Sorry to hear that mate, we'll keep the content pumping. Make sure you follow the @HPA101 Instagram if you don't already, Tim is doing a lot of story content on there which only lasts for 24 hours or so - Taz.
Looking great guys! You’ve got your work cut out for you to be ready in time for the series kickoff, but you also have a great team to pull it off with. Best of luck and I can’t wait to see this build rip some laps once again!
Amazing clip, very informative. I wish I could have a dream project car buil up by you guys. Keep those videos coming, you deserve much larger following
Good tech coming along nicely. Love the fab work. Just made me realise i need to brace my exhaust manifold lol cheers for the reminder 👍😆 if you need a bigger diff I have the cast Ford 8.8 if you run into problems with that one.
Cool update! If one's having problems getting the gearbox output shaft and pinion angles right - for example clearance issues - one may prefer to use the constant-velocity type joints instead of the Hooke. Good excuse for alloy and CF driveshaft 😉 With the engine and transmission oil coolers, there was one of the 'Hypercar' manufactures who specifically mentioned using them in the ducting to the front brakes, partly for packaging, but also because there were some benefits of doing that way. As I recall, it improved the aero', the heat from the coolers helped warm up the brakes when not being used, the discs rotation helped draw air through the heat exchangers, something else I can't remember - maybe simplifying getting rid of the waste air from the coolers?
I think you should flip the air filter over, and route the intake pipe around the left side of radiator ductwork. It's a more direct path to the turbocharger. I like the mirrored oil and transmission coolers.
I was thinking cut it just back from the radiator before it curves up, flip the air filter portion and then join it back up, it looks like it should then be almost a straight shot at the turbo.
You're onto it, this has already been done, keep an eye out for the next update to see what else has progressed too. Shame you can't add pics to replies here like you can on Facebook eh - Taz.
@Mcgoogoo not even! Everyone is doing a k swap or ls. Maybe in other parts of the world it is but where I'm from the racing scene is full of k swaps. We even have sti with honda engines in them lol
The CA18 isn't on the same page, but there has been a lot of SR development to be fair: www.hpacademy.com/blog/how-to-tune-with-shane-t-2010hp-83psi-4-cylinder-sr20-tech-talk/ - Taz.
Forgotten? One of the best known engines in existence lol. Especially in the tuned car world. I'd love to see the "everyone" doing ls and k swaps. I've seen 4 ls swapped cars in my life. All drift cars. And yes I did put a k20 in my mftf a decade ago. But that's the last rear wheel drive k20 I've seen other than a lotus Elise at the same time and the track cars that are built with them...
Looking forward to see what the lap times are compared to the v8. If I was a betting man I'd put my money on the 4cyl being quicker over a race distance. Provided the heat is managed. Fascinating times ahead
Yes we tend to agree. The SR20 is lighter and should be able to make more power so it's hard to see how it won't be faster. Reliability and cooling are the big unknowns though.
@9:57 is the intercooler placed upside down for clearance reasons ?? what about the crash bar as well when the piping is on... Also how will the upside down orientation despite being an intercooler and its job not being hindered, but lets say oil or blow-by getting into there how would that affect the intercooler if it gets clogged in this orientation versus "right side up". (hope i didnt make this too confusing lol)
Turbo bracing...What is the best way? I know youve mentioned rose joints, which I understand as they can allow movement during heat cycles. But they can only allow for sideways type movement, and dont allow for compression or extension type movement. ???
There's an inherent compromise with any bracing as the turbo manifold naturally will expand as it heats up. The rod ends allow this movement to occur while still providing vertical support. The downside is that the brace only allows movement in the same radius that the rod ends move through. It's still a superior option to no brace or a completely rigid brace - Andre
My only question is why you do not run a small inlet from an area just outside the bonnet exit for the radiator/intercooler set-up heat exhaust. There's naturally a high pressure area where the oncoming air builds up against the windscreen. So why not use this area as an intake vented through the hood and straight into your intake system. This would mean you could run the compressed air straight out the compressor housing and into the custom end tanks with very minor loss of efficiency due to the piping having any bends beyond a 45° and then your engine intake could be a straight line almost from the intercooler exit to engine intake? This itself would simplify turbo piping and the aero and hood exit to get heat out of the bay plus increase the downforce. You could also potentially put the turbo lower in the bay and further back perhaps with the entire intake system being insulated and your dump and a screamer pipe both using the brake ducts post rotor gas flow path to try and get the car its best aero outcome....???
