Are people not allowed to change and evolve? Up until, idk, 2017 growth and learning from past mistakes was considered mature and commendable. Nowadays if you try to become a better person you're implied of being phony and hypocritical.
Thank you, Sunny. In Charlottesville, there were despicable chants against Jews and the president of the U.S. seemed to not have an issue and Alyssa wasn't so offended that she could no longer work in the administration. Oh the hypocrisy.
They could careless about protected speech, all they want is to shove their views on us, one day they're for free speech but on another day they are for their version of free speech. It's either free or not take it or leave it.
They are, but they aren't racist antisemite black supremacist like her. For someone who whine about "racism" all the time, Sunny seems completely clueless about what real racism looks like. Absolutely trashy and disgusting.
Antisemitism is bad. However, we should also call out people that call basically anything antisemitism. For example, there were Jewish students that made a documentary criticizing Israel, and it was called antisemitic. For more information, there is a video on RUclips called "College Jewish Group THREATENED For Screening Film Critical Of Israel."
People should also know that Palestinan Arabs are by definition Semitic also. Therefore, the "anti-semitic" label could be applied to critics of Palestinians, among others.
I agree, but the moral fallacy is that not everyone sees hate the same way. For example, people who are against gay marriages don't see it as hate or discrimination but against their religious values.
Se·mit·ic /səˈmidik/ Learn to pronounce adjective 1. 1. relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian, constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family. 2. relating to the peoples who speak Semitic languages, especially Hebrew and Arabic.
Joy at 8:17 "let her finish Sunny let her talk" I don't usually hear Joy telling Sunny that and Sara and Alyssa were also interrupting Sunny when she was talking.
The same fervor that they are giving to protecting the Jewish community needs to be consistently given to the Palestinians who are facing genocide at this very moment. Consistency is everything. We can be mad at both issues. Also, why aren't the ladies discussing the NY Times article that came out last week stating that the Israeli government knew that the attack was imminent? They were warned by Egypt and Israeli women soldiers.
Because blacks cry "racism" all the time for no good reason. This antisemite rethoric is however REAL racism. Sunny needs to leave her racism at the door.
Amen to that and Jews too. Millions of Blacks died during Slavery and the Transatlantic Slave Trade. Jews are not the only group that went through suffering.
@@desmondherron552 But in 2023, blacks are one of the most (if not the most) privileged group there is, thanks to policies such as affirmative action. Yet they still manage to whine and cry and play the victims like spoiled children.
The “let her finish sunny” pissed me off. When Sunny was explaining the LAW that Americans uphold when it comes to black peoples, Alyssa didn’t let her finish her statement (she actually never lets anyone finish a statement) Sunny studied the LAW, does not mean she agrees with it. When it hits home for certain people that’s when you want Sunny to let her finish. When Sunny is speaking about black or Latinos, that’s when you jump at her throat and really don’t let her speak. Hate is Hate is Hate. But it’s telling when you’re only this fired up when it comes to your own community
Oh please Sunny cuts off so many people and hoarded this conversation. Alyssa barely got a time to share her thoughts until they extended the segment for her and even then Sunny cut her off.
Really Joy? So let’s give Alyssa the floor? Meanwhile she trampled over Sunny’s entire argument. Joy, Alyssa, and Sara couldn’t be more out of touch on this topic and I wonder why…
Incredible how Alyssa could say there's no justification to use genocidal language against a group of people and yet she is silent when the Israeli government time and time again has used genocidal language against Palestinians. The Israeli forces have literally described Palestinians as Human Animals. I feel like im going crazy listening to this show.
Hamas is a terrorist group, but all Palestinians are not. Nazis, white supremacists, terrorists use harassment as an instigation or to stir up hate. If it leads to violence, it needs to be dealt with at this level before it gets to that point. Only a fool would think otherwise. 😊
Exactly, and they are so upset about the rape of Israeli women, but the Death of Palestinian women and children are just unfortunate collateral damage... it's like the twilight zone
Oh shut up. The absolute outrage if those professors would of responded like that if the question was asked about the genocide of every transgender man woman and child. You people are the biggest hypocrites. The swastika on your face is showing!!
Alyssa was out of control woman you obviously do NOT know what you are talking about!As a German lawyer it made perfect sense what Sunny said!That is exactly what it’s about! Alyssa simply doesn’t seem to understand which is ok she doesn’t know everything but her stubbornness and yelling out „code of conduct“ like it makes it more relevant! These women simply cannot keep up with Sunny‘s education and proper research they just go off emotions and no facts!
Joy told Sunny to let Alyssa speak but said nothing to Alyssa or Sara when they tried to interrupt Sunny. Because she disagreed with Sunny and sided with Alyssa.
Everyone at the table completely misconstrued Sunny’s thoughts. The law protects everyone, private institutions, employers have conditions that if unmet can warrant cancellations. It’s not that hard.
The First Amendment protects you from the government. Private universities like Harvard, MIT, and Penn are not bound by the First Amendment. Sunny was not misunderstood, she was just wrong.
Alyssa and Sarah pretend that all minorities are protected from discrimination as of now…that’s laughable. I also noticed how no one stopped Alyssa from commenting over Sunny but stopped Sunny from commenting over Alyssa. It really is that subtle.
Remember when Alyssa and Sunny got into it slightly over the interruption thing. My feeling is after that incident the producers told Alyssa to be more aggressive, kinda like Meghan Mcain was. Ever since then I've noticed they tend to go to her first so she can get everything in and she still interrupts people.
Im tired of Alyssa, Sara and Joy speaking on the issue because everything they offer is from an uneducated place. Sunny is literally thee only one on the panel that stays up to date with whats going on and isnt actively spreading misinformation.
What? Lmao. Sunny is always the one to cry about so-called "racism" against black people, but when racism it's against Jewish or White people, it's suddently ok? Lmao, take a seat.
Republicans always say they care about “facts not feelings” but Alyssa here does not want to hear any facts. As Sunny clearly said, the law is the law. Keep speaking up Sunny 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 as you can tell by most of the comments. Most of us agree with you!
Except this isn't the law. Colleges can expel students who spew racist hate but Sunny thinks they shouldn't if the victims of the hate happen to be Jewish 🤷🏻♂️ If the roles were reversed and somebody was calling on the genocide of Arab-Americans or Black-Americans, Sunny would have had a totally different interpretation of the law!
Because the law is subject to interpretation and Sunny’s interpretation is wrong here. By that logic anyone without a law degree doesn’t have the right to challenge someone like Bill Barr even though his interpretations were in fact challenged by the legal establishment in this country.
Because Sunny is not always right and this is an opinion show. Her interpretation of the law is impartial as many lawyers do. And the context is Harvard’s code of conduct, not the constitution.
@@scottjohnson8687 It should also be mentioned that Harvard receives federal funding, and any school that receives federal funding cannot condone targeted harassment against protected classes on campus. That is why universities in the South don’t have university sanctioned white supremacist groups despite their being many who wouldn’t hesitate to join among their student populations. So even if Sunny wanted to make this about the constitution, she would hit a brick wall when reminded of the fact the Supreme Court allows the government to impose guidelines and restrictions to universities who accept federal funds. She needs to read Title VI which says “No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.”
This conversation was about code of conduct, not law. Sunny brought up law to excuse their behavior. Universities have a code of conduct and have used them to take action when students say racist remarks. If a group of students marched and called for the genocide of black people, the university would take action. They would not sit there and do nothing
So Sunny deserves her own show if she desires. Cause when I say she is better than the view. She is the only one making sense and actually giving facts to the audience. Shame on abc and the rest of the panel everyday for this nonsense. I wish y’all stop talking about Gaza… oh wait you never do.
She truly does. And I am glad people are seeing it now. Since last year people were on the hate Sunny train coz she was always discussing the inequality that black people go through, so it’s good to see people recognizing that she’s always standing up for the minorities.
Sunny is absolutely correct, this is the law, not a personal belief. The ladies on the panel want the law applied with preference to certain speech and that is just not how the 1st Amendment works. I am an attorney and studied History in College I guess my assumption is most Americans are knowledgeable about the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and The Amendments. I am clearly incorrect on that view. This was tough to watch.
As a former attorney, I absolutely concur. This was incredibly hard to watch. It seemed as if no one had any desire or interest in understanding the general law. In my personal experience, I've come to firmly believe that the average U.S. citizen knows very little foundational law re: basic daily dealings. Law gets confused with personal beliefs and opinions
If you are an attorney then you should know what a protected class is. Schools receiving federal funding have a legal obligation to stop targeted harassment against protected classes. Tell me what university in America receiving federal funding has a university sanctioned white supremacist group? I’ll wait.
Sunny is demonstrating why education and understanding the law and communicating that effectively is important. This is advanced intelligence and critical thinking that if more people practiced would lead to greater understanding.
Nope she just stated code of conduct and the law are the same. I can't call someone a racial slur at Harvard and not have disciplined. But I can do so in every day life and not be arrested. Just a fact. Not complicated. Sunny is an idiot.
More like the left is now defending free speech. Plenty of white students have been expelled from colleges for only saying a particular word. Sometimes years before even attending the school. These thugs today are not just speaking for terrorist organizations. They are harassing students for just being who they are.
whats funnier is that the term Intifada is an Arabic word, it doesn't mean genocide... it literally means to shake or shrug off something, people are just assuming the worst for no reason. Anyone can search this.
Yes, so, technically, private universities can restrict free speech in ways that a public university may not, doing so would eliminate federal funds which are the lifeblood of universities, so practically speaking, they are sufficiently coerced to not abridge the first amendment rights.
