Imagine the ramming speed on that thing with 5 nacelles and the explodium factor given its basically 2 Oberths strapped to a rocket. Devastating weapon
@@TheMule47 That's EXACTLY what it is! The image is from an poster showing the TOS Enterprise being refit in the Motion Picture refit version, and that is one of the new nacelles being towed into place by a tiny tug that resembles a mini Oberth.
Yes! It’s one of the few models I have, it’s so simple and lovely. But I have an Excelsior model too, the lines are just so clean. But I love how the Centaur highlights the saucer.
@@timothypage252 Yes, but there's an elegance to the Centaur that other ships don't have. It's so stripped-down that it almost looks like Star Trek by Syd Mead.
Actually putting the shuttle bay in front of the saucer section to me is very smart I never liked the idea of approaching the impulse engines output to land a shuttle.
God I always loved the idea of the Frankenstein fleet. Always had a feeling of a gritting commander welcoming new crew with a speech somewhere along the line of "This ship already gave her life for the Federation. You serve here, you better be ready to do the same."
Oh yeah, that sounded sweet, would love to see that modeled out (on screen as well as printed...🤔 Great, now I have to go learn how to use a free 3d modelling program and buy a 3d printer. 😣
@@deusexaethera Some were apparently, but in secondary roles where Starfleet went "ehh, good enough". Remember they were still using some Miranda's and a lot of Excelsiors by the time the Dominion War started. If the job is just logistics support you don't need a state of the art ship, and some of the Frankenstein's (mostly based on Excelsior parts) had a lot of cargo space as they were turned into carriers and support for the more modern Frontline ships.
“So why does your resume include ‘served on a Yeager-class’ among your top credentials?” “Sir, you can’t imagine the amount of techno-wizardry you have to pull in order to keep one of those buckets-o-bolts from flying apart while cruising at Warp 8. I managed to keep mine solid enough that it only entered drydock for a refit after years of uninterrupted service.” “Well color me impressed! You sound like the perfect kind of guy to work on our prototype starships!”
Okay, does anyone else think the Contemplation design seems legitimately cool? Also, I want to meet the madlad who put the shuttle bay in front of the bridge on the Centaur. Hey, no “Raging Queen” type? The squashed Excelsior.
@@michaelgreenwood3413 The Curry was, but the Raging Queen was slightly different, carrying Constitution nacelles and a slightly different configuration.
If you told me the Centaur type craft were just ships from the mothball fleet, just like the Miranda and Excelsior class ships we saw, I'd fully believe it. It very much looks like a Miranda for the Excelsior age, and since the Nebula Class is the same idea for the Galaxy class, it would make sense. The one thing I'd really like to have seen is an equivalent for the Ambassador class, to be the "missing link" between Centaur and Nebula.
The Centaur makes more sense as a built ship that accidentally looks like a kitbash. For one thing, the Excelsior saucer is much, much bigger in comparison to the Miranda one I’ll bar.
I always assumed the Oberth with a constitution nacelle was delivering the nacelle to the mid refit enterprise which in the art piece that the Tereshkova is from the enterprise is missing both its nacelles
Last April 1, the joke made by Thomas Marrone, chief art director for Star Trek Online, was that they were going to introduce an updated Yeager-class ship using the primary hull of a Pathfinder-class (basically an upgraded Intrepid, with some marked visual distinctions). He called it the "Pathyeager".
I like playing Star Trek Online especially coming up with new Starship Classes of kitbashing. My Ship was a Miranda mix with Shikahr The pylons was Miranda while the rest is Shikahr Class. I called this subclass the Cabrillo Class Light Cruiser and launched in the late 2360s a prewar Dominion War and a 24th Century equivalent to the Miranda.
I made Miranda centaur class looked pretty nice centaur saucer and the nells with Miranda's pylons so on i called it centauro class but think im gonna mirtauro class instead
Yeager class seems like it was simply very cost effective to make them. It seems the hard part to make of the intrepid class is the Engineering hull and nacelles. So they just had them made ahead of time before the dominion war cause they figured they would eventually all get their proper hull sections. And if you dont need to make all that extra stuff for exploration and stuff, and its for war, you can slap in an upscale condor hull, as long as you can do warp 6-7 or so you are prob good for being a picket ship or star base patrol ship.
I have so much fun doing that, especially with the Miranda. I found a couple combinations, one that turns it into a bulky Constitution, and one that gives it detached nacelles (this one involves the updated ShiKahr graphics).
One of the goofiest designs was the USS Melbourne/Nebula Class prototype. Those tiny nacelles on top of the rear mission pod reminds me of the equally tiny arms of a T-Rex
So no joke, I actually love the Jaeger-class, just the generally scrappy look of the ship with the harsh angles contrasting the rounded saucer just looks pleasing to my eyes
Iv got a ugly ship for you miranda class as saucer section (warp nacelles removed) keep the weapons roll bar intrepid class secondary hull.add additional shield generators profile a patrol ship . That and have a foul mouthed engineer who always complaining how annoying it is keeping 100 year old systems online in miranda saucer section working. While in intrepid part everything works well.
the funny thing though is that one of them is the size of a shuttle and the other a full starship so when they're combined if you see the size of say... the windows on the maquis ship underneath would be gigantic compared to the ones on the intrepid hull.
The Wolf 359 fleet from TNG, when the Enterprise comes to check how the battle went (yeah ... didn't go well), featured quite a few interesting models too. I've seen a number of really good fan kitbashes and the Centaur has some really nice angles on it. One thing I would say is I think it would look better if the nacelles were more forward.
6:38 That picture is of a Federation attack fighter, like what Cal Hudson used in DS9’s “The Maquis” and later in the Dominion War. The Frankenstein ship uses a different, larger ship like Chakotay’s ship from VOY’s “Caretaker”. It’s pretty much what Voyager would have looked like if Chakotay had rammed it instead of the Kazon carrier!
@@builder396 Not on the outside but they did manage to get 30 or so people in it somehow, and as SFDebris likes to point out, Chakotay’s medicine bundle, Tabor’s books and probably Torres’ antique furniture collection too! But yeh, it’s just silly scaling taken to the extreme.
I'm pretty sure the oberth-type is a tug-ship that helped in the connie refit program. The picture is from a ships of the line calendar image that shows the enterprise being refit. I dunno where the RPG is sourcing it's info from to imply it was a full ship rather then a parts tug. The DS9 tech manual has several of the Frankenstein fleet listed, tho due to a rush job on release there's editing and graphical errors on some of them(sizes are swapped incorrectly, Centaur is missing the torpedo pod, etc). The Centaur and Yeager are in there, as is the intrepid/ambassador-type, tho they use the Connie engineering hull and upsized runabout pylons rather then ambassador. Nearly all of the designs in the tech manual are based on actual shooting models that were built for battle scenes in DS9. I'll have to do more research to see if an Ambassador-type-version model was built, or if it's an original design to the RPG source book. Notably missing from this video are the Raging-Queen and Curry-type which were always my favorite of the ship gremlins from the dominion war. They're ugly as heck and I love them to bits.