I would suggest changing the oil feed fitting on the top of the turbo from an aluminum one to a stainless steel one, a little more reliable on an oil feed...
Putting the engine into this chassis wasn't planned, it's a last minute attempt to still go racing. The alternative was stock 3UZ which would have not been worth the money to race at all this season given what else is in that class. We're still a rookie team but we'd rather not just be a back marker - Taz.
I am still working on my LS/4L80e setup in my BMW 540i with M5 diff. This diff is slightly offset from center as well. I would think that the horizontal offset angle would be enough to work the U-joints even if I setup the vertical angle to exact zero in relation to eachother vertically. In my reading I found that absolute parallel and 1-3 degrees angle on input and output is ideal. Am I correct in this logic or do I need to create a vertical offset as well?
Yup! You consider it where you can. There are 2 drivers with very different weights which will drive this so there isn't anything you can do exacting in that respect, but as you can see the dry sump reservoir is on the passenger side as is the fuel surge tank etc 🤘 - Taz.
With radiator piggyback onto the intercooler...wouldnt it heatsoak the intercooler? Im thinking to space those 2 a couple of inches atleast 2" or up to 4" The cooler the intercooler the better iat right? The safer the engine will be.. 1hour endurance is a longgggg run
if i understand correct,will the intercooler be at the exact same height and wide in front of the basic cooler/radiator?if that is how the air will cool the basic cooler/radiator?
The specific laser level we used is a Bosch product that's designed for the building industry. The digital level is another building product and you should be able to find plenty of options for both at a home improvement store - Andre
We were using a TTi GTO but have switched to a Holinger sequential. It was a pretty difficult decision as they are not cheap, but we just couldn't get rid of vibrations from the TTi GTO boxes (we had and used 2 which were constantly in and out of the car due to this and wear issues). That said, for the money the TTi GTOs are OK and seem to have some really good success in speedway cars etc. We have had 0 issues from the Holinger so far as we would expect/want for the price - Taz.
what size turbo is that? I'm very interested in seeing the turbo bracing solution you guys come up with...and i just learned why my driveshaft is vibrating under overrun or coasting conditions. my driveshaft angle at the transmission is 1° opposite of the differential...
Yup it should pop up in one of these releases as well for you 🤘 I don't think you need an IG account to see some of the content there too though: instagram.com/p/CED786kB0Th/ - Taz.
With so many other changes at the same time it will be hard to tell to be honest. Aero, tyre and rim size, brake package and more is all new with this engine package. All exciting but a shame for a direct comparison between engines eh - Taz.
The specific laser level we used is a Bosch product that's designed for the building industry. The digital level is another building product and you should be able to find plenty of options for both at a home improvement store - Andre
Is anyone aware of a kit for this conversion? My VET is almost complete and I'm tossing up if it goes in my S13 or I get an 86 shell (full track usage).
Kevin, fire us an email mate, myself or Lauren will sort you out. Gold Membership should give you access to the forums and members only webinars: support@hpacademy.com - Taz.
We didn't have one of those laying around already built ready to drop in last minute 😎 A 3UZ-FE was the plan, but it was delayed, so rather than not race... - Taz. #engineswapingnoiseintensifies
Are you serious, why why??? I know a lot of people always do the 1j or 2js with these. But honestly I would have went for a 3sge beams motor before looking at any SR.
There are some more details here, but we're SR fans too. At the end of the day no matter what engine goes in someone has a different idea of what should be done, which they are free to do to themselves 😉 - ruclips.net/video/3M4mYIdvdJM/видео.html - Taz.
@@hpa101 yeah I suppose fair enough if you are all SR fans I do believe there is more aftermarket support for the SR compared to the beams. And having a built motor already around in the timeframe you fellowes wanted is understandable didn't realise on a time crunch.
