It’s honestly very sad, I feel bad about all of the issues and how it’s almost like the devs learned nothing from payday 2, people argue how payday 2 wasn’t that good at launch, it’s like they forgot all of the learning they got from payday 2 and restarted with payday 3.
Because it's not the same team that was around for launch PD2. The core team is almost completely different, there's only very few people left from the PD:TH days.
The argument of "so what that the game X is bad at launch, don't you remember that the game Y was also bad at launch" is so stupid, it literally points out that the developers didn't learn anything from the launch of their previous game.
In Payday 2 at launch, there was a skill that made bagging loot quicker. After Update 100, it was gone because *everybody* took it. In Payday 3 at launch, there is a skill that makes bagging loot faster. The only reason Last Man Standing got nerfed was because someone remembered the Swan Song nerf which took THAT skill from 9 seconds down to 6. They have forgotten everything, and it's a crying shame.
Y'know how back then people would compare Payday and L4D in a friendly-ish way (even the devs recognized it), P3 could be compared to B4B; the more you look at it, the more reminiscent it is. Especially treatment-wise.
I can kinda see where its coming from, but I think B4B and PD3 are almost the complete inverse with where their problems lie. B4B had a completely rotten core, it had absolutely abysmal gunplay, which meant that even if everything else was great it would have just been awful anyway. PD3 actually has some really great core mechanics/gunplay/stealth, but everything else surrounding that is pretty awful. I think pd3 is a hell of a lot more impressive than B4B because there are very few games that really go out of their way with the gunplay and make shooting thats still really engaging.
@@johntravoltage959 Sure, there's hope at least. But the online-only is something I could only abide to go with if the game they're selling is an actual great game, a masterpiece. And PD3 despite having the potential to be good, it's not gonna be a masterpiece, let's face it. And the game being one that's gonna be absolutely filled with DLCs doesn't help at all.
@@elcobra98 Online-only is uncalled for even for 10/10 masterpieces. It adds nothing in most cases, and often makes the game unplayable after a decade. Raise your standards hah
@@elcobra98 I agree, but I don't think a game being online only immediately brings it to B4B tier effort. I also don't think that pd3 is necessarily that impossible to turn into something good. I don't like that it feels like its the same, but Payday 2 on launch to me felt pretty similar aside from more serious technical issues, and a big difference in the progression. Aside from that though I don't think they are really that far apart, and because of that I don't think its impossible for it to just end up being another payday 2. But that does suck, especially what you point out regarding dlc.
@@updog4L Alright, believe me I was cooking a walltext about this but I somehow lost the whole thing so, tldr: I had the crew bc I really wanted a game like it, suffered bc its online only, game is shutting down. I would only abide to play an online only for a game that I've been longing for a long time and I feel it covers 99% of my gaming needs, any less is a no-no, and I'm impressed players dismiss online-only so much; it's not about "haha get a better connection" problem as much as it's about the thing shutting down whenever the devs want it to. For me, for anything lesser than perfect, is not even worth considering, especially with online-only. Payday 3 doesn't look like it will get much better; it's just not 'masterpiece material'.
I still can't believe how even with the experience of developing PD:TH and PD2 they could've fumbled so bad that the game lacked core features that were in the previous games (server browser, ability to votekick, voice chat, preplanning, ability to stay with the crew after finishing the heist etc.).
Also it's a lot of new people directing and developing it, I don't think the skills/experience translated completely from PD2 days. That or publisher issues as others say
It honestly wouldn't surprise me. I still see several of my friends who own Payday 3 and Payday 2 logging into 2. 2 was made into a success. 3 fumbled into everything wrong with modern games and I just don't see a way to save it.
For the love of God, if they're gonna dish out more content at least push for that relic they call "Diesel Engine" to make 64-bit builds cause the ram usage is getting too close to the 3.2gb limit. Context: 32-bit apps on windows crash if their total memory consumption surpasses around 3.23gb.
The best way i can describe PD3 is "what's the point of new content if the way you approach the content inconveniences you on every single step of the way"
since this video the servers have become even slower and theres a whole lot more waiting on the menu for buying attatchments items etc and buddy it is Awful
Dear Lord O_O I still remember when the news of PD3 being "always online" first surfaced, I decided to wait with a purchase and things only seem to get worse as the time goes on
It is crazy to me that they sold this game as a "co-op" game with barely any co-op elements in it... barely any options of communication (on console none at all really), lack of kicking griefing/AFK players, lack of UI (e.g. if you are in a party in the main menu, you cannot see your teammates with their builds at all), disbanding public lobbies after a heist is over, matchmaking mostly giving you empty lobbies, no lobby filter (e.g. loud/stealth), the list goes ON and ON and ON...
i remember literally having to wait for the swat to kill an afk teammate so that we could complete the heist. he respawned from custody before we could get out and we had to wait for them to kill him again. absolutely nothing else we could have done
Yeah people that cry about being kicked weren't gonna stay with the game anyway. I liked the dictatorial kicking at least if the griefing gets to the right person they're kicked.
@@Gurnu They sure have made that CRYSTAL clear now. Not all of us wanted to believe that, and some of us had hope there were some devs with passion for the game.... Apparently not.
@@krodmandoon3479 Star breeze partners are actual payday 2 content creators, like our very own marioinatophat here, who are widely known in the community who now actually have (more) direct contact with Star breeze. Basically they made the h3h3 pack and realized "fuck we should just stick to our own community"
The funny thing is Payday 2 was on a Engine that created for Racing with car. Not a Cops vs Robbers type of game. And still that does more than PD3. But like..... PD3 just lacks alot of things. Very slow update, A New Content YEYYY- Its dlc... Well time to go back to square one. Whats the point of buying payday if the %80 of content behind dlcs... This is where dlc unlockers come in. But you cant use it anymore so I think PD3 Would be the same... new content BUT BEHIND DLC.
Also being fair: Payday 2 was pretty dog water at launch as well. Not to the extent that Payday 3 was, but man - all of my friends and I went back to playing L4D and PD:TH within like two days lol
also keep in mind that in the cheat menu there is an option to start an offline game, and the devs WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY to specifically not have it in the normal game
Considering it's a waffle you've nailed pretty much everything wrong with the game. Sucks to be 4 months in and feel as though I have the same level of fatigue as 10 years of Payday 2 gradually gave me. Here's hoping they turn things round soon
Even 10 years of Payday 2 didn't give me as much burnout as literally a few days of 3. Even now I still hop on PD2 to do some dumb wacky build or play with a random crew to see how many heists we can get through. Meanwhile in PD3... What's the dumbest, weirdest, wackiest build you can even think of?
When you said "PAYDAY 3 takes PAYDAY 2 and improves it in every conceivable way", what did you mean, exactly? Because surely the April build couldn't match that description. What were you talking about, 4 months ago? PAYDAY 3 being bad isn't news.
@@somerandomgamer8504yeah there's like 2 wacky builds you can make and it sucks, because infinite nade spam without taking self damage and ziv commando with flash skills are fun to use, too bad it's limited to like those two options.
All they had to do was give PD2 a facelift, the formula for that game was so good by the end they literally made ends meet by just churning out content for it. For me, the "skills" system with G/R/E killed it immediately, just wasn't fun maintaining simple buffs.
Yeah, considering how loved payday 2 was despite it's constant fuck ups (lack of story straight into rushed as hell story, the drill fiasco, epic games integration, the sheer AMOUNT of DLC, the h3h3 pack, the addition of more DLC after they promised no more, there's so much more I can't even think of off the top of my head), they had a golden opportunity here and completely fucked it up.
Seriously. If they just stole the entirety of how the menus looked and worked from payday 2 and slapped it on payday 3, I don't think ANYONE would complain. And honestly? It would be completely ok if they did that until they were confident they had something else that'd work
I kinda forgot that Payday 3 even released. It's a shame that they messed up the launch, I feel like that it could cement the death of the genre for a decade if this game gets shut off soon. Not only will any bank robbing game be declared a Payday clone but publishers and shareholders won't dare to fund the making of a bank robbing game after seeing how this game went.
They fumbled the bag hard. They fumbled the bag so hard it tore open and everything in the bag scattered on the floor and broke. Now, of course, they could pick up every piece, glue everything back together, stitch the bag up, and return everything to normal, but will they? Can they?
Starbreeze in general has been just terrible with communication throughout this whole thing (as always). The fact they're only now reaching out is too little too late.
Even though Back4Blood had a lot of problems and stupid game design decisions, it was fun to play. I liked to overcome with friends and go through it, from the start to the end it changed quite a lot, but on the whole it remained the same. The 800 hours from early access to the very end of the game was worth it. Looking at Payday 3, it doesn’t even come close to being comparable to B4B for me, starting with the state of the game and servers and ending with their (Starbreeze) attitude towards the DLC.
both games honestly had their strong gameplay set back by bad marketing and gamebreaking issues, aleast b4b got its shit together in the next 2 years of its lifespan and was actually extremely likable by its EOL (which actually was more upsetting to hear than i would've thought at the beginning of its livespan). pd3 hasnt hit that yet, and i know they likely can, but its hard to consider it when everyone and their dog just considers it dead on arrival. I like pd3, i like the gameplay and i know they can fix the issues, but at this point its likely just going to be tossed and the franchise will dissove soon.
@@Dr.Oofers by the second major update id say it was "fun" and worth playing, but thats opinionated. but yes, they turned themselves around for a good while until tencent bought the company and then they decided to "go quiet"
I think one of the only things you might've forgotten to mention is the progression system, which, I would think would work better as a cyclic progression system than this long endless journey that they seem so adamant to keep around. Payday 2 had this satisfying *mmph* to the Risk bonus where you would just see levels soar by on the results screen, and each infamy point after that is relatively attainable like once per week. It's a balanced system to keep people playing because then you get both the early dopamine, and then the slower but progressing infamy system with many options. I know Payday 3 now has its own answer to the infamy system but I just don't see anyone sticking around long enough to actually use it. I think there is still a lot that should be done about progression and feeling rewarded after a heist, especially with increased difficulty. Better to splurge players with too much of the stuff if it makes the journey more satisfying than being overly stingy.
totally agree, even with the recent changes to receiving IP after heist completion its just not a system i can see ever working in the game and i kinda just hope they gut it and replace it with a traditional xp system lolllll
I tried to hold on for as long as I could, all my friends uninstalled months ago but I still hopped on to play solo occasionally just because I like the gunplay so much. The dlc was the last straw, almost half the games price again for a couple maps and a shit new enemy while ignoring all the community requests for QoL is a slap in the face.
