Joe, i have been suffering from stage 2 bone cancer and it’s been rough. Not sure how long i have to live but i want to keep gaining knowledge and I wanted to thank you for making this strive for more knowledge easier.Thank you!
16:10 Ok, now I'm imaging a bunch of unfrozen 21st century people sitting on street corners in the 27th century asking for people to etransfer them credits in language so outdated it would be like panhandling in Shakespearean English today. "Lo, fair lady. Spareth thou a few pence for a humble orphan of the past? Nay? Fie, then. A pox on your house, ye wretch'd wench!"
That's like the cryonics episode of Star Trek TNG where they find 3 folks who were frozen back in our time and one of them is a jackass who witters on about money and stocks and how he's gonna sue Picard if he can't get put through to his lawyer.
@@Baes_Theorem good question, although it's probably still too early for these organizations to have put much, if any, time and money into answering it. But I imagine that as science/technology gets closer to solving the "big thaw" challenge, then they'll probably work on how to reintegrate former people-pops into society ;?)
This subject was also covered in depth by noted futurist Matt Groening in his breakthrough work "Futurama". His deep depth death character-Fry, has posed many of these philisoplical questions. Truly a fine post today...
More interesting, from a theorycrafting standpoint, is that even in liquid nitrogen we have an experiation date. No biological processes are running, but radioactive decay of isotopes and damage due to background/cosmic radiation is still occuring. Simplistic calculations point to a ballpark of 1000-5000 years till one accumulated a destructive dose of radiation.
@@ShadowLynx777 depends on the method of reviving. If it's digital upload, sure. If it's thawing out and repairing the freezing damage and what killed you, then the additional molecular damage of the accumulated hundreds of Grays won't make the job any easier. Note that I am talking about doses that kills people directly, not sets one up for cancer in 10 years.
A cheaper solution (literally) might be to turn your Corpsicle into Plastic ruclips.net/video/SlmK_dnrPAY/видео.html especially the brainy part. The guy in the video proposes turning Graveyards into Plastic Albums of Brain snapshots that can be scanned later like photographs, and played back on Simulation software like real brains in thinking people.. he even proposes "bringing back" Einstein and other people from the 1800's who pickled their brains in Formadehyde since that was a weaker version.. they might not come back whole, but a few software patches might bring back a little more than Eliza.. I'd luv to Riff on the whole concept of LPs but its just too easy.
“Dying is an act of faith, a surrender to the mystery.” That was deep. The music behind that part made it even deeper. Been watching your channel for less than a year now, found it randomly but I’m glad I did. Really good work!
I always wonder what happens if those companies go bankrupt, from the ongoing costs to maintain your body, what would happen? Would your relatives be informed so maybe you could pay to transfer to another facility? When you sign thier legal documents do you give up certain rights?
This actually happened to the first guy who tried to cryogenically freeze his patients. IIRC, he had 7 tanks, and when he eventually went bankrupt he couldn't afford to maintain/repair them so 6 of them eventually failed. The last one was transferred to a relatively modern cryo facility (I believe it's actually Alcor) but so much damage was already done by him opening and closing the tanks to do repairs that the body was too damaged. I believe that currently they charge you a fairly large amount and put it in an investment fund that supposedly generates enough revenue that supports you ad-infinitum, barring extreme economic events (wink)
Damn. Some of what you say really hits home with me. I swear this is a true story: I've had a pretty morbid fear of death for a while now. I'm terrified of never thinking or being conscious or seeing/doing anything ever again - basically nothingness (and I'm religious). But once, I had a dream where I was taking to Einstein. I asked him if he was afraid of death. Being a radical seeker of knowledge, he said, "No. When we die, one of the greatest mysteries of life will be answered". One of the more profound experiences I've ever had. No drugs involved. This kind of eased my fear of death some.
I doubt they'd ever defrost and repair one's head/body. More like a scan done at the atomic level then a recreation in a matrix-style program to bring you up to speed. Then you could choose to remain a ghost in the machine, in a sim of your choosing, or port yourself out to the physical world in whatever body you like. Biological, mechanical or a mixture. Having a restore point would also not be a problem and could be done continuously in case of accidental death. You could also fragment your copies throughout the world/universe and choose to consolidate memories at some point. Factory starships, devoid of humans, could be sent ahead to interesting solar systems, ready to receive data and reconstruct humans at the other end. Conversely, we could choose to remain conscious and be miniaturized, running on carbon processors, ported into starships weighing grams. These conscious micro ships could be accelerated to relativistic speeds, the consciousnesses within able to report back on what a whack trip they had. Then of course there is the Borg option. Joining minds. A collective of all of our own copies, or a collective of all who chose to join. The options are endless, and who knows what might emerge. Perhaps a level of consciousness we're not able to access just yet. Once we overcome this 21st century hump of psychopaths fighting over dirt, dragging us through their mud, the universe really will be at our feet. Nice vid Joe.
@@thespiritof76.. Indeed, but purgatory with an off switch. Maybe some of the Likeminds™ (neural clones) would wish to stay conscious, but any who didn't could be wiped, or fly into a black hole. Existence would always be optional, unless someone had a copy of you and turned you into their own private Tamagochi - that would be more like the concept of purgatory.
@@zombiasnow15 I don't think the particular mythology one enjoys would influence the science behind this concept. Upon waking in the matrix, the 'miracle' could be ascribed to any number of deities. Under ideal circumstances memory would be better than it was when real, and new memories could be implanted. Maybe one's relatives could offer up life experiences to incorporate such that the missing time between death and re-instancing could be filled in with other people's memories and experiences.
I suggest you a topic. Talk about the scientific publishing business. You have to pay 3000€, the scientist that do the peer review aren't paid. After the approval you need to adjust your publication in order to fit in their format and every picture or figure you use become their property. And then in order to view it someone have to pay 40€. Some universitys have to pay big sums so their own students can access the research made in the own University. They literally have more profits than Google.
Something I never understood about Pascal's wager: I can't control what I believe. If god really is as powerful as abrahamic religions say, he'll know I don't believe he exists no matter what I *tell people. *Also, if I'm an agnostic and/or atheist, isn't it better to only break one commandment (believe in god and nobody else) than two by saying I'm religious (which is a false pretense)?
I totally agree. You can't *choose* what you believe to be true. Either a proposition is convincing or it isn't. This makes the idea of a god that would punish nonbelievers terrible, and the idea that this is somehow a loving god completely absurd. Not my fault if the Creator can't put together a convincing case that he exists.
And then of course there's always the risk of believing in the wrong God. How was I to know that it was really Ururululuruluru I was supposed to have faith in? Ururululuruluru would have forgiven me for not believing in ANY God at all, but then I went and believed in somebody else. And now I'm stuck in hell.
@@Ahmad-qd7ix It means that belief in not something you do intentionally. For example, I can not decide that today at 8:34 PM I would start believing the global warming is real but I can decide that by 11:30 PM today I should go to bed. That's why god punishing somebody for lack of belief is so laughable because yesterday evening I tried to become convinced of his existence but I could not convince myself and now I am doomed to hell if I die this moment. See how funny that statement is.
Man I have been subscribed to all the science channel out there that are worth subscribing to. But your videos on the same topics are almost always better. And that's not an easy thing to achieve. I think it's because of the way you write your scripts. They are lose enough to incorporate humor and introspection and thus keeps one interested but tight enough to touch on all the important facts. Keep up the good work.
I worked with a guy whose father was a cryonics pioneer, (not mentioning his name for his privacy), his dad is now in a state of cryonics, well...at least his head is. The stories he told me over the years I worked with him were quite simply bananas. I told him he needed to write a book about the things he saw.
I'm with you on this one. I mean for sure we know the history of our time well, we can teach them future kids all about our way of life that no Internet or books can describe. we'll have unique experiences
Not sure if this was brought up previously on here, but the book "We are legion, we are Bob" by Dennis E. Taylor (available on audible) is exactly about this subject; though, when Bob awakens from his cryogenic sleep, he finds himself not in his own body, but instead in a Von Neumann probe. It's a superlative 3 book hard sci-fi series that I can't recommend highly enough. Fantastic channel, I stumbled upon it a few days ago and I'm hooked!
Yeah I’d go for it. No matter what future I wake up to it’s gotta be better than being dead. I always wanted to see what the future brings in hundred, thousand, million years. No job, skills, friends, or place to live will be trivial problems compared to being dead.
what if they just put your brain in a vat and torture it for their amusement? maybe they use you as npc in a futuristic role playing game and you die everytime forever and ever.
How do you figure that it's "gotta be better than being dead"? It might be a dystopian nightmare.....a literal Hell on Earth. How is that "better" than being dead?
astrol4b Well, that’ll be interesting too 😳 But to do that they’ll need to connect my head to a serious support system. I think AI would be a lot cheaper to make.
"...you might as well believe in god, because the benefits of believing in god far outways the downsides..." Which god, what benefits and what downsides ? Most gods people believe in are not very "amused" of people worshiping other gods. ...so which god ? If there is a god and i can't go to paradise despite having lived a good life being good to other people animals and the planet, just because i didn't believe in a childish narcissist supernatural sadist... then the paradise is not a place i want to be anyway. If there is a god and he is good, then he will let me go to paradise despite not having believed in him. ...so what benefits ? I am feeling very comfortable knowing that there is nothing after i died. That's nothing bad or sad, and it drives me to enjoy every second of the time i am alive even more. ...so what downsides ?
Pascal's wager is one of philosophies most flawed schools of thought. It leads people nowhere in knowledge while causing them to cling to ideas that could be absolutely wrong and it's done out of fear. Pascal's wager can also work the other way too. Maybe god doesn't want people to believe in him, maybe he want's us to follow the evidence and believe in something only until its evidently justified and this wisdom is what will be rewarded after death. When we live by suspending belief until its sufficiently justified by evidence we die in honesty. So it's better to wager on the evidence in no gods as to not believe in the wrong god or have unjustified belief and stay honest. Pascal's wager is so flimsy it can work any way for any god, but I guess Pascal was so fixated on his own religious views that through his strong bias he completely missed all the problems with his argument. All it poses is unjustified belief in the unfalsifiable and plays with our fear of the unknown. It's basically a fear driven conversion tool.
