. Said that Sony may still be trying to work a timed deal but said Persona 6 is coming to Xbox.
@@NatetheHate (can still)
So it's just your speculation and you don't have a source for that