The top of an Oberth welded to a single Constitution nacelle welded into a pair of more Oberth nacelles is RIDICULOUS and I love it. Imagine a car that's just 80% wheels.
I just imagine serving on one of these and somewhere around the mid point of the ship the interior design suddenly changing from a sleek, modern Intrepid class to the bulky yet functional Ambassador class....
The kit bashing of vessels had occurred IRL during WW II. Shipyards were attempting to get new vessels out as quickly as possible, and sometimes they merged the hauls/components of 2 or more vessel classes to get them into service.
I kinda like the odd looking ships epecialy on star trek online you sort of stand out and look unique also the odd looking ones tend to be a bit worse in stats so I try to build them up as end game ships for the fun of it.
Always liked the _Centaur._ Its both cool and a bit unusual that a Kitbash-Model got that much of a spotlight in the Episode it showed up. Perhaps the Effects people themselves recognized that they might have stumbled upon a cool design and wanted this Ship to shine for a moment.
i’d assume that the surplus of intrepid saucers was in part due to the brand new warp cores that were put in them, that program might’ve been put on hold because of the war/voyager’s incident
Yeah, they most likely had no problem making the hulls, so just made them ahead of time thinking they would eventually get the right hull. But then war came and they had all these hulls that would work just fine with any type of engine or warp system they could marry them into.
Had to laugh at the name if the first Oberth visual in your video USS Fortunate, probably called USS Unfortunate by anyone unlucky enough to be assigned to this flying coffin 😂.
My favourite Franken Fleet ship is the unseen USS Jupp - it just seems a feasible cut down constitution. Ditching the secondary hull removes the shuttle bay and the vast cargo bays (for stocking 5 year missions). This leaves a ship more suited for working within Federation space rather than exploring beyond. It could be used as border patrol craft that has the speed and fire power of a Constitution, but fewer crew. It certainly would free up the Constitutions from dealing with border disputes.
Some of these are interesting and even seem somewhat viable but ultimately these would probably be first on the list to fall in battle, I always wondered why they never Frankensteined any constitution class since they literally led Starfleet for over 20 years and some how things like the Miranda stayed around.
Adam Buckner built a kitbashed Constitution for use on DS9 with two nacelles attached directly to the neck. Think he named it USS Jupp but it never made to screen. Plus there were others like the Curry and Elkins that use Constitution/Miranda nacelles.
The one thing Starfleet has is an amazing Ingenuity Besides one of the most fun parts of STO is the Ship customization, Alto you can't mesh different class it give you enough freedom to make your own Spaceship.
What I like about the Frankenstein fleet concept is that’s it’s completely believable because it’s happened multiple times. The USA used mothball fleets and refits of multiple ships using parts from different types of ships all while also upgrading many at the start of the Korean War and again in the 1980s for Reagan’s 600 ship navy. It’s how the Missouri new jersey Iowa & Wisconsin ww2 battleships were modernized with missiles cwis and radar but it’s 16 inch & 5 inch shells and many engine components coming from other battleships and cruisers. Makes everything about the Frankenstein fleet easy to believe
When i saw this type of ship building in star trek i looked around and found an Intrepid/constitution class starship variant. its a medium cruiser with 225 crew, a power plant of one 1500 plus cochrane warp core. length of 444.39 meters and beam of 133.44. hight 87.78 meters. its mass is 1300000 metric tones. its basically the saucer of the Intrepid put on top of 2 constitution hulls. just wish i could find more info on it.
From the Deep Space Nine Technical Manual, yes, @Craig Stafford , although the size figures are fairly inaccurate. It should only be slightly longer than Voyager, so around 360 or so metres. Most of the other stats should be fairly close, though. For older designs like the 'Constitution variant' (real length around 235 meters) I'd take those with more of a pinch of salt - especially top speed.
I've always kinda liked the Yeager class.......I also love the klingon bird of Prey and the Yeager always looked like a star Fleet redesign of a bird of prey
My own fanmade ship class is a kind of kitbash made for the dominion war, using lessons learned (And components from) the Sovereign class and early Prometheus class projects. as well as the mission pod from the Akira. The ship filled the role of a Long-range Heavy torpedo boat, Relying on 4 nacelles and a warp core taken from incomplete sovereign contracts, and armed with a truly ludicrous number of torpedo tubes. This prototype was intended to fill the rear ranks of a fleet combat formation, a Sniper of sorts. A design oversight resulted in the the ship having no shuttlebay, but at the height of the war a shuttlebay wasn't deemed "Mission Critical" for the ships intended purpose
I'd love to see a novel based around one of these kit-bashed monstrosities of a ship. Watching an engineering crew cup with a ship that is far from cutting edge and riddled with bugs and eccentricities would be fun.
@ 5:24; The "Contemplation" is sweet! It bypasses the Intrepid's under endowed nacelles & @ the same time reduces the "Shocked Toilet" expression of the sensor array/ navigation disc. The kinked nacelles are still a MAJOR engineering goof. Magnetic field induction or no. Many thanx 👍👍
That reminds of a scene from the Futurama Episode "Were No Fan Has Gone Before" were used Necelles from the USS Enterprise and Body from the Planet Express Ship.
These remind me a lot of the "Ugly" ships (or more often, fighters) from Star Wars funnily enough, basically in-universe kit-bashes of fighters. Examples include Tie fighter cockpits with x-wing wings or y-wing nacelles where they otherwise would have had their traditional solar panel wings. Typically these would be used by pirates and other low-lifes short on resources for proper vessels.
I have a kit bashed Centura class I call the dog soldier class. (I've been reading alot of old west history lately.) It's a centura with ablative armor,improved phasers and shields and a Miranda style roll bar with a torpedo launcher module that can rapid fire photon torpedo like a galaxy class. It was a offshoot program to make a more combat worthy vessel that could hang in battle longer. They would use their phasers to strip the shields of the enemy then shotgun them with torpedo. Not many were built 24 in all before the project was canceled due to the end of the war. All were named after famous Indian War chiefs. None survived and all were scrapped due to them being to warshipy. (I hope to be able to make one someday to put up on the shelf.)
I think the Yaeger was more or less a 'huh... it actually works WELL!?' and thus it got an actual class-naming and designation. And it makes sense that if you keep bashing random things together, you'd eventually be lucky and get a good combination that just work out well (enough) compared to the average results elsewhere. I also really like the look of it, although it does have that very 'this is stupid... but works' look to it as well. But the overall designlook is cool.