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." - Marcus Aurelius
Pascal's wager is a false dichotomy. It's not just believing in gods or not. You must also believe in the "correct" God of the thousands. So even if you picked one, the probability of hitting the jackpot is still about 1 in 4201. And the probability of landing in a hell, is as much as the number of religions with hell concepts. So picking a god/afterlife, makes not too much difference than not picking at all.
Plus can you just choose to believe?. It either makes sense to you or seems like something no one could possibly know. I guess you can try and talk yourself into it. But can you really?.
Plus, believing in a god is nowhere free. Most religions demand contributions, be it straight up material, or mental space, or ritual time. Even if you don't care, it can still crowd out better things in life. Pascal's wager has an ugly offspring, Pascal's mugging: I am a god, give me money or I submit you to eternal absolute torture. The cost of refusing far outweighs the cost of complying, no matter how small the chances I speak truth.
All that depends on inflation. What if America turns into a banana republic and starts printing money like crazy. You wake up with 10 million in the bank only to find out that a future pair of shoes costs 3 million dollars! lol
as a male Nurse i can tell you that i more often than not i Encounter People who welcome death in their last month(s)/year(s) or day(s). not because of pain or suffering, not because of social Isolation, but because they are "done", or even simply tired of life. the lust for eternal life hails more from People who are in a very comforting Position to begin with. most of our species aren't and never will be in the same Position unless we go full on star trek (replicators, etc.) and everyone got a paradise-esque life. life even in countries with retirement plans, etc. can be horrific for everyone but the upper class once you hit "old age" and tbh. i don't see this changing ever.
@@stone-hand So there's this really popular sci-fi show about a guy who accidentally gets frozen and wakes up a thousand years later. He goes on to be a delivery guy, same as his current era job.
@@goddessartemis85 - Wait, Futurama? My bad, I missed the reference, as I never watched the show more than a couple of minutes (nor the Simpsons, to be honest - I am more into '80s anime, being the stuff I loved as a kid).
@@dabotz_draws I don't see a bad here. I was just teasing Cristiano. I do recommend that you check out Futurama. Tons of internet jokes depend on familiarity with it. And it has some of the best writing I've seen in any show. There's also a lot of great math humor sprinkled throughout it.
This was so respectful. Most people when talking about cryonics always make jokes and forget that there is a scientific side in all of this. I loved your video. Congratulations!
I’m just going to have them drop me in a giant vat of sap. This way when some aliens find me a million years from now I’ll be trapped in amber and will be put in an alien museum!
Personally, I'm hoping that the cures for aging-related illness and deterioration are solved within my own lifetime and become inexpensive enough that I can take advantage of them - whether that's a course of medicines, nanobots, physically transplanting my brain into a replacement body (organic or robotic) or some other mechanism not yet dreamt-off. This would avoid the problem of suddenly waking up in a society of which I know nothing and of which I'm not a part. Living through the intervening years would cause me to change and learn along with the rest of the world, there would be no "catch-up period".
Your quote "Dying is an act of faith, it's a surrender to the mystery, no matter what you believe in regarding the afterlife even if you believe nothing happens at all.... You're still betting that you're right." really struck me. Also I tried understanding Pascal's wager, but I just can't seem to wrap my my head around it
What's interesting is that this concept, if realised, may be the only feasable form of "time traveling" into the future. With no way back to your timeline, of course. It would be interesting, and certainly feasible with current technology, to experiment with lab mice to cryonise them while they are alive, only to "wake them up" some time later.
The premise that there is a purpose to life is only fooling ourselves. Life is. Anyone who puts a purpose on life as a whole is just giving it a human perspective. Sure, we can give our human lives meaning, but it means a speck of nothing in the whole perspective. Paradoxically perhaps, I find thinking this way quite freeing. Anything on top, like God, or 'we are here for a reason' thinking, is a comfort mechanism. The extension of human life is a reasonable thing, as we try to gain further control over the natural life cycle of the human body. In terms of that it's probably a nice thing to be able to live until you no longer want to. That is, you lose curiosity in everything and everyone, and get terminally bored. Then it's probably time to go. Hopefully, everyone could live to that stage before they get to decide to go. It's the young people who don't get the chance to feel any of the beauty in life, before they are taken away by an accident or disease, are the ones I really feel sorry for. They are either just becoming incredibly aware of what's out there and are eager to take it all in, or they are destroyed by the environment that they are growing up in and desperately need the beauty in life to pull them from the abyss. But then they die. Either way, that's awful. Oops. Drifted off into random there. Good video, as always. Thought provoking, which is good.
"The premise that there is a purpose to life is only fooling ourselves." ...why?... "Anyone who puts a purpose on life as a whole is just giving it a human perspective." ....giving life a "no purpose" verdict is also giving it a human perspective... Sure, we can give our human lives meaning, but it means a speck of nothing in the whole perspective. " ..."meaning" vs "purpose" define the difference...and it's STILL human perspective... " Anything on top, like God, or 'we are here for a reason' thinking, is a comfort mechanism." ..again WHY???...why should be the idea of "God" be a comfort mechanism? It could just as well be discomforting... "It's the young people who don't get the chance to feel any of the beauty in life, before they are taken away by an accident or disease, are the ones I really feel sorry for." ...again... that's human perspective ... welcome to purpose/meaning ...with or without "God" ... "They are either just becoming incredibly aware of what's out there and are eager to take it all in, or they are destroyed by the environment that they are growing up in and desperately need the beauty in life to pull them from the abyss. But then they die. Either way, that's awful." ...yes we agree...WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN..but it shouldn't make a difference one way or another (awful or not, suffering or not) without purpose should it??... "Oops. Drifted off into random there." NO YOU DIDN'T!!!...at all... You just revealed where you TRULY are...after all the rhetoric...part of the purpose of life is BEING SYMPATHETIC AND CARING FOR OTHER SENTIENT BEINGS...be they human or not....even if there isn't a "God"...and that's just PART of our "human perceived perspective"... Consider that as humans human perception and hence perspective is virtually impossible ...
The purpose of life is for life to go on, every living thing try to survive and reproduce, and that's all the proof we ever had, the purpose of life is for life to go on, and that's all apparently. I don't understand what you are trying to argue here, that human perspective is special ? I mean I believe there is a correlation between existence and the universe but that's all, maybe every living thing on this planet is somewhat conscious, "exists" if you may, maybe we just got lucky but hey if the universe is almost infinite, and in constant progression then maybe we are not that special ,and consider multiverse too, if there are other universes then we literally represent nothing. Your life matters in the sense that you only get once chance, and it's this one, you were lucky to be who you are, you were lucky not to be a snake, a rabbit, or something easy to kill or whatever, and since your life is everything and when you die there is nothing, then yes it is important for you to enjoy this life and try to live as long as you can cause, you know you were pretty lucky. Of course we feel sad when we see someone die it's empathy, which is an evolutionnary advantage, the "human perspective" as you say is just the human nature, empathy and the will to live. Some psychopaths don't have empathy, some people have very low empathy so what is their purpose in life ? i'm not sure what you are trying to argue here, that life has purpose or meaning ? Well you give your life meaning, but technically I don't believe in free will, not because of destiny or anything but because I think your genes and your environnement makes up who you are, and everything that happens and every choice that you make is up to randomness of the present, and the randomness that made you who you are.
That was a good read, Chief. I can try to speak for every African American child, teen, or young adult. That is where we are now, threatened by our environment, each other, and others. That just want us dead. We desperately need that hand to pull us out of the abyss, desperately. That is why almost every African American person belongs to one religion or another, because it's the only hand that is their for us. To help pull us away from that deep dark abyss.
_"The purpose of life is for life to go on, every living thing try to survive and reproduce, and that's all the proof we ever had, the purpose of life is for life to go on, and that's all apparently."_ ..all that sure sounds like "no purpose " to me... _"I don't understand what you are trying to argue here, that human perspective is special ?"_ ..no...that's it's UNAVOIDABLE...that's why you're here giving us YOURS...unless i'm mistaken... _" I mean I believe there is a correlation between existence and the universe but that's all,"_ ..do you know of someone who may not believe that??....From the view of Cosmology...there's no room or concern with purpose, that's a totally different realm.. _" maybe we just got lucky but hey if the universe is almost infinite, and in constant progression then maybe we are not that special ,and consider multiverse too, if there are other universes then we literally represent nothing."_ ..and this is NOT human perspective???...... _"Your life matters in the sense that you only get once chance, and it's this one"_ ...one wonders how *you got to personally realize this* ...i categorically DON'T KNOW one way or the other and given my self acknowledged ignorance, i'd rather *not make assertions.* We're different people...apparently.... _" you were lucky to be who you are, you were lucky not to be a snake, a rabbit, or something easy to kill or whatever, and since your life is everything and when you die there is nothing, then yes it is important for you to enjoy this life and try to live as long as you can cause, you know you were pretty lucky."_ ...i won't even begin to try explaining why all the above is just vacant hot aired ranting...the task is simply way TOO MUCH....hopefully you can work it out yourself one day coming soon.....hopefully... _"Of course we feel sad when we see someone die it's empathy, which is an evolutionnary advantage, the "human perspective" as you say is just the human nature"_ ...OK..so there's no purpose ....BUT THERE IS "NATURE"?????....doesn't "nature" point to *a blueprint* of behaviour and propensities???? ...doesn't your blueprint become your "preordained purpose"???...are you THINKING?????.... _"i'm not sure what you are trying to argue here, that life has purpose or meaning ?"_ ...yes I'M SAYING EXACTLY THAT....i never gave the reason(s) why i FEEL that way, or why IN MY OPINION it's true.... _"Well you give your life meaning, but technically I don't believe in free will"_ ...but you still accept HUMAN NATURE???.....are you saying that our "nature" (speaking contrarily) is having no free will???...how do YOU reconcile THAT???... _" I think your genes and your environnement makes up who you are, and everything that happens and every choice that you make is up to randomness of the present, and the randomness that made you who you are."_ ..notice your quote begins with I THINK... ...that's *your* human perspective on reality... ...it's *your* opinion... ...and you're *very welcome to it* .... ..as i am to mine.... *:-)*
I'm German, so naturally cynical, and I read Transmetropolitan at too formative an age to have any sort of interest in cryonically preserving any part of myself. (context for those who haven't read Transmet: Cryonically frozen people are revived in that universe, per contract, but the world has changed so significantly near everybody revived that way has essentially a mental breakdown moments after experiencing the world and spends the rest of their second life in a vegetative state, housed in shelters during the night, kicked out during the day and huddling at street corners while ignored by everyone. Basically how the unhoused mentally ill are treated today, just surrounded by "technological marvels")
I'm always equally astonished at the fact no one seems to really get that there's no such thing as an "ego" or a "soul". There's no such thing as a special arrangement of atoms that makes you different. You and I and everyone else. Just start by imagining what it would be like to have your own memories or information replaced by someone else's. Just imagine. Please. Get. It.