Man, I remember pointing out the writing on the wall. The terrible UI, the complete lack of randomisation, the bland feeling, the online-only, the lack of content; and I was laughed at. "Oh, it's a beta build! Oh, it's a few months old! Oh, it'll all be fixed for launch!" It's like people thought Overkill would magically fix it with noone giving feedback on how terrible it was, and do it in such a tiny timeframe.
I feel like I'm onto something, can someone else look at OVK's the walking dead UI and Payday 3 side by side? It matches in too many places, except for some reason they removed the crime-net-esque map from 3
Here's the thing. People wanted to believe they put in something that was just barely enough to get players from point A to point B because how could it possibly be that garbage when they have the most lovingly crafted UI to borrow from? People wanted to believe it only looked and performed crap because that stuff comes way after the core system is dealt with. People wanted to think the first level in the game wasn't especially deep just because the first one didn't really need to be. Like, what kind of cynic thinks they would take that allegedly months-old build and decide to go gold with it? One that was proven right, apparently.
you forgot "oh, it only just came out!", "oh, it's only the first patch!", "oh, it's only the second patch!" (you are here) and my personal favorite, "there's always the next game"
@@merepseu "what kind of cynic thinks they would take that allegedly months-old build and decide to go gold with it?" A Battlefield veteran thinks that. A Battlefield veteran... **Watches DICE murdering the franchise with 2042**
i am honestly so glad that my collectors edition never came through and got cancelled before payment because they couldn't send one out because they never got any to deliver. in hindsight dodged a huge bullet there. sad to see where this game got to.
I actually did commit to playing Payday 3 every day as the "standard" game I boot up when getting home for a few weeks after the latest DLC, and I love the gunplay it's rewarding and satisfying, it is the only real good thing I think about when looking at Payday 3 in my library, and I've mostly stopped playing at this point because life is too short. It's insane to me that having the gunplay being the only thing standing out in a pile of shit with UI that comes from your local 10 minute "how to make a console UI game" tutorial, to no QoL features, to it being online only, but you get thrown out of the lobby the second the heist finishes. "Coop game" my ass! the people playing with me might as well be bots for all the cooping we are doing with no communication or interaction, I might notice having fewer armor plates and that's it. The fact that I can't search for a loud or stealth only heist means I either play alone, get extremely lucky finding not console players to coordinate with if they even know there is a chat box in the dogshit that is the lobby UI, or have to sit through gold&shark stealth again for the 50th time this evening. I don't know how a team with this much experience in developing payday 2 can fuck up the parts that should be a direct translation from Payday 2, yet still make gunplay so satisfying. I agree with everything said in this video and I hope they turn the ship around but unless I start seeing them actually do something and not just throw DLC at me, Payday 3 will probably rot up in my library, I fear the worst fate for this game in 2024.
>I don't know how a team with this much experience in developing payday 2 can fuck up the parts that should be a direct translation They forgor 💀. Fr though, I think both their leadership and dev teams are new and/or inexperienced, because the UI issues are extremely similar to Overkill's The Walking Dead. That or they just didn't learn lol
@@updog4Li TOTALLY FORGOT about that game. and hey, remember raid: ~~shadow legends~~ ww2? wow, starbreeze hasn't made a good game in years, huh? lmao
@@blueyandicy Raid was developed by Lion game lion (sister studio) using Diesel engine, Overkill weren't involved in their development so really only the publishing side took a L.
I played the early access for the gold edition and after 95mins, 3 complete heists I was like "I waited 10 years, for this shit? Nah man, it aint right. *Checks steam time played* Well at least I can get my money back. Maybe in a year I'll check again." And this far I had no urge to lookup anything PD3 related and since I'm subbed here I obviously checked it out only to be informed that nothings changed :'(
I stopped playing Payday 3 after a few weeks mainly cause of matchmaking issues, and I decided to give fighting games a go despite the fact that like a year ago I kinda said “eh, fighting games just aren’t my thing”. I have come to realize though that turns out, they really are my thing, so thanks Payday 3 for fumbling the bag so hard it made me discover my love for an entirely different genre of games
The current mood of a lot of Payday 3 content creators mirrors how a lot of Halo content creators felt after Infinite's launch. That is not a good thing.
I've been playing since PDTH and couldn't stop playing PD2 for years, but with PD3 I played in the first month and I just can't bring myself to keep playing it. I think it's the large number of small issues that you mentioned which actively deters me from even bothering, plus that social aspect is almost completely gone. I made so many friends that I still play other games with today because of PDTH and PD2 because of how social it was. Plus the DLC pricing is an absolute scam. The old OVERKILL team is pretty much gone and they took their talent with them (which considering the shit that Bo and others pulled I don't blame them at all for doing); what made Payday so special can only be recreated by the original team. As harsh as it might sound, I don't think the current devs have that shared passion or mindset anymore. I hope they pull it back and address the issues plaguing the game but it takes a lot of time to implement what people are suggesting, so by the time they finish it it could be too late. It's all just so sad to see as a veteran player.
i got into payday 3 a bit later than most people, it wasnt until the first big update dropped that i really played it, because the optimization is so poor i couldnt play it on my previous setup. but i upgraded my PC just for this game because payday means that much to me yknow? but even with my late start, i've pretty much fallen off of it, i hit about infamy 100~ ish, and going back to play anymore sounds so unappealing because i just cant find any lobbies with randos. either ive got a pre-made group of three or four friends ready to play payday 3, or i don't play it at all. it really is fun at its core but its got so much stuff around it that drags the entire thing down its hard to reckon with. also, i'm terrified of the microtransactions they have in the game files. if they actually push those any time soon, the games legitimately over. one more PR knock that bad and this game is sincerely probably never going to recover, those stupid suits and masks in the files are just sitting there like ticking timebombs
I feel bad for all the payday content creators out there who make amazing stuff and have basically been shafted because the game is currently so devoid of life. You guys deserve better. Had a script in the works of everything I found was an issue, I've basically scrapped the whole thing because editing a really long video on a game I just don't like right now is exhausting to consider. I don't like being so negative, and finding the positives is hard right now.
It's missing soul. Payday 1 was made by a ragtag group that wanted to play around with the idea of playing as the bad guys, it was low stakes and mostly done for fun. Payday 2 was a continuation of that with higher stakes, they realized the fanbase that they had and understood that they needed to make a fun experience, but the original idea and concepts were still there. When Payday 3 came about, it was like "Well, these things are in other games and people play those" so they added the armor system like so many current shooters have, and added MOBA-like buffs to be the center point of their skills. They abandoned the simple concept to be something that Payday wasn't ever, as if they weren't trying to keep the old fanbase but to garner a new one off of the fanbases of other games. Payday 3 was made with no soul, it was made to sell a game, sell DLC, and sell microtransactions, it's just another shooter now. The real reason that it's online only is to stop people from pirating the game to maximize profits, but as a consequence nobody can truly own the game, if the Payday 2 servers go down you can still experience 99.9% of the game (all I can think of is OverDrill and some weapon mods) meanwhile if Payday 3 servers go down, the game is gone, you can't play it.
The only cheats they were worried about were the DLC unlockers... I'm sure that is why they implemented the always online. You pretty much nailed it on the cons... Lack of crime net, social features (proper text chat on all consoles and voice chat), the UI and the progression system stop me from playing the game. I only play for a few hours when new content drops because I do not want to deal with this matchmaking system where ppl just insta leave when we go loud. It is sad to see this game flop hard and get yet another "wait for a year to be good" game... Even if the game had a stable launch I'm sure it would still have the same player number as it has now with these questionable design choices and constant "this was added post PD2 launch" from devs on basic QoL features like lobby settings (min lvl, loud/stealth indicator and vote kick) or even a jukebox that the modders already did.
running into a pd2 lobby without a DLC unlocker or someone blatantly cheating is an impossible task nowadays, the fact that cheating is referenced in game and in songs its hard to deny always online was to at least curbtail the rampant "Qol mods :)" that players cheat with.
Aside from the servers, imo Payday 3 has other issues that are small but numerous and it is hard for me personally to point out which problems contribute to the bad state of the game the most but it just feels off. After a heist or two I just don't really feel like playing and for me personally the challenges have been making me feel (atleast slightly) pressured to play with the guns I don't really like, especially now that I'm left with the ones I was avoiding for as long as possible.
@@Dr.Oofers you will literally find mashups with beta (real) on my channel, so how in the world would anyone NOT expect to find me under the channel of the person I stole this gag from?
finding out they brought back heist/gun dlcs when they SPECIFICALLY said they wouldnt, TWICE. *TWICE.* very cool dunderkill! its also hilarious they already started reusing maps, the two arent bad, but i think i can say no one wanted those maps (this is mainly for murky station than cook off, who legit asked for murky station) its really sad how much it fell over, i had high hopes and low expectations, and they somehow made a bad game with a decade of work under their belt
I’m still not particularly sure why, but as soon as Update 237 dropped for PD2 I lost all interest in PD3. I wasn’t “boycotting” PD3 in response, like for some indescribable reason I legitimately just stopped caring about PD3 and ended up not buying it. Thanks Update 237, you saved me like at least $40 👍
@@elcobra98 Oh no problem lol Update 237 for Payday 2 changed the Matchmaking system from Steam’s matchmaking services (which PD2 had been using since launch in 2013) to Epic Online Services, and was meant to coincide with Payday 2 launching on the Epic Games Store, initially for free. This resulted in Matchmaking being completely broken, mods being broken, and tons of cheaters flooding the game since it was free on Epic Games Store. There were also concerns that people’s personal information was being harvested when interacting with Epic Online Services, since Epic themselves are owned by Tencent, a massive Chinese gaming company notorious for pushing bad business practices like micro transactions and data harvesting, stuff like that. All of that stuff combined created a big controversy for PD2… which was quickly drowned out by PD2’s final heist being added a week later, and PD3’s hype train starting up maybe a week or so after that. And like I said in my original comment, I wasn’t necessarily “mad”, just profoundly disappointed that Overkill/Starbreeze would make such an astronomically bad decision, and I lost interest in PD3. In retrospect, Update 237 helped me dodge a bullet 😅
Their words vs actions really shows it all. The potential and good favor is being burned up quickly quick, if you don't want to be pessimistic then you don't gotta agree but this might end up as starbreeze's last hurah but it's not even going to be one of joy.
