Immigration Is Good For Britain | Monica Ali
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- Опубликовано: 30 янв 2014
- Monica Ali gives her argument that Immigration is good for Britain.
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Monica Ali spends most of her debate referencing most of the points raised by the opposition.
Filmed on Thursday 23rd January 2014
MOTION: This House Believes postwar Britain has seen too much immigration.
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ABOUT MONICA ALI:
Monica Ali is a Bangladeshi-born British writer and novelist. In 2003 she was selected as one of the ""Best of Young British Novelists"" by Granta magazine based on her unpublished manuscript; her debut novel, Brick Lane, was published later that year. It was shortlisted for the Man Booker Prize. It was adapted as a 2007 film of the same name.
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Monica Ali is from Bangladesh. Why doesn't Bangladesh open up its borders and allow everyone into their nation, if immigration is so good?
It was open once and had lost its freedom and property.
Deport all them here.I am a Bangladeshi.They make excuses on colonialism and move there.Immigration is bad for all Europe
now they won't take afganistan refugees.
They are many Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh.
No real arguments. Just characters assassination and insults at the side opposing the motion.
She knew she didn't have one. 11mins of struggle! Smh
11 more mins to death and I still have no idea what her point is.....
Classic strawman arguments
Absolutely! This was a very shallow argument to make . This woman is just dump.
Monica spends the first three minutes calling those on the opposition right wing racists and misogynists. Interesting how Douglas didn't stoop to that level and just stuck to debating the facts.
saved time for me thx
'women would be made to clean behind the fridge'
...I genuinely don't understand what that point was supposed to be.
may be,she has indicated about male domination.
Nodding at imaginary misogyny. 🙄
Send them back. Absolutely.
I'd certainly rather be fearful than apathetic.
Ironic that a Pakistani would say that when Romanians (excluding the ethnic Gyspies) integrate much faster than Pakistanis who lived for decades in the UK
An immigrant lecturing native british people on why immigration is good is like coming into some strangers house, living there and telling them it actually benefits them.
*What do you mean by 'native'?*
@@haza123b4 I think he means the white people whose ancestors actually created British history and culture. Tbh, if I came from a 3rd world country and immigrated to a 1st world country (no matter what race the natives are), I too would be desperate to claim I am one of them in hopes that I would be able to stay. Then I would say “well, ‘xx’ country was always full of immigrants” then I’d say “but I grew up here and learned the culture” and if that didn’t work then I’d say “you can’t kick me out. That’s racism!” I’m just being honest. I would do that.
Yeah, just like British colonization of South Asia including the same country from where she came from. The same colonization which drained India of wealth and made the Brits richer.
@@adwaitab.3622 wealth, once created, must be sustained. Britain became wealthy through industrialisation. India was never wealthy; only had a high gdp due to large population.
@@adwaitab.3622 nope.....lol
Every single argument from the left side is based on impractical superficial morality. All three are foreigners aswell.Coincidence?
Britain the land mass is colonised by Foreigners you can go back farther than William 1st , Romans et al. Get real it is not possessed it posesses
Of course we don't want to send back immigrants who have already settled here, they're British now, and if some are having trouble integrating, we need to help them. *But*, we do need tighter controls on current and future immigration, for the good of everybody who lives here, including, or even especially, past immigrants.
Dave Catleugh for Prime Minister.
People tend to think that people like us want an end to ALL immigration which is rubbish. They also think that they we go crazy at the sight of anything vaguely foreign. Again no only if it is threatening the fundamental values of the country do we take any interest. We are simply worried about the RATES of immigration. It has been up in the hundreds of thousands. Let's maybe remove a couple of those hundreds of thousands. It would still be lot even with cutbacks when you think about it. I'm from Canada and here we've been cutting down immigration from 350,000 a year to 150,000. That is still a lot of people. The UK wouldn't lose people from diverse backgrounds. All this crap in the media about immigration concerns being stocked by racism is just post-modernist intellectual white noise that is made by a bunch of popinjay ticklebrains.
israel sent back a lot of people who weren't israelis. i don't see why britain can't do the same.
Lol what? 99% of the migrants in britain don't give a shit about britain. What makes them british? Their passport?
Hi i appreciate ur kindness and as a student of english literature in which i have read lots of British writers so i m in love with the country 👍🌹🙏😘
This woman is not very well informed, or delusional. and twists the truth.
Does anybody know who won the debate or is there any continued version of this debate???
Now i'm generally sympathetic to the immigration is good argument, but her arguments made my eyes bleed. Ad hominem much?
Before she commenced her speech I knew she too was an immigrant... Immigration can be dangerous when the people of the particular country become minority. When people take sides on religion, race or culture instead of looking at the national interest. Economy is not only the factor... We have to see other issues too.
Ethnic Emiratis in the UAE seem to be doing ok despite being outnumbered by immigrants and their descendants. You could say the same about Taiwan
In the first opening statements, Monica Ali undermined everything Baron Singh and Nadhim Zahawi said about the need to look at the subject with clarity and rationality with her horrible rhetoric and smearing of their opponents in the debate.
Typical left, smear the characters of the opposition then they don't have to debate the actual topic of conversation. This is exactly how out of control and uncontrollable (EU) immigration was allowed call them racists etc. it's precisely the same tactic they tried to use on UKIP during the election. Same old tricks for the same old parties
As an immagrant I can say mass immagration is shit, Britian is white and british, Uganda is black and ugandan, russia is white and russian and china is asian and chinese.
This is a little silly. A terrible strawman for the first 3 minutes, none of which had anything to do with the actual topic at hand. She of course calls them right wing cowardly racists, cant have a single decent discussion without that being thrown about. Then she continues to strawman.
She could not be exposed where she was born. What a disgrace.
"Monica Ali" has to go back
I would paper bag it for sure.
Out of all the people on this series I think Douglas Murray made the most sense. As an American, I guess I'm naturally more sympathetic to immigrants - my mother was one, and about 20% of this country's (America's) citizens were born in other countries. But the UK is not America. The U.S. has always needed immigration to move forward as a nation, and this is only becoming more evident, despite a small, vocal minority. By 2065, about one in three Americans will have been born abroad.
But the UK is a small, island nation that throughout history has been fairly homogeneous. It, like most other European nations, seems to be extremely awful at integrated foreign cultures and ethnicity. Until that problem is fixed I don't see the problem with controls on immigration. But it does need to be fixed.
The UK had better fix it. It is rapidly changing ethnically. Even since you posted this comment the demographics have shifted significantly. But especially in the past 30 years. The world is globalized, this is the future, we ain't going back. There is no going back. As a Canadian, in a nation built completely from immigrants in fairly recent history just as the USA was, it is easy to see how this works and the inevitability of it all.
One of the weakest arguments for pro immigration I have ever heard. How dare she insult Douglas Murray she isn’t fit the clean his shoes.
Well why not reference the “studies” you have seen at least Douglas cited his
Her Surname says it all....A woman with forked tongue...Thank God for Douglas Murray :)
wow she's really nasty, no other speaker opened up by trying to personally trash the others.
Embarassing. Anyway she is an immigrant, so how could she say the opposite?
Not a single valid point. Those were all straw man arguments. She's trying to make the other side feel bad and racist when in reality she just comes off as defensive and immature.
11 minutes of emotions rather than logical thinking. Congratulations for living up to a gender stereotype love
Well she is not living up to gender stereotype but she is living up to stupidity
Yes, Monica Ali's arguments are very convincing. She has won me over. 👍
Her name is Monica Ali
If you can't handle a less than 15 mins speech of her