I have a relative who is in the process of dying of complications from cancer. He's in his late 70s and, due to prior health problems, he's been very close to death before but has survived to live on many more years. He is so close to and keyed into his family that, though he would certainly want to continue to be with them, I can't imagine him ever wanting a future that didn't have his beloved wife, children, grandchildren or step-grandchildren in it. The possible future promised by cryonics seems intolerably lonely to me. One would wake up among strangers only to find oneself to be an anachronism.
Quantum teleportation is never a suicide. Depending on what you call "you" there's only two options: either you survive as a continuous process tied to a fundamentally unique set of quantum information, or you never really lived in the first place, being just a series of snapshots each with their own illusion of self.
add to the fact that every cell in your body is replaced several times over the span of your life, its even less of an issue. Especially if they can scan for and remove cancer and unwanted microbes just prior to reconstruction.
So if you died and froze yourself, would you lose all your worldly possessions? I assume the Children and family will inherit one's stuff, most likely they won't want to give it back or have spent one's fortune. Also Why would generations removed want some old guy to wake up and demand their homes or land if it was once theirs?
I don’t know if I’d want to be ‘preserved’ and wake up 500 years from now or however long it would be until I could be woken up because everyone I know would be long dead and the world would likely be nothing like it was when I died. But I’m not going to lie and say I’m not interested-because it’s so damn cool!!
Well if you wake up 500 years for now you’d probably be a celebrity, just think how valuable you’d be to historians we have books, and physical objects from 500 years in the past but they have there limits to how much we can learn from them but a person from the time would be able to provide a ton of information but the only problem I have is there is no way to preserve the memories, memories are electrical signals in your brain and when they stop they don’t come back so if you do wake up you’d be a vegetable
The Transmetropolitan comic series dealt with this issue, people being revived typically coming out with major psychological disorders not being able to comprehend the future they woke up in and discovering that the future really didn't care about them, dubbing them 'Sleepers' shoving them into shelters and forgetting about them.
I love Transmet, and found that story morbidly amusing, but I don't think it's accurate at all. The kind of people who sign up for cryonics are people who see life as an adventure and are hungry to learn about the future. People migrate to radically different countries where they don't speak the language yet still thrive all the time. This won't be much different. Cryonicists are also a pretty close-knit group. If nothing else, the shared experience is likely to create a strong internal support network.
Between a 0% chance of revival and a 1% chance of revival, it seems like the 2nd option would be the most rational. Cryonics might be a long shot, but it is the only shot available right now for those who want to live forever. Basically, it's either cryonics, or a 0% chance at life. Question for Joe: Are you signed up yourself? You seem to be quite convinced by the logic of cryonics.. waitbutwhy.com/2016/03/cryonics.html Good case for cryonics. Long read but quite worth it. "Cryonics is the process of pausing people in critical condition who can’t accept the concept of death, in the hopes that people from the future will be able to save them."
Possible answer to the teleportation problem, would love to get thoughts: Idk if someone’s already named this but If not I’d call it the transition solution. What if just like how our cells slowly replace each other and carry on the same process to maintain our consciousness, we slowly applied this to transitioning over time to computer consiousness. Each day a little more computer takes over for a few more nerve cells. You go a long period of time where your consciousness is shared by neurons and computer code until finally, a year or years later you’re fully code
So are they contractually obligated to revive and repair you? Who’s to say that they would bring you back if they could? And who would pay for the operation? It would surely be a very expensive task to reanimate a person. Maybe they would just leave you on ice or just dispose you after so many years?
Same thing I am thinking. I mean who is there to ensure or even care if you are ever "brought back"? In 1000 years or even after 100 years, what purpose would you be able to serve to the current civilization of that time? Also, whose to say that "they" did for some reason need us people from the past. Why would they not be very selective about the process and only bring back the people that could serve whatever purpose that they chose (i.e. genetics). I just doubt that I would ever be able to serve a purpose or contribute in any way at a future point of time that a first grader of that time would not be able to, and to even greater capacity than myself. Although, I would love to see what the future is like by any means possible! Sign me up!
The people involved are betting on a BETTER world the implication is that6 the kind of world that would bother defrosting you would be a world with at least free health care, not too much that a person from the 2010s can offer to pay for, or even do to work off the value of a new life.
Seriously? You thought scientists are not passionate enough to have readily available bodies to try cryonics if ever? Anyway, the donor knows there's no guarantee. That's why they are donors because they donate for science and research in the future. What they pay for is the process of preserving their body for the as long as possible.
Yer dead... who cares? If you don't get brought back welll... you lived your life... and you lived it slightly poorer than you would have otherwise but what is money to happiness anyway?
Great overview! You hit all of the basics. More detailed technical info is out there for anyone who's interested, but it tends to make most people's eyes glaze over. I only have one tiny issue with this vid. The idea of "last in, first out" isn't a "strict policy". It's just a general expectation based on the fact that the cryopreservation process is being continually tweaked and improved.
I co-authored a book with Robert Nelson, the man who kicked cryonics off by freezing James Bedford, called Freezing People is Not Easy. This is perhaps the best, fairest description of the field of cryonics.
I just have one question. Why would the people in the future revive anyone? What is the value in investing a lot of resources and time into brining back someone who has outdated education, worldview, mindset? What would World gain from having whole lot of old dudes who are bringing the past? One of the philosophers once said. You do not chose time. You live in it and you die in it. And I do not see any logical reasons why anyone (except maybe an outstanding scientists, poets, writers, - other great men) would be revived.
I do not think any society that is short of resources would bother, so the chances are you would be revived either for your skills or knowledge (Perhaps you have an aptitude for something or the researchers of the time find you interesting?) or the society itself is wealthy enough to do it basically for 'shits and giggles'.
I think it would be possible to revive and heal someone from their long sleep, but first, even if possible, will they ever actually do it? Second, will you ever become conscious again? As consciousness doesn't necessarily need to be coupled to your body and brain being alive and active. I think if it is possible to revive someone from "cryonics sleep" he/she will be in a coma of some sorts.
Does the Cryo-life insurance also cover the cost of waking you up? or is the $200.000 just to be frozen? Otherwise what would be the motivation for the future guy's for spending what is most probably an exorbitant amount of money to get you thawed out and up and running again?
@Jurjen Kerkman In last 2 centuries (at least from Bismark times) there's a global proces towards public healthcare systems. While the US is a semi-hold out (semi = US gov already spends more on healthcare as percentage of GDP than quite many countries with universal coverage), if we're talking about centuries, then anyway it would end up with all population covered. Nevertheless, someone being frozen with all his relatives dead is neither an emergency nor loud pressure group. Thus defrosting would start with an extra few decades delay, as it would be a subject to politically expedient budget cuts.
To directly answer your question, in the case of Alcor, yes. The money left over from the cost of cryosuspension goes into the "Patient Care Trust". The interest it accrues more than covers the cost of upkeep (topping off the liquid nitrogen is very cheap), and when the tech required to revive patients is finally developed (and can be afforded), the principle will be used to pay for that process. Alcor is contractually obligated to do so, and either way eventually it becomes cheaper to revive patients than to keep them in suspension.
@excited box The short answer is that to revive someone from cryosuspension will *probably* require nanotechnology that can do repair at the cellular level. At that point, repairing whatever infirmities (disease, injury, aging) you had while also repairing any cellular damage from the suspension process will be trivial. Nobody is going to "come out of the tank" feeble or diseased. Put another way, we'll cure aging and disease before we have the ability to revive cryonics patients.
"This is heavy..." - Marty McFly. Think of all of the different applications for this... I mean, if everything works it literally means that time travel to the future IS possible. It also means that once technology was perfected, long distance space travel would also be possible. This is similar to the idea of stasis in many sci-fi movies... or at least relatively. Great video Joe!!
I appreciate I am late to the party on this but a couple of follow ups I’d appreciate someone to chime in on. 1. What is the difference in vitrification of the body vs brain? Is it possible that by focussing on one organ the success rate may be higher? 2. I have thought a lot about the teleportation problem and how if you make a copy of the brain it is no longer you. I may have a way around it. The brain works via electrical signals. Suppose we can replace portion of those with our computerised alternative and have them wired up to interface with our existing brain, you’d still be you. Now let’s keep going, at what point would you lose control over your own memories thoughts and feelings. Is it when the final Neuron is replaced? Or does it never happen?
I'm currently in the process of signing up. Two notes: 1) there IS a yearly membership fee for Alcor. Currently ~$550/yr, or there's student/family discounts. (I don't remember for CI. CI is kindof like the "budget" option, fyi.) Also, be aware that the life insurance thing gets more complicated depending on which years of your life you're trying to insure. 2) At the end, Joe kindof obliquely suggested that cryonics is opposed to belief in God - this need not be true.
I don't really care about death at all. I get this funny picture of people finding this cryonics warehouse in 500years, laughing at the absurdity of the concept (much like we laugh at medieval medicine) and switching it all off.
I was thinking the same thing. or like how we couldn't even take mummies serious bc all they did was rap them in bandages. but to them that was advanced. but honestly I would still take the chance
the thing that blows my mind is technology has become so much more advanced in the past 100 years, hell even the past 50. I cant imagine what it would be like in 500 from now
"Life Insurance" (insurance for death) is almost as misleading as "Heat Death of the Universe" (a very cold way for the universe to end). Almost. Not quite, but almost.