Man I know they say it's bad but I wish the jeager class got more love, it's such a unique style for starfleet. Plus idk why but I get the feeling it would serve well as a kind of Miranda class, a ship that's lower end and cheaper to produce, usally assigned to first time captains. I just love the more industrial feel of that ship
I really like the Intrepid-Ambassador kitbash. I think it's actually one of my favourite Starfleet designs. You know what, it's superior to the Galaxy-class. Hands down. Fight me. It doesn't even look like a kitbash, the components just blend together so well. I love it!!!
Watching this makes me want to play Star Trek Online. I never stick around more than a few days, but circle back every few months to year or two. The Oberth kitbash is going to give me nightmares, that ship was fugly from the start. I kind of like the Centaur class too. She feels like a lean but effective Starfleet beat-stick.
There is no class of starfleet vessel more worthy of the name "Venerable" than the Excelsior-class. When I play STO even today, it is one of my favorite vessels, and can pack a strong punch even compared to modern vessels. It makes sense that in times of war, a ship design and hull so sturdy and reliable like the Excelsior would be reused for war. It has survived the test of time.
Thank you for these vids, I love the aesthetic of Star Treks' ships with the exception of the Kelvin timeline's. I know it's all made up tech/ specs/ facts, but I find it all very interesting and entertaining. Your vids about the in-universe info and Junkball's vids about the behind the scenes creations of many of the ships we see in the series and movies have been keeping my love of Star Trek on life support as current trek isn't my cup of tea, Earl Grey, hot.
I think a more sensible in universe explanation for the abundance of Intrepid primary hulls is that, after the apparent loss of Voyager with all hands (even tho the audiences knows the ship survives, Starfleet doesnt for a few years) Starfleet may have come to the conclusion that some design flaw may be at fault, and halted construction of Intrepid class ships in whatever state they were in. Then the Dominion war kicks off, and they slap together the living space primary hull (without the complex functional components) to secondary hulls with proven systems to create ships that work out of spare parts laying around. That would also be why Admiral Ross had an Intrepid class as his transport to Romulus, its a fairly undemanding duty that doesn't take an important ship off the front lines, and its not like any Starfleet ship would survive to escape Romulus if a fight broke out. Though after Voyager's return, Starfleet would learn how survivable the Intrepid class was, by that time they had effectively moved on and designed replacements.
If you get a chance you should look up my all-time favorite kitbash, the Apollo class, essentially a Nebula-style take on the Ambassador-class. However you HAVE to look for the 3D model made by Eric Peterson who first originated this kitbash 20-some-odd years ago, otherwise you'll only see a myriad of lesser versions that don't look nearly as good. It's honestly one of my favorite designs in all of Star Trek.
This topic is fascinating; As far as I know, kitbashed ships aren't seen often in official media, I think the only capacity Star Wars has such ships recognised in an official capacity are the "Freemakers" non-canon stuff from the Lego toys.
Am I the only one that thinks this interpretation of the Contemplation just genuinely looks REALLY good? Actually I legitimately think it looks better than the original Ambassador it feels more "balanced" and "faster' to me.
The thing that's always bothered me about the Yeager class is, in-universe, the Condor class is so much smaller than the Intrepid, that I can't imagine those two designs mashing up as we see on screen. The studio models are nowhere near the same same scale, so either the Condor hull is significantly upscaled to the point it's not a Condor anymore, or a shrunken variant of the Intrepid class arrowhead built to fit it, which would not be an Intrepid either. But rather than try to explain this, canon just goes "yep. It's a Condor hull with an Intrepid saucer on it."
It is most likely that it is a scalable design like the Klingon Bird of Prey. The condor is like a utility and industrial design it prob comes in many scales from 2 man to full 50 man crew.
@@braddl9442 yeah, I could buy that. Though 50 is pushing Defiant class proportions. It would be an awfully rare Condor that approached that size. Or else really cramped quarters. The Val Jean often seemed like an oversized variant, with a crew of 24, compared to earlier uses of the model in prior Maquis episodes. Though still quite small, next to Voyager.
Not quite what I was thinking when this popped up in my YT feed LOL . Is anyone else here old enough to remember the Star Trek board game (this was long before ST:TNG hit the screen)? Some buddies and I designed a Galactica class Battlestar with warp technology (THAT'S what I was thinking for a "Frankenstein" Fleet)
A personal pet peeve on mine are depictions of the Centaur-class scaled to an Excelsior saucer and having the Excelsior bridge. the shooting model for the Centaur did the saucer from an Excelsior model kit, but the larger, differently-scaled bridge from the Reliant model kit was used. the designer added a bunch of other greebles to disguise the fact it was an Excelsior saucer. If i could revise the design i'd have used an Enterprise-B saucer as the base and put the shuttle bay where the central impulse engine is, keeping the Ent-B side impulse engines for that sporty, agile look. bolting together hull components to get more ships spaceworthy makes sense with old and surplus designs, like Mirandas and Excelsiors, but the usage of brand new Intrepid components seemed odd (in universe). a fan theory i've heard to explain the Interprid kitbashes was that early int he war the Dominion hit a shipyard where the Intrepids were being built. defenses saved the yard where the saucers were being built, but the stardrives were lost. having otherwise operational saucers they quickly fused it to whatever secondary hulls they could scrounge up to get them in the fight.
4:50 - That Oberth variant is not two oberths with an old nacelle under them. That oberth is a work crane carrying a nacelle into place for another ship's refit.
I wonder if they had any ships that were essentially warp cores strapped to a nacelle with a pod for a pilot and some torpedo tubes... kinda like that one Peanut Hamper built but with weapons, lol
It's funny that the lore mentions that Starfleet was in a desperate rush to make ships during the Dominion war (which makes sense as in 1 battle they lost 98 of 112 starships), but doesn't really address that Starfleet seems to know nothing of how to make a ship in a hurry, or at least how to make a wartime version of one. When the USS Sao Paulo arrived at DS9 to replace the Defiant, Dr. Bashir joked he didn't like the new carpet colour. But really that said a lot on its own. Carpets should be omitted, and the whole ship should have a more simplified and spartan TOS look inside and out. Most of these ships were not lasting long, and those that survived could be refit after the conflict. "Hey, the fleet is desperate for ships, can you speed up production on those Defiant class?" "No, we are going as fast as we can. I can't think of anything to cut as non essential. Don't worry, the Sao Paulo is almost ready for its critical interior components. We just need 8 days to install the carpet first".
Worth noting is the shooting model of the Centaur is far more heavily kitbashed then the CG version here, and has a Miranda class bridge pod. Adam Buckner, the ship designer, has indicated he built the ship to be scaled around the Miranda parts (if you scale based on the excelsior saucer the miranda torpedo pod is much much too big). He wanted to imply that the saucer was not from an excelsior but was unique to this class. It's actually smaller then a miranda saucer! If scaled based on Miranda parts the ship would be about 210m. Tiny little ship! Most books and reference material has it scaled based on Excelsior sizes as it was not until relatively recently that HQ images of the shooting model became available that show off the ships added details. The smaller size seems consistent with it's depiction in the show tho as it was meant to be a similar size to the Jem'Hadar BugShip it chases in DS9(s06e01) "A Time to Stand".