1. I don't know why but I feel that SBZ has tied hands. Back in Payday 2, you could see and feel the support but in Payday 3, as much as they want to do stuff, I feel like there is someone holding them back, prioritizing other stuff. We could see that when Payday 3 launched. The game felt rushed but why? SBZ never released rushed content for Payday 2. Only problems that Payday 2's new content had was some bugs and stuff that needed nerf/buff that was fixed within a week 2. The other things I wanted to mention is the "Strike team". Yes, they wrote they put Strike team together to fix the game but who are they? Are they good developers who can really fix the game? Or are they veteran developers of failed games or developers who did bad and were fired for some reason. Since I see the rushed release with publisher being at fault, I wouldn't be surprised if someone at top hired the "failed developers" for the same reason why Payday 3 failed. Irresponsible actions I just want to be realistic about Payday 3's future and not naive. I hope things will go better
First point - They had different publishers. Deep silver/Embracer as a whole are not known for their integrity and love of the artform. I don't think it's all on them though, maybe OVK's leadership isn't as good as it used to be. I disagree about them never releasing rushed content. PD2 launched without cloakers, grenades or even basic weapon stats lol, not to mention lazy/reused DLC content, our standards were lower imo.
"Starbreeze never released rushed contant for Payday 2" lmao Comment above mine points out launch issues but it went well beyond that. Gage Ninja Pack was so busted it prompted a mass rebalance of the entire game, which fundamentally changed core and integral parts of weapon mods and "types" of weapons, several crossover DLCs (which seemed to be the publisher's fault at least) were real stinkers, Overkill never figured out a way to make the 100+ melee weapons do anything engaging, and right up through post-White House was some pretty obvious and often uncreative level concept/asset reuse mixed in with the good stuff. Payday 2 was just halfway decent at very quickly brushing aside or ignoring rushed content, or more rarely fixing it. It matters for Payday 3 because this game has not fixed or even paved over its rushed elements and does not have a boatload of existing content to shore up flops- not that Payday 3's problems can ever be fixed just by adding new content.
@@Evanflame-rk9xu Original in what sense? With original graphics, ai pathfinding and the same gameplay? That wouldn't sell well. And as we saw with early builds, they can't just press one button to port a heist
you hit the nail on the head with the issues the game has. the only thing that i can think of that hasn't been brought up in the video is that although the game has crossplay/cross-save, if you own DLC content on the PC it is unavailable on the console versions. i have an issue where i own the game and it's DLCs on PC but the game doesn't run as well as i believed it would, so if i were to swap to playing on the console for better performance i would need to buy the DLCs that i own again. i think Starbreeze said that they're going to solve the issue at some point but with the state the game is in i have no clue how long that'll be.
All we can hope for is that they’ll make it better. The core things are all there, it has the potential to be awesome and if it isn’t, if they don’t decide to work on it this will absolutely be the straw that broke Starbreeze’s back.
I can remember vividly seeing that first DLC heist trailer and getting really excited to hop back in, getting home from work, booting up the game, and just how quickly it drained going over my loadout in a menu that sucks to interface with, and trying to convince any of my friends to reinstall just to play one heist. It hit then that we'd run the heist once, maybe twice, that'd run us maybe 1, 1 and a half hours before we'd simply be drained of any want to continue to "look for the fun". I think the game is great fun, but everything you brought up hits it clean on the head. What good is dropping 1 or 2 heists at a time, shifting numbers on some skills or guns, when down at the core of the game so much of the experience that everyone was wanting coming off of Payday 2 has regressed or is completely absent. I'm hopeful and optimistic that it'll get better though, I've seen this sort of thing in the Darktide release up till now, it happened several times in Payday 2, they just need to pack it in and really start banging out these severe issues not to appease us into buying more, but to get the game into the state we all wanted it to be in the first place
i think another major issue are the guns themselves, people default to the bronco usually as a secondary because of a hidden stat (that the game DOESNT TELL YOU ABOUT) called Armor Penetration, and its high damage basically guarantees a one tap on overkill, which can make a whole world of difference when you have no primary ammo; compared to the smgs however, you need to mag dump most enemies to kill one of them, Compared to PAYDAY 2, armor penetration was tied to a skill that, even then, you do not need to ace make any of the guns viable. Literally every gun in the game has that stat and everyone defaults to the highest value (that was datamined because, as i said, the game doesnt tell you about armor penetration) so they can breeze through the game. Weapon Diversity is important for the Payday series and 3 fails at that, until they implement a skill that either A: increases your armor penetration, or B: allow you to buy Armor Piercing Rounds for other guns; 3 is going to feel lackluster and not as engaging when it comes to gunplay
As soon as I heard it was online only, it was dead to me. By now Starbreeze has tried to perform necromancy on this corpse 50 times now, and I think they need to accept that no amount of magic is going to give it it's soul back.
I don't know who said this (it was only shared to me as an unlabeled Discord MP4, ick) but someone once described Halo: Infinite like this. Imagine you have a car, and it's an absolutely fantastic car from a technical/engine standpoint. It gets incredible mileage. It turns sharp. It stops on a dime. It's the most efficient car you could ever want. HOWEVER, the radio blares static, the air conditioner and heater are broken and both blast uncomfortably hot air, the upholstery sticks to your legs and leaves a residue on your back when you get out, and no matter how many air fresheners you put in that thing it smells like rotting possums and malt liquor stains. It doesn't matter __how__ good that car drives. You'll never want to take that car for a spin again. That's how they described Halo: Infinite, and I think that equally describes PAYDAY 3.
Honestly they have a surprising amount in common. Mainly in that they released with big promises while actually just slapping a new coat of paint over fundamental problems
@@ChainCJ tbh ready or not didn’t really feel as broken pre release tho??? feels more like the poured paint where the oil is supposed to go rather than put a fresh coat on the game
Ready or Not? What's wrong with it? As far as I am aware RoN doesn't have issues like PD3 does, not even close. Which parts of RoN are you dissatisfied with?
@@Casto3924 there was an expectation that suspect AI would be more consistent, or at least vaguely predictable, upon launch. Instead, the AI is roughly the same as pre-launch, frequently exhibiting superhuman reaction times and reflexes.
One thing they NEED to do is make an offline mode. This isn't even a negotiable thing, i played through every single heist on Payday 2 solo at least 3 times before i ever even considered playing it with people, and you just can't do that when it's required to be online. (Yes, i know it doesn't mean you're forced to play with people, but if you're solo heisting, you're still taking up a slot that someone who wants to play with people could use)
The biggest gripe I have with Payday 3 is Armor. From people I know who work with Starbreeze, the Armor system was like Payday 2's until closer to release before Mio wanted the system we got. There's no callouts for if you need armor, and Armor is such a vital resource and the go-to pick for equipment usually because there's no way to regain armor truthfully, the armor repair kit doesn't give you a plate, just fixes your damaged one. A way you can fix that is by having a chance where a plate can drop from cops, have skills that increase that chance or give you benefit for them. The drones on Syntax error really made be quit, though, they literally shred armor and the techie can just... hide anywhere she wants on the map, making it harder if she's hiding let's say near the lobby on the 2nd floor, or in a tucked away corner of the server rooms where cops are certainly crawling. Last time I played Payday 3 was mid-December, I haven't played since then because I want the game to get better so I don't get more mad at what it currently is. TL;DR: RAID:WW2 WINS AGAIN, BABY!
Every day I am more glad I immediately felt put off by pd3, my gut feeling when I saw those trailers and as more info was revealed over time hit that like instinctual feeling of "this will not go well" I just didn't quite realize just HOW MUCH was missing, holy fucking shit that's so bad. How can you have a game like pd2 where it was still shit but it was at least FUN shit where things worked and where pretty much everything you'd expect was there only to then unlearn actually everything and not have any of that knowledge for the next game.
The game gives you that bankrobber feel, when you look at your back account after buying and playing it. Starbreeze needs to seriously overhaul and finish their game, just a year of 2 of DLC for free added and then it might be better than payday 2 And by god was that game rediculous, I love it but I still hate pd2 for changing the dark night opening scene bankrobber game into 300 forgetful characters and weapon packs, don't forget about safes and keys being paid before the community got pissed off and they changed their minds. Payday2 was greatest around big bank dlc, after that it was kind of downhill
the point of no return'll be when Wulf's heist game comes out for sure. if that game is the true successor to PD2 like they're saying it is then there's zero chance PD3 gets anyone back
I 100% completed the game in a relative sense. I put over 270 hours into the game and ignoring the fact of the insane challenges like heist completions, I've 100% all achievements, heists in stealth and loud, guns, and levels. - Level is only 134 but considering the insane grind, it is for those after you've done 100% that you still have more to do, but relatively I have only moved on due to doing everything in the game. I have had a pretty normal experience when it comes to the game. I knew I'd love it. Only small issues is always online and finding games with people but the challenges kept me occupied until I did everything. So mostly the uninterrupted flow of the experience made it enjoyable. But I don't ignore the glaring issues. - I just really wanted to earn my money's worth and I did that 3 times over.
Coming back to this video about a month later and after seeing what they say they have in store for Operation Medic Bag, I want this game to be good, I truly do, and I hope that they can fix what they need to. I was there from Payday 2's beta, people forget the launch for Payday 2 was pretty bad too, but just like, this far in it feels like they should have known better? Like yeah sure I'm sure there was some kind of cycling of staff done between games, but I would have thought baseline features that Payday 2 had like you've mentioned, mostly social features (chat, unreadying in the lobby, indicating what kind of heist you're doing) not being there really makes the difference. The game just isn't as fun, and that's sad, because the base gunplay is actually really fucking good, it's clear that's where they spent most of their time. I can only hope they pull this one back from the brink like they did with PD2 multiple times.