This is a fascinating subject, and one that I've been following since the late 70's when I first heard of the Cryonics Institute. You pose a lot of the same questions that I've thought about, and back then I remember that the majority of opinions were that it might take from several hundred to perhaps a thousand years before technology would be able to revive human "cryonauts". But today, with the speed that science and medicine are advancing, especially that of AI and nanotech, I'm feeling much more confident that we'll be able to crack the most difficult challenge of the "big thaw" within 50 to 100 years at most. As you stated, the fact that embryos can be frozen/vitrified and later be brought back to life is proof that it is actually possible, of course the main obstacle being the size and complexity of a full grown human body. As yet it's hard to imagine how to thaw a person's body quickly and evenly in order to avoid cellular death and, more importantly, ischemic damage to the brain, but imo the answer will likely be found through the development of intelligent nanobots to repair damaged cells in conjunction with some novel cryogenic fluid which has to capacity to carry oxygen and nutrients in a liquid state at low enough temps to prevent the damage that current types of anti-freeze unfortunately cause. Beyond the medical/science/tech challenges, I also think the most interesting questions are how former people-cicles will adapt to being brought back, and foremost being how will they find a place, especially a productive one, in society, which will also depend upon financial resources available to them. Perhaps these institutes will eventually offer personal investment strategies through trusts set up for you, but run by independent financial institutes (wouldn't want to create an incentive for these cryonics companies to keep you frozen longer or even forever, lol). And sadly, these days I'm much less confident that the world will be a better place within that time frame than I was a few decades ago - looking at how power and wealth is increasingly controlled by corporations and the 1% at the top, coupled with the damage global climate change will have wreaked by then, it's looking more likely that we'll be living in some type of dystopian society. So while I have thought for many years that I would be willing to give cryonics a try at the end of my life, nowadays I'm not so certain, smh.
Your consciousness and memories depend on active synaptic potentials. Maybe I'm behind on the chemistry, but I'd be willing to bet there's no way to freeze someone post-mortem and preserve the arrangement of synapsis. Any technology magical enough to recreate you from a corpsicle could do the same thing if you just left your brain in a shelf pickled in formaldehyde.
It all depends on how much unhappiness an individual can withstand- eventually people are ready to let go when their reality has become intolerable. In my observation of the dying process, only the very old,suffering from extreme discomfort, choose to stop eating and drinking. When you were born, you came through a door not knowing your future. When you die, another door is passed through not knowing your future.
In his book, The Singularity is Near, Kurzweil makes a good point about the copy/teleportation problem: if you replace the brain neuron by neuron, with the person awake, like in brain cirurgies, then it looks like the consciousness will be transferred from the old fleshy to the new tech brain
"Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do." Miracle Max, The Princess Bride
I know its outside the topic of this video, but I want to point out that Pascal's wager is a flawed argument. One cannot force themselves to believe in a god. Our belief is a consequence of what we perceive to be true. We can't believe in things we think are wrong, as hard as you may try you cannot accomplish this. If you pretend to believe then wouldn't any god would see through that. Pascal's wager also hinges on the judeo Christian assumption that a god would care about our unfalsifiable beliefs or the assumption that belief in god = access to an afterlife. So what Pascal's wager is really posing is not that we might as well believe in a god. Instead it poses that we must assume that the god we need to believe in cares about our unfalsifiable beliefs and we are safer to believe in that sorta god. Plus since this god cares about our unfalsifiable beliefs, we must also assume the right god. Because Pascal's wager can apply to any god. I guess Pascal was so fixated on his own religion he never considered that this argument applies to all gods and not just his. Of course this unleashes a myriad philosophical problems and why belief in the unfalisfiable can never be justified. Pascal's wager can also work the other way too. Maybe god doesn't want people to believe in him, maybe he want's us to follow the evidence and believe in something only until its evidently justified and that wisdom is what will be rewarded. This Pascal's wager is so flimsy it can work any way, but all it poses is unjustified belief in the unfalsifiable and plays with our fear of the unknown. It's basically a fear driven conversion tool.
But, when someone imagine "living indefinitely" does he keeps in consideration that he will have to work indefinitely too, and pay tax for the eternity and .... is waking up at 7 am for the eternity really such a big desire ?
Enjoyed the video. Very informative. You did a lot of research on this subject. The end of life is a mystery for the ages. However, there is one question that actually teases out what is likely to happen. And that question is simply: Where were you before you were born? This is a powerful question. If a person believes they were "nowhere" before birth, then does suggest what is in store for their destination after death? Ask yourself this question. Ask others. You may be surprised by the answers. You may be surprised how inconsistent people can be with respect to where they think they were before they were born (e.g., nowhere) and where they expect to be after death (e.g., heaven or someplace really nice.) Most people have never considered the question, and that is why it is so interesting to ask. It's a philosophical tease - and illuminates how humans have created fanciful notions about life and death.
@@wradale7 Ok well then you can be in a museum/public speaker. People im sure would love to ACTUALLY see a person from the time rather then just learn about that time.
@@wradale7 They would need someone who lived during that time to accurately put things into context or perhaps explain certain things. Also, bits of history that are vague and fragmented factoids to us where once rich and complex to past civilizations. So maybe my useless knowledge of Greek and Nordic mythology would be a lost art in... Whatever century cryonics aims towards?
58 UK male here .. I agree largely with Joe and have whole life insurance in place costing me $300 per month SO my money is where my mouth is .. my only disagreements are 1. I have not yet assigned the insurance once I do you CAN NOT change your mind in other words once you sign up you cant switch (the insurance no longer legally yours) if a different and better technique comes up in 10 years, and you change your mind and want switch you would need a completely new insurance policy. 2. Personal research ... mainly speaking to board members on the brain preservation prize makes me believe that at this moment in time the cryonics freezing techniques used are not good enough, I work as a professional psychologist so I have a grasp of the need for a very high level of preservation BUT it seems not there yet Conclusion .. get the insurance .. whole life dont yet assign it and TRY to stay alive if you can maybe another 10? 20? years or so THEN the preservation will probably be good, once thats a go its worth .. in my opinion the chance.
"Dying is an act of faith, it's a surrender to the mystery no matter what you believe in regarding the afterlife, even if you believe nothing happens at all... you're still betting that you're right"
I think the way to solve the teleportation problem applied to extracting someones conscious from their brain is to first integrate the brain with an artificial system and then slowly replace it piece by piece without breaking the continuity of the experience of self. Basically fixing one paradox with another. Since our body has no problem replacing the matter that makes it and especially the brain without running into the teleportation problem so I think we'd have to imitate that process.
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Joe, i have been suffering from stage 2 bone cancer and it’s been rough. Not sure how long i have to live but i want to keep gaining knowledge and I wanted to thank you for making this strive for more knowledge easier.Thank you!
I wonder if this person is still alive?
Good on ya.
You ok man?
He's gone
Rest in peace. Death is extremely sad. I hope they cure cancer, heart diseases, organ transparent, dmentia and Alzhmiers.
16:10 Ok, now I'm imaging a bunch of unfrozen 21st century people sitting on street corners in the 27th century asking for people to etransfer them credits in language so outdated it would be like panhandling in Shakespearean English today. "Lo, fair lady. Spareth thou a few pence for a humble orphan of the past? Nay? Fie, then. A pox on your house, ye wretch'd wench!"
That's like the cryonics episode of Star Trek TNG where they find 3 folks who were frozen back in our time and one of them is a jackass who witters on about money and stocks and how he's gonna sue Picard if he can't get put through to his lawyer.
Part of what you pay for in cryonics is reintegration back into society.
@@Baes_Theorem good question, although it's probably still too early for these organizations to have put much, if any, time and money into answering it. But I imagine that as science/technology gets closer to solving the "big thaw" challenge, then they'll probably work on how to reintegrate former people-pops into society ;?)
YEET! (Is this how that works?)
English is only my 4th language yet I had no problem understanding that Shakespearean quote. Your argument's invalid.
This subject was also covered in depth by noted futurist Matt Groening in his breakthrough work "Futurama". His deep depth death character-Fry, has posed many of these philisoplical questions. Truly a fine post today...
Always an innovator.
WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF TOMORROW!
Zoidberg rocks
Do you really want to take a chance of being a head in a jar eating fish food?
One of my favorite documentary series.
More interesting, from a theorycrafting standpoint, is that even in liquid nitrogen we have an experiation date. No biological processes are running, but radioactive decay of isotopes and damage due to background/cosmic radiation is still occuring. Simplistic calculations point to a ballpark of 1000-5000 years till one accumulated a destructive dose of radiation.
Great! More questions! This won't be feasable for at least another hundred years
@@zombiasnow15 so well in the ballpark of 1000 years ;)
Yeah wow, all your carbon 14 won't be replaced, huh wonder how that would affect it
You can't get cancer or die of radiation if you're "glassified"
@@ShadowLynx777 depends on the method of reviving. If it's digital upload, sure. If it's thawing out and repairing the freezing damage and what killed you, then the additional molecular damage of the accumulated hundreds of Grays won't make the job any easier.
Note that I am talking about doses that kills people directly, not sets one up for cancer in 10 years.
Something I can want to know is if I can stop frost damage by putting the cells under extreme pressure so that different forms of ice occur.
Please, do a demo
Cody, I think you'd be better off with a cryoprotectant.
A cheaper solution (literally) might be to turn your Corpsicle into Plastic ruclips.net/video/SlmK_dnrPAY/видео.html especially the brainy part. The guy in the video proposes turning Graveyards into Plastic Albums of Brain snapshots that can be scanned later like photographs, and played back on Simulation software like real brains in thinking people.. he even proposes "bringing back" Einstein and other people from the 1800's who pickled their brains in Formadehyde since that was a weaker version.. they might not come back whole, but a few software patches might bring back a little more than Eliza.. I'd luv to Riff on the whole concept of LPs but its just too easy.
You could try it on a mouse, or even just a plant.
Cody, don't eat the corpse ice.
“Dying is an act of faith, a surrender to the mystery.”
That was deep. The music behind that part made it even deeper.
Been watching your channel for less than a year now, found it randomly but I’m glad I did. Really good work!
can't we just freeze people in carbonite? we should be quite well protected... if we survive the freezing process, that is.
What are the odds of surviving carbonite 3PO? Hang on.. never tell me those.
I don’t think they’re a sponsor of this video.
"What if he doesn't survive? He's worth a lot to me."
@@juanelorriaga2840 "The Empire will compensate you if he dies."
Me 500 years from now: "Is Skillshare still around?"
RAID: Shadow Legends - Direct Neural Link Edition
Yes, its from the year 2520.
500 years from now I have no skills for jobs these days okay put me back in
Skillshare might rule the world
That's what I thought..