Yeah I did notice this while researching into it, as you said, originally the saucer may have been a supposedly been a completely different class, but with everything referencing the Excelsior as its originator nowadays, I went with that scale as the baseline. Either way, something ends up out of scale but I still love the design.
I like this idea. It really fits the scrappy miracle-worker aura of the Starfleet engineer. Whenever I saw Oberths or Mirandas in the big fleet battles my assumption was that a generation of automation and tech updates let them function with a much smaller crew than they originally had. If stationed near a developed world or attached to a a more functional ship like a Galaxy they could run with even fewer support crew in the rotation.
Yaegers design is so crazy when you consider the 2 ships stuck together are so vastly a different scale to each other, if you see the front windows of the Maquis vessel underneath the Intrepid you notice that they're about 40 times larger than any window on the main ship, since yeah.... the under ship would be a shuttle size and the upper a full on galaxy faring starship. Also not to mention that the registration of that vessel is just the Voyagers numbers shuffled around and the name is fairly clear where they got the decal for that as well lol voY(E)AGER
While this will get hulks into the black. The problem here is it breaks standardization to such a degree each shop then becomes a servicing nightmare with only very limited visibility on slots it can serve. Presumably this would only be for the duration of the do! Onion war to fill out the back ranks to allow more.... Standardized ship configurations to serve directly, I would jonestly consider the Frankenstein Fleet the effort of a desperate government strapped for resources rather than a major power that is known for manufacturing and developmental miracles. Indirectly though i do credit the Frankenstein Fleet for the standardization of modular component systems seen in the 25th century (STO continuity.) So, at the very least some good did come of it.
There was already some modularity with the Miranda pod and the Runabouts. But why they didn't do some large scale modular design needs explanation. Like having the saucer be separated into individual "cake slices" that can be switched out for different missions. Or a large bay that can either work as freight bay or to slot in different modules. And those modules can be all kind of things. From basic crew living space to evacuation or medical facilities to troop transports, massive shuttle compartments or industrial scale replicators Actually a standardized block segment is more feasible than a cutable saucer. Standardized dimensions with standardized connection ports at specific locations. They can be slotted in, and when later on the connection becomes more complex, expand the port while keeping backwards compatibility. Like how USB-A ports for USB3 also allow for USB2 and 1.1 devices. Or how USB-B ports for USB 3 are just USB-B ports for USB2 but with an extension on the side. The old plug still fits in. Or how non-grounded power plugs fit into the grounded sockets, leaving the ground connection unoccupied.
Since Jeffries’ original design the nacelles, saucers, and engineering sections were always modular. This fits perfectly within that - even if with a few adaptors stuck together for the warp plasma!
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Building an Excelsior Stardrive framework with YorkTown Class warp engines, a Sovereign Class deflector dish and a modded California Class Sauce with Excelsior Class and Sovereign Class impulse engines.
In another comments section we were talking about what they'd do with a Galaxy Class saucer section if the stardrive section was lost. It sounds silly, but I'd like to see a Galaxy Class saucer section with Excelsior nacelles (not sure if two or four) with a minimalist or non-existent primary hull. Basically a giant, ghetto version of a Stargazer.
One of the best non-canon Kit-bash ships I've see is in the Stellaris Mod 'Star Trek New Civilisations'. There is a very unique variant of the Miranda class called the Suffolk class which is essentially two Miranda's except one is upside down and sharing the same saucer section. Four nacelles, four fore torpedo launches and four aft torpedo launchers.
Umm, Frankenstein was the name of the shipbuilder, not the fleet.
Kids these days! I bet they were never taught to read the Utopia Planitia guide in the classroom, smh.
Rear Admiral Frankenstein was quite the engineer. He managed to crate something from nothing.
PS: Please make a designer named Frankenstein canon.
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Lol nice
@@HappyBeezerStudios he’d better insist on pronouncing it like Gene Wilder!
That Oberth 'flying nacelle" has got to be the single most bizarre Starfleet vessel ever.
when i first saw it i thought it was a tug transporting the nacelle to an assembly yard.
It literally looks like a case of "We need this done by this deadline and we don't care how you do it"
Imagine the ramming speed on that thing with 5 nacelles and the explodium factor given its basically 2 Oberths strapped to a rocket. Devastating weapon
Yeah where's the warp cover to power this idiocy?
@@TheMule47 That's EXACTLY what it is! The image is from an poster showing the TOS Enterprise being refit in the Motion Picture refit version, and that is one of the new nacelles being towed into place by a tiny tug that resembles a mini Oberth.
“What’ll we do with all these Excelsior class part leftovers?”
_“Ehh,_ we’ll just chuck ‘em in a Curry.”
The Centaur is a stunning ship, though. It really looks like the essence of classic Starfleet design, as if it were an original concept.
Yes! It’s one of the few models I have, it’s so simple and lovely. But I have an Excelsior model too, the lines are just so clean. But I love how the Centaur highlights the saucer.
Has there been a class from that era which WASN'T stunning? Even the Oberth looks awesome.
@@timothypage252 Yes, but there's an elegance to the Centaur that other ships don't have. It's so stripped-down that it almost looks like Star Trek by Syd Mead.
Actually putting the shuttle bay in front of the saucer section to me is very smart I never liked the idea of approaching the impulse engines output to land a shuttle.
Good news the Centaur did start with a kit bash model.
But when Deep Space Intro got a Refresh it got it's own original from scratch model.
God I always loved the idea of the Frankenstein fleet. Always had a feeling of a gritting commander welcoming new crew with a speech somewhere along the line of "This ship already gave her life for the Federation. You serve here, you better be ready to do the same."
Gotta be honest, the Intrepid Saucer fits pretty well on the Ambassador Stardrive.
i just built a 3d printable one
@@startrekmodelmaker4457Do you have a video of this??? I'd love to see this realized.
It actually looks oddly appropriate, and way way better than that Yeager abomination.
i wanna see the actual look of the Ambassador Intrepid fusion... cause that might be the coolest looking ship thats not shown on screen
I wanna see a fusion of an excelsior with TOS parts.
i just made a 3d printable model of it after seeing this video
Oh yeah, that sounded sweet, would love to see that modeled out (on screen as well as printed...🤔
Great, now I have to go learn how to use a free 3d modelling program and buy a 3d printer. 😣
Lot of structural integrity fields running full blast at all times!
I liked the 'kit bashing' designs. Crewmen, especially engineers, could make a career of the specialty of these ships.
No they couldn't. Those "Frankenstein" ships weren't in service long enough.