I still play the game every so often because I truly do like the gameplay in some ways. Just they really just thought they could get away with an online only game with no offline mode. Reminds me of Back 4 Blood since I was also pretty hyped for that game. The lack of an offline mode with progression was one of the biggest problems at launch for it. It still amazes me how companies think online only is a good idea. Not only does it turn away a good chunk of players, it puts your game on a time limit. One day the game will just die and be unplayable. It’s so sad because with all the cool things they did, it feels like they took 100 steps back for each one.
My biggest problem is the current system for armour, it makes combat less intense and enemies feel like they have been weakened to compensate for it. It also feels kind of pointless because the game could have the same feeling of resource management if they made ammo pickup more restrictive. WIth the right tuning, fully regenerating armour could improve the game a lot, especially pseudo-stealth, because right now getting caught in stealth is basically game over unless you are at the very end of a heist.
I feel mostly the same, aye! I still have the game installed, I play every now and then. But I really think it's a death by a thousand cuts for PD3. The core gameplay is awesome, especially the improved stealth over PD2. It's just the progression, UI, lack of carried over QoL from PD2's later years, and general feeling of it being unfinished that's holding it back. Now I said "just" but that's a LOT. I do agree that all of this is mendable, and it entirely depends on how this new team they put together to address these issues moves forward with things in 2024. I truly hope we get some momentum going on UI adjustments first and foremost, because I'd say it's the most important right now. Unready button, proper loadout categorization for primaries and secondaries, communication options for console players. Need stuff like that to just make the game more bearable to interact with in the first place. Beyond that, I hope to see more heists that are on the quality level of what we've gotten so far. Because I really do enjoy them. Especially Gold and Sharke, Under the Surphaze and the new DLC heist as well.
Pushed all the way to lvl 100 surprised i made it that far as i and my friends were bored to hell, haven't touched the game since and it's sad to see that they haven't made much progress towards anything in the time that I haven't touched it and it would be sad to see the game shut-down and we may quite possibly see Starbreeze as a studio shutdown and I may not know a whole lot about game development but i just don't get how they messed it up this badly it's almost like they said take everything gamers hate or what made payday good and just throw it out the window, it's honestly a shame. > No offline Mode > No way to preplan or join lobbies of those looking for loud or silent > No voice chat > No improved mask customisation > no unique enemy spawns making the game feel linear > Forced challenges in order to lvl up > Pointless live streams from the devs when asked questions it's either ''we'll think about it'' or ''we don't know'' > Servers still unstable > No regen on health or armour making the game tedious and frustrating > Not being able to play due to server issues but still having the audacity to bring out paid DLC felt like such a slap in the face from the devs > I noticed the devs giving out free goodies for the game to streamers who were then promoting the game trying to get people who are unaware of the state of this game to buy it is just disgusting of course no hate to the streamers > honestly just Almir doing this 😎👊 whenever servers get fixed for like 2 minutes and are then down again Decided to check out the recent dev stream and from a comment I saw i can't confirm nor deny since i didn't want to dedicate my time but apparently theirs no plans for anything this month for the game, no Server fixes, bug fixes, QOL, heists, mask nothing which I think may be an early sign that this game may be done for judging by the fact that only around 200 people are playing and I'm sure that number is much less by this point (not including console) and considering one of the devs is only lvl 44 it seems like even devs don't want to play their own game. I absolutely love payday as a whole and it just sucks seeing something you love just get absolutely destroyed I think the biggest heist was Starbreeze taking our money and this being the end product, Overall I want the game to succeed but the devs seem stuck in their ways and with no real changes being done I think this might possibly be the end for Starbreeze as I think only a miracle help them at this point. Those of you who may also remember this is the 3rd game that Starbreeze have messed up, Raid WW2, The walking dead game, and now this one so they have had plenty of chances in all honesty
It really hurts to see this series fall the way it has, me and my friends were so excited pre-launch, we loved the first 3 days of early access and were very excited for the future, and then launch day hit. Ever since then we played it on and off maybe stomaching 1 or 2 heists before the boredom sets in. But now i've had the game uninstalled for over a month and i've felt no motivation to go back to it.
I've loved your stuff since I stumbled onto it a few years ago. I was uncertain of PD3, but your preview gave me hope it would be good. I was planning on buying the game after the first major sale, but the launch and your streams convinced me I shouldn't.
I haven't played PD3 in a MONTH. We haven't got any new content in almost 2 MONTHS. This is one of my favorite games of all time already, and I haven't played it in A MONTH.
payday 2 was great fun to come back to from time to time after having done all the content numerous times, I have absolutely no want to play all of the payday 3 missions once. And they're releasing paid dlc already, almost like its a whole new studio from when payday 2 was created 8|
I loved it during the early access, it felt so fresh and great. Full release when servers went down, and then the greater issues really set it like the lack of content, lack of updates, a lot of what seems to me like easy qol fixes, offline mode, pre game chat, etc.
I guess this is a bit late by a few days but Now that i've played payday 3 i feel like i cant go back to payday 2, like I wont have fun in it. I was expecting Payday 3 to be basically a facelift/update for payday 2, I was expecting updated mechanics (which we got), gunplay that feels better (which we got), enemy AI that doesn't shit itself when there's more than 12 units on the map (which we got, I think), but everything we got in payday 3 is so small scale compared to payday 2, the stealth is one my favourite ways to play but everything really plays the same like you said. I never had gripes with the challenge system since it forced me to try new things, which albeit did put a damper on my mood sometimes if I had to do challenges for a weapon that was just not that good, but trying different builds or playing outside of your comfort zone isn't really an issue its an opportunity. I think the reason people were complaining so much about was because of the lack of options. Weapon customization feels a lot more dumbed down, its all basic attachments compared to payday 2 where you could change basically the entire profile of a gun, and it still feels like there's a "best attachment" for everything like you don't really see funny builds or aesthetic builds, plus its hard to tell what exactly everything does without any real stats. Just + or - isn't really communicating that very well. The perks are nice and it feels like there's something that's pretty viable in every tree, but I don't feel very specialized in a heist, I personally liked being the drill guy who always had the drill perks so everyone else could run whatever they wanted, I felt like a corner stone. But now everyone does the same things just jumping through different hoops to get to it. TL;DR, payday 3 is gourmet payday to me; it feels amazing and I love it, but its portion size is so small the quality doesn't really justify it. if only I had the buffet of payday 2 with the quality of payday 3.
What grinds my loins is that PD2 was the blueprint for an amazing COOP game. And they still fucked it up. You can keep huffing copium all day, but the steam numbers ain't lying.
Игры
I think they fumbled it
No shit
Maybe, just maybe
They arm-punted the bag
Haven't played for a few months so I assumed the game might've fell off a bit, but seeing it in the triple digit player count was baffling.
gawd damn
It's insane how hard they fumbled the bag when the game is ALL ABOUT GETTING BAGS.
this must be true coming from vergil devil may cry five
is that master halo from halo???
@@arandomcommenter412 hamster beef
Na, it's actually Halo Guy!
Na, it's actually Halo Guy!
It’s honestly very sad, I feel bad about all of the issues and how it’s almost like the devs learned nothing from payday 2, people argue how payday 2 wasn’t that good at launch, it’s like they forgot all of the learning they got from payday 2 and restarted with payday 3.
hell, it feels like they forgot everything from game design in general, it doesn't even feel like PDTH, let alone PD2.
Because it's not the same team that was around for launch PD2. The core team is almost completely different, there's only very few people left from the PD:TH days.
overkill has fucked up for years, I really don't understand how so many people are surprised when they've fumbled so many updates in payday 2.
The argument of "so what that the game X is bad at launch, don't you remember that the game Y was also bad at launch" is so stupid, it literally points out that the developers didn't learn anything from the launch of their previous game.
In Payday 2 at launch, there was a skill that made bagging loot quicker. After Update 100, it was gone because *everybody* took it. In Payday 3 at launch, there is a skill that makes bagging loot faster. The only reason Last Man Standing got nerfed was because someone remembered the Swan Song nerf which took THAT skill from 9 seconds down to 6. They have forgotten everything, and it's a crying shame.
They didn’t just fumble the bag, they shot it with an anarchist berserker crit build.
They forgot to put a silencer in a stealth heist.
Thanks to the way they remapped the controls, they didn't fumble the bag until after they chucked a grenade ahead of it.
This is my favorite string of words ever put together.
@@MiGujack3they were too late to answer the pager
Y'know how back then people would compare Payday and L4D in a friendly-ish way (even the devs recognized it), P3 could be compared to B4B; the more you look at it, the more reminiscent it is. Especially treatment-wise.
I can kinda see where its coming from, but I think B4B and PD3 are almost the complete inverse with where their problems lie. B4B had a completely rotten core, it had absolutely abysmal gunplay, which meant that even if everything else was great it would have just been awful anyway.
PD3 actually has some really great core mechanics/gunplay/stealth, but everything else surrounding that is pretty awful.
I think pd3 is a hell of a lot more impressive than B4B because there are very few games that really go out of their way with the gunplay and make shooting thats still really engaging.
@@johntravoltage959 Sure, there's hope at least. But the online-only is something I could only abide to go with if the game they're selling is an actual great game, a masterpiece. And PD3 despite having the potential to be good, it's not gonna be a masterpiece, let's face it. And the game being one that's gonna be absolutely filled with DLCs doesn't help at all.
@@elcobra98 Online-only is uncalled for even for 10/10 masterpieces. It adds nothing in most cases, and often makes the game unplayable after a decade. Raise your standards hah
@@elcobra98 I agree, but I don't think a game being online only immediately brings it to B4B tier effort.
I also don't think that pd3 is necessarily that impossible to turn into something good. I don't like that it feels like its the same, but Payday 2 on launch to me felt pretty similar aside from more serious technical issues, and a big difference in the progression. Aside from that though I don't think they are really that far apart, and because of that I don't think its impossible for it to just end up being another payday 2. But that does suck, especially what you point out regarding dlc.
@@updog4L Alright, believe me I was cooking a walltext about this but I somehow lost the whole thing so, tldr:
I had the crew bc I really wanted a game like it, suffered bc its online only, game is shutting down.