It's Interesting what Joy said at the end about the new rules in Germany. Apparently, demonstrations against the war in Gaza has been forbidden there. Seems that Joy is in favor of that🤔. So, democracy and free speach is fine as long as it's not for the Palestinians. I used to like these ladies, but lately everyone except Sunny and Whoopi are showing their true color. What about the cancelation of all the celebrities that have supported the Palestinians? Now Alyssa wants these people to resign just because they followed the law and did not privilege certain people because of the religion.
As a German, I need to explain a few things: first of all, there are daily protests against the actions of the Israely government in Gaza in many German cities, protected by german police, they are not forbidden. That's a myth, please inform yourself better. Videos of these protest can be found easily on RUclips or Instagram, for example. What is outlawed in Germany, everywhere and at these protests, is hatespeech. Against jews, against muslims, against people pf color, against LGBTQ, against minorities in general. People who would say in Germany what Harvard students have publicly said would be arrested and would find themselves swiftly in front of a judge. And rightfully so. Germany has learned, from its history, that voilence starts with language, and that threats, hate and hateful speech, lead to worse things. Which is why that language, verbalized or in symbolic form like swastikas, is a crime in Germany. That might not be the American way, but it is one of the reasons, that many young Israelis, who don't like their Trumpian government, move to Berlin, not Washington.
to be fair, Sunny and Whoopie have show their true colors. It is common knowledge that Sunny celebrated the attacks on Oct 7th. she hates white people and in particular Jews. As for Whoopie, she does not even believe that the Holocaust was racially motivated. This is coming from someone that culturally appropriated a Jewish name as a joke.
"demonstrating" no actually what was forbidden was the OPEN SUPPORT of Hamas a terrorist organization which has proven to be quite frequent among the so called "Pro-Palestinian protestors".
German here. There are tons of pro palestine demonstrations in germany, thogh it is forbidden to call for death of jews or the end of israel in speech or signs. But we allow demonstrations.
Sunny’s legal acumen was top notch. She handed Alyssa firmly and politely. Freedom of Speech covers hate speech. Sunny’s is correct- the Law is the Law.
Yes but Harvard is a private institution and therefore can impose stricter limitations on speech than a state institution would be allowed to under the First Amendment.
It was said repeatedly; I don’t know what’s so hard to understand…college campuses have “codes of conduct” that are often much more strict than constitutional law. There are PLENTY of behaviors that are perfectly legal but not permitted on a college campus. If schools only enforced policies according to the law; every time a student got expelled, they would get arrested. This is not a confusing concept. Sunny knows this.
The hosts are talking about a lot of things here and sloppily conflating them as the same; the Black experience in America, the "Me Too" movement, the war in Ukraine, antisentitism... It is mudding the case at hand. Sunny is spot on that free speech is protected de facto. The same handwringing is rarely done when the Ku Klux Klan talks about whites being a superior race. We also have to reckon with the fact hat many of these protests are expressly regarding a geopolitical issue, and the cruel actions of a internationally supported government, and not a race.
lol... so they are just protesting a geopolitical issue....ok then. go actually talk to them, and you will hear that they want Israel wiped off the map, and many of them want to see every Jew wiped off the earth with it. they are the same clowns that celebrated the Oct 7 attacks with their cries of "allahu akbar"
The first amendment doesn’t apply to private institutions. And secondly, people are mad that these rules aren’t being applied equally. If you’re going to expel students and professors for their speech, you have to do the same when the next group does it.
Sunny better speak!!! 👏🏾👏🏾The rest of the cohost lack the educational background and moral clarity to even speak on this. I can tell whoopi agreed with Sunny but after her getting in trouble i think shes scared to say certain things on this subject.
Gosh I wish Alyssa would shut up!😤 Sunny is a saint! And the nerve of Joy allowing Alyssa to speak after she kept interrupting Sunny. Sunny is the only lawyer on set, so Alyssa needed to listen and learn rather than whine like she always does whenever she hears something she doesn't agree with.
While I wouldn't go so far as to say Sunny is a saint, she *does* know the law, and this segment annoyed me too. Alyssa kept interrupting Sunny, and Joy said nothing. But when Alyssa was speaking and Sunny tried to pull her up on inaccuracies, Joy scolded Sunny for it. What the???
I completely disagree. They are both lacking in education and understanding of the situation and the fact Israel has the same right the USA has to ensure the safety of its citizens. Hamas is responsible for their people and have put their lives at risk, not Israel, not anyone else. So if you disagree with Israel’s actions, you better hope for your own safety and that a country like China doesn’t attack the USA and the rest of the world doesn’t stand by and claim you have no right to defend yourself because Chinese citizens might be killed in the crossfire.
@@jameswood88 I don't even know where to begin with this comment. While acknowledging Israel's right to defend its citizens, both sides have legitimate concerns and grievances. Can you please point to your sources on where the USA has restricted resources to China in what's called an "open air prison" for this hypothetical war. If you feel that strongly about defending Israel please go there but know that its Americas right to not support you.
@@jameswood88 Oh please. This has been going on for 70+ years and they have openly admitted they want to colonize every single piece of Palestinian land and even more of the surrounding countries. There's literal footage of officials and citizens saying it. That is the goal all along and you know it.
Joy always gives this energy when it comes to black people.. Ironically, this isn’t the same energy for Jewish people that you see from Whoopi and Sunny when it comes to black people though.
@@rainbeauxunicorn5237 AND?? I said it because it wasn’t acknowledged and pointed out the lack of support from her coworkers who she is constantly supportive of.
@@davidfletcher4449 what are you talking about? It’s basic knowledge that many “freedoms” don’t extend to private businesses. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, searches and seizures, gun rights, hiring practices, conduct codes, uniforms. This is why Sunny is dead wrong, none of what she said applies to either of the three universities.
Apparently no one was listening to Sunny! She was telling them this is the law. Yet they kept esp Alyssa stating this and that after Sunny explained the law and even gave case study and yet they still kept on and then Sarah clapping. Lots of grand standing without really listening. Very sad, and that was Sunny's point and then Alyssa saying they should resign as if they do not know they are in a bind that they have to speak to the legality of the schools yet they can believe differently but they are representatives of the school not their own individual non-legal ideas.
Are you dense? The segment was specifically around the Presidents of these universities saying they were "unsure if calling for the genocide of jews breaks the code of conduct". You're right, you can protest in the USA, but if a student was calling for the genocide of Black people or Muslims there would be consequences whether that be suspension or expulsion, and for some reason that protection is not extended to Jews. Also, this is a private university speaking about its code of conduct, it literally has nothing to do with the US constitution or law.
What’s crazy is that the Black woman who is actually a lawyer and understands how the law will intersect with the college if the college is sued for a free speech violation is crazy. Why on Earth would Alyssa thinks she knows more than Sunny about this…as much as I hate how the law is designed for allowing this type of speech on college campuses, the fact is that it does. Don’t blame the college for following the laws to avoid getting sued. Your issue is with the courts for allowing hate speech as free speech.
what's crazy is that you said "that the Black woman who is actually a lawyer and understands how the law will intersect with the college if the college is sued for a free speech violation is crazy" without actually fact checking and realizing you were wrong and that you blindly believed sunny. Fyi, sunny is wrong. IVY are private institutions and are not bound to the first admendment. Harvard has a history of disciplinary action without consideration of "free speech".
She said nothing about people getting fired for misgendering people or saying the same things about black people or Muslims on campus. She only defends antisemitism. That's it.
a college’s code of conduct was what was being discussed. not the first amendment. this is about people supporting hamas’ goal of wiping jews from the face of the earth. apparently, sunny HATES whataboutism except for when it comes to jewish people. she doesn’t like it when the GOP uses that talk about black folks, but if you point out that israeli women were raped by hamas on october 7 she responds by saying the IDF rapes too. so what then? it’s okay for hamas to kill and rape because israel is supposedly responding in kind?????? sunny does not understand politics. she’s ignorant and she doesn’t even practice anymore.
A university campus is not a court of law. Colleges have code of conduct. Antisemitism is a core tenet of the progressive woke left, which run universities and which Sonny hostin is the spokesman for
Sunny's limited experience as lawyer has no relevance to the arguments being made here. First amendment is not upheld at campuses in practice. This has been well documented and is expressed explicitly in the policies of many campuses. We all know that the rules have been enforced differentially and none of this handwringing has occurs when someone from the wrong group says something (people canceled over saying merit in scientific work matters).
I get the entire table. It is horrific that people would say those things but as Sunny..the only legal expert on that panel, has pointed out, its backed by the constitution. They can argue feelings and opinions all they want, and they aren't wrong but they need to respect Sunny's knowledge/expertise.
I need ro read up on this hearing more because in general I find that this war has made it impossible to talk about. My thing is the Law is one thing but code of conduit is another. If you started cursing out people at work, you can't counter with free speech law if the policy for employment is clear.
Then the Constitution is wrong. You should not be allowed to call for genocide. That should not be protected. We should amend the Constitution. Only an American would be so naive, so black-and-white and absolutist, as to think we are incapable of having any NUANCE about speech.
@@phantomzxro1 Im no legal expert at all but I am aware that mere cursing out others at work is not an offense (legally) but the constant act can be harassment because the attitude is more targeted towards an individual just as Sunny stated about 1 on 1 speech in this video.
This was a prime example of what happens when emotion overrides logic. It’s clear that Alyssa’s emotions on this subject over rode her even being able to hear the logic that Sunny was explaining. The fact Alyssa basically said that the college’s code of conduct should be able to go beyond the US constitution is enough to show she was letting her emotions override her talking points, because we have listened to her in many other topics put her logic first - mainly being when she is talking out against fellow republicans who get caught up in the Jan 6 Insurrection rhetoric.