@@deusexaethera Some were apparently, but in secondary roles where Starfleet went "ehh, good enough".
Remember they were still using some Miranda's and a lot of Excelsiors by the time the Dominion War started. If the job is just logistics support you don't need a state of the art ship, and some of the Frankenstein's (mostly based on Excelsior parts) had a lot of cargo space as they were turned into carriers and support for the more modern Frontline ships.
“So why does your resume include ‘served on a Yeager-class’ among your top credentials?”
“Sir, you can’t imagine the amount of techno-wizardry you have to pull in order to keep one of those buckets-o-bolts from flying apart while cruising at Warp 8. I managed to keep mine solid enough that it only entered drydock for a refit after years of uninterrupted service.”
“Well color me impressed! You sound like the perfect kind of guy to work on our prototype starships!”
Okay, does anyone else think the Contemplation design seems legitimately cool?
Also, I want to meet the madlad who put the shuttle bay in front of the bridge on the Centaur.
Hey, no “Raging Queen” type? The squashed Excelsior.
Curry. And it wasn't a kitbash because it's entirely an Excelsior.
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The Curry was, but the Raging Queen was slightly different, carrying Constitution nacelles and a slightly different configuration.
Yeah, the contemplation was the best of the lot. Most made little/no sense in light of the lore.
the contemplation does look sick and i never heard of it
The contemplation looks better than the intrepid but I was never a fan of the design of the intrepid
For a kitbash the Intrepid/Ambassador combination looks pretty damn good honestly.
If you told me the Centaur type craft were just ships from the mothball fleet, just like the Miranda and Excelsior class ships we saw, I'd fully believe it. It very much looks like a Miranda for the Excelsior age, and since the Nebula Class is the same idea for the Galaxy class, it would make sense. The one thing I'd really like to have seen is an equivalent for the Ambassador class, to be the "missing link" between Centaur and Nebula.
The Centaur makes more sense as a built ship that accidentally looks like a kitbash. For one thing, the Excelsior saucer is much, much bigger in comparison to the Miranda one I’ll bar.
I always assumed the Oberth with a constitution nacelle was delivering the nacelle to the mid refit enterprise which in the art piece that the Tereshkova is from the enterprise is missing both its nacelles
EXACTLY. I dunno why they EVER thought that it was designed to fly around all the time that way, lol.
This is correct. It was modified for shipyard applications
The Yeager class is what won the dominion war
Yes. Never listen to anyone who insults this beautiful ship!
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The Centaur Is one of the few I actually like and hardly even looks kitbaashed
The fact that Star Trek: Resurgence is going to feature a Centaur-class has got me hyped!
except no deflector
@@yzdatabase4175 Just like the Miranda class.
USS Yeager for the win!!!!
Yeah. Pretty neat looking ship imho
Last April 1, the joke made by Thomas Marrone, chief art director for Star Trek Online, was that they were going to introduce an updated Yeager-class ship using the primary hull of a Pathfinder-class (basically an upgraded Intrepid, with some marked visual distinctions). He called it the "Pathyeager".
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I like playing Star Trek Online especially coming up with new Starship Classes of kitbashing. My Ship was a Miranda mix with Shikahr The pylons was Miranda while the rest is Shikahr Class. I called this subclass the Cabrillo Class Light Cruiser and launched in the late 2360s a prewar Dominion War and a 24th Century equivalent to the Miranda.
I made Miranda centaur class looked pretty nice centaur saucer and the nells with Miranda's pylons so on i called it centauro class but think im gonna mirtauro class instead
Yeager class seems like it was simply very cost effective to make them. It seems the hard part to make of the intrepid class is the Engineering hull and nacelles. So they just had them made ahead of time before the dominion war cause they figured they would eventually all get their proper hull sections. And if you dont need to make all that extra stuff for exploration and stuff, and its for war, you can slap in an upscale condor hull, as long as you can do warp 6-7 or so you are prob good for being a picket ship or star base patrol ship.
I especially like that STO allows you to build your own Frankenstein ship.
I have so much fun doing that, especially with the Miranda. I found a couple combinations, one that turns it into a bulky Constitution, and one that gives it detached nacelles (this one involves the updated ShiKahr graphics).
Not going to lie that Ambassador/ Intrepid hybrid does look good
Agreed, I'll take that instead of the Yeager class.
One of the goofiest designs was the USS Melbourne/Nebula Class prototype. Those tiny nacelles on top of the rear mission pod reminds me of the equally tiny arms of a T-Rex
So no joke, I actually love the Jaeger-class, just the generally scrappy look of the ship with the harsh angles contrasting the rounded saucer just looks pleasing to my eyes
You're wrong, but everyone's wrong about something.
Agreed. The design is great considering the "what fits where?" lore. Wish it had more guns tho.
Iv got a ugly ship for you miranda class as saucer section (warp nacelles removed) keep the weapons roll bar intrepid class secondary hull.add additional shield generators profile a patrol ship .
That and have a foul mouthed engineer who always complaining how annoying it is keeping 100 year old systems online in miranda saucer section working. While in intrepid part everything works well.
the funny thing though is that one of them is the size of a shuttle and the other a full starship so when they're combined if you see the size of say... the windows on the maquis ship underneath would be gigantic compared to the ones on the intrepid hull.
The Wolf 359 fleet from TNG, when the Enterprise comes to check how the battle went (yeah ... didn't go well), featured quite a few interesting models too. I've seen a number of really good fan kitbashes and the Centaur has some really nice angles on it. One thing I would say is I think it would look better if the nacelles were more forward.
The Centaur class is one of my favorite designs.
6:38 That picture is of a Federation attack fighter, like what Cal Hudson used in DS9’s “The Maquis” and later in the Dominion War. The Frankenstein ship uses a different, larger ship like Chakotay’s ship from VOY’s “Caretaker”. It’s pretty much what Voyager would have looked like if Chakotay had rammed it instead of the Kazon carrier!
Even Chakotays ship wasnt nearly large enough to be the basis for the Yeager.
@@builder396 Not on the outside but they did manage to get 30 or so people in it somehow, and as SFDebris likes to point out, Chakotay’s medicine bundle, Tabor’s books and probably Torres’ antique furniture collection too!
But yeh, it’s just silly scaling taken to the extreme.
@@mb2000 It is inconsistent as fuck though, given on screen it is outright tiny when it crosses in front of the Galor.
I guniuenly would love to actually see the USS Contemplation as a ship because on the blue prints it looks pretty cool
I'm pretty sure the oberth-type is a tug-ship that helped in the connie refit program. The picture is from a ships of the line calendar image that shows the enterprise being refit. I dunno where the RPG is sourcing it's info from to imply it was a full ship rather then a parts tug.