I would only abide to play an online only for a game that I've been longing for a long time and I feel it covers 99% of my gaming needs, any less is a no-no, and I'm impressed players dismiss online-only so much; it's not about "haha get a better connection" problem as much as it's about the thing shutting down whenever the devs want it to.
For me, for anything lesser than perfect, is not even worth considering, especially with online-only. Payday 3 doesn't look like it will get much better; it's just not 'masterpiece material'.
I still can't believe how even with the experience of developing PD:TH and PD2 they could've fumbled so bad that the game lacked core features that were in the previous games (server browser, ability to votekick, voice chat, preplanning, ability to stay with the crew after finishing the heist etc.).
There's a theory that the publisher pushed for P3's release when it wasn't ready
deep silver
Also it's a lot of new people directing and developing it, I don't think the skills/experience translated completely from PD2 days. That or publisher issues as others say
A lot of old devs left and newer devs joined the team and it shows.
@@Moonerang seems like a case of Battlefield and Dice
inb4 Overkill announce that they're going to go back and make more DLC for Payday 2 to keep the lights on.
It honestly wouldn't surprise me. I still see several of my friends who own Payday 3 and Payday 2 logging into 2. 2 was made into a success. 3 fumbled into everything wrong with modern games and I just don't see a way to save it.
Unfortunately payday 3 paid made enough money to cover the development costs 8 days after release
@@Spokenwordwas the mass refunds ever accounted into this? Cause I know myself and a fuck load of other PC players refunded pretty much instantly
They said they are doing that
For the love of God, if they're gonna dish out more content at least push for that relic they call "Diesel Engine" to make 64-bit builds cause the ram usage is getting too close to the 3.2gb limit.
Context: 32-bit apps on windows crash if their total memory consumption surpasses around 3.23gb.
As soon as I knew Ethan and Hila were not confirmed for the game I knew it was over.
Teehee, sarcasm.
The best way i can describe PD3 is "what's the point of new content if the way you approach the content inconveniences you on every single step of the way"
It's like they saw someone restart a heist because nobody brought a medic bag, and said "Yes, that's it. That's Payday, baby."
since this video the servers have become even slower and theres a whole lot more waiting on the menu for buying attatchments items etc and buddy it is Awful
Dear Lord O_O
I still remember when the news of PD3 being "always online" first surfaced, I decided to wait with a purchase and things only seem to get worse as the time goes on
@@konradzukowski213
I will never understand why they thought always on was a good idea.
@@ninochaosdrache3189Starbreeze when you don't pay for P2W DLCs: (insert man complaining about a computer screen here)
It is crazy to me that they sold this game as a "co-op" game with barely any co-op elements in it... barely any options of communication (on console none at all really), lack of kicking griefing/AFK players, lack of UI (e.g. if you are in a party in the main menu, you cannot see your teammates with their builds at all), disbanding public lobbies after a heist is over, matchmaking mostly giving you empty lobbies, no lobby filter (e.g. loud/stealth), the list goes ON and ON and ON...
i remember literally having to wait for the swat to kill an afk teammate so that we could complete the heist. he respawned from custody before we could get out and we had to wait for them to kill him again. absolutely nothing else we could have done
the devs & the publisher don't care about you, the player, all they care about is CASH MONAYYYYY
which idiots will give them willingly...
Yeah people that cry about being kicked weren't gonna stay with the game anyway. I liked the dictatorial kicking at least if the griefing gets to the right person they're kicked.
@@Gurnu They sure have made that CRYSTAL clear now. Not all of us wanted to believe that, and some of us had hope there were some devs with passion for the game.... Apparently not.
When out of all Starbreeze Partners, Mario uploads a video about state of Payday, then you know something is wrong.
tf is a Starbreeze Partner? sounds like a Gundam subtitle
@@krodmandoon3479 Star breeze partners are actual payday 2 content creators, like our very own marioinatophat here, who are widely known in the community who now actually have (more) direct contact with Star breeze.
Basically they made the h3h3 pack and realized "fuck we should just stick to our own community"
That moment when a "only fun videos" content maker makes a video like this... you realize that the end is near.
Ovenkill try to release one functional videogame that isn't payday 2 challenge (impossible)
The funny thing is Payday 2 was on a Engine that created for Racing with car. Not a Cops vs Robbers type of game. And still that does more than PD3. But like..... PD3 just lacks alot of things. Very slow update, A New Content YEYYY- Its dlc... Well time to go back to square one. Whats the point of buying payday if the %80 of content behind dlcs... This is where dlc unlockers come in. But you cant use it anymore so I think PD3 Would be the same... new content BUT BEHIND DLC.
@@friendlyfire3412 Being fair, Diesel engine wasn't great at doing racing games either.
@@elcobra98 yeah, to nobody's surprise the driving in PD2, an fps programmed in a racing engine, was terrible
The sweet irony
@@3dDoener It could be BEARABLE if they at least bothered in making more than just one fucking hitbox for every vehicle (looking at you forklift)
Also being fair: Payday 2 was pretty dog water at launch as well. Not to the extent that Payday 3 was, but man - all of my friends and I went back to playing L4D and PD:TH within like two days lol
I love the fact that payday 3 just looks like an upscaled mobile game lmao
Yep. Bags were fumbled. HARD.
also keep in mind that in the cheat menu there is an option to start an offline game, and the devs WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY to specifically not have it in the normal game
Considering it's a waffle you've nailed pretty much everything wrong with the game. Sucks to be 4 months in and feel as though I have the same level of fatigue as 10 years of Payday 2 gradually gave me. Here's hoping they turn things round soon
Even 10 years of Payday 2 didn't give me as much burnout as literally a few days of 3. Even now I still hop on PD2 to do some dumb wacky build or play with a random crew to see how many heists we can get through.
Meanwhile in PD3... What's the dumbest, weirdest, wackiest build you can even think of?
When you said "PAYDAY 3 takes PAYDAY 2 and improves it in every conceivable way", what did you mean, exactly? Because surely the April build couldn't match that description. What were you talking about, 4 months ago? PAYDAY 3 being bad isn't news.
@@UnintelligibleYT Thats your opinion
@@UnintelligibleYT He's literally a paid shill, bro...
@@somerandomgamer8504yeah there's like 2 wacky builds you can make and it sucks, because infinite nade spam without taking self damage and ziv commando with flash skills are fun to use, too bad it's limited to like those two options.
All they had to do was give PD2 a facelift, the formula for that game was so good by the end they literally made ends meet by just churning out content for it. For me, the "skills" system with G/R/E killed it immediately, just wasn't fun maintaining simple buffs.
Yeah, considering how loved payday 2 was despite it's constant fuck ups (lack of story straight into rushed as hell story, the drill fiasco, epic games integration, the sheer AMOUNT of DLC, the h3h3 pack, the addition of more DLC after they promised no more, there's so much more I can't even think of off the top of my head), they had a golden opportunity here and completely fucked it up.
Its crazy how good the UI aesthetic and design consistency carried the Pd2 experience now in retrospective.
Seriously. If they just stole the entirety of how the menus looked and worked from payday 2 and slapped it on payday 3, I don't think ANYONE would complain. And honestly? It would be completely ok if they did that until they were confident they had something else that'd work
@@Evanflame-rk9xuFunnily enough, that’s exactly what they did for the prototype build that’s started surfacing.
I kinda forgot that Payday 3 even released. It's a shame that they messed up the launch, I feel like that it could cement the death of the genre for a decade if this game gets shut off soon. Not only will any bank robbing game be declared a Payday clone but publishers and shareholders won't dare to fund the making of a bank robbing game after seeing how this game went.
Online only. Third part servers. EAC.
The three horsemen of bad games.
Don't forget: horrible communication with community
They fumbled the bag hard. They fumbled the bag so hard it tore open and everything in the bag scattered on the floor and broke. Now, of course, they could pick up every piece, glue everything back together, stitch the bag up, and return everything to normal, but will they? Can they?
As someone in the xbox reviews said they pulled the greatest heist ever… on the fans
Starbreeze in general has been just terrible with communication throughout this whole thing (as always). The fact they're only now reaching out is too little too late.
Still the best total conversion for Back4Blood imo
Even though Back4Blood had a lot of problems and stupid game design decisions, it was fun to play. I liked to overcome with friends and go through it, from the start to the end it changed quite a lot, but on the whole it remained the same. The 800 hours from early access to the very end of the game was worth it.
Looking at Payday 3, it doesn’t even come close to being comparable to B4B for me, starting with the state of the game and servers and ending with their (Starbreeze) attitude towards the DLC.
both games honestly had their strong gameplay set back by bad marketing and gamebreaking issues, aleast b4b got its shit together in the next 2 years of its lifespan and was actually extremely likable by its EOL (which actually was more upsetting to hear than i would've thought at the beginning of its livespan). pd3 hasnt hit that yet, and i know they likely can, but its hard to consider it when everyone and their dog just considers it dead on arrival. I like pd3, i like the gameplay and i know they can fix the issues, but at this point its likely just going to be tossed and the franchise will dissove soon.
@@sorsuWait, b4b is good now?
@@Dr.Oofers by the second major update id say it was "fun" and worth playing, but thats opinionated. but yes, they turned themselves around for a good while until tencent bought the company and then they decided to "go quiet"
I love when developers release early access games disguised as full release games!
I think one of the only things you might've forgotten to mention is the progression system, which, I would think would work better as a cyclic progression system than this long endless journey that they seem so adamant to keep around. Payday 2 had this satisfying *mmph* to the Risk bonus where you would just see levels soar by on the results screen, and each infamy point after that is relatively attainable like once per week.
It's a balanced system to keep people playing because then you get both the early dopamine, and then the slower but progressing infamy system with many options.
I know Payday 3 now has its own answer to the infamy system but I just don't see anyone sticking around long enough to actually use it. I think there is still a lot that should be done about progression and feeling rewarded after a heist, especially with increased difficulty. Better to splurge players with too much of the stuff if it makes the journey more satisfying than being overly stingy.
totally agree, even with the recent changes to receiving IP after heist completion its just not a system i can see ever working in the game and i kinda just hope they gut it and replace it with a traditional xp system lolllll
I tried to hold on for as long as I could, all my friends uninstalled months ago but I still hopped on to play solo occasionally just because I like the gunplay so much. The dlc was the last straw, almost half the games price again for a couple maps and a shit new enemy while ignoring all the community requests for QoL is a slap in the face.