Except that's not what Alyssa said. It's how Sunny (wrongly) interpreted Alyssa's argument. Alyssa is completely right when it comes to the University Codes of Conduct. Expelling or taking disciplinary action against a student who calls on genocide on campus does not violate the First Amendment because the First Amendment puts limits on the ability of the government to limit speech, not on businesses or other institutions. Alyssa never asked the colleges to go against the constitution. Sunny herself was defending the "Freedom of Association" and saying "It's consequences not cancel culture" when people were getting fired from their jobs for saying the smallest 'offensive' things... I guess she changes the way she interprets the law depending on the political argument she wants to make :(
White supremacists who want hate speech against black people protected don’t agree with this statement. Muslim extremists who want hate speech against Jews protected don’t agree with this statement. I guarantee that the American people DO agree with this statement. That’s the problem the extremes of this country have hijacked interpretation of the law when really it should be applied equally.
It opens my eyes when started justifying collective punishment on entire civilian for 200 hostages. Yes the hostages should be free but to be okay punishing and cutting of water and electricity etc for 2 million people for 200 ? Show me up how white lives matter to her more than other races.
The "lawyer" is completely - and I mean COMPLETELY - wrong here. This isn't about law - they are private institutions who set speech codes and cam and do routinely punish speech they don't like Bit they do so only those which run afoul of their progressive, intersectional worldview.
I feel like antisemitism is taking extremely seriously. I’ve read so many stories about professors and other employees losing their jobs because their words were determined to be antisemitic. It would be nice if other forms of racism and discrimination were treated with the same fervor.
The thing is, this isn't anti-semitism anymore. It's anti-zionism, because the world is finally seeing the truth that zionism is terrorism. It's not real Judaism. Zionism is to Judaism, what the KKK/Evangelicals are to Christianity.
Isn't it interesting that 3 Palestinian STUDENTS were shot and a 6yo Palestinian boy was stabbed in America? Where is the outrage on legacy media and in the government?
I know they are not trying to challenge Sunny on the LAW. Lol, she knows this stuff. Facts are important. Bravo to these Presidents for doing their job. College campuses are where so many of our future leaders are made; expecting them all to be coddled or shutting down any level of discourse is not realistic.
If Sunny was well versed in the law she’d know what a protected class is and Jewish people have fallen under that category ever since the end of WWII. Jewish students must be protected against Muslim extremists in the same way black students must be protected against white supremacists. The extremist elements are the ones going after regular students for not taking a position they like, hence the targeted harassment which is why Biden’s DOJ is opening inquires into these universities.
As unfortunate as Sunny’s correct interpretation of the law is, the university can’t break the law. I wish free speech didn’t involve heinous speech. Not even public outrage can change the constitution…
Colleges are not held to the same standard as the government is, so that is a blatant lie. The first amendment protects you from punishment from your GOVERNMENT for speech, not your college. Sunny is a lawyer, she knows that, but she spreads lies to justify the attacks on Jews.
Thing is her interpretation isn’t correct. These aren’t protests done on the street with a public permit, these are protests on campuses that receive federal funding. There can’t be targeted harassment against protected classes in schools that receive federal funding since the days of desegregation. Sunny is wrong, by her logic white supremacist groups have a right to protest the existence of black people on their campus, that obviously isn’t the case because no college campus in America has university sanctioned white supremacist groups.
So we're just going to ignore Harvard expelling students for anti-lgbt and anti-black propaganda? Funny how Harvard has done it here. I want to see full records of student expulsions. Let's see how fair Harvard actually is with that implementation
@@josedeleon9118 Exactly! Many students and professors have. All of a sudden, the left is protecting free speech? I call out hypocrisy from any side and this is just hypocrisy. Sunny used her lawyer answer to defend it. She knows what she did
Supporting Palestinian people and protesting against their suffering at the hands of Israeli attacks and occupation is NOT antisemitism. Being against the Israeli government’s oppressive policies towards Palestinians is not antisemitism. At this point I’m sick of Israel I wish we would stop supporting them so much smh
The media won't have it any other way. Celebs are getting cancelled for defending innocent Palestinians.. We must support blindly and not question.The news is not objective unfortunately.
@sumerlawrence that’s a fact the news here in America is definitely not objective, that’s why I watch news from multiple sources in multiple countries around the world. It’s fascinating how much clearer the story gets and how much info is left out from out news here!!
The U.S. appears out of line with the rest of the Free World because from multiple foreign news sources, while people everywhere were and are appalled at what Hamas did in Israel and want those kidnapped to be returned unharmed, what is being observed and reported now is Netanyahu’s revenge war and collective punishment against the civilian Palestinian population. 20,000 Palestinians dead including over 5,000 children.
"Moral Clarity" not legal clarity or legal ethics. There are many things that CAN be done within the confines of the law that are morally wrong 😄😄 lawyers and judges do it to us all the time within the law and it is deeply immoral.
The Congresswoman didn't seem to get it. The college presidents were saying that they are just words until it crosses into actions, which would violate the code of conduct. I'm a college student and understand that.
Sarah and Alyssa are refusing to listen to core of Sunny’s argument and continues to parrot conservative arguments that are conflating the statements made by the Harvard presidents. Their inability to look at this topic objectively is disappointing as a fan of both of them.
Alyssa’s ignorance is DISGUSTING. She’s annoying beyond belief. Sunny - a woman who is an ACTUAL lawyer & actually understands the law - has much more jurisdiction on this than Alyssa. She seems to forget she’s not a lawyer and we’re all well aware she doesn’t actually have a law degree, even though she seems to think she does.
As someone who has worked in government, it’s shocking how uneducated Alyssa seems to be about certain topics. Schools are in fact limited in regulating students’ free speech rights. I’m fact, there’s a famous Supreme Court case about it: Tinker v. Des Moines.
Super Fox, I thought that pigs would sprout wings bf I ever agreed with Sunny, and here we are. Your comment is spot on. I grew up in the south where I actually saw Klan rallies. It is foul speech, but it is free speech.🤷🏿♂️
@@georgesrhart still you. Because even private universities (including Harvard) still receive federal funding, which avers them to these standards. And again, notice how the ACTUAL LAWYER in the room, Sunny, said that the Harvard administrators are simply comporting with the letter of the law. So, yeah…
@@superfox5707 cite a single instance of this claim. Im sure Harvard a Private school who makes its own standards would get funding pulled for disciplining students calling for genocide, not smart, and whatever law school she went to should be embarrassed
@@georgesrhart what claim? That private universities get public funding? It happens literally all the time. Research grants, financial aid, etc. And it’s not the threat of having their funding pulled that they’re afraid of. It’s the threat of being sued by students who faced discipline for exercising protected speech. Also, the Harvard administrators didn’t say they wouldn’t take action. They said that action would be taken depending on the context and if the speech became actionable conduct. If and when any student threatens or intimidates Jewish students, they should rightfully expect to be disciplined. But free speech demands that we don’t discipline people for simply stating political opinions that we don’t agree with. And no, Sunny shouldn’t be embarrassed for simply stating the law.
@@sandrafernandez3839the problem is they haven’t been enforcing these rules equally. You have professors and students being expelled for their speech but then protect other groups when they do the same. You can’t have it both ways.
Alyssa using that good old rhetorical tactic to reframe what was said from directing hatful speech at someone (thus becoming actionable) with committing physical violence on someone, reducto ad absurdum. She could have simply made the point that Harvard is a private institution and not bound by the first amendment, which protects speech from gov’t action. Harvard also can make the choice to follow the law as their code of conduct, which it seems they have done.
Alyssa, the massive retaliation by Israel is concerning BECAUSE of their experience and the Holocaust. One would think this would be something the Israeli people would never want to reign down on anyone.
Alyssa is actually right and Sunny’s point made no sense. If Sunny advocated for Genocide she would be fired from the View. The View and the College is not the law. This is about conduct. Also free speech has limitations and genocide is a threat.
Saying that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people and culture is not advocating for genocide, on the contrary. You don’t understand either what sunny is pointing out. The difference between saying something and the context when it is said
Free speech does have limitations and the Supreme Court has already ruled on what those limitations are including on college campuses. Sunny was basically saying that the schools have to comply with the Constitution.
I agree with Sunny but I feel like she uses the “all free speech/hate speech should be protected” card when it’s convenient to her. I’ve also heard her say the opposite at times mainly about Trump/republicans, she’ll say something like “I know the worst speech should be the most protected but you should be ashamed of yourself for saying that!” She’ll choose what side of that argument to use depending on the subject matter. Be consistent
that’s because there’s no comparison between a massacre of Palestinians and the petulant whining of a tyrannical despot. I think she’s actually consistent on that front
You’re missing the point. She not arguing in support of what is being said, just the law behind it…Number 1, but Number 2, you’re talking about individual people being able to say and do what they want to do, and Universities who like the government, cannot infringe on first amendment rights. Your employer, if not the government, could reprimand you for gross speech, but not the government. Which goes back to what the university presidents were saying is based on CONTEXT.
Seriously??? Is this your first day watching the show? Lol because usually Sunny talks over everybody. There's literally entire compilations of her doing it.
I wish they were as vocal about the Genocide in Palestine as they are about words said at a college to a Jewish person. Their selective outrage is very telling…..
The congresswoman didn't ask what the law is. She asked what each university's anti-bullying policy is. Highlighting the possibility of an antisemitic double standard, just a couple of years ago Harvard withdrew admission of ten students over 'racist' or 'offensive' social media posts (evidence that Harvard students are removed for exercising free speech). Harvard policy makes punishable "unwelcome and offensive conduct that is based on an individual or group’s protected status. Discriminatory harassment may be considered to violate this policy when it is so severe or pervasive, and objectively offensive, that it creates a work, educational, or living environment that a reasonable person would consider intimidating, hostile, or abusive..."