The DS9 tech manual has several of the Frankenstein fleet listed, tho due to a rush job on release there's editing and graphical errors on some of them(sizes are swapped incorrectly, Centaur is missing the torpedo pod, etc). The Centaur and Yeager are in there, as is the intrepid/ambassador-type, tho they use the Connie engineering hull and upsized runabout pylons rather then ambassador. Nearly all of the designs in the tech manual are based on actual shooting models that were built for battle scenes in DS9. I'll have to do more research to see if an Ambassador-type-version model was built, or if it's an original design to the RPG source book.
Notably missing from this video are the Raging-Queen and Curry-type which were always my favorite of the ship gremlins from the dominion war. They're ugly as heck and I love them to bits.
The top of an Oberth welded to a single Constitution nacelle welded into a pair of more Oberth nacelles is RIDICULOUS and I love it. Imagine a car that's just 80% wheels.
I love how we now have a successor to the Yeager, the Pathyeager
I just imagine serving on one of these and somewhere around the mid point of the ship the interior design suddenly changing from a sleek, modern Intrepid class to the bulky yet functional Ambassador class....
I think that Oberth with Connie nacelle is just carry that to be install on Connie itself, Not an actually part of the design.
My thoughts exactly
Especially as we only see it inside of a dry dock.
The first ship is in one of the movie. The nacelle was built in another system and they needed to move it to the shipping yard.
Got to say I like the intrepid/ambassador class ship think it would make a very nice line of actual ships
So beautiful 😍
The kit bashing of vessels had occurred IRL during WW II. Shipyards were attempting to get new vessels out as quickly as possible, and sometimes they merged the hauls/components of 2 or more vessel classes to get them into service.
Yes. HMS Zubian comes to mind.
Heck, even the Yamato recycled the turrets from a cruiser for it's smaller guns.
Kit bashing can sometimes create surprisingly effective ships but not normally
I kinda like the odd looking ships epecialy on star trek online you sort of stand out and look unique also the odd looking ones tend to be a bit worse in stats so I try to build them up as end game ships for the fun of it.
Would be cool to see them appear in Lower decks or Prodigy
The Centaur is confirmed to be in Prodigy
Agreed on the comments regarding the Centaur Class............ Quite fond of that class.
Always liked the _Centaur._ Its both cool and a bit unusual that a Kitbash-Model got that much of a spotlight in the Episode it showed up. Perhaps the Effects people themselves recognized that they might have stumbled upon a cool design and wanted this Ship to shine for a moment.
i’d assume that the surplus of intrepid saucers was in part due to the brand new warp cores that were put in them, that program might’ve been put on hold because of the war/voyager’s incident
Yeah, they most likely had no problem making the hulls, so just made them ahead of time thinking they would eventually get the right hull. But then war came and they had all these hulls that would work just fine with any type of engine or warp system they could marry them into.
I absolutely loved the Yeager 'class' ships.
Had to laugh at the name if the first Oberth visual in your video USS Fortunate, probably called USS Unfortunate by anyone unlucky enough to be assigned to this flying coffin 😂.
My favourite Franken Fleet ship is the unseen USS Jupp - it just seems a feasible cut down constitution. Ditching the secondary hull removes the shuttle bay and the vast cargo bays (for stocking 5 year missions). This leaves a ship more suited for working within Federation space rather than exploring beyond.
It could be used as border patrol craft that has the speed and fire power of a Constitution, but fewer crew. It certainly would free up the Constitutions from dealing with border disputes.
Some of these are interesting and even seem somewhat viable but ultimately these would probably be first on the list to fall in battle, I always wondered why they never Frankensteined any constitution class since they literally led Starfleet for over 20 years and some how things like the Miranda stayed around.
Adam Buckner built a kitbashed Constitution for use on DS9 with two nacelles attached directly to the neck. Think he named it USS Jupp but it never made to screen. Plus there were others like the Curry and Elkins that use Constitution/Miranda nacelles.
The one thing Starfleet has is an amazing Ingenuity
Besides one of the most fun parts of STO is the Ship customization, Alto you can't mesh different class it give you enough freedom to make your own Spaceship.
Thanks for putting emphasis on this story. THIS fleet is worthy of a series.
What I like about the Frankenstein fleet concept is that’s it’s completely believable because it’s happened multiple times. The USA used mothball fleets and refits of multiple ships using parts from different types of ships all while also upgrading many at the start of the Korean War and again in the 1980s for Reagan’s 600 ship navy.
It’s how the Missouri new jersey Iowa & Wisconsin ww2 battleships were modernized with missiles cwis and radar but it’s 16 inch & 5 inch shells and many engine components coming from other battleships and cruisers.
Makes everything about the Frankenstein fleet easy to believe
Awwwwww yeah.
My favourite kind of design.
Smush all the leftovers together.
When i saw this type of ship building in star trek i looked around and found an Intrepid/constitution class starship variant.
its a medium cruiser with 225 crew, a power plant of one 1500 plus cochrane warp core. length of 444.39 meters and beam of 133.44. hight 87.78 meters. its mass is 1300000 metric tones. its basically the saucer of the Intrepid put on top of 2 constitution hulls. just wish i could find more info on it.
From the Deep Space Nine Technical Manual, yes, @Craig Stafford , although the size figures are fairly inaccurate. It should only be slightly longer than Voyager, so around 360 or so metres. Most of the other stats should be fairly close, though.
For older designs like the 'Constitution variant' (real length around 235 meters) I'd take those with more of a pinch of salt - especially top speed.
Always been a fan of the Centaur class, the TOS Archer class is also something great as well.
I've always kinda liked the Yeager class.......I also love the klingon bird of Prey and the Yeager always looked like a star Fleet redesign of a bird of prey
My own fanmade ship class is a kind of kitbash made for the dominion war, using lessons learned (And components from) the Sovereign class and early Prometheus class projects. as well as the mission pod from the Akira.
The ship filled the role of a Long-range Heavy torpedo boat, Relying on 4 nacelles and a warp core taken from incomplete sovereign contracts, and armed with a truly ludicrous number of torpedo tubes. This prototype was intended to fill the rear ranks of a fleet combat formation, a Sniper of sorts.
A design oversight resulted in the the ship having no shuttlebay, but at the height of the war a shuttlebay wasn't deemed "Mission Critical" for the ships intended purpose
I'd love to see a novel based around one of these kit-bashed monstrosities of a ship. Watching an engineering crew cup with a ship that is far from cutting edge and riddled with bugs and eccentricities would be fun.
@ 5:24;
The "Contemplation" is sweet! It bypasses the Intrepid's under endowed nacelles & @ the same time reduces the "Shocked Toilet" expression of the sensor array/ navigation disc. The kinked nacelles are still a MAJOR engineering goof. Magnetic field induction or no. Many thanx 👍👍
That reminds of a scene from the Futurama Episode "Were No Fan Has Gone Before" were used Necelles from the USS Enterprise and Body from the Planet Express Ship.