Man, I remember pointing out the writing on the wall. The terrible UI, the complete lack of randomisation, the bland feeling, the online-only, the lack of content; and I was laughed at. "Oh, it's a beta build! Oh, it's a few months old! Oh, it'll all be fixed for launch!" It's like people thought Overkill would magically fix it with noone giving feedback on how terrible it was, and do it in such a tiny timeframe.
I feel like I'm onto something, can someone else look at OVK's the walking dead UI and Payday 3 side by side? It matches in too many places, except for some reason they removed the crime-net-esque map from 3
Here's the thing. People wanted to believe they put in something that was just barely enough to get players from point A to point B because how could it possibly be that garbage when they have the most lovingly crafted UI to borrow from? People wanted to believe it only looked and performed crap because that stuff comes way after the core system is dealt with. People wanted to think the first level in the game wasn't especially deep just because the first one didn't really need to be.
Like, what kind of cynic thinks they would take that allegedly months-old build and decide to go gold with it? One that was proven right, apparently.
you forgot "oh, it only just came out!", "oh, it's only the first patch!", "oh, it's only the second patch!" (you are here) and my personal favorite, "there's always the next game"
@@merepseu
"what kind of cynic thinks they would take that allegedly months-old build and decide to go gold with it?"
A Battlefield veteran thinks that. A Battlefield veteran... **Watches DICE murdering the franchise with 2042**
i am honestly so glad that my collectors edition never came through and got cancelled before payment because they couldn't send one out because they never got any to deliver. in hindsight dodged a huge bullet there. sad to see where this game got to.
I actually did commit to playing Payday 3 every day as the "standard" game I boot up when getting home for a few weeks after the latest DLC, and I love the gunplay it's rewarding and satisfying, it is the only real good thing I think about when looking at Payday 3 in my library, and I've mostly stopped playing at this point because life is too short. It's insane to me that having the gunplay being the only thing standing out in a pile of shit with UI that comes from your local 10 minute "how to make a console UI game" tutorial, to no QoL features, to it being online only, but you get thrown out of the lobby the second the heist finishes. "Coop game" my ass! the people playing with me might as well be bots for all the cooping we are doing with no communication or interaction, I might notice having fewer armor plates and that's it. The fact that I can't search for a loud or stealth only heist means I either play alone, get extremely lucky finding not console players to coordinate with if they even know there is a chat box in the dogshit that is the lobby UI, or have to sit through gold&shark stealth again for the 50th time this evening. I don't know how a team with this much experience in developing payday 2 can fuck up the parts that should be a direct translation from Payday 2, yet still make gunplay so satisfying. I agree with everything said in this video and I hope they turn the ship around but unless I start seeing them actually do something and not just throw DLC at me, Payday 3 will probably rot up in my library, I fear the worst fate for this game in 2024.
>I don't know how a team with this much experience in developing payday 2 can fuck up the parts that should be a direct translation
They forgor 💀. Fr though, I think both their leadership and dev teams are new and/or inexperienced, because the UI issues are extremely similar to Overkill's The Walking Dead. That or they just didn't learn lol
@@updog4Li TOTALLY FORGOT about that game. and hey, remember raid: ~~shadow legends~~ ww2? wow, starbreeze hasn't made a good game in years, huh? lmao
@@blueyandicy Raid was developed by Lion game lion (sister studio) using Diesel engine, Overkill weren't involved in their development so really only the publishing side took a L.
I played the early access for the gold edition and after 95mins, 3 complete heists I was like "I waited 10 years, for this shit? Nah man, it aint right. *Checks steam time played* Well at least I can get my money back. Maybe in a year I'll check again."
And this far I had no urge to lookup anything PD3 related and since I'm subbed here I obviously checked it out only to be informed that nothings changed :'(
I stopped playing Payday 3 after a few weeks mainly cause of matchmaking issues, and I decided to give fighting games a go despite the fact that like a year ago I kinda said “eh, fighting games just aren’t my thing”. I have come to realize though that turns out, they really are my thing, so thanks Payday 3 for fumbling the bag so hard it made me discover my love for an entirely different genre of games
The current mood of a lot of Payday 3 content creators mirrors how a lot of Halo content creators felt after Infinite's launch.
That is not a good thing.
Don’t remind me, I miss bungee so much, I hate that they’re dead too, or at least might as well be if they’re gonna keep churning out garbage
Halo Infinite and Payday 3, twins of being trash months after launch. :(
at least halo infinite is a great game now… couple years after launch
@@callmeidk1682 I wouldn't call it great. The forge is great. Multi-player still doesn't feel like Halo and the story is still as awful as ever.
@@callmeidk1682 it’s not even great still
Everytime i try playing payday 3 again it just makes me go back to 2 or even the heist
I've been playing since PDTH and couldn't stop playing PD2 for years, but with PD3 I played in the first month and I just can't bring myself to keep playing it. I think it's the large number of small issues that you mentioned which actively deters me from even bothering, plus that social aspect is almost completely gone. I made so many friends that I still play other games with today because of PDTH and PD2 because of how social it was. Plus the DLC pricing is an absolute scam.
The old OVERKILL team is pretty much gone and they took their talent with them (which considering the shit that Bo and others pulled I don't blame them at all for doing); what made Payday so special can only be recreated by the original team. As harsh as it might sound, I don't think the current devs have that shared passion or mindset anymore. I hope they pull it back and address the issues plaguing the game but it takes a lot of time to implement what people are suggesting, so by the time they finish it it could be too late.
It's all just so sad to see as a veteran player.
i got into payday 3 a bit later than most people, it wasnt until the first big update dropped that i really played it, because the optimization is so poor i couldnt play it on my previous setup. but i upgraded my PC just for this game because payday means that much to me yknow? but even with my late start, i've pretty much fallen off of it, i hit about infamy 100~ ish, and going back to play anymore sounds so unappealing because i just cant find any lobbies with randos. either ive got a pre-made group of three or four friends ready to play payday 3, or i don't play it at all. it really is fun at its core but its got so much stuff around it that drags the entire thing down its hard to reckon with.
also, i'm terrified of the microtransactions they have in the game files. if they actually push those any time soon, the games legitimately over. one more PR knock that bad and this game is sincerely probably never going to recover, those stupid suits and masks in the files are just sitting there like ticking timebombs
I feel bad for all the payday content creators out there who make amazing stuff and have basically been shafted because the game is currently so devoid of life. You guys deserve better.
Had a script in the works of everything I found was an issue, I've basically scrapped the whole thing because editing a really long video on a game I just don't like right now is exhausting to consider. I don't like being so negative, and finding the positives is hard right now.
"online-only as anti-cheat measure"
Man they NEVER got over Pirate Perfection, did they?
They didn't fumble the bag, we were the bag and they got it
It's missing soul. Payday 1 was made by a ragtag group that wanted to play around with the idea of playing as the bad guys, it was low stakes and mostly done for fun. Payday 2 was a continuation of that with higher stakes, they realized the fanbase that they had and understood that they needed to make a fun experience, but the original idea and concepts were still there. When Payday 3 came about, it was like "Well, these things are in other games and people play those" so they added the armor system like so many current shooters have, and added MOBA-like buffs to be the center point of their skills. They abandoned the simple concept to be something that Payday wasn't ever, as if they weren't trying to keep the old fanbase but to garner a new one off of the fanbases of other games. Payday 3 was made with no soul, it was made to sell a game, sell DLC, and sell microtransactions, it's just another shooter now. The real reason that it's online only is to stop people from pirating the game to maximize profits, but as a consequence nobody can truly own the game, if the Payday 2 servers go down you can still experience 99.9% of the game (all I can think of is OverDrill and some weapon mods) meanwhile if Payday 3 servers go down, the game is gone, you can't play it.
The only cheats they were worried about were the DLC unlockers... I'm sure that is why they implemented the always online. You pretty much nailed it on the cons... Lack of crime net, social features (proper text chat on all consoles and voice chat), the UI and the progression system stop me from playing the game. I only play for a few hours when new content drops because I do not want to deal with this matchmaking system where ppl just insta leave when we go loud. It is sad to see this game flop hard and get yet another "wait for a year to be good" game... Even if the game had a stable launch I'm sure it would still have the same player number as it has now with these questionable design choices and constant "this was added post PD2 launch" from devs on basic QoL features like lobby settings (min lvl, loud/stealth indicator and vote kick) or even a jukebox that the modders already did.
running into a pd2 lobby without a DLC unlocker or someone blatantly cheating is an impossible task nowadays, the fact that cheating is referenced in game and in songs its hard to deny always online was to at least curbtail the rampant "Qol mods :)" that players cheat with.
I could ramble about my issues with Payday 3 for hours but I am not sure if I want to use up my energy.
ive never been so bored when playing a game. like its cool for 5 minutes then something breaks and i just leave
Aside from the servers, imo Payday 3 has other issues that are small but numerous and it is hard for me personally to point out which problems contribute to the bad state of the game the most but it just feels off. After a heist or two I just don't really feel like playing and for me personally the challenges have been making me feel (atleast slightly) pressured to play with the guns I don't really like, especially now that I'm left with the ones I was avoiding for as long as possible.
Didn’t expect A. Keeper to be here.
@@Dr.Oofers you will literally find mashups with beta (real) on my channel, so how in the world would anyone NOT expect to find me under the channel of the person I stole this gag from?
I really wanted to love it. I stopped playing after the first week and I can't bring myself to go back
finding out they brought back heist/gun dlcs when they SPECIFICALLY said they wouldnt, TWICE. *TWICE.*
very cool dunderkill!
its also hilarious they already started reusing maps, the two arent bad, but i think i can say no one wanted those maps (this is mainly for murky station than cook off, who legit asked for murky station)
its really sad how much it fell over, i had high hopes and low expectations, and they somehow made a bad game with a decade of work under their belt
I’m still not particularly sure why, but as soon as Update 237 dropped for PD2 I lost all interest in PD3. I wasn’t “boycotting” PD3 in response, like for some indescribable reason I legitimately just stopped caring about PD3 and ended up not buying it.