Sunny is dead wrong, a University like ANY entity can have rules that limit, if you were to say something like that a private company they would fire you and the LAW allows that, that was Alyssa's point, you have the FREEDOM OF SPEECH SO THE GOVERNMENT cannot infringe, a University IS NOT the government
I think Sunny explained the law very well. If someone uses hate speech publicly it's technically protected. (Granted that person may be "canceled" by the public, but cancellation isnt a legal indictment). However, if someone uses that same hate speech in a one on one interaction it can definitely have legal consequences and be considered harassment. I'm not saying its right or wrong but that is the law. Maybe the law should be changed but Sunny was simply explaining the law.
Universities has expelled students in the past for hate speech. Remember the whole SAE scandal....That whole fraternity got closed and students got expelled.
Sunny and Whoopi are spot on. Thank goodness they are looking at the whole picture. I can't believe Alyssa goes to "they should all be fired (referring to the University presidents)" Alyssa has two amazing jobs and with out hesitation wants people that are on opposing views to loose their jobs...she said very similar towards the Squad (from Congress).
Sunny is dead wrong. A private school’s code of conduct can indeed prohibit more speech than the first amendment would permit to be prohibited. We’re talking about Harvard, UPenn and MIT.
No Sunny, this is not about the law. This is about Harvard's code of conduct. What these people in the hearing made clare is that genocidal language against jews is allowed. Even though any pushback against lbgtq, slightly racist language or conduct would get faculty members fired and students expelled. Sunny os being condescending and willfully ignorant about the subject at hand.
The U.S. Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land. All American universities (whether public or private), companies, etc. have to adhere to the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND when it comes to the Bill of Rights/Constitution. Harvard can't say "oh well we're going to ignore federal law on a federal matter and do what we want!" Hate speech is protected speech in the U.S., but hate CRIMES are punishable.
@thislovemusic when 2 parties enter into a contract, e.g. a faculty member at a school or general employer-employee, they can stipulate a code of conduct and penalties derived if either parties break the agreed upon rules. This is the basis of all contracts. Yes, a contract can not deprive a person of their basic rights, generally speaking, but the parties have agreed on a set of rules of conduct that they can enforce when one party has broken the rules. This is perfectly legal. So back to the question at hand: hate speech is protected speech. But 2 private parties can agree upon breaking their contract if one of them engages in hate speech. This is not a new, or novel concept. 🙄
@@otnielbelfor528 you are conflating contract law with constitutional law, which to reiterate, is the supreme law of the land. Whatever agreements are made under a contract entered into by two consenting parties (btw insinuating that admission to a uni is a contract is questionable) must adgere to the Bill of Rights/Amendments of the U.S. Constitution. Are you American? I'm confused as to why you aren't able to grasp this very simple concept about our country's laws.
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So Alyssa is angry about this.She did not say anything when her ex boss made racist comments towards Mexicans and blacks
Or good people on both sides
Nope. As a matter of fact she went to work for him after he said it.
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Are people not allowed to change and evolve? Up until, idk, 2017 growth and learning from past mistakes was considered mature and commendable. Nowadays if you try to become a better person you're implied of being phony and hypocritical.
Never stop speaking truth to power, Sunny
Never 💯
She literally praises elites any chance she gets, that woman never even whispered truth to power
Except her truth is not really truth all the time
Lawyer here-SHE IS WRONG. HARVARD IS A PRIVATE UNIVERSITY. THEY CAN PROHIBIT CERTAIN SPEECH.
Sunny is about the worst "lawyer" out there. She is completely wrong here, conflating law with private organizations speech codes.
Thank you, Sunny. In Charlottesville, there were despicable chants against Jews and the president of the U.S. seemed to not have an issue and Alyssa wasn't so offended that she could no longer work in the administration. Oh the hypocrisy.
I wish they would speak to Jewish Trump voters. They have no problem with anti-semitism from one side.
Hello!
Alyssa is clearly an opportunist.
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I feel like no one even heard what Sunny is saying
echo chamber
They could careless about protected speech, all they want is to shove their views on us, one day they're for free speech but on another day they are for their version of free speech. It's either free or not take it or leave it.
Alyssa is saying those college leaders should step down! It's the Republican's go-to when they don't agree with that person!
They are, but they aren't racist antisemite black supremacist like her. For someone who whine about "racism" all the time, Sunny seems completely clueless about what real racism looks like. Absolutely trashy and disgusting.
They are not going anywhere. Lol!
Antisemitism is bad. However, we should also call out people that call basically anything antisemitism. For example, there were Jewish students that made a documentary criticizing Israel, and it was called antisemitic. For more information, there is a video on RUclips called "College Jewish Group THREATENED For Screening Film Critical Of Israel."
Palestinians are Semites.
People should also know that Palestinan Arabs are by definition Semitic also. Therefore, the "anti-semitic" label could be applied to critics of Palestinians, among others.
I agree, but the moral fallacy is that not everyone sees hate the same way. For example, people who are against gay marriages don't see it as hate or discrimination but against their religious values.
Se·mit·ic
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1. 1. relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian, constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.
2. relating to the peoples who speak Semitic languages, especially Hebrew and Arabic.
Who controls the MSM???
Joy at 8:17 "let her finish Sunny let her talk" I don't usually hear Joy telling Sunny that and Sara and Alyssa were also interrupting Sunny when she was talking.
The same fervor that they are giving to protecting the Jewish community needs to be consistently given to the Palestinians who are facing genocide at this very moment. Consistency is everything. We can be mad at both issues. Also, why aren't the ladies discussing the NY Times article that came out last week stating that the Israeli government knew that the attack was imminent? They were warned by Egypt and Israeli women soldiers.
As an African-American, I think I get it. We were facing genocide as well during the period of racial segregation and lynching.
Alyssa is so angry about this but she was not angry when her ex boss may racist comment toward blacks and mexicans.
Because blacks cry "racism" all the time for no good reason. This antisemite rethoric is however REAL racism. Sunny needs to leave her racism at the door.
Amen to that and Jews too. Millions of Blacks died during Slavery and the Transatlantic Slave Trade. Jews are not the only group that went through suffering.
@@desmondherron552 But in 2023, blacks are one of the most (if not the most) privileged group there is, thanks to policies such as affirmative action. Yet they still manage to whine and cry and play the victims like spoiled children.
The “let her finish sunny” pissed me off. When Sunny was explaining the LAW that Americans uphold when it comes to black peoples, Alyssa didn’t let her finish her statement (she actually never lets anyone finish a statement) Sunny studied the LAW, does not mean she agrees with it. When it hits home for certain people that’s when you want Sunny to let her finish. When Sunny is speaking about black or Latinos, that’s when you jump at her throat and really don’t let her speak. Hate is Hate is Hate. But it’s telling when you’re only this fired up when it comes to your own community
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Oh please Sunny cuts off so many people and hoarded this conversation. Alyssa barely got a time to share her thoughts until they extended the segment for her and even then Sunny cut her off.
Really Joy? So let’s give Alyssa the floor? Meanwhile she trampled over Sunny’s entire argument. Joy, Alyssa, and Sara couldn’t be more out of touch on this topic and I wonder why…
Exactly
Because they're Zionists.
You are exactly right I'm think the same exact thing.
joy has jooish friends and sara is married to a rightwing zionist joo. alyssa is a hardcore neocon
Exactly it’s called selective outrage
Incredible how Alyssa could say there's no justification to use genocidal language against a group of people and yet she is silent when the Israeli government time and time again has used genocidal language against Palestinians. The Israeli forces have literally described Palestinians as Human Animals. I feel like im going crazy listening to this show.
@@mpantony9684 wrong.
From the river to the sea Palestine will be free
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Right.
Exactly
Not genocide, by Definition.
Stop using 'genocide' irresponsibly.
It makes Real Genocide less severe.
✋🏽 This is laudable...
These women are upset of hateful speech about genocide towards 🇮🇱 but refuse to acknowledge the actual genocidal in Gaza?!
Especially Joy
😮 Antisemitism is not acceptable. Racism and bigotry are not acceptable. Ignoring is wrong, too.
Hamas is a terrorist group, but all Palestinians are not. Nazis, white supremacists, terrorists use harassment as an instigation or to stir up hate. If it leads to violence, it needs to be dealt with at this level before it gets to that point. Only a fool would think otherwise. 😊
That's not true! The only one that hasn't acknowledged the Palestinian people is Alyssa!
Exactly, and they are so upset about the rape of Israeli women, but the Death of Palestinian women and children are just unfortunate collateral damage... it's like the twilight zone
Alyssa was plucking my LAST NERVE today with her constantly trying to cut off Sunny every time she'd start talking and speaking those TRUTHS !!!
Karens and their feelings think it needs to usurp the constitution
Alyssa was right!!
Oh shut up. The absolute outrage if those professors would of responded like that if the question was asked about the genocide of every transgender man woman and child. You people are the biggest hypocrites. The swastika on your face is showing!!
Exactly!!! Then Joy has the nerve to say let Alyssa speak🤦♀.~~~ what a joke!
Sunny Is on the right side of history 💯
MY GOD can Sunny speak without being interrupted?
Right?
I wish ABC would fire Sunny altogether. She interrupts everyone else and doesn't like it when it happens to her. Good for Alyssa talking back to her.
@@j.d.contreras392 😂😂😂😂
Can jewish people live without being harassed?
No because she isn’t going along with the narrative ABC wants to push.
Alyssa was out of control woman you obviously do NOT know what you are talking about!As a German lawyer it made perfect sense what Sunny said!That is exactly what it’s about!
Alyssa simply doesn’t seem to understand which is ok she doesn’t know everything but her stubbornness and yelling out „code of conduct“ like it makes it more relevant!
These women simply cannot keep up with Sunny‘s education and proper research they just go off emotions and no facts!
Preach
She’s in her feelings. But don’t understand the law. These universities will have lawsuits coming left and right
Joy told Sunny to let Alyssa speak but said nothing to Alyssa or Sara when they tried to interrupt Sunny. Because she disagreed with Sunny and sided with Alyssa.