@@igvtec in all honesty after tuning more 3SGE beams engines and SR20VE engines over the years, the VE head is simply in a different league. I've never seen a beams engine come close to what a stock VE head can lay down. Nissan really out did themselves here - Andre
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Thank y’all for the videos. They are a great distraction from the hurricanes destroying my moms house
hope you get some aid from gov to ease the burden at this dire time
Thank you! She is safe and we can replace any stuff.
Where is this hurricane?
Hope everything will be allright.
Sorry to hear that mate, we'll keep the content pumping. Make sure you follow the @HPA101 Instagram if you don't already, Tim is doing a lot of story content on there which only lasts for 24 hours or so - Taz.
Jarek Nowak Lake Charles, Louisiana.
Looking great guys! You’ve got your work cut out for you to be ready in time for the series kickoff, but you also have a great team to pull it off with. Best of luck and I can’t wait to see this build rip some laps once again!
Just found this build series really looking forward to watching the progress
That's one happy piece of car at 7:48
Awesome channel.you tuned my Evo years ago.went well
Subscribed
Those aprons are looking on-point boys!
Thanks guys I'm happy you followed one of my suggestions
Amazing clip, very informative. I wish I could have a dream project car buil up by you guys. Keep those videos coming, you deserve much larger following
Good tech coming along nicely. Love the fab work. Just made me realise i need to brace my exhaust manifold lol cheers for the reminder 👍😆 if you need a bigger diff I have the cast Ford 8.8 if you run into problems with that one.
Cool update!
If one's having problems getting the gearbox output shaft and pinion angles right - for example clearance issues - one may prefer to use the constant-velocity type joints instead of the Hooke. Good excuse for alloy and CF driveshaft 😉
With the engine and transmission oil coolers, there was one of the 'Hypercar' manufactures who specifically mentioned using them in the ducting to the front brakes, partly for packaging, but also because there were some benefits of doing that way. As I recall, it improved the aero', the heat from the coolers helped warm up the brakes when not being used, the discs rotation helped draw air through the heat exchangers, something else I can't remember - maybe simplifying getting rid of the waste air from the coolers?
I think you should flip the air filter over, and route the intake pipe around the left side of radiator ductwork. It's a more direct path to the turbocharger. I like the mirrored oil and transmission coolers.
I was thinking cut it just back from the radiator before it curves up, flip the air filter portion and then join it back up, it looks like it should then be almost a straight shot at the turbo.
You're onto it, this has already been done, keep an eye out for the next update to see what else has progressed too. Shame you can't add pics to replies here like you can on Facebook eh - Taz.
Nice to meet you tim! 🤙
the SR is the forgotten gem!!!
@Mcgoogoo not even! Everyone is doing a k swap or ls. Maybe in other parts of the world it is but where I'm from the racing scene is full of k swaps. We even have sti with honda engines in them lol
CA18 and SR20 are not in the same class as 4G and K20, imho.
The CA18 isn't on the same page, but there has been a lot of SR development to be fair: www.hpacademy.com/blog/how-to-tune-with-shane-t-2010hp-83psi-4-cylinder-sr20-tech-talk/ - Taz.
Forgotten? One of the best known engines in existence lol. Especially in the tuned car world.
I'd love to see the "everyone" doing ls and k swaps. I've seen 4 ls swapped cars in my life. All drift cars. And yes I did put a k20 in my mftf a decade ago. But that's the last rear wheel drive k20 I've seen other than a lotus Elise at the same time and the track cars that are built with them...
@@AdamMGTF In the US it's "forgotten" because we never got a turbo version and only a handful of SR20DE cars.
Looking forward to see what the lap times are compared to the v8.
If I was a betting man I'd put my money on the 4cyl being quicker over a race distance. Provided the heat is managed. Fascinating times ahead
Yes we tend to agree. The SR20 is lighter and should be able to make more power so it's hard to see how it won't be faster. Reliability and cooling are the big unknowns though.
I've met Tim. Proper GC.
100% Really enjoying working with him so far 😎 - Taz.
Another great video. Makes me want to get out there and complete my own project
I'd really enjoy an in depth segment on the fabrication of the ducting
love the tec content keep them coming thanks hpa
@9:57 is the intercooler placed upside down for clearance reasons ?? what about the crash bar as well when the piping is on...