Ad transition smoother than a neutron star
I always wonder what happens if those companies go bankrupt, from the ongoing costs to maintain your body, what would happen? Would your relatives be informed so maybe you could pay to transfer to another facility? When you sign thier legal documents do you give up certain rights?
This actually happened to the first guy who tried to cryogenically freeze his patients. IIRC, he had 7 tanks, and when he eventually went bankrupt he couldn't afford to maintain/repair them so 6 of them eventually failed. The last one was transferred to a relatively modern cryo facility (I believe it's actually Alcor) but so much damage was already done by him opening and closing the tanks to do repairs that the body was too damaged.
I believe that currently they charge you a fairly large amount and put it in an investment fund that supposedly generates enough revenue that supports you ad-infinitum, barring extreme economic events (wink)
What about crayonics? Where you're basically turned into a crayon.
I still can't get the purple ones out of my nostrils
@@midas2092 They ARE your nostrils!
madame tussauds has the patent on that lol
@@Rose_Harmonic mother of God...
That sounds greenish. How can I trust you?
@@midas2092 How can it be greenish if there are purple crayons?
Damn. Some of what you say really hits home with me. I swear this is a true story: I've had a pretty morbid fear of death for a while now. I'm terrified of never thinking or being conscious or seeing/doing anything ever again - basically nothingness (and I'm religious).
But once, I had a dream where I was taking to Einstein. I asked him if he was afraid of death. Being a radical seeker of knowledge, he said, "No. When we die, one of the greatest mysteries of life will be answered". One of the more profound experiences I've ever had. No drugs involved. This kind of eased my fear of death some.
I doubt they'd ever defrost and repair one's head/body. More like a scan done at the atomic level then a recreation in a matrix-style program to bring you up to speed. Then you could choose to remain a ghost in the machine, in a sim of your choosing, or port yourself out to the physical world in whatever body you like. Biological, mechanical or a mixture. Having a restore point would also not be a problem and could be done continuously in case of accidental death. You could also fragment your copies throughout the world/universe and choose to consolidate memories at some point. Factory starships, devoid of humans, could be sent ahead to interesting solar systems, ready to receive data and reconstruct humans at the other end. Conversely, we could choose to remain conscious and be miniaturized, running on carbon processors, ported into starships weighing grams. These conscious micro ships could be accelerated to relativistic speeds, the consciousnesses within able to report back on what a whack trip they had.
Then of course there is the Borg option. Joining minds. A collective of all of our own copies, or a collective of all who chose to join.
The options are endless, and who knows what might emerge. Perhaps a level of consciousness we're not able to access just yet.
Once we overcome this 21st century hump of psychopaths fighting over dirt, dragging us through their mud, the universe really will be at our feet.
Nice vid Joe.
Wikus Van De Merwe you just brought back purgatory
It's a great fantastical creation..but the truth is we, would be memory-less and empty humans roaming the Earth..sort of zombieish
If you are Catholic
@@thespiritof76.. Indeed, but purgatory with an off switch. Maybe some of the Likeminds™ (neural clones) would wish to stay conscious, but any who didn't could be wiped, or fly into a black hole.
Existence would always be optional, unless someone had a copy of you and turned you into their own private Tamagochi - that would be more like the concept of purgatory.
@@zombiasnow15 I don't think the particular mythology one enjoys would influence the science behind this concept. Upon waking in the matrix, the 'miracle' could be ascribed to any number of deities.
Under ideal circumstances memory would be better than it was when real, and new memories could be implanted. Maybe one's relatives could offer up life experiences to incorporate such that the missing time between death and re-instancing could be filled in with other people's memories and experiences.
I suggest you a topic. Talk about the scientific publishing business. You have to pay 3000€, the scientist that do the peer review aren't paid. After the approval you need to adjust your publication in order to fit in their format and every picture or figure you use become their property. And then in order to view it someone have to pay 40€. Some universitys have to pay big sums so their own students can access the research made in the own University. They literally have more profits than Google.
Something I never understood about Pascal's wager: I can't control what I believe. If god really is as powerful as abrahamic religions say, he'll know I don't believe he exists no matter what I *tell people.
*Also, if I'm an agnostic and/or atheist, isn't it better to only break one commandment (believe in god and nobody else) than two by saying I'm religious (which is a false pretense)?
Pascel's wager only works for ACTIONS and not beliefs. That's why it fails for religion and works for cryonics.
I totally agree. You can't *choose* what you believe to be true. Either a proposition is convincing or it isn't. This makes the idea of a god that would punish nonbelievers terrible, and the idea that this is somehow a loving god completely absurd. Not my fault if the Creator can't put together a convincing case that he exists.
And then of course there's always the risk of believing in the wrong God. How was I to know that it was really Ururululuruluru I was supposed to have faith in? Ururululuruluru would have forgiven me for not believing in ANY God at all, but then I went and believed in somebody else.
And now I'm stuck in hell.
@@jibrankhalil4837 Can you elaborate on that, please? I can't seem to fully understand Pascal's wager
@@Ahmad-qd7ix It means that belief in not something you do intentionally. For example, I can not decide that today at 8:34 PM I would start believing the global warming is real but I can decide that by 11:30 PM today I should go to bed.
That's why god punishing somebody for lack of belief is so laughable because yesterday evening I tried to become convinced of his existence but I could not convince myself and now I am doomed to hell if I die this moment. See how funny that statement is.
Man I have been subscribed to all the science channel out there that are worth subscribing to. But your videos on the same topics are almost always better. And that's not an easy thing to achieve. I think it's because of the way you write your scripts. They are lose enough to incorporate humor and introspection and thus keeps one interested but tight enough to touch on all the important facts. Keep up the good work.
I worked with a guy whose father was a cryonics pioneer, (not mentioning his name for his privacy), his dad is now in a state of cryonics, well...at least his head is. The stories he told me over the years I worked with him were quite simply bananas. I told him he needed to write a book about the things he saw.
I love how he drops an existential crisis before even talking about the main thing
If I woke up from cryo-sleep a 1,000 years from now, I'd become a historian. In the year 3018 historians are finally considered cool, right?
In 100 years you won't need historians. (AI and all...)
As a hobby.. sure. ; P
Great 👍🏻 idea💡 !
I'm with you on this one. I mean for sure we know the history of our time well, we can teach them future kids all about our way of life that no Internet or books can describe. we'll have unique experiences
That kind of depends on how well the internet of today is preserved
Everyone turns up for a job interview:
Interviewer: "What job do you want?"
Person 1: "Historian"
Everyone else: "Shit, that was my idea"
Not sure if this was brought up previously on here, but the book "We are legion, we are Bob" by Dennis E. Taylor (available on audible) is exactly about this subject; though, when Bob awakens from his cryogenic sleep, he finds himself not in his own body, but instead in a Von Neumann probe. It's a superlative 3 book hard sci-fi series that I can't recommend highly enough.
Fantastic channel, I stumbled upon it a few days ago and I'm hooked!
Yeah I’d go for it. No matter what future I wake up to it’s gotta be better than being dead. I always wanted to see what the future brings in hundred, thousand, million years.
No job, skills, friends, or place to live will be trivial problems compared to being dead.
what if they just put your brain in a vat and torture it for their amusement? maybe they use you as npc in a futuristic role playing game and you die everytime forever and ever.
How do you figure that it's "gotta be better than being dead"?
It might be a dystopian nightmare.....a literal Hell on Earth.
How is that "better" than being dead?
astrol4b Well, that’ll be interesting too 😳
But to do that they’ll need to connect my head to a serious support system. I think AI would be a lot cheaper to make.
that far in the future assuming all goes well jobs will be a thing of the past. ai will do everything we are almost there as it is.
Matthew Lewis ...including resurrecting me 😉
He's not dead! He's only MOSTLY dead
"...you might as well believe in god, because the benefits of believing in god far outways the downsides..."
Which god, what benefits and what downsides ?
Most gods people believe in are not very "amused" of people worshiping other gods.
...so which god ?
If there is a god and i can't go to paradise despite having lived a good life being good to other people animals and the planet, just because i didn't believe in a childish narcissist supernatural sadist... then the paradise is not a place i want to be anyway.
If there is a god and he is good, then he will let me go to paradise despite not having believed in him.
...so what benefits ?
I am feeling very comfortable knowing that there is nothing after i died. That's nothing bad or sad, and it drives me to enjoy every second of the time i am alive even more.
...so what downsides ?
Jean-Michel Ruiz totally agree
Pascal's wager is one of philosophies most flawed schools of thought. It leads people nowhere in knowledge while causing them to cling to ideas that could be absolutely wrong and it's done out of fear.
Pascal's wager can also work the other way too. Maybe god doesn't want people to believe in him, maybe he want's us to follow the evidence and believe in something only until its evidently justified and this wisdom is what will be rewarded after death. When we live by suspending belief until its sufficiently justified by evidence we die in honesty. So it's better to wager on the evidence in no gods as to not believe in the wrong god or have unjustified belief and stay honest.
Pascal's wager is so flimsy it can work any way for any god, but I guess Pascal was so fixated on his own religious views that through his strong bias he completely missed all the problems with his argument. All it poses is unjustified belief in the unfalsifiable and plays with our fear of the unknown. It's basically a fear driven conversion tool.
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." - Marcus Aurelius
Well put
Well said
Pascal's wager is a false dichotomy.
It's not just believing in gods or not. You must also believe in the "correct" God of the thousands.
So even if you picked one, the probability of hitting the jackpot is still about 1 in 4201. And the probability of landing in a hell, is as much as the number of religions with hell concepts.
So picking a god/afterlife, makes not too much difference than not picking at all.
I choose to believe in the Norse Gods and die in glorious battle so I can gain entry into Valhalla.
What if no culture has picked the correct god?
Plus can you just choose to believe?. It either makes sense to you or seems like something no one could possibly know. I guess you can try and talk yourself into it. But can you really?.
Plus, believing in a god is nowhere free.
Most religions demand contributions, be it straight up material, or mental space, or ritual time. Even if you don't care, it can still crowd out better things in life.
Pascal's wager has an ugly offspring, Pascal's mugging: I am a god, give me money or I submit you to eternal absolute torture. The cost of refusing far outweighs the cost of complying, no matter how small the chances I speak truth.
Plus its impossible to decide what you believe. You either believe or you dont, you cant make yourself believe.