Exactly
so what's wrong with that? Sunny is a hypocrite.
@@Neothefish everything is wrong with that it's call being fair and calling everybody out not just certain ones.
@@Neothefishyou are the hypocrite. OH wait, you never stood for anything good.
Why are you attempting to mindread?
How do these petty comments help, advance, or focus on the important topic highlighted in this segment??
Everyone at the table completely misconstrued Sunny’s thoughts. The law protects everyone, private institutions, employers have conditions that if unmet can warrant cancellations. It’s not that hard.
The First Amendment protects you from the government. Private universities like Harvard, MIT, and Penn are not bound by the First Amendment. Sunny was not misunderstood, she was just wrong.
They can’t see that coz all they are thinking is that she’s antisemitic, for looking at the genocide with a clear lens.
Incoherent. Private universities can restrict speech, period.
Alyssa and Sarah pretend that all minorities are protected from discrimination as of now…that’s laughable.
I also noticed how no one stopped Alyssa from commenting over Sunny but stopped Sunny from commenting over Alyssa. It really is that subtle.
Remember when Alyssa and Sunny got into it slightly over the interruption thing. My feeling is after that incident the producers told Alyssa to be more aggressive, kinda like Meghan Mcain was. Ever since then I've noticed they tend to go to her first so she can get everything in and she still interrupts people.
Nobody needs to stop Alyssa from commenting over Sunny. Sunny just keeps going regardless until Alyssa inevitably gives up.
Also, she's the only conservative, and so her voice is additionally important for the show, and likely to be different from the others'.
I believe Sarah’s husband is of Jewish ethnicity, so she seems to be a bit more emotional about this, than other topics.
Thankfully, I was over hearing Sunny's entitled response.
Im tired of Alyssa, Sara and Joy speaking on the issue because everything they offer is from an uneducated place. Sunny is literally thee only one on the panel that stays up to date with whats going on and isnt actively spreading misinformation.
What? Lmao. Sunny is always the one to cry about so-called "racism" against black people, but when racism it's against Jewish or White people, it's suddently ok? Lmao, take a seat.
Agreed
Then you need to hear her. Alyssa was correct.
@@Zenithx3 Alyssa was incorrect as she usually is.
That the holocaust is real? Guess you are anti-semetic.@@IAmHoodBooger
Republicans always say they care about “facts not feelings” but Alyssa here does not want to hear any facts. As Sunny clearly said, the law is the law. Keep speaking up Sunny 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 as you can tell by most of the comments. Most of us agree with you!
She's an idiot! Let someone call her children you know what and she'd be furious! This is exactly why she's so hated
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What? Most people don't agree with that antisemite racist clown. Alyssa is a 100% right.
Except this isn't the law. Colleges can expel students who spew racist hate but Sunny thinks they shouldn't if the victims of the hate happen to be Jewish 🤷🏻♂️ If the roles were reversed and somebody was calling on the genocide of Arab-Americans or Black-Americans, Sunny would have had a totally different interpretation of the law!
Why does ANY of the co-hosts attempt to school the only lawyer on the show...about the LAW? LOL Come on, Alyssa!
Such a joke. The fact that Sunny is attempting to explain the law and they're rejecting it 😂
Because the law is subject to interpretation and Sunny’s interpretation is wrong here. By that logic anyone without a law degree doesn’t have the right to challenge someone like Bill Barr even though his interpretations were in fact challenged by the legal establishment in this country.
Because Sunny is not always right and this is an opinion show. Her interpretation of the law is impartial as many lawyers do. And the context is Harvard’s code of conduct, not the constitution.
@@scottjohnson8687 It should also be mentioned that Harvard receives federal funding, and any school that receives federal funding cannot condone targeted harassment against protected classes on campus. That is why universities in the South don’t have university sanctioned white supremacist groups despite their being many who wouldn’t hesitate to join among their student populations. So even if Sunny wanted to make this about the constitution, she would hit a brick wall when reminded of the fact the Supreme Court allows the government to impose guidelines and restrictions to universities who accept federal funds. She needs to read Title VI which says “No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.”
This conversation was about code of conduct, not law. Sunny brought up law to excuse their behavior. Universities have a code of conduct and have used them to take action when students say racist remarks. If a group of students marched and called for the genocide of black people, the university would take action. They would not sit there and do nothing
Alyssa always looking over at Sara to make sure she’s got that backup.
pathetic!
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Despite Alyssa steady trying to cut her off at every corner (only because Sunny was speaking TRUTH, like she ALWAYS does)
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NO Sunny Hostin! Go Alyssa!
So Sunny deserves her own show if she desires. Cause when I say she is better than the view. She is the only one making sense and actually giving facts to the audience. Shame on abc and the rest of the panel everyday for this nonsense. I wish y’all stop talking about Gaza… oh wait you never do.
She's awful. Every segment would be race-baiting.
She truly does. And I am glad people are seeing it now. Since last year people were on the hate Sunny train coz she was always discussing the inequality that black people go through, so it’s good to see people recognizing that she’s always standing up for the minorities.
Lol not when it comes to republicans! She’s a hypocrite
Sunny is absolutely correct, this is the law, not a personal belief. The ladies on the panel want the law applied with preference to certain speech and that is just not how the 1st Amendment works. I am an attorney and studied History in College I guess my assumption is most Americans are knowledgeable about the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and The Amendments. I am clearly incorrect on that view. This was tough to watch.
As a former attorney, I absolutely concur. This was incredibly hard to watch. It seemed as if no one had any desire or interest in understanding the general law.
In my personal experience, I've come to firmly believe that the average U.S. citizen knows very little foundational law re: basic daily dealings. Law gets confused with personal beliefs and opinions
@@llhll8264 You have a right to say whatever you want t and an employer has the right to fire you
Watch back when Alyssa first started in the show and how Sunny would interrupt in just about every segment.
If you are an attorney then you should know what a protected class is. Schools receiving federal funding have a legal obligation to stop targeted harassment against protected classes. Tell me what university in America receiving federal funding has a university sanctioned white supremacist group? I’ll wait.
@llhll8264 so stop being racist and you won't lose your job. You need to go.
Sunny is demonstrating why education and understanding the law and communicating that effectively is important.
This is advanced intelligence and critical thinking that if more people practiced would lead to greater understanding.
Her conclusion is ambiguous 'context'; sometimes the law is not that intelligent.
Nope she just stated code of conduct and the law are the same. I can't call someone a racial slur at Harvard and not have disciplined. But I can do so in every day life and not be arrested. Just a fact. Not complicated.
Sunny is an idiot.
@@Zenithx3 no, she's just plain dumb and wrong
Except she was wrong about the law.
It's funny that Stefanik now has a different perspective on what free speech is now.
Calling for genocide isn’t the same thing as saying crap like all lives matter and calling trans people by their biological sex, respectfully.
Calling for the systematic murder of an entire race of people only because of their race was never considered free speech.
More like the left is now defending free speech. Plenty of white students have been expelled from colleges for only saying a particular word. Sometimes years before even attending the school. These thugs today are not just speaking for terrorist organizations. They are harassing students for just being who they are.
No it's been pretty consistent. Nice try though.
whats funnier is that the term Intifada is an Arabic word, it doesn't mean genocide... it literally means to shake or shrug off something, people are just assuming the worst for no reason. Anyone can search this.
Sunny is correct given the fact that while those private schools can regulate speech, they run the risk of losing federal student loan funding.
support for that claim/speculation? cite one instance/case
Yes. Big check. Just don't apply it to "Trump's Speech". It is hateful. No argue. Hahaha. Really Sunny?
Anti semite
Yes, so, technically, private universities can restrict free speech in ways that a public university may not, doing so would eliminate federal funds which are the lifeblood of universities, so practically speaking, they are sufficiently coerced to not abridge the first amendment rights.
Lol so it’s ok when they cancelled conservative speakers?
It's Interesting what Joy said at the end about the new rules in Germany. Apparently, demonstrations against the war in Gaza has been forbidden there. Seems that Joy is in favor of that🤔. So, democracy and free speach is fine as long as it's not for the Palestinians. I used to like these ladies, but lately everyone except Sunny and Whoopi are showing their true color. What about the cancelation of all the celebrities that have supported the Palestinians? Now Alyssa wants these people to resign just because they followed the law and did not privilege certain people because of the religion.
Right.
As a German, I need to explain a few things: first of all, there are daily protests against the actions of the Israely government in Gaza in many German cities, protected by german police, they are not forbidden. That's a myth, please inform yourself better. Videos of these protest can be found easily on RUclips or Instagram, for example. What is outlawed in Germany, everywhere and at these protests, is hatespeech. Against jews, against muslims, against people pf color, against LGBTQ, against minorities in general. People who would say in Germany what Harvard students have publicly said would be arrested and would find themselves swiftly in front of a judge. And rightfully so. Germany has learned, from its history, that voilence starts with language, and that threats, hate and hateful speech, lead to worse things. Which is why that language, verbalized or in symbolic form like swastikas, is a crime in Germany. That might not be the American way, but it is one of the reasons, that many young Israelis, who don't like their Trumpian government, move to Berlin, not Washington.
to be fair, Sunny and Whoopie have show their true colors. It is common knowledge that Sunny celebrated the attacks on Oct 7th. she hates white people and in particular Jews. As for Whoopie, she does not even believe that the Holocaust was racially motivated. This is coming from someone that culturally appropriated a Jewish name as a joke.
"demonstrating" no actually what was forbidden was the OPEN SUPPORT of Hamas a terrorist organization which has proven to be quite frequent among the so called "Pro-Palestinian protestors".
German here. There are tons of pro palestine demonstrations in germany, thogh it is forbidden to call for death of jews or the end of israel in speech or signs. But we allow demonstrations.