These remind me a lot of the "Ugly" ships (or more often, fighters) from Star Wars funnily enough, basically in-universe kit-bashes of fighters. Examples include Tie fighter cockpits with x-wing wings or y-wing nacelles where they otherwise would have had their traditional solar panel wings. Typically these would be used by pirates and other low-lifes short on resources for proper vessels.
I have a kit bashed Centura class I call the dog soldier class. (I've been reading alot of old west history lately.) It's a centura with ablative armor,improved phasers and shields and a Miranda style roll bar with a torpedo launcher module that can rapid fire photon torpedo like a galaxy class. It was a offshoot program to make a more combat worthy vessel that could hang in battle longer. They would use their phasers to strip the shields of the enemy then shotgun them with torpedo. Not many were built 24 in all before the project was canceled due to the end of the war. All were named after famous Indian War chiefs. None survived and all were scrapped due to them being to warshipy. (I hope to be able to make one someday to put up on the shelf.)
Thanks Rick.
Informitive as always.
I think the Yaeger was more or less a 'huh... it actually works WELL!?' and thus it got an actual class-naming and designation.
And it makes sense that if you keep bashing random things together, you'd eventually be lucky and get a good combination that just work out well (enough) compared to the average results elsewhere.
I also really like the look of it, although it does have that very 'this is stupid... but works' look to it as well. But the overall designlook is cool.
That Centaur looks great.
Agreed. For a “Frankenstein” ship it does have an elegant design.
Man I know they say it's bad but I wish the jeager class got more love, it's such a unique style for starfleet. Plus idk why but I get the feeling it would serve well as a kind of Miranda class, a ship that's lower end and cheaper to produce, usally assigned to first time captains. I just love the more industrial feel of that ship
I really like the Intrepid-Ambassador kitbash. I think it's actually one of my favourite Starfleet designs. You know what, it's superior to the Galaxy-class. Hands down. Fight me. It doesn't even look like a kitbash, the components just blend together so well. I love it!!!
Watching this makes me want to play Star Trek Online. I never stick around more than a few days, but circle back every few months to year or two. The Oberth kitbash is going to give me nightmares, that ship was fugly from the start. I kind of like the Centaur class too. She feels like a lean but effective Starfleet beat-stick.
There is no class of starfleet vessel more worthy of the name "Venerable" than the Excelsior-class. When I play STO even today, it is one of my favorite vessels, and can pack a strong punch even compared to modern vessels.
It makes sense that in times of war, a ship design and hull so sturdy and reliable like the Excelsior would be reused for war. It has survived the test of time.
Really liked the music with the synth bass in the middle!
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Thank you for these vids, I love the aesthetic of Star Treks' ships with the exception of the Kelvin timeline's.
I know it's all made up tech/ specs/ facts, but I find it all very interesting and entertaining.
Your vids about the in-universe info and Junkball's vids about the behind the scenes creations of many of the ships we see in the series and movies have been keeping my love of Star Trek on life support as current trek isn't my cup of tea, Earl Grey, hot.
I think a more sensible in universe explanation for the abundance of Intrepid primary hulls is that, after the apparent loss of Voyager with all hands (even tho the audiences knows the ship survives, Starfleet doesnt for a few years) Starfleet may have come to the conclusion that some design flaw may be at fault, and halted construction of Intrepid class ships in whatever state they were in. Then the Dominion war kicks off, and they slap together the living space primary hull (without the complex functional components) to secondary hulls with proven systems to create ships that work out of spare parts laying around. That would also be why Admiral Ross had an Intrepid class as his transport to Romulus, its a fairly undemanding duty that doesn't take an important ship off the front lines, and its not like any Starfleet ship would survive to escape Romulus if a fight broke out.
Though after Voyager's return, Starfleet would learn how survivable the Intrepid class was, by that time they had effectively moved on and designed replacements.
Finally some Starfleet ships I actually like.
The Intrepid "spoon" saucer on the Ambassador's engineering hill and nacelles looks so natural together, and is my favorite among all of these.
If you get a chance you should look up my all-time favorite kitbash, the Apollo class, essentially a Nebula-style take on the Ambassador-class.
However you HAVE to look for the 3D model made by Eric Peterson who first originated this kitbash 20-some-odd years ago, otherwise you'll only see a myriad of lesser versions that don't look nearly as good.
It's honestly one of my favorite designs in all of Star Trek.
Same
This topic is fascinating; As far as I know, kitbashed ships aren't seen often in official media, I think the only capacity Star Wars has such ships recognised in an official capacity are the "Freemakers" non-canon stuff from the Lego toys.
Kitbashed starfighters, or "uglies" were a mainstay of the old Star Wars EU, and have featured prominently in the bew canon as well iirc.
The ship in the top right of the preview picture is not a Frankenstein ship , it just transports a Warp nacelle to a constitution class
Yep it's literally an tug.
Am I the only one that thinks this interpretation of the Contemplation just genuinely looks REALLY good? Actually I legitimately think it looks better than the original Ambassador it feels more "balanced" and "faster' to me.
The thing that's always bothered me about the Yeager class is, in-universe, the Condor class is so much smaller than the Intrepid, that I can't imagine those two designs mashing up as we see on screen. The studio models are nowhere near the same same scale, so either the Condor hull is significantly upscaled to the point it's not a Condor anymore, or a shrunken variant of the Intrepid class arrowhead built to fit it, which would not be an Intrepid either. But rather than try to explain this, canon just goes "yep. It's a Condor hull with an Intrepid saucer on it."
It is most likely that it is a scalable design like the Klingon Bird of Prey. The condor is like a utility and industrial design it prob comes in many scales from 2 man to full 50 man crew.
@@braddl9442 yeah, I could buy that. Though 50 is pushing Defiant class proportions. It would be an awfully rare Condor that approached that size. Or else really cramped quarters. The Val Jean often seemed like an oversized variant, with a crew of 24, compared to earlier uses of the model in prior Maquis episodes. Though still quite small, next to Voyager.
Not quite what I was thinking when this popped up in my YT feed LOL
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Is anyone else here old enough to remember the Star Trek board game (this was long before ST:TNG hit the screen)? Some buddies and I designed a Galactica class Battlestar with warp technology (THAT'S what I was thinking for a "Frankenstein" Fleet)
A personal pet peeve on mine are depictions of the Centaur-class scaled to an Excelsior saucer and having the Excelsior bridge. the shooting model for the Centaur did the saucer from an Excelsior model kit, but the larger, differently-scaled bridge from the Reliant model kit was used. the designer added a bunch of other greebles to disguise the fact it was an Excelsior saucer. If i could revise the design i'd have used an Enterprise-B saucer as the base and put the shuttle bay where the central impulse engine is, keeping the Ent-B side impulse engines for that sporty, agile look.
bolting together hull components to get more ships spaceworthy makes sense with old and surplus designs, like Mirandas and Excelsiors, but the usage of brand new Intrepid components seemed odd (in universe). a fan theory i've heard to explain the Interprid kitbashes was that early int he war the Dominion hit a shipyard where the Intrepids were being built. defenses saved the yard where the saucers were being built, but the stardrives were lost. having otherwise operational saucers they quickly fused it to whatever secondary hulls they could scrounge up to get them in the fight.