Also how will the upside down orientation despite being an intercooler and its job not being hindered, but lets say oil or blow-by getting into there how would that affect the intercooler if it gets clogged in this orientation versus "right side up". (hope i didnt make this too confusing lol)
Turbo bracing...What is the best way? I know youve mentioned rose joints, which I understand as they can allow movement during heat cycles. But they can only allow for sideways type movement, and dont allow for compression or extension type movement. ???
There's an inherent compromise with any bracing as the turbo manifold naturally will expand as it heats up. The rod ends allow this movement to occur while still providing vertical support. The downside is that the brace only allows movement in the same radius that the rod ends move through. It's still a superior option to no brace or a completely rigid brace - Andre
My only question is why you do not run a small inlet from an area just outside the bonnet exit for the radiator/intercooler set-up heat exhaust. There's naturally a high pressure area where the oncoming air builds up against the windscreen. So why not use this area as an intake vented through the hood and straight into your intake system. This would mean you could run the compressed air straight out the compressor housing and into the custom end tanks with very minor loss of efficiency due to the piping having any bends beyond a 45° and then your engine intake could be a straight line almost from the intercooler exit to engine intake?
This itself would simplify turbo piping and the aero and hood exit to get heat out of the bay plus increase the downforce.
You could also potentially put the turbo lower in the bay and further back perhaps with the entire intake system being insulated and your dump and a screamer pipe both using the brake ducts post rotor gas flow path to try and get the car its best aero outcome....???
Lot of love for the Toyota V8 so very sad
Yeah wasn't the plan but better than nothing and we do love a good SR as well - Taz.
I would suggest changing the oil feed fitting on the top of the turbo from an aluminum one to a stainless steel one, a little more reliable on an oil feed...
Was that ceramic coating on the headers and turbine inlet piping?
No, the headers are just raw stainless steel at this stage. We aren't going to have time to coat them unfortunately.
You blokes (and rugby) make me love New Zealand a little more each day.
(maybe Rocket Lab too?)
surprised you didn't go for a low mount turbo, it seems like it would alleviate some of your packaging constraints.
Putting the engine into this chassis wasn't planned, it's a last minute attempt to still go racing. The alternative was stock 3UZ which would have not been worth the money to race at all this season given what else is in that class. We're still a rookie team but we'd rather not just be a back marker - Taz.
I am still working on my LS/4L80e setup in my BMW 540i with M5 diff. This diff is slightly offset from center as well. I would think that the horizontal offset angle would be enough to work the U-joints even if I setup the vertical angle to exact zero in relation to eachother vertically. In my reading I found that absolute parallel and 1-3 degrees angle on input and output is ideal. Am I correct in this logic or do I need to create a vertical offset as well?
Are you thinking about the fact that the driver’s weight is offset to one side when you’re mounting other weighty components in the car?
Yup! You consider it where you can. There are 2 drivers with very different weights which will drive this so there isn't anything you can do exacting in that respect, but as you can see the dry sump reservoir is on the passenger side as is the fuel surge tank etc 🤘 - Taz.
With radiator piggyback onto the intercooler...wouldnt it heatsoak the intercooler?
Im thinking to space those 2 a couple of inches atleast 2" or up to 4"
The cooler the intercooler the better iat right? The safer the engine will be.. 1hour endurance is a longgggg run
just wondering if you at least considered a 2GR-FE instead of the SR20VE
Nope! More details here: ruclips.net/video/3M4mYIdvdJM/видео.html - Taz.
if i understand correct,will the intercooler be at the exact same height and wide in front of the basic cooler/radiator?if that is how the air will cool the basic cooler/radiator?
Do you guys have a recommendation on where to get the Lazar measuring kit? I have a basic one. But it can't do this sort of thing. It's more for DIY.
The specific laser level we used is a Bosch product that's designed for the building industry. The digital level is another building product and you should be able to find plenty of options for both at a home improvement store - Andre
@@hpa101 thanks Andre! I'll ask some friends in the building trade. The DIY stuff here is rubbish. Appreciate the reply!
The only thing missing is some Mitsubishi and Honda parts.
IT would be the ultimate japanese version od Frankenstein's monster.