Sunny’s legal acumen was top notch. She handed Alyssa firmly and politely. Freedom of Speech covers hate speech. Sunny’s is correct- the Law is the Law.
Yes but Harvard is a private institution and therefore can impose stricter limitations on speech than a state institution would be allowed to under the First Amendment.
Nope she is Anti-Jewish so she is racist by nature...you supporting her means you are racist yourself as well as Anti-Jewish
It was said repeatedly; I don’t know what’s so hard to understand…college campuses have “codes of conduct” that are often much more strict than constitutional law. There are PLENTY of behaviors that are perfectly legal but not permitted on a college campus. If schools only enforced policies according to the law; every time a student got expelled, they would get arrested.
This is not a confusing concept. Sunny knows this.
Freedom of speech does, but not with private entities. The schools are free to remove you. Big difference
Yes she is
Sunny is absolutely correct.
Congratulations on being anti Jewish ... You just outed yourself
Absolutely
No she is not, she's just an antisemite. If this was about black people she would be up in arms about it
The hosts are talking about a lot of things here and sloppily conflating them as the same; the Black experience in America, the "Me Too" movement, the war in Ukraine, antisentitism... It is mudding the case at hand. Sunny is spot on that free speech is protected de facto. The same handwringing is rarely done when the Ku Klux Klan talks about whites being a superior race. We also have to reckon with the fact hat many of these protests are expressly regarding a geopolitical issue, and the cruel actions of a internationally supported government, and not a race.
Absolute facts right here
lol... so they are just protesting a geopolitical issue....ok then.
go actually talk to them, and you will hear that they want Israel wiped off the map, and many of them want to see every Jew wiped off the earth with it.
they are the same clowns that celebrated the Oct 7 attacks with their cries of "allahu akbar"
They have to "protect" the juice at all costs
I agree. Though there are SOME connections, it's not helpful to try and muddy the waters. Just speak on what's in front of you.
The first amendment doesn’t apply to private institutions. And secondly, people are mad that these rules aren’t being applied equally. If you’re going to expel students and professors for their speech, you have to do the same when the next group does it.
Sunny better speak!!! 👏🏾👏🏾The rest of the cohost lack the educational background and moral clarity to even speak on this. I can tell whoopi agreed with Sunny but after her getting in trouble i think shes scared to say certain things on this subject.
I agree. Whoopi even said at the end. Then let's be consistent because I remember what happened to her.
She is the worst!!!!
Joy, Sarah and Alyssa have been hypocrites on the subject, Sunny has always been consistent!
Consistently Wrong!!!!!@@timahassen5119 😝🤑
Sunny better continue to speak 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Gosh I wish Alyssa would shut up!😤
Sunny is a saint! And the nerve of Joy allowing Alyssa to speak after she kept interrupting Sunny.
Sunny is the only lawyer on set, so Alyssa needed to listen and learn rather than whine like she always does whenever she hears something she doesn't agree with.
Same, Alyssa is so annoying...
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@@tbarry2011 very annoying
Agreed!
While I wouldn't go so far as to say Sunny is a saint, she *does* know the law, and this segment annoyed me too. Alyssa kept interrupting Sunny, and Joy said nothing. But when Alyssa was speaking and Sunny tried to pull her up on inaccuracies, Joy scolded Sunny for it. What the???
Sunny and Whoopi to an extent are the only ones who are consistently correct on this issue, especially Sunny
I completely disagree. They are both lacking in education and understanding of the situation and the fact Israel has the same right the USA has to ensure the safety of its citizens. Hamas is responsible for their people and have put their lives at risk, not Israel, not anyone else. So if you disagree with Israel’s actions, you better hope for your own safety and that a country like China doesn’t attack the USA and the rest of the world doesn’t stand by and claim you have no right to defend yourself because Chinese citizens might be killed in the crossfire.
@@jameswood88 *jumpscare* Zionist alert
@@jameswood88 I don't even know where to begin with this comment. While acknowledging Israel's right to defend its citizens, both sides have legitimate concerns and grievances. Can you please point to your sources on where the USA has restricted resources to China in what's called an "open air prison" for this hypothetical war. If you feel that strongly about defending Israel please go there but know that its Americas right to not support you.
@@jameswood88 Oh please. This has been going on for 70+ years and they have openly admitted they want to colonize every single piece of Palestinian land and even more of the surrounding countries. There's literal footage of officials and citizens saying it. That is the goal all along and you know it.
You seem the most lacking in education and empathy.
Sara has finally stop dancing on the moderate line and embraced her true self
She's going to go right back to it. It just depends on the topic.
Right
She’s a full on republican and Ana is a democrat
She has always been this way but came out from hiding
She's an independent.
Is this the same energy you see from Alyssa and Sarah when it comes to black people and people of colour generally?
Nope!
Joy always gives this energy when it comes to black people.. Ironically, this isn’t the same energy for Jewish people that you see from Whoopi and Sunny when it comes to black people though.
@@oo0itsria… 🙄no one said anything about Joy.
@@rainbeauxunicorn5237 AND?? I said it because it wasn’t acknowledged and pointed out the lack of support from her coworkers who she is constantly supportive of.
No
Sunny at 6:49 "and the law is the law and I know a lot of people don't understand the law but it is" 💯💯💯💯
@@maximilian2974 I'm just now seeing this you are a miserable person stop commenting under my comments.💯
I like when Sunny puts her legal hat on is cool, calm, collected, and nuanced.
Except free speech doesn’t apply to any of these campuses because they’re private institutions 😅
But their policies must adhere to Federal Law. They can't have a policy that contravenes the Constitution. @@AZTECNINJAWARRIOR
@@davidfletcher4449 what are you talking about? It’s basic knowledge that many “freedoms” don’t extend to private businesses. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, searches and seizures, gun rights, hiring practices, conduct codes, uniforms. This is why Sunny is dead wrong, none of what she said applies to either of the three universities.
Apparently no one was listening to Sunny! She was telling them this is the law. Yet they kept esp Alyssa stating this and that after Sunny explained the law and even gave case study and yet they still kept on and then Sarah clapping. Lots of grand standing without really listening. Very sad, and that was Sunny's point and then Alyssa saying they should resign as if they do not know they are in a bind that they have to speak to the legality of the schools yet they can believe differently but they are representatives of the school not their own individual non-legal ideas.
Sunny at 9:04 "but you can also protest in this country" 💯💯💯💯
Are you dense? The segment was specifically around the Presidents of these universities saying they were "unsure if calling for the genocide of jews breaks the code of conduct". You're right, you can protest in the USA, but if a student was calling for the genocide of Black people or Muslims there would be consequences whether that be suspension or expulsion, and for some reason that protection is not extended to Jews. Also, this is a private university speaking about its code of conduct, it literally has nothing to do with the US constitution or law.
@@mattwalker786sunny did a great job of changing the subject to distract everyone
What’s crazy is that the Black woman who is actually a lawyer and understands how the law will intersect with the college if the college is sued for a free speech violation is crazy. Why on Earth would Alyssa thinks she knows more than Sunny about this…as much as I hate how the law is designed for allowing this type of speech on college campuses, the fact is that it does. Don’t blame the college for following the laws to avoid getting sued. Your issue is with the courts for allowing hate speech as free speech.
Free speech doesn’t apply to private colleges. It’s already been ruled by the Supreme Court.
Sunny is completely wrong here. These are private universities. They can, and do indeed, restrict speech.
Exactly. Anyone who does not understand that has not been to a university@@Lerian_V
what's crazy is that you said "that the Black woman who is actually a lawyer and understands how the law will intersect with the college if the college is sued for a free speech violation is crazy" without actually fact checking and realizing you were wrong and that you blindly believed sunny. Fyi, sunny is wrong. IVY are private institutions and are not bound to the first admendment. Harvard has a history of disciplinary action without consideration of "free speech".
Unless its someone they cancel from speaking there cause they believe there are only 2 genders..🙄
Thank you Sunny for educating these women about the law..
She said nothing about people getting fired for misgendering people or saying the same things about black people or Muslims on campus.
She only defends antisemitism.
That's it.
Oh so now free speech matters to this person sunny? Gimme a break, she is the biggest racist out there!
Sunny didn't do anything but talk about herself and how rich she is. She is NOT the definition of America.
I’m glad Sonny said no one understands the law… That’s very clear here
a college’s code of conduct was what was being discussed. not the first amendment.
this is about people supporting hamas’ goal of wiping jews from the face of the earth.
apparently, sunny HATES whataboutism except for when it comes to jewish people. she doesn’t like it when the GOP uses that talk about black folks, but if you point out that israeli women were raped by hamas on october 7 she responds by saying the IDF rapes too. so what then? it’s okay for hamas to kill and rape because israel is supposedly responding in kind??????
sunny does not understand politics. she’s ignorant and she doesn’t even practice anymore.
A university campus is not a court of law. Colleges have code of conduct.
Antisemitism is a core tenet of the progressive woke left, which run universities and which Sonny hostin is the spokesman for
Sunny's limited experience as lawyer has no relevance to the arguments being made here. First amendment is not upheld at campuses in practice. This has been well documented and is expressed explicitly in the policies of many campuses. We all know that the rules have been enforced differentially and none of this handwringing has occurs when someone from the wrong group says something (people canceled over saying merit in scientific work matters).
She was fine with censuring Trump, but antisemitism is free speech now? Hmmm🙈🙉🙊
@@00aggiegirlExactly
I get the entire table. It is horrific that people would say those things but as Sunny..the only legal expert on that panel, has pointed out, its backed by the constitution. They can argue feelings and opinions all they want, and they aren't wrong but they need to respect Sunny's knowledge/expertise.