Thanks Update 237, you saved me like at least $40 👍
What happened in U237? Not an avid Payday player (I play mostly PDTH nowadays), so I'm kinda out of touch lol
@@elcobra98they introduced epic online services into the game and it broke a whole load of shit cuz it was rushed
@@elcobra98 I assume that we are talking about a release in EGS and a cross-platform.
@@elcobra98 Oh no problem lol
Update 237 for Payday 2 changed the Matchmaking system from Steam’s matchmaking services (which PD2 had been using since launch in 2013) to Epic Online Services, and was meant to coincide with Payday 2 launching on the Epic Games Store, initially for free.
This resulted in Matchmaking being completely broken, mods being broken, and tons of cheaters flooding the game since it was free on Epic Games Store. There were also concerns that people’s personal information was being harvested when interacting with Epic Online Services, since Epic themselves are owned by Tencent, a massive Chinese gaming company notorious for pushing bad business practices like micro transactions and data harvesting, stuff like that.
All of that stuff combined created a big controversy for PD2… which was quickly drowned out by PD2’s final heist being added a week later, and PD3’s hype train starting up maybe a week or so after that.
And like I said in my original comment, I wasn’t necessarily “mad”, just profoundly disappointed that Overkill/Starbreeze would make such an astronomically bad decision, and I lost interest in PD3. In retrospect, Update 237 helped me dodge a bullet 😅
@@AngelTwilight Still not sure what happened but could look up for it
Humble streamer SHOWS HUMILITY live on stream????
It released?
I didn't even notice.
Seems like I didn't miss anything either.
Their words vs actions really shows it all. The potential and good favor is being burned up quickly quick, if you don't want to be pessimistic then you don't gotta agree but this might end up as starbreeze's last hurah but it's not even going to be one of joy.
would love more of this type of video from you in the future, this was great.
1. I don't know why but I feel that SBZ has tied hands. Back in Payday 2, you could see and feel the support but in Payday 3, as much as they want to do stuff, I feel like there is someone holding them back, prioritizing other stuff. We could see that when Payday 3 launched. The game felt rushed but why? SBZ never released rushed content for Payday 2. Only problems that Payday 2's new content had was some bugs and stuff that needed nerf/buff that was fixed within a week
2. The other things I wanted to mention is the "Strike team". Yes, they wrote they put Strike team together to fix the game but who are they? Are they good developers who can really fix the game? Or are they veteran developers of failed games or developers who did bad and were fired for some reason. Since I see the rushed release with publisher being at fault, I wouldn't be surprised if someone at top hired the "failed developers" for the same reason why Payday 3 failed. Irresponsible actions
I just want to be realistic about Payday 3's future and not naive. I hope things will go better
First point - They had different publishers. Deep silver/Embracer as a whole are not known for their integrity and love of the artform. I don't think it's all on them though, maybe OVK's leadership isn't as good as it used to be.
I disagree about them never releasing rushed content. PD2 launched without cloakers, grenades or even basic weapon stats lol, not to mention lazy/reused DLC content, our standards were lower imo.
"Starbreeze never released rushed contant for Payday 2" lmao
Comment above mine points out launch issues but it went well beyond that. Gage Ninja Pack was so busted it prompted a mass rebalance of the entire game, which fundamentally changed core and integral parts of weapon mods and "types" of weapons, several crossover DLCs (which seemed to be the publisher's fault at least) were real stinkers, Overkill never figured out a way to make the 100+ melee weapons do anything engaging, and right up through post-White House was some pretty obvious and often uncreative level concept/asset reuse mixed in with the good stuff. Payday 2 was just halfway decent at very quickly brushing aside or ignoring rushed content, or more rarely fixing it. It matters for Payday 3 because this game has not fixed or even paved over its rushed elements and does not have a boatload of existing content to shore up flops- not that Payday 3's problems can ever be fixed just by adding new content.
@@updog4L I totaly forgot about Ulf era tbf
@@updog4L if they released a bunch of original payday 2 heists in 3 you know everybody would love it. Our standards haven't improved.
@@Evanflame-rk9xu Original in what sense? With original graphics, ai pathfinding and the same gameplay? That wouldn't sell well. And as we saw with early builds, they can't just press one button to port a heist
you hit the nail on the head with the issues the game has. the only thing that i can think of that hasn't been brought up in the video is that although the game has crossplay/cross-save, if you own DLC content on the PC it is unavailable on the console versions. i have an issue where i own the game and it's DLCs on PC but the game doesn't run as well as i believed it would, so if i were to swap to playing on the console for better performance i would need to buy the DLCs that i own again. i think Starbreeze said that they're going to solve the issue at some point but with the state the game is in i have no clue how long that'll be.
All we can hope for is that they’ll make it better. The core things are all there, it has the potential to be awesome and if it isn’t, if they don’t decide to work on it this will absolutely be the straw that broke Starbreeze’s back.
I can remember vividly seeing that first DLC heist trailer and getting really excited to hop back in, getting home from work, booting up the game, and just how quickly it drained going over my loadout in a menu that sucks to interface with, and trying to convince any of my friends to reinstall just to play one heist. It hit then that we'd run the heist once, maybe twice, that'd run us maybe 1, 1 and a half hours before we'd simply be drained of any want to continue to "look for the fun". I think the game is great fun, but everything you brought up hits it clean on the head. What good is dropping 1 or 2 heists at a time, shifting numbers on some skills or guns, when down at the core of the game so much of the experience that everyone was wanting coming off of Payday 2 has regressed or is completely absent. I'm hopeful and optimistic that it'll get better though, I've seen this sort of thing in the Darktide release up till now, it happened several times in Payday 2, they just need to pack it in and really start banging out these severe issues not to appease us into buying more, but to get the game into the state we all wanted it to be in the first place
i think another major issue are the guns themselves, people default to the bronco usually as a secondary because of a hidden stat (that the game DOESNT TELL YOU ABOUT) called Armor Penetration, and its high damage basically guarantees a one tap on overkill, which can make a whole world of difference when you have no primary ammo; compared to the smgs however, you need to mag dump most enemies to kill one of them, Compared to PAYDAY 2, armor penetration was tied to a skill that, even then, you do not need to ace make any of the guns viable. Literally every gun in the game has that stat and everyone defaults to the highest value (that was datamined because, as i said, the game doesnt tell you about armor penetration) so they can breeze through the game.
Weapon Diversity is important for the Payday series and 3 fails at that, until they implement a skill that either A: increases your armor penetration, or B: allow you to buy Armor Piercing Rounds for other guns; 3 is going to feel lackluster and not as engaging when it comes to gunplay
As soon as I heard it was online only, it was dead to me. By now Starbreeze has tried to perform necromancy on this corpse 50 times now, and I think they need to accept that no amount of magic is going to give it it's soul back.
Them having no request armor on the chat wheel is so weird when we know all the heisters have voicelines for requesting armor.
I don't know who said this (it was only shared to me as an unlabeled Discord MP4, ick) but someone once described Halo: Infinite like this.
Imagine you have a car, and it's an absolutely fantastic car from a technical/engine standpoint. It gets incredible mileage. It turns sharp. It stops on a dime. It's the most efficient car you could ever want.
HOWEVER, the radio blares static, the air conditioner and heater are broken and both blast uncomfortably hot air, the upholstery sticks to your legs and leaves a residue on your back when you get out, and no matter how many air fresheners you put in that thing it smells like rotting possums and malt liquor stains.
It doesn't matter __how__ good that car drives. You'll never want to take that car for a spin again.
That's how they described Halo: Infinite, and I think that equally describes PAYDAY 3.
i wanted to like it
i didn’t like it
hoping it can turn around, same with ready or not
Honestly they have a surprising amount in common. Mainly in that they released with big promises while actually just slapping a new coat of paint over fundamental problems
@@ChainCJ tbh ready or not didn’t really feel as broken pre release tho???
feels more like the poured paint where the oil is supposed to go rather than put a fresh coat on the game
Ready or Not? What's wrong with it? As far as I am aware RoN doesn't have issues like PD3 does, not even close.
Which parts of RoN are you dissatisfied with?
@@Casto3924 there was an expectation that suspect AI would be more consistent, or at least vaguely predictable, upon launch. Instead, the AI is roughly the same as pre-launch, frequently exhibiting superhuman reaction times and reflexes.
@@Casto3924 the biggest issue is ai having godlike reflexes making people unable to non lethal or clear missions at the hardest difficulty
You know things are bad when Maria drops a serious video
One thing they NEED to do is make an offline mode. This isn't even a negotiable thing, i played through every single heist on Payday 2 solo at least 3 times before i ever even considered playing it with people, and you just can't do that when it's required to be online. (Yes, i know it doesn't mean you're forced to play with people, but if you're solo heisting, you're still taking up a slot that someone who wants to play with people could use)
The biggest gripe I have with Payday 3 is Armor. From people I know who work with Starbreeze, the Armor system was like Payday 2's until closer to release before Mio wanted the system we got. There's no callouts for if you need armor, and Armor is such a vital resource and the go-to pick for equipment usually because there's no way to regain armor truthfully, the armor repair kit doesn't give you a plate, just fixes your damaged one. A way you can fix that is by having a chance where a plate can drop from cops, have skills that increase that chance or give you benefit for them.
The drones on Syntax error really made be quit, though, they literally shred armor and the techie can just... hide anywhere she wants on the map, making it harder if she's hiding let's say near the lobby on the 2nd floor, or in a tucked away corner of the server rooms where cops are certainly crawling. Last time I played Payday 3 was mid-December, I haven't played since then because I want the game to get better so I don't get more mad at what it currently is.
TL;DR: RAID:WW2 WINS AGAIN, BABY!
Amem brother, armor on this game is SO limiting
RAID WW2 MENTIONED!!! WHAT THE FUCK IS A WORKING STARBREEZE GAME 🗣️🗣️🗣️
@@blueyandicy wait until you see what the MUG Team (community members given permission to update the game) want to and are doing
10:48 *the bodyguard bank*
As a die hard PD1/PD2 veteran, please.....
Stop
Giving
Starbreeeze
Your
Money.