Can I be freezed for the next thousand years please. By that time with the interest on my bank account I maybe able to buy a second hand Model 3.
I think if you play your cards right (and get very lucky) you could have a lot of money in the future.
Do you think so, good I'm off to empty the freezer and shoot myself, just have to remember not the head.
I'd put all my money into SpaceX stocks and put having my body transported to whatever planet we colonize next.
All that depends on inflation. What if America turns into a banana republic and starts printing money like crazy. You wake up with 10 million in the bank only to find out that a future pair of shoes costs 3 million dollars! lol
by that time, hopefully money doesn't exist anymore.
as a male Nurse i can tell you that i more often than not i Encounter People who welcome death in their last month(s)/year(s) or day(s). not because of pain or suffering, not because of social Isolation, but because they are "done", or even simply tired of life. the lust for eternal life hails more from People who are in a very comforting Position to begin with. most of our species aren't and never will be in the same Position unless we go full on star trek (replicators, etc.) and everyone got a paradise-esque life. life even in countries with retirement plans, etc. can be horrific for everyone but the upper class once you hit "old age" and tbh. i don't see this changing ever.
I am going to be a history teacher. Or a delivery guy.
Delivery guy as a job may not last a decade - I doubt that it will be an option available to cevived crionics.
@@stone-hand So there's this really popular sci-fi show about a guy who accidentally gets frozen and wakes up a thousand years later. He goes on to be a delivery guy, same as his current era job.
@@goddessartemis85 - Wait, Futurama? My bad, I missed the reference, as I never watched the show more than a couple of minutes (nor the Simpsons, to be honest - I am more into '80s anime, being the stuff I loved as a kid).
@@dabotz_draws I don't see a bad here. I was just teasing Cristiano.
I do recommend that you check out Futurama. Tons of internet jokes depend on familiarity with it. And it has some of the best writing I've seen in any show. There's also a lot of great math humor sprinkled throughout it.
This was so respectful. Most people when talking about cryonics always make jokes and forget that there is a scientific side in all of this. I loved your video. Congratulations!
“Cryonics is kinda like a time ambulance”
So a ‘tambulance’?
Timbulance
Normal ambulance is a space ambulance
So a "sambulance" ?
Heehee
Nice
Tim tams
I’m just going to have them drop me in a giant vat of sap. This way when some aliens find me a million years from now I’ll be trapped in amber and will be put in an alien museum!
This comment made me wheeze.😂
Or made into a nice piece of alien jewelry.
@@PumpyC/videos UFO hood ornament?
Woul't work your body would still turn into some fossil thats why Jurasic Park doesnt actually work
@@dehoops973 Would still be pretty boss though XD
Even if I don't have this done, I am glad that someone is experimenting and learning. At some point we will need this for long space flight.
Personally, I'm hoping that the cures for aging-related illness and deterioration are solved within my own lifetime and become inexpensive enough that I can take advantage of them - whether that's a course of medicines, nanobots, physically transplanting my brain into a replacement body (organic or robotic) or some other mechanism not yet dreamt-off.
This would avoid the problem of suddenly waking up in a society of which I know nothing and of which I'm not a part. Living through the intervening years would cause me to change and learn along with the rest of the world, there would be no "catch-up period".
Thanks joe I really needed an excuse to stay in bed for another 20mins. You nailed it.
Go back to sleeeeeep.....
Your quote "Dying is an act of faith, it's a surrender to the mystery, no matter what you believe in regarding the afterlife even if you believe nothing happens at all.... You're still betting that you're right." really struck me.
Also I tried understanding Pascal's wager, but I just can't seem to wrap my my head around it
Even if you woke up after 500 years from you'd still find Joe doing those sweet ad transitions.
What's interesting is that this concept, if realised, may be the only feasable form of "time traveling" into the future. With no way back to your timeline, of course.
It would be interesting, and certainly feasible with current technology, to experiment with lab mice to cryonise them while they are alive, only to "wake them up" some time later.
Joe Scott is on a different level of Woke
Ultrawoke.
@@joescott *W O K E*
The Wokest Joe, unlike the average Joe, amirite?
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I’m really glad you came up on my recommendation. Great stuff, and thank you for sharing.
"I wanna get frosty!" Total Jim Carrey channel moment!
I love the Star Trek episode where they revive a bunch of people from the 21st Century. It quite amusing especially the Texan oil guy.
"Now, you listen to me, Picard..."
The premise that there is a purpose to life is only fooling ourselves. Life is. Anyone who puts a purpose on life as a whole is just giving it a human perspective. Sure, we can give our human lives meaning, but it means a speck of nothing in the whole perspective. Paradoxically perhaps, I find thinking this way quite freeing. Anything on top, like God, or 'we are here for a reason' thinking, is a comfort mechanism.
The extension of human life is a reasonable thing, as we try to gain further control over the natural life cycle of the human body. In terms of that it's probably a nice thing to be able to live until you no longer want to. That is, you lose curiosity in everything and everyone, and get terminally bored. Then it's probably time to go. Hopefully, everyone could live to that stage before they get to decide to go.
It's the young people who don't get the chance to feel any of the beauty in life, before they are taken away by an accident or disease, are the ones I really feel sorry for. They are either just becoming incredibly aware of what's out there and are eager to take it all in, or they are destroyed by the environment that they are growing up in and desperately need the beauty in life to pull them from the abyss. But then they die. Either way, that's awful.
Oops. Drifted off into random there. Good video, as always. Thought provoking, which is good.
I completely agree with you buddy.
"The premise that there is a purpose to life is only fooling ourselves."
...why?...
"Anyone who puts a purpose on life as a whole is just giving it a human perspective."
....giving life a "no purpose" verdict is also giving it a human perspective...
Sure, we can give our human lives meaning, but it means a speck of nothing in the whole perspective. "
..."meaning" vs "purpose" define the difference...and it's STILL human perspective...
" Anything on top, like God, or 'we are here for a reason' thinking, is a comfort mechanism."
..again WHY???...why should be the idea of "God" be a comfort mechanism? It could just as well be discomforting...
"It's the young people who don't get the chance to feel any of the beauty in life, before they are taken away by an accident or disease, are the ones I really feel sorry for."
...again... that's human perspective ... welcome to purpose/meaning ...with or without "God" ...
"They are either just becoming incredibly aware of what's out there and are eager to take it all in, or they are destroyed by the environment that they are growing up in and desperately need the beauty in life to pull them from the abyss. But then they die. Either way, that's awful."
...yes we agree...WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN..but it shouldn't make a difference one way or another (awful or not, suffering or not) without purpose should it??...
"Oops. Drifted off into random there."
NO YOU DIDN'T!!!...at all...
You just revealed where you TRULY are...after all the rhetoric...part of the purpose of life is BEING SYMPATHETIC AND CARING FOR OTHER SENTIENT BEINGS...be they human or not....even if there isn't a "God"...and that's just PART of our "human perceived perspective"...
Consider that as humans human perception and hence perspective is virtually impossible ...
The purpose of life is for life to go on, every living thing try to survive and reproduce, and that's all the proof we ever had, the purpose of life is for life to go on, and that's all apparently.
I don't understand what you are trying to argue here, that human perspective is special ? I mean I believe there is a correlation between existence and the universe but that's all, maybe every living thing on this planet is somewhat conscious, "exists" if you may, maybe we just got lucky but hey if the universe is almost infinite, and in constant progression then maybe we are not that special ,and consider multiverse too, if there are other universes then we literally represent nothing.
Your life matters in the sense that you only get once chance, and it's this one, you were lucky to be who you are, you were lucky not to be a snake, a rabbit, or something easy to kill or whatever, and since your life is everything and when you die there is nothing, then yes it is important for you to enjoy this life and try to live as long as you can cause, you know you were pretty lucky.
Of course we feel sad when we see someone die it's empathy, which is an evolutionnary advantage, the "human perspective" as you say is just the human nature, empathy and the will to live. Some psychopaths don't have empathy, some people have very low empathy so what is their purpose in life ?
i'm not sure what you are trying to argue here, that life has purpose or meaning ?
Well you give your life meaning, but technically I don't believe in free will, not because of destiny or anything but because I think your genes and your environnement makes up who you are, and everything that happens and every choice that you make is up to randomness of the present, and the randomness that made you who you are.
That was a good read, Chief. I can try to speak for every African American child, teen, or young adult. That is where we are now, threatened by our environment, each other, and others. That just want us dead. We desperately need that hand to pull us out of the abyss, desperately. That is why almost every African American person belongs to one religion or another, because it's the only hand that is their for us. To help pull us away from that deep dark abyss.
_"The purpose of life is for life to go on, every living thing try to survive and reproduce, and that's all the proof we ever had, the purpose of life is for life to go on, and that's all apparently."_
..all that sure sounds like "no purpose " to me...
_"I don't understand what you are trying to argue here, that human perspective is special ?"_
..no...that's it's UNAVOIDABLE...that's why you're here giving us YOURS...unless i'm mistaken...
_" I mean I believe there is a correlation between existence and the universe but that's all,"_
..do you know of someone who may not believe that??....From the view of Cosmology...there's no room or concern with purpose, that's a totally different realm..
_" maybe we just got lucky but hey if the universe is almost infinite, and in constant progression then maybe we are not that special ,and consider multiverse too, if there are other universes then we literally represent nothing."_
..and this is NOT human perspective???......
_"Your life matters in the sense that you only get once chance, and it's this one"_
...one wonders how *you got to personally realize this* ...i categorically DON'T KNOW one way or the other and given my self acknowledged ignorance, i'd rather *not make assertions.* We're different people...apparently....
_" you were lucky to be who you are, you were lucky not to be a snake, a rabbit, or something easy to kill or whatever, and since your life is everything and when you die there is nothing, then yes it is important for you to enjoy this life and try to live as long as you can cause, you know you were pretty lucky."_
...i won't even begin to try explaining why all the above is just vacant hot aired ranting...the task is simply way TOO MUCH....hopefully you can work it out yourself one day coming soon.....hopefully...
_"Of course we feel sad when we see someone die it's empathy, which is an evolutionnary advantage, the "human perspective" as you say is just the human nature"_
...OK..so there's no purpose ....BUT THERE IS "NATURE"?????....doesn't "nature" point to *a blueprint* of behaviour and propensities???? ...doesn't your blueprint become your "preordained purpose"???...are you THINKING?????....