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YES
I need ro read up on this hearing more because in general I find that this war has made it impossible to talk about. My thing is the Law is one thing but code of conduit is another. If you started cursing out people at work, you can't counter with free speech law if the policy for employment is clear.
Then the Constitution is wrong. You should not be allowed to call for genocide. That should not be protected. We should amend the Constitution.
Only an American would be so naive, so black-and-white and absolutist, as to think we are incapable of having any NUANCE about speech.
@@phantomzxro1 Im no legal expert at all but I am aware that mere cursing out others at work is not an offense (legally) but the constant act can be harassment because the attitude is more targeted towards an individual just as Sunny stated about 1 on 1 speech in this video.
Alyssa is like “my feelings don’t care about sunny’s facts” 😂
This was a prime example of what happens when emotion overrides logic.
It’s clear that Alyssa’s emotions on this subject over rode her even being able to hear the logic that Sunny was explaining. The fact Alyssa basically said that the college’s code of conduct should be able to go beyond the US constitution is enough to show she was letting her emotions override her talking points, because we have listened to her in many other topics put her logic first - mainly being when she is talking out against fellow republicans who get caught up in the Jan 6 Insurrection rhetoric.
Except that's not what Alyssa said. It's how Sunny (wrongly) interpreted Alyssa's argument. Alyssa is completely right when it comes to the University Codes of Conduct. Expelling or taking disciplinary action against a student who calls on genocide on campus does not violate the First Amendment because the First Amendment puts limits on the ability of the government to limit speech, not on businesses or other institutions. Alyssa never asked the colleges to go against the constitution.
Sunny herself was defending the "Freedom of Association" and saying "It's consequences not cancel culture" when people were getting fired from their jobs for saying the smallest 'offensive' things... I guess she changes the way she interprets the law depending on the political argument she wants to make :(
all alyssa had to say is that these are private universities, so they can restrict speech, and that would have given dummy her 100th L.
Having sunny on this show is so refreshing. Thank you sunny for all you do.
Oh brother……
She needs to be fired for those remarks...just like they suspended Whoopi for her remarks.
@@j.d.contreras392cry harder clown 🤡
I 2nd the, "Oh brother "remark, and the j.d.contreras remark. 🇺🇲
@@michaellukasiewicz9683 Thanks man. Glad somebody's got a brain. 🇺🇸
Whoopi said it right that all laws should be consistent. One favouring over the other is not fair.
White supremacists who want hate speech against black people protected don’t agree with this statement. Muslim extremists who want hate speech against Jews protected don’t agree with this statement. I guarantee that the American people DO agree with this statement. That’s the problem the extremes of this country have hijacked interpretation of the law when really it should be applied equally.
Except for trump though 😹😂
Huh?
Exactly 💯💯👏
Jews should not have preferencial treatment over the rest of people
Right
Since Alyssa came on Sara is trying to be best friends, lost her morals, soon she will be telling us how she is joining the GOP.
It opens my eyes when started justifying collective punishment on entire civilian for 200 hostages. Yes the hostages should be free but to be okay punishing and cutting of water and electricity etc for 2 million people for 200 ? Show me up how white lives matter to her more than other races.
Exactly she is always onboard with this grifter.
It must be frustrating when nobody is listening to the Lawyer and just keep cutting sunny off
The "lawyer" is completely - and I mean COMPLETELY - wrong here. This isn't about law - they are private institutions who set speech codes and cam and do routinely punish speech they don't like Bit they do so only those which run afoul of their progressive, intersectional worldview.
@WhizzingFish12 You are 💯 right. Yet they ban #Conservatives and people who speak against the #LeftWing #Marxist agenda. 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
Oh because she's a lawyer suddenly its god's words?😂
@@2000av that “god” isn’t real
@@txsailor82 exactly and so is sunny's intelligence..
I feel like antisemitism is taking extremely seriously. I’ve read so many stories about professors and other employees losing their jobs because their words were determined to be antisemitic. It would be nice if other forms of racism and discrimination were treated with the same fervor.
Mel Gibson was right all this time
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This right here.
The thing is, this isn't anti-semitism anymore. It's anti-zionism, because the world is finally seeing the truth that zionism is terrorism. It's not real Judaism.
Zionism is to Judaism, what the KKK/Evangelicals are to Christianity.
Like anti lgbt or transphobia
Isn't it interesting that 3 Palestinian STUDENTS were shot and a 6yo Palestinian boy was stabbed in America? Where is the outrage on legacy media and in the government?
Sara and Alyssa couldn't wait for Sunny to finish talking they both kept interrupting her
As they should!
@@chef1088 go crawl back under the rock you came from 🙄
Thank you Sunny!
I know they are not trying to challenge Sunny on the LAW. Lol, she knows this stuff. Facts are important. Bravo to these Presidents for doing their job. College campuses are where so many of our future leaders are made; expecting them all to be coddled or shutting down any level of discourse is not realistic.
Bruh😂😂😂😂😂 am saying. Like calm down....
Wow sunny only says good things when it comes to black people. but when it comes to other groups it's different.
If Sunny was well versed in the law she’d know what a protected class is and Jewish people have fallen under that category ever since the end of WWII. Jewish students must be protected against Muslim extremists in the same way black students must be protected against white supremacists. The extremist elements are the ones going after regular students for not taking a position they like, hence the targeted harassment which is why Biden’s DOJ is opening inquires into these universities.
@@mariaraqueljimenez3136She doesn't say good things about Latinos?
She didn't say anything good or bad here.
Sunny is not the arbitrator of right and wrong, nor is she always correct. Calling for the genocide of a group of people IS bullying and harassment.
Preach Sunny!!
Sara and Arab Christian woman were signaling each other while Queen Sunny telling the law. Sunny handled well.
I was very confused why a Lebanese Christian woman was identifying as Jewish
Yet Sarah, Joy and Alyssa never mentioned about Palestinian people
So what
Alyssa let Sunny speak!
So frustrating
So annoying
Say that
Ikr...Megan McCain junior 😒
Here yall go with your bias ignorant comments. Funny how everyone else at the table was interrupting her but there’s no comment for that.
As unfortunate as Sunny’s correct interpretation of the law is, the university can’t break the law. I wish free speech didn’t involve heinous speech. Not even public outrage can change the constitution…
Colleges are not held to the same standard as the government is, so that is a blatant lie. The first amendment protects you from punishment from your GOVERNMENT for speech, not your college. Sunny is a lawyer, she knows that, but she spreads lies to justify the attacks on Jews.
Thing is her interpretation isn’t correct. These aren’t protests done on the street with a public permit, these are protests on campuses that receive federal funding. There can’t be targeted harassment against protected classes in schools that receive federal funding since the days of desegregation. Sunny is wrong, by her logic white supremacist groups have a right to protest the existence of black people on their campus, that obviously isn’t the case because no college campus in America has university sanctioned white supremacist groups.
So we're just going to ignore Harvard expelling students for anti-lgbt and anti-black propaganda? Funny how Harvard has done it here. I want to see full records of student expulsions. Let's see how fair Harvard actually is with that implementation
Professors have gotten fired for saying something “offensive” in the past. 😅
@@josedeleon9118 Exactly! Many students and professors have. All of a sudden, the left is protecting free speech? I call out hypocrisy from any side and this is just hypocrisy. Sunny used her lawyer answer to defend it. She knows what she did
Supporting Palestinian people and protesting against their suffering at the hands of Israeli attacks and occupation is NOT antisemitism. Being against the Israeli government’s oppressive policies towards Palestinians is not antisemitism. At this point I’m sick of Israel I wish we would stop supporting them so much smh
Yes and the anti blackness in the Israeli government is also sickening which has deadly consequences. Anti blackness is also a global problem.
The media won't have it any other way. Celebs are getting cancelled for defending innocent Palestinians.. We must support blindly and not question.The news is not objective unfortunately.
@sumerlawrence that’s a fact the news here in America is definitely not objective, that’s why I watch news from multiple sources in multiple countries around the world. It’s fascinating how much clearer the story gets and how much info is left out from out news here!!
Supporting a Israel states is not anti Palestinian either
The U.S. appears out of line with the rest of the Free World because from multiple foreign news sources, while people everywhere were and are appalled at what Hamas did in Israel and want those kidnapped to be returned unharmed, what is being observed and reported now is Netanyahu’s revenge war and collective punishment against the civilian Palestinian population. 20,000 Palestinians dead including over 5,000 children.
Sunny at 8:15 "moral clarity becuse their following the law" Exactly 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Congratulations on being anti Jewish....you just outed yourself
"Moral Clarity" not legal clarity or legal ethics. There are many things that CAN be done within the confines of the law that are morally wrong 😄😄 lawyers and judges do it to us all the time within the law and it is deeply immoral.
The Congresswoman didn't seem to get it. The college presidents were saying that they are just words until it crosses into actions, which would violate the code of conduct. I'm a college student and understand that.
She understands she's pretending not to. It's performative
Literally exactly what I was thinking. You’re the first comment I’ve seen that I fully agree with.
Tamara Tamimi is right: Politicians, HoIIywood and the media dehumanize Palestinians
Everyone missed Sunny's point.
Sarah and Alyssa are refusing to listen to core of Sunny’s argument and continues to parrot conservative arguments that are conflating the statements made by the Harvard presidents. Their inability to look at this topic objectively is disappointing as a fan of both of them.
That was interesting to see Joy tell Sonny to let Alyssa talk
Because Joy and Alyssa are both zionists
She only wants Alyssa to talk if she thinks she’ll agree with her
Shes lefties except on israel.
Karens unite
They are both
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How you gonna argue the lawyer on the panel? How about you listen Alyssa.
Sunny is not the only lawyer in the US. Many lawyers would disagree with her statement.
Sunny is wrong.