4:50 - That Oberth variant is not two oberths with an old nacelle under them. That oberth is a work crane carrying a nacelle into place for another ship's refit.
I needed a laugh. Greatly appreciate this.
But seriously, this sort of explains the customization of ships in STO.
This channel always put out fun and interesting videos.
The intrepid saucer with double constitution hulls was my favorite
I wonder if they had any ships that were essentially warp cores strapped to a nacelle with a pod for a pilot and some torpedo tubes... kinda like that one Peanut Hamper built but with weapons, lol
i actually really like the Pathjager despite it supppsed to be a joke ship it looks like a really cool destroyer-class ship.
It's funny that the lore mentions that Starfleet was in a desperate rush to make ships during the Dominion war (which makes sense as in 1 battle they lost 98 of 112 starships), but doesn't really address that Starfleet seems to know nothing of how to make a ship in a hurry, or at least how to make a wartime version of one.
When the USS Sao Paulo arrived at DS9 to replace the Defiant, Dr. Bashir joked he didn't like the new carpet colour. But really that said a lot on its own. Carpets should be omitted, and the whole ship should have a more simplified and spartan TOS look inside and out. Most of these ships were not lasting long, and those that survived could be refit after the conflict.
"Hey, the fleet is desperate for ships, can you speed up production on those Defiant class?"
"No, we are going as fast as we can. I can't think of anything to cut as non essential. Don't worry, the Sao Paulo is almost ready for its critical interior components. We just need 8 days to install the carpet first".
I would say "Screw the carpet."
Worth noting is the shooting model of the Centaur is far more heavily kitbashed then the CG version here, and has a Miranda class bridge pod. Adam Buckner, the ship designer, has indicated he built the ship to be scaled around the Miranda parts (if you scale based on the excelsior saucer the miranda torpedo pod is much much too big). He wanted to imply that the saucer was not from an excelsior but was unique to this class. It's actually smaller then a miranda saucer! If scaled based on Miranda parts the ship would be about 210m. Tiny little ship! Most books and reference material has it scaled based on Excelsior sizes as it was not until relatively recently that HQ images of the shooting model became available that show off the ships added details. The smaller size seems consistent with it's depiction in the show tho as it was meant to be a similar size to the Jem'Hadar BugShip it chases in DS9(s06e01) "A Time to Stand".
Yeah I did notice this while researching into it, as you said, originally the saucer may have been a supposedly been a completely different class, but with everything referencing the Excelsior as its originator nowadays, I went with that scale as the baseline. Either way, something ends up out of scale but I still love the design.
I like this idea. It really fits the scrappy miracle-worker aura of the Starfleet engineer. Whenever I saw Oberths or Mirandas in the big fleet battles my assumption was that a generation of automation and tech updates let them function with a much smaller crew than they originally had. If stationed near a developed world or attached to a a more functional ship like a Galaxy they could run with even fewer support crew in the rotation.
The 4 nacell ships in STO have some really amazing kitbashes :)
God i wish Pathyeager was in STO
The Centaur was the reason I started buying Eaglemoss ship models.
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I wish these ships had more emphasis placed on their existence to show just how desperate starfleet was.
It’s the Yeager for me. Love it!
Yaegers design is so crazy when you consider the 2 ships stuck together are so vastly a different scale to each other, if you see the front windows of the Maquis vessel underneath the Intrepid you notice that they're about 40 times larger than any window on the main ship, since yeah.... the under ship would be a shuttle size and the upper a full on galaxy faring starship. Also not to mention that the registration of that vessel is just the Voyagers numbers shuffled around and the name is fairly clear where they got the decal for that as well lol voY(E)AGER
The Yeager hurts my tummy too look at. Pinnacle of 'Frankenstein" design.
While this will get hulks into the black. The problem here is it breaks standardization to such a degree each shop then becomes a servicing nightmare with only very limited visibility on slots it can serve.
Presumably this would only be for the duration of the do! Onion war to fill out the back ranks to allow more.... Standardized ship configurations to serve directly, I would jonestly consider the Frankenstein Fleet the effort of a desperate government strapped for resources rather than a major power that is known for manufacturing and developmental miracles.
Indirectly though i do credit the Frankenstein Fleet for the standardization of modular component systems seen in the 25th century (STO continuity.) So, at the very least some good did come of it.
There was already some modularity with the Miranda pod and the Runabouts. But why they didn't do some large scale modular design needs explanation. Like having the saucer be separated into individual "cake slices" that can be switched out for different missions. Or a large bay that can either work as freight bay or to slot in different modules.
And those modules can be all kind of things. From basic crew living space to evacuation or medical facilities to troop transports, massive shuttle compartments or industrial scale replicators
Actually a standardized block segment is more feasible than a cutable saucer. Standardized dimensions with standardized connection ports at specific locations. They can be slotted in, and when later on the connection becomes more complex, expand the port while keeping backwards compatibility. Like how USB-A ports for USB3 also allow for USB2 and 1.1 devices. Or how USB-B ports for USB 3 are just USB-B ports for USB2 but with an extension on the side. The old plug still fits in. Or how non-grounded power plugs fit into the grounded sockets, leaving the ground connection unoccupied.
Since Jeffries’ original design the nacelles, saucers, and engineering sections were always modular. This fits perfectly within that - even if with a few adaptors stuck together for the warp plasma!
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Building an Excelsior Stardrive framework with YorkTown Class warp engines, a Sovereign Class deflector dish and a modded California Class Sauce with Excelsior Class and Sovereign Class impulse engines.
In another comments section we were talking about what they'd do with a Galaxy Class saucer section if the stardrive section was lost. It sounds silly, but I'd like to see a Galaxy Class saucer section with Excelsior nacelles (not sure if two or four) with a minimalist or non-existent primary hull. Basically a giant, ghetto version of a Stargazer.
@@matts1166 no, how about all the nacelles.
One of the best non-canon Kit-bash ships I've see is in the Stellaris Mod 'Star Trek New Civilisations'. There is a very unique variant of the Miranda class called the Suffolk class which is essentially two Miranda's except one is upside down and sharing the same saucer section. Four nacelles, four fore torpedo launches and four aft torpedo launchers.
Kitbashing parts from Different Scales
unforgivable! 4th wall breaking!
Rick, I love your videos! This fleet reminds me of college when our Motto when we went to the bars was “go ugly early”. 😊