_"i'm not sure what you are trying to argue here, that life has purpose or meaning ?"_
...yes I'M SAYING EXACTLY THAT....i never gave the reason(s) why i FEEL that way, or why IN MY OPINION it's true....
_"Well you give your life meaning, but technically I don't believe in free will"_
...but you still accept HUMAN NATURE???.....are you saying that our "nature" (speaking contrarily) is having no free will???...how do YOU reconcile THAT???...
_" I think your genes and your environnement makes up who you are, and everything that happens and every choice that you make is up to randomness of the present, and the randomness that made you who you are."_
..notice your quote begins with I THINK...
...that's *your* human perspective on reality...
...it's *your* opinion...
...and you're *very welcome to it* ....
..as i am to mine....
*:-)*
Bro imagine some dude chilling in the afterlife having a great time and then they unfreeze his body and he gets sucked back down to earth 😂
Job Desired - Teaching History with a specialization in late 20th and early 21st century
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I'm German, so naturally cynical, and I read Transmetropolitan at too formative an age to have any sort of interest in cryonically preserving any part of myself.
(context for those who haven't read Transmet: Cryonically frozen people are revived in that universe, per contract, but the world has changed so significantly near everybody revived that way has essentially a mental breakdown moments after experiencing the world and spends the rest of their second life in a vegetative state, housed in shelters during the night, kicked out during the day and huddling at street corners while ignored by everyone. Basically how the unhoused mentally ill are treated today, just surrounded by "technological marvels")
Love ya joe! Happy Monday everyone.
Right back at ya Zachary! ❤️
Happy whole week!
I'm always equally astonished at the fact no one seems to really get that there's no such thing as an "ego" or a "soul". There's no such thing as a special arrangement of atoms that makes you different. You and I and everyone else. Just start by imagining what it would be like to have your own memories or information replaced by someone else's. Just imagine. Please. Get. It.
There is an ego, and a superego and an id, they are the three parts of the human psyche.
Do a video on quantum teleportation! Yes, it is possible and scientists do it with small things.
You mean with quantum particles?
I have a relative who is in the process of dying of complications from cancer. He's in his late 70s and, due to prior health problems, he's been very close to death before but has survived to live on many more years. He is so close to and keyed into his family that, though he would certainly want to continue to be with them, I can't imagine him ever wanting a future that didn't have his beloved wife, children, grandchildren or step-grandchildren in it. The possible future promised by cryonics seems intolerably lonely to me. One would wake up among strangers only to find oneself to be an anachronism.
You crack me up. Afterlife insurance ... genius !
Quantum teleportation is never a suicide. Depending on what you call "you" there's only two options:
either you survive as a continuous process tied to a fundamentally unique set of quantum information,
or you never really lived in the first place, being just a series of snapshots each with their own illusion of self.
add to the fact that every cell in your body is replaced several times over the span of your life, its even less of an issue. Especially if they can scan for and remove cancer and unwanted microbes just prior to reconstruction.
So if you died and froze yourself, would you lose all your worldly possessions? I assume the Children and family will inherit one's stuff, most likely they won't want to give it back or have spent one's fortune. Also Why would generations removed want some old guy to wake up and demand their homes or land if it was once theirs?
You're the best science RUclipsr on RUclips. Hands down. I consider myself fortunate that I found your channel.
Cryonics in Arizona, huh? I know, where to spend my next summer. Or... May be next 100 summers.
(P. S. Sorry. This had to be done)
I don’t know if I’d want to be ‘preserved’ and wake up 500 years from now or however long it would be until I could be woken up because everyone I know would be long dead and the world would likely be nothing like it was when I died.
But I’m not going to lie and say I’m not interested-because it’s so damn cool!!
"Dying is an act of faith." Wow. How beautifully put, Joe.
Well if you wake up 500 years for now you’d probably be a celebrity, just think how valuable you’d be to historians we have books, and physical objects from 500 years in the past but they have there limits to how much we can learn from them but a person from the time would be able to provide a ton of information but the only problem I have is there is no way to preserve the memories, memories are electrical signals in your brain and when they stop they don’t come back so if you do wake up you’d be a vegetable
This topic feels like a good idea for a low-budget comedy-horror movie. Dracula's Vitrified Zombies!
The Transmetropolitan comic series dealt with this issue, people being revived typically coming out with major psychological disorders not being able to comprehend the future they woke up in and discovering that the future really didn't care about them, dubbing them 'Sleepers' shoving them into shelters and forgetting about them.
I love Transmet, and found that story morbidly amusing, but I don't think it's accurate at all. The kind of people who sign up for cryonics are people who see life as an adventure and are hungry to learn about the future. People migrate to radically different countries where they don't speak the language yet still thrive all the time. This won't be much different. Cryonicists are also a pretty close-knit group. If nothing else, the shared experience is likely to create a strong internal support network.
Just seeing world in future would be enough for me no matter its good or bad
Between a 0% chance of revival and a 1% chance of revival, it seems like the 2nd option would be the most rational. Cryonics might be a long shot, but it is the only shot available right now for those who want to live forever.
Basically, it's either cryonics, or a 0% chance at life.
Question for Joe: Are you signed up yourself? You seem to be quite convinced by the logic of cryonics..
waitbutwhy.com/2016/03/cryonics.html
Good case for cryonics. Long read but quite worth it.
"Cryonics is the process of pausing people in critical condition who can’t accept the concept of death, in the hopes that people from the future will be able to save them."
Only freeze the good parts I have left when I die. Then build a cyborg with those parts. I’d be happy.
I hesitate to ask what you consider to be the "good parts".
So just freeze your big hands, right?
Possible answer to the teleportation problem, would love to get thoughts:
Idk if someone’s already named this but If not I’d call it the transition solution. What if just like how our cells slowly replace each other and carry on the same process to maintain our consciousness, we slowly applied this to transitioning over time to computer consiousness. Each day a little more computer takes over for a few more nerve cells. You go a long period of time where your consciousness is shared by neurons and computer code until finally, a year or years later you’re fully code
So are they contractually obligated to revive and repair you? Who’s to say that they would bring you back if they could? And who would pay for the operation? It would surely be a very expensive task to reanimate a person. Maybe they would just leave you on ice or just dispose you after so many years?
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Same thing I am thinking. I mean who is there to ensure or even care if you are ever "brought back"? In 1000 years or even after 100 years, what purpose would you be able to serve to the current civilization of that time? Also, whose to say that "they" did for some reason need us people from the past. Why would they not be very selective about the process and only bring back the people that could serve whatever purpose that they chose (i.e. genetics).
I just doubt that I would ever be able to serve a purpose or contribute in any way at a future point of time that a first grader of that time would not be able to, and to even greater capacity than myself. Although, I would love to see what the future is like by any means possible! Sign me up!
The people involved are betting on a BETTER world the implication is that6 the kind of world that would bother defrosting you would be a world with at least free health care, not too much that a person from the 2010s can offer to pay for, or even do to work off the value of a new life.
Seriously? You thought scientists are not passionate enough to have readily available bodies to try cryonics if ever? Anyway, the donor knows there's no guarantee. That's why they are donors because they donate for science and research in the future. What they pay for is the process of preserving their body for the as long as possible.
Yer dead... who cares? If you don't get brought back welll... you lived your life... and you lived it slightly poorer than you would have otherwise but what is money to happiness anyway?
Great overview! You hit all of the basics. More detailed technical info is out there for anyone who's interested, but it tends to make most people's eyes glaze over.
I only have one tiny issue with this vid. The idea of "last in, first out" isn't a "strict policy". It's just a general expectation based on the fact that the cryopreservation process is being continually tweaked and improved.
Nah I'm cool. Living one lifetime is enough stress. I'm not doing all that twice.
Me either.
I co-authored a book with Robert Nelson, the man who kicked cryonics off by freezing James Bedford, called Freezing People is Not Easy. This is perhaps the best, fairest description of the field of cryonics.
I just have one question. Why would the people in the future revive anyone? What is the value in investing a lot of resources and time into brining back someone who has outdated education, worldview, mindset? What would World gain from having whole lot of old dudes who are bringing the past?
One of the philosophers once said. You do not chose time. You live in it and you die in it. And I do not see any logical reasons why anyone (except maybe an outstanding scientists, poets, writers, - other great men) would be revived.
I do not think any society that is short of resources would bother, so the chances are you would be revived either for your skills or knowledge (Perhaps you have an aptitude for something or the researchers of the time find you interesting?) or the society itself is wealthy enough to do it basically for 'shits and giggles'.
@@ptonpc If we acquire a sufficiently advanced technology for this feat we would most likely not be short on resources.
Well, if we could defrost a Viking stuck in a glacier, we would.
I think it would be possible to revive and heal someone from their long sleep, but first, even if possible, will they ever actually do it? Second, will you ever become conscious again? As consciousness doesn't necessarily need to be coupled to your body and brain being alive and active. I think if it is possible to revive someone from "cryonics sleep" he/she will be in a coma of some sorts.
Does the Cryo-life insurance also cover the cost of waking you up? or is the $200.000 just to be frozen? Otherwise what would be the motivation for the future guy's for spending what is most probably an exorbitant amount of money to get you thawed out and up and running again?
Jurjen Kerkman you'd hold information about your times culture, a spectacle of modern science etc.
@Jurjen Kerkman In last 2 centuries (at least from Bismark times) there's a global proces towards public healthcare systems. While the US is a semi-hold out (semi = US gov already spends more on healthcare as percentage of GDP than quite many countries with universal coverage), if we're talking about centuries, then anyway it would end up with all population covered. Nevertheless, someone being frozen with all his relatives dead is neither an emergency nor loud pressure group. Thus defrosting would start with an extra few decades delay, as it would be a subject to politically expedient budget cuts.
To directly answer your question, in the case of Alcor, yes. The money left over from the cost of cryosuspension goes into the "Patient Care Trust". The interest it accrues more than covers the cost of upkeep (topping off the liquid nitrogen is very cheap), and when the tech required to revive patients is finally developed (and can be afforded), the principle will be used to pay for that process. Alcor is contractually obligated to do so, and either way eventually it becomes cheaper to revive patients than to keep them in suspension.
Thank for the explanation, appreciated.
@excited box The short answer is that to revive someone from cryosuspension will *probably* require nanotechnology that can do repair at the cellular level. At that point, repairing whatever infirmities (disease, injury, aging) you had while also repairing any cellular damage from the suspension process will be trivial. Nobody is going to "come out of the tank" feeble or diseased.
Put another way, we'll cure aging and disease before we have the ability to revive cryonics patients.
"This is heavy..." - Marty McFly. Think of all of the different applications for this... I mean, if everything works it literally means that time travel to the future IS possible. It also means that once technology was perfected, long distance space travel would also be possible. This is similar to the idea of stasis in many sci-fi movies... or at least relatively. Great video Joe!!
Really Your videos are always of my interest :) hats off broh
Thanks man!
I appreciate I am late to the party on this but a couple of follow ups I’d appreciate someone to chime in on. 1. What is the difference in vitrification of the body vs brain? Is it possible that by focussing on one organ the success rate may be higher?
2. I have thought a lot about the teleportation problem and how if you make a copy of the brain it is no longer you. I may have a way around it. The brain works via electrical signals. Suppose we can replace portion of those with our computerised alternative and have them wired up to interface with our existing brain, you’d still be you. Now let’s keep going, at what point would you lose control over your own memories thoughts and feelings. Is it when the final Neuron is replaced? Or does it never happen?
I have a deep freezer and am just gonna crawl into it when I get really sick.
lol Thomas.
Don't forget to drink antifreeze beforehand
I'm currently in the process of signing up. Two notes: 1) there IS a yearly membership fee for Alcor. Currently ~$550/yr, or there's student/family discounts. (I don't remember for CI. CI is kindof like the "budget" option, fyi.) Also, be aware that the life insurance thing gets more complicated depending on which years of your life you're trying to insure. 2) At the end, Joe kindof obliquely suggested that cryonics is opposed to belief in God - this need not be true.
Vannila sky!,Comes,to,mind,great,film
a remake of Abre Los Ojos also a great film.
That quarantine part gave me chills
I don't really care about death at all.
I get this funny picture of people finding this cryonics warehouse in 500years, laughing at the absurdity of the concept (much like we laugh at medieval medicine) and switching it all off.
I was thinking the same thing. or like how we couldn't even take mummies serious bc all they did was rap them in bandages. but to them that was advanced. but honestly I would still take the chance
the thing that blows my mind is technology has become so much more advanced in the past 100 years, hell even the past 50. I cant imagine what it would be like in 500 from now
"Life Insurance" (insurance for death) is almost as misleading as "Heat Death of the Universe" (a very cold way for the universe to end). Almost. Not quite, but almost.
Heat Death is the death of all heat, a.k.a. usable energy
This is a fascinating subject, and one that I've been following since the late 70's when I first heard of the Cryonics Institute. You pose a lot of the same questions that I've thought about, and back then I remember that the majority of opinions were that it might take from several hundred to perhaps a thousand years before technology would be able to revive human "cryonauts".
But today, with the speed that science and medicine are advancing, especially that of AI and nanotech, I'm feeling much more confident that we'll be able to crack the most difficult challenge of the "big thaw" within 50 to 100 years at most. As you stated, the fact that embryos can be frozen/vitrified and later be brought back to life is proof that it is actually possible, of course the main obstacle being the size and complexity of a full grown human body.
As yet it's hard to imagine how to thaw a person's body quickly and evenly in order to avoid cellular death and, more importantly, ischemic damage to the brain, but imo the answer will likely be found through the development of intelligent nanobots to repair damaged cells in conjunction with some novel cryogenic fluid which has to capacity to carry oxygen and nutrients in a liquid state at low enough temps to prevent the damage that current types of anti-freeze unfortunately cause.
Beyond the medical/science/tech challenges, I also think the most interesting questions are how former people-cicles will adapt to being brought back, and foremost being how will they find a place, especially a productive one, in society, which will also depend upon financial resources available to them. Perhaps these institutes will eventually offer personal investment strategies through trusts set up for you, but run by independent financial institutes (wouldn't want to create an incentive for these cryonics companies to keep you frozen longer or even forever, lol).
And sadly, these days I'm much less confident that the world will be a better place within that time frame than I was a few decades ago - looking at how power and wealth is increasingly controlled by corporations and the 1% at the top, coupled with the damage global climate change will have wreaked by then, it's looking more likely that we'll be living in some type of dystopian society. So while I have thought for many years that I would be willing to give cryonics a try at the end of my life, nowadays I'm not so certain, smh.
Your consciousness and memories depend on active synaptic potentials. Maybe I'm behind on the chemistry, but I'd be willing to bet there's no way to freeze someone post-mortem and preserve the arrangement of synapsis. Any technology magical enough to recreate you from a corpsicle could do the same thing if you just left your brain in a shelf pickled in formaldehyde.
It all depends on how much unhappiness an individual can withstand- eventually people are ready to let go when their reality has become
intolerable. In my observation of the dying process, only the very old,suffering from extreme discomfort, choose to stop eating and drinking.
When you were born, you came through a door not knowing your future. When you die, another door is passed through not knowing your
future.
Did you read the Bobiverse books? Frozen with binary perspective ;)
In his book, The Singularity is Near, Kurzweil makes a good point about the copy/teleportation problem: if you replace the brain neuron by neuron, with the person awake, like in brain cirurgies, then it looks like the consciousness will be transferred from the old fleshy to the new tech brain
13:30 Hah, my dogs went to a retirement farm in the country :p
My biggest Problem with that: every Person i know will be Dead when i maybe will be rewife. I dont know, if i want to live in a World like this...
well you can pay for you and more people, that way you can have someone with you there
"Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do."
Miracle Max, The Princess Bride
I know its outside the topic of this video, but I want to point out that Pascal's wager is a flawed argument. One cannot force themselves to believe in a god. Our belief is a consequence of what we perceive to be true. We can't believe in things we think are wrong, as hard as you may try you cannot accomplish this.
If you pretend to believe then wouldn't any god would see through that.
Pascal's wager also hinges on the judeo Christian assumption that a god would care about our unfalsifiable beliefs or the assumption that belief in god = access to an afterlife.
So what Pascal's wager is really posing is not that we might as well believe in a god. Instead it poses that we must assume that the god we need to believe in cares about our unfalsifiable beliefs and we are safer to believe in that sorta god. Plus since this god cares about our unfalsifiable beliefs, we must also assume the right god. Because Pascal's wager can apply to any god. I guess Pascal was so fixated on his own religion he never considered that this argument applies to all gods and not just his.
Of course this unleashes a myriad philosophical problems and why belief in the unfalisfiable can never be justified.
Pascal's wager can also work the other way too. Maybe god doesn't want people to believe in him, maybe he want's us to follow the evidence and believe in something only until its evidently justified and that wisdom is what will be rewarded.
This Pascal's wager is so flimsy it can work any way, but all it poses is unjustified belief in the unfalsifiable and plays with our fear of the unknown. It's basically a fear driven conversion tool.
Has ever anybody pointed that the background Music is loud ! loud a lot.
Yeah, I skipped out the talk once the music started - again. A couple more like this and I'll unsubscribe - it's just annoying.
yeah, I enjoy the talk but the music is just annoying.
Why not, you makes a good point.
I am going to sign up for this, i mean what do you have to lose if you are already dead?
But, when someone imagine "living indefinitely" does he keeps in consideration that he will have to work indefinitely too, and pay tax for the eternity and .... is waking up at 7 am for the eternity really such a big desire ?
Enjoyed the video. Very informative. You did a lot of research on this subject. The end of life is a mystery for the ages. However, there is one question that actually teases out what is likely to happen. And that question is simply: Where were you before you were born? This is a powerful question. If a person believes they were "nowhere" before birth, then does suggest what is in store for their destination after death? Ask yourself this question. Ask others. You may be surprised by the answers. You may be surprised how inconsistent people can be with respect to where they think they were before they were born (e.g., nowhere) and where they expect to be after death (e.g., heaven or someplace really nice.) Most people have never considered the question, and that is why it is so interesting to ask. It's a philosophical tease - and illuminates how humans have created fanciful notions about life and death.
Need a future job? How about history teacher? Lol
Knowledge will be shot into brains by freakin' laser beams. No need for teachers.
@@wradale7 Ok well then you can be in a museum/public speaker. People im sure would love to ACTUALLY see a person from the time rather then just learn about that time.
@@wradale7 They would need someone who lived during that time to accurately put things into context or perhaps explain certain things.
Also, bits of history that are vague and fragmented factoids to us where once rich and complex to past civilizations. So maybe my useless knowledge of Greek and Nordic mythology would be a lost art in... Whatever century cryonics aims towards?
One of the best tng episodes for sure
So *Life* is basically a giant *GTA Simulation*
#LEAVEMEALONE
DrShan #hopingirl :3
Aye Aye it's CJ chill chill!!
There are some that believe that...
58 UK male here .. I agree largely with Joe and have whole life insurance in place costing me $300 per month SO my money is where my mouth is .. my only disagreements are
1. I have not yet assigned the insurance once I do you CAN NOT change your mind in other words once you sign up you cant switch (the insurance no longer legally yours) if a different and better technique comes up in 10 years, and you change your mind and want switch you would need a completely new insurance policy.
2. Personal research ... mainly speaking to board members on the brain preservation prize makes me believe that at this moment in time the cryonics freezing techniques used are not good enough, I work as a professional psychologist so I have a grasp of the need for a very high level of preservation BUT it seems not there yet
Conclusion .. get the insurance .. whole life dont yet assign it and TRY to stay alive if you can maybe another 10? 20? years or so THEN the preservation will probably be good, once thats a go its worth .. in my opinion the chance.
I always dreamed of flying cars until I experienced actual driving amongst other drivers. Flying cars would not be a good idea.😂
"Dying is an act of faith, it's a surrender to the mystery no matter what you believe in regarding the afterlife, even if you believe nothing happens at all... you're still betting that you're right"
Easy, be a history teacher 😂
I think the way to solve the teleportation problem applied to extracting someones conscious from their brain is to first integrate the brain with an artificial system and then slowly replace it piece by piece without breaking the continuity of the experience of self. Basically fixing one paradox with another. Since our body has no problem replacing the matter that makes it and especially the brain without running into the teleportation problem so I think we'd have to imitate that process.