Alyssa’s ignorance is DISGUSTING. She’s annoying beyond belief. Sunny - a woman who is an ACTUAL lawyer & actually understands the law - has much more jurisdiction on this than Alyssa. She seems to forget she’s not a lawyer and we’re all well aware she doesn’t actually have a law degree, even though she seems to think she does.
are you nuts. sunny is wrong , and lost her mind.
Sunny Racist Hostin is the dumbest woman on the panel. 😅
As someone who has worked in government, it’s shocking how uneducated Alyssa seems to be about certain topics. Schools are in fact limited in regulating students’ free speech rights. I’m fact, there’s a famous Supreme Court case about it: Tinker v. Des Moines.
Super Fox,
I thought that pigs would sprout wings bf I ever agreed with Sunny, and here we are. Your comment is spot on. I grew up in the south where I actually saw Klan rallies.
It is foul speech, but it is free speech.🤷🏿♂️
That was a public school case, who's uneducated now?
@@georgesrhart still you. Because even private universities (including Harvard) still receive federal funding, which avers them to these standards. And again, notice how the ACTUAL LAWYER in the room, Sunny, said that the Harvard administrators are simply comporting with the letter of the law. So, yeah…
@@superfox5707 cite a single instance of this claim. Im sure Harvard a Private school who makes its own standards would get funding pulled for disciplining students calling for genocide, not smart, and whatever law school she went to should be embarrassed
@@georgesrhart what claim? That private universities get public funding? It happens literally all the time. Research grants, financial aid, etc. And it’s not the threat of having their funding pulled that they’re afraid of. It’s the threat of being sued by students who faced discipline for exercising protected speech. Also, the Harvard administrators didn’t say they wouldn’t take action. They said that action would be taken depending on the context and if the speech became actionable conduct. If and when any student threatens or intimidates Jewish students, they should rightfully expect to be disciplined. But free speech demands that we don’t discipline people for simply stating political opinions that we don’t agree with.
And no, Sunny shouldn’t be embarrassed for simply stating the law.
For the record Alyssa, Muslims also don’t feel comfortable on college campuses either.
These warmonger ladies always interrupt Sunny Hostin 🤬😤🤬😤
Let Sunny SPEAK!
Whoopi is spot on. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
Sunny, "I believe... the children is our future?"
@@srebaayao9616 that was Whitney Houston 😉
But that goes back to what Sunny was saying that even the racist have the right to be protected for their hate speech...it's so complicated.
@@sandrafernandez3839 freedom of speech is different from freedom of consequences
@@sandrafernandez3839the problem is they haven’t been enforcing these rules equally. You have professors and students being expelled for their speech but then protect other groups when they do the same. You can’t have it both ways.
Alyssa using that good old rhetorical tactic to reframe what was said from directing hatful speech at someone (thus becoming actionable) with committing physical violence on someone, reducto ad absurdum. She could have simply made the point that Harvard is a private institution and not bound by the first amendment, which protects speech from gov’t action. Harvard also can make the choice to follow the law as their code of conduct, which it seems they have done.
Sunny on point as always ❤
Alyssa, the massive retaliation by Israel is concerning BECAUSE of their experience and the Holocaust. One would think this would be something the Israeli people would never want to reign down on anyone.
Alyssa is actually right and Sunny’s point made no sense. If Sunny advocated for Genocide she would be fired from the View. The View and the College is not the law. This is about conduct. Also free speech has limitations and genocide is a threat.
Saying that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people and culture is not advocating for genocide, on the contrary. You don’t understand either what sunny is pointing out. The difference between saying something and the context when it is said
@@vereda61that’s not what sunny said at all
Free speech does have limitations and the Supreme Court has already ruled on what those limitations are including on college campuses. Sunny was basically saying that the schools have to comply with the Constitution.
@@lynne709 exactly so if someone is making threats towards a group of people they should be kicked out of the school and charged
5:58 😂😂Thanks for explaining Sunny. I love you girls ❤
Also interesting when Sarah has yet to say anything about the Palestinian women and children arbitrarily detained for years by Israel.
I agree with Sunny but I feel like she uses the “all free speech/hate speech should be protected” card when it’s convenient to her.
I’ve also heard her say the opposite at times mainly about Trump/republicans, she’ll say something like “I know the worst speech should be the most protected but you should be ashamed of yourself for saying that!”
She’ll choose what side of that argument to use depending on the subject matter. Be consistent
that’s because there’s no comparison between a massacre of Palestinians and the petulant whining of a tyrannical despot. I think she’s actually consistent on that front
Your country protects free speech. PERIOD. That means all speech. Follow your American laws.
You’re missing the point. She not arguing in support of what is being said, just the law behind it…Number 1, but Number 2, you’re talking about individual people being able to say and do what they want to do, and Universities who like the government, cannot infringe on first amendment rights. Your employer, if not the government, could reprimand you for gross speech, but not the government. Which goes back to what the university presidents were saying is based on CONTEXT.
I'm with Sunny when she made the face at 8:21 😂😂😂😂
They can be mad and through little hissy fits all they want but Sunny was telling you straight up facts and the truth.
joy telling sunny to let alyssa talk when alyssa had consistently interrupted her, is so wild
Alyssa was ON POINT, using history to prevent another genocide caused by Muslims.
@@Zenithx3 She wasn't "on point".
You've convinced me. @@erauprcwa
I love how sunny can never say anything without being interrupted like will y'all let the woman speak Jesus
No kidding! Sunny had Sarah and Alyssa in stereo!😳
Seriously??? Is this your first day watching the show? Lol because usually Sunny talks over everybody. There's literally entire compilations of her doing it.
I wish they were as vocal about the Genocide in Palestine as they are about words said at a college to a Jewish person. Their selective outrage is very telling…..
Oh sunny this was a great segment to watch you work!! ❤
I agree with Sunny
Me to
Conservatives love Free Speech when its convenient for them. I love Sunny's breakdown of the law
The congresswoman didn't ask what the law is. She asked what each university's anti-bullying policy is. Highlighting the possibility of an antisemitic double standard, just a couple of years ago Harvard withdrew admission of ten students over 'racist' or 'offensive' social media posts (evidence that Harvard students are removed for exercising free speech). Harvard policy makes punishable "unwelcome and offensive conduct that is based on an individual or group’s protected status. Discriminatory harassment may be considered to violate this policy when it is so severe or pervasive, and objectively offensive, that it creates a work, educational, or living environment that a reasonable person would consider intimidating, hostile, or abusive..."
Sunny is dead wrong, a University like ANY entity can have rules that limit, if you were to say something like that a private company they would fire you and the LAW allows that, that was Alyssa's point, you have the FREEDOM OF SPEECH SO THE GOVERNMENT cannot infringe, a University IS NOT the government
Calling out Israel for a Genocide is not Antisemitis, is the true. Free Palestine. Thank You Sunny.
Exactly 💯💯
I think Sunny explained the law very well. If someone uses hate speech publicly it's technically protected. (Granted that person may be "canceled" by the public, but cancellation isnt a legal indictment). However, if someone uses that same hate speech in a one on one interaction it can definitely have legal consequences and be considered harassment. I'm not saying its right or wrong but that is the law. Maybe the law should be changed but Sunny was simply explaining the law.
Universities has expelled students in the past for hate speech.
Remember the whole SAE scandal....That whole fraternity got closed and students got expelled.
Sunny and Whoopi are spot on. Thank goodness they are looking at the whole picture. I can't believe Alyssa goes to "they should all be fired (referring to the University presidents)" Alyssa has two amazing jobs and with out hesitation wants people that are on opposing views to loose their jobs...she said very similar towards the Squad (from Congress).
Sunny is dead wrong. A private school’s code of conduct can indeed prohibit more speech than the first amendment would permit to be prohibited. We’re talking about Harvard, UPenn and MIT.
Having Sunny here in the View and with her background, and education. Really helps me understand. So interesting 🤔
No Sunny, this is not about the law. This is about Harvard's code of conduct. What these people in the hearing made clare is that genocidal language against jews is allowed. Even though any pushback against lbgtq, slightly racist language or conduct would get faculty members fired and students expelled. Sunny os being condescending and willfully ignorant about the subject at hand.
The U.S. Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land. All American universities (whether public or private), companies, etc. have to adhere to the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND when it comes to the Bill of Rights/Constitution. Harvard can't say "oh well we're going to ignore federal law on a federal matter and do what we want!" Hate speech is protected speech in the U.S., but hate CRIMES are punishable.
@thislovemusic when 2 parties enter into a contract, e.g. a faculty member at a school or general employer-employee, they can stipulate a code of conduct and penalties derived if either parties break the agreed upon rules. This is the basis of all contracts. Yes, a contract can not deprive a person of their basic rights, generally speaking, but the parties have agreed on a set of rules of conduct that they can enforce when one party has broken the rules. This is perfectly legal.
So back to the question at hand: hate speech is protected speech. But 2 private parties can agree upon breaking their contract if one of them engages in hate speech. This is not a new, or novel concept. 🙄
Finally an intelligent comment here!
@@otnielbelfor528 you are conflating contract law with constitutional law, which to reiterate, is the supreme law of the land. Whatever agreements are made under a contract entered into by two consenting parties (btw insinuating that admission to a uni is a contract is questionable) must adgere to the Bill of Rights/Amendments of the U.S. Constitution. Are you American? I'm confused as to why you aren't able to grasp this very simple concept about our country's laws.
Thank you Joy, Sara and Alyssa! I agree with Alyssa when she says they should resign. I’m sure they will or they will be forced to.
How come they don’t ask for condemning Isreal for the genocide they’re ACTUALLY committing ?!?!?!!!!!
Because they support this genocide and help green light it with their lies.
I think this needs to be stated as well. "I might not like what you say, but i will protect your right to say it". Voltaire.
Alyssa’s comprehension was low this segment.
That’s nothing new
What part did you think was low?
Alyssa is right tho