The soul of this company died years ago
I was there for all the talks you had leading up to payday 3s launch about possible bag fumblings
Every day I am more glad I immediately felt put off by pd3, my gut feeling when I saw those trailers and as more info was revealed over time hit that like instinctual feeling of "this will not go well"
I just didn't quite realize just HOW MUCH was missing, holy fucking shit that's so bad. How can you have a game like pd2 where it was still shit but it was at least FUN shit where things worked and where pretty much everything you'd expect was there only to then unlearn actually everything and not have any of that knowledge for the next game.
The game gives you that bankrobber feel, when you look at your back account after buying and playing it.
Starbreeze needs to seriously overhaul and finish their game, just a year of 2 of DLC for free added and then it might be better than payday 2
And by god was that game rediculous, I love it but I still hate pd2 for changing the dark night opening scene bankrobber game into 300 forgetful characters and weapon packs, don't forget about safes and keys being paid before the community got pissed off and they changed their minds.
Payday2 was greatest around big bank dlc, after that it was kind of downhill
the point of no return'll be when Wulf's heist game comes out for sure. if that game is the true successor to PD2 like they're saying it is then there's zero chance PD3 gets anyone back
Never going to be as good as Payday 2 pre border crossing.
0:38 when the ramblers get rambling
I 100% completed the game in a relative sense.
I put over 270 hours into the game and ignoring the fact of the insane challenges like heist completions, I've 100% all achievements, heists in stealth and loud, guns, and levels. - Level is only 134 but considering the insane grind, it is for those after you've done 100% that you still have more to do, but relatively I have only moved on due to doing everything in the game. I have had a pretty normal experience when it comes to the game. I knew I'd love it. Only small issues is always online and finding games with people but the challenges kept me occupied until I did everything. So mostly the uninterrupted flow of the experience made it enjoyable. But I don't ignore the glaring issues. - I just really wanted to earn my money's worth and I did that 3 times over.
Coming back to this video about a month later and after seeing what they say they have in store for Operation Medic Bag, I want this game to be good, I truly do, and I hope that they can fix what they need to. I was there from Payday 2's beta, people forget the launch for Payday 2 was pretty bad too, but just like, this far in it feels like they should have known better? Like yeah sure I'm sure there was some kind of cycling of staff done between games, but I would have thought baseline features that Payday 2 had like you've mentioned, mostly social features (chat, unreadying in the lobby, indicating what kind of heist you're doing) not being there really makes the difference. The game just isn't as fun, and that's sad, because the base gunplay is actually really fucking good, it's clear that's where they spent most of their time.
I can only hope they pull this one back from the brink like they did with PD2 multiple times.
I still play the game every so often because I truly do like the gameplay in some ways. Just they really just thought they could get away with an online only game with no offline mode. Reminds me of Back 4 Blood since I was also pretty hyped for that game. The lack of an offline mode with progression was one of the biggest problems at launch for it. It still amazes me how companies think online only is a good idea. Not only does it turn away a good chunk of players, it puts your game on a time limit. One day the game will just die and be unplayable. It’s so sad because with all the cool things they did, it feels like they took 100 steps back for each one.
My biggest problem is the current system for armour, it makes combat less intense and enemies feel like they have been weakened to compensate for it.
It also feels kind of pointless because the game could have the same feeling of resource management if they made ammo pickup more restrictive. WIth the right tuning, fully regenerating armour could improve the game a lot, especially pseudo-stealth, because right now getting caught in stealth is basically game over unless you are at the very end of a heist.
I do hope Payday 3 makes a rebound at some point, but I’m also really interested to see what Den of Wolves ends up being
I feel mostly the same, aye!
I still have the game installed, I play every now and then. But I really think it's a death by a thousand cuts for PD3. The core gameplay is awesome, especially the improved stealth over PD2. It's just the progression, UI, lack of carried over QoL from PD2's later years, and general feeling of it being unfinished that's holding it back. Now I said "just" but that's a LOT.
I do agree that all of this is mendable, and it entirely depends on how this new team they put together to address these issues moves forward with things in 2024. I truly hope we get some momentum going on UI adjustments first and foremost, because I'd say it's the most important right now. Unready button, proper loadout categorization for primaries and secondaries, communication options for console players. Need stuff like that to just make the game more bearable to interact with in the first place.
Beyond that, I hope to see more heists that are on the quality level of what we've gotten so far. Because I really do enjoy them. Especially Gold and Sharke, Under the Surphaze and the new DLC heist as well.
i jus bought this impulsively and now i’m shitting my pants
All PAYDAY 3 needs is the Among Us collab and BOOM Game Saved
I went into PD3 blind at launch and had it refunded. Its an unsalvagable mess.
Pushed all the way to lvl 100 surprised i made it that far as i and my friends were bored to hell, haven't touched the game since and it's sad to see that they haven't made much progress towards anything in the time that I haven't touched it and it would be sad to see the game shut-down and we may quite possibly see Starbreeze as a studio shutdown and I may not know a whole lot about game development but i just don't get how they messed it up this badly it's almost like they said take everything gamers hate or what made payday good and just throw it out the window, it's honestly a shame.
> No offline Mode
> No way to preplan or join lobbies of those looking for loud or silent
> No voice chat
> No improved mask customisation
> no unique enemy spawns making the game feel linear
> Forced challenges in order to lvl up
> Pointless live streams from the devs when asked questions it's either ''we'll think about it'' or ''we don't know''
> Servers still unstable
> No regen on health or armour making the game tedious and frustrating
> Not being able to play due to server issues but still having the audacity to bring out paid DLC felt like such a slap in the face from the devs
> I noticed the devs giving out free goodies for the game to streamers who were then promoting the game trying to get people who are unaware of the state of this game to buy it is just disgusting of course no hate to the streamers
> honestly just Almir doing this 😎👊 whenever servers get fixed for like 2 minutes and are then down again
Decided to check out the recent dev stream and from a comment I saw i can't confirm nor deny since i didn't want to dedicate my time but apparently theirs no plans for anything this month for the game, no Server fixes, bug fixes, QOL, heists, mask nothing which I think may be an early sign that this game may be done for judging by the fact that only around 200 people are playing and I'm sure that number is much less by this point (not including console) and considering one of the devs is only lvl 44 it seems like even devs don't want to play their own game.
I absolutely love payday as a whole and it just sucks seeing something you love just get absolutely destroyed I think the biggest heist was Starbreeze taking our money and this being the end product, Overall I want the game to succeed but the devs seem stuck in their ways and with no real changes being done I think this might possibly be the end for Starbreeze as I think only a miracle help them at this point.
Those of you who may also remember this is the 3rd game that Starbreeze have messed up, Raid WW2, The walking dead game, and now this one so they have had plenty of chances in all honesty
Its sad to watch one of my favorite franchises die. I have so many great memories with payday 2.
i almost wish i could refund my gold edition but I like bragging and getting laughed at for spending 90 dollars on payday 3
F
rip
You and me both…
I did refund it, the moment they announced online only. I got the last laugh.
you know when its serious when he doesn't add memes to his video
Did we watch the same video?
@@updog4Lyeah what? Memes everywhere
my payday 3 experience was : buy game, attempt to play 1 heist for an hour, load in, after heist close game, refund, play payday 2
I remember when Payday 3 launched someone found a photo for crime net & it looked great
overkill is a skill of noob
congrats you found out how to stop shilling
It really hurts to see this series fall the way it has, me and my friends were so excited pre-launch, we loved the first 3 days of early access and were very excited for the future, and then launch day hit. Ever since then we played it on and off maybe stomaching 1 or 2 heists before the boredom sets in. But now i've had the game uninstalled for over a month and i've felt no motivation to go back to it.
I've loved your stuff since I stumbled onto it a few years ago. I was uncertain of PD3, but your preview gave me hope it would be good. I was planning on buying the game after the first major sale, but the launch and your streams convinced me I shouldn't.
I haven't played PD3 in a MONTH. We haven't got any new content in almost 2 MONTHS. This is one of my favorite games of all time already, and I haven't played it in A MONTH.
payday 2 was great fun to come back to from time to time after having done all the content numerous times, I have absolutely no want to play all of the payday 3 missions once. And they're releasing paid dlc already, almost like its a whole new studio from when payday 2 was created 8|
the bag fell open and the bills slipped into a sewer gate
we let them cook and they forgot how to cook
I loved it during the early access, it felt so fresh and great. Full release when servers went down, and then the greater issues really set it like the lack of content, lack of updates, a lot of what seems to me like easy qol fixes, offline mode, pre game chat, etc.
A game about greeed was ruined by greed
When you get a brass eye ref in the first 15 seconds you know it's gonna be a good time
I guess this is a bit late by a few days but
Now that i've played payday 3 i feel like i cant go back to payday 2, like I wont have fun in it. I was expecting Payday 3 to be basically a facelift/update for payday 2, I was expecting updated mechanics (which we got), gunplay that feels better (which we got), enemy AI that doesn't shit itself when there's more than 12 units on the map (which we got, I think), but everything we got in payday 3 is so small scale compared to payday 2, the stealth is one my favourite ways to play but everything really plays the same like you said.
I never had gripes with the challenge system since it forced me to try new things, which albeit did put a damper on my mood sometimes if I had to do challenges for a weapon that was just not that good, but trying different builds or playing outside of your comfort zone isn't really an issue its an opportunity. I think the reason people were complaining so much about was because of the lack of options.
Weapon customization feels a lot more dumbed down, its all basic attachments compared to payday 2 where you could change basically the entire profile of a gun, and it still feels like there's a "best attachment" for everything like you don't really see funny builds or aesthetic builds, plus its hard to tell what exactly everything does without any real stats. Just + or - isn't really communicating that very well.
The perks are nice and it feels like there's something that's pretty viable in every tree, but I don't feel very specialized in a heist, I personally liked being the drill guy who always had the drill perks so everyone else could run whatever they wanted, I felt like a corner stone. But now everyone does the same things just jumping through different hoops to get to it.
TL;DR, payday 3 is gourmet payday to me; it feels amazing and I love it, but its portion size is so small the quality doesn't really justify it.
if only I had the buffet of payday 2 with the quality of payday 3.
What grinds my loins is that PD2 was the blueprint for an amazing COOP game.
And they still fucked it up.
You can keep huffing copium all day, but the steam numbers ain't lying.