We'll see what we can do. I guess technically being an 86 there is some Subaru spirit in there too somewhere still as well - Taz.
What gearbox are you using for this sr20vet setup
We were using a TTi GTO but have switched to a Holinger sequential. It was a pretty difficult decision as they are not cheap, but we just couldn't get rid of vibrations from the TTi GTO boxes (we had and used 2 which were constantly in and out of the car due to this and wear issues).
That said, for the money the TTi GTOs are OK and seem to have some really good success in speedway cars etc.
We have had 0 issues from the Holinger so far as we would expect/want for the price - Taz.
what size turbo is that? I'm very interested in seeing the turbo bracing solution you guys come up with...and i just learned why my driveshaft is vibrating under overrun or coasting conditions. my driveshaft angle at the transmission is 1° opposite of the differential...
It's a Garrett GTX3076R GEN II. Check out our instagram (@hpa101) and scroll back as theres a post detailing the turbo brace - Andre
@@hpa101 i don't have an Instagram Andre, but will you guys be making a video on the turbo bracing anyway? thanks for the reply💪
Yup it should pop up in one of these releases as well for you 🤘
I don't think you need an IG account to see some of the content there too though: instagram.com/p/CED786kB0Th/ - Taz.
I wonder how much this new engine will change the handling.
In fact yesterday i watched a SVX engine swap in a race build BRZ.
With so many other changes at the same time it will be hard to tell to be honest. Aero, tyre and rim size, brake package and more is all new with this engine package.
All exciting but a shame for a direct comparison between engines eh - Taz.
What model/brand tool was used for the engine and gearbox angle alignment? I'd like to buy one
Look up laser levels
@@getahanddown cheers for the reply any recommendations for the tool used to measure the angle of the diff and gearbox output flange. instant angle?
The specific laser level we used is a Bosch product that's designed for the building industry. The digital level is another building product and you should be able to find plenty of options for both at a home improvement store - Andre
An SR20 would pull up premium 4.5 weeks before Race Wars Endurance Championship.
What ya feeling Lance. 40 Weight...50 Weight...
Hector will hook you up.
Question I wanna ask is..can I use a mitsubishi ecm in a next car?. And is yes how can i trix the ecm
Anything is possible with enough time and money, however, I doubt it would be worth the effort - Taz.
Is anyone aware of a kit for this conversion?
My VET is almost complete and I'm tossing up if it goes in my S13 or I get an 86 shell (full track usage).
Would this information apply to a rotory swap?
Anything specific? - Taz.
I sighned up for the gold membership and i seem to be habing trouble viewing any of the courses..Can anyone help me?
Kevin, fire us an email mate, myself or Lauren will sort you out. Gold Membership should give you access to the forums and members only webinars: support@hpacademy.com - Taz.
@@hpa101 Taz i left you a Email
Why a older 4 banger? Not a 6 or a Toyota v8.
We didn't have one of those laying around already built ready to drop in last minute 😎 A 3UZ-FE was the plan, but it was delayed, so rather than not race... - Taz. #engineswapingnoiseintensifies
Outro Bro!
easy stuff 😆
Should knock it out in a weekend - Taz,.
Why a nissan engine
It's what we had laying around here ready to go - Taz.
All that money to brake rockers
Are you serious, why why??? I know a lot of people always do the 1j or 2js with these. But honestly I would have went for a
3sge beams motor before looking at any SR.
There are some more details here, but we're SR fans too. At the end of the day no matter what engine goes in someone has a different idea of what should be done, which they are free to do to themselves 😉 - ruclips.net/video/3M4mYIdvdJM/видео.html - Taz.
@@hpa101 yeah I suppose fair enough if you are all SR fans I do believe there is more aftermarket support for the SR compared to the beams. And having a built motor already around in the timeframe you fellowes wanted is understandable didn't realise on a time crunch.
@@igvtec in all honesty after tuning more 3SGE beams engines and SR20VE engines over the years, the VE head is simply in a different league. I've never seen a beams engine come close to what a stock VE head can lay down. Nissan really out did themselves here - Andre
Reliable and sr20 don't belong in the same sentence lol.
Design and guy uses cardboard lolololol
Yup! 'Cardboard Aided Design' is a valid process 🤘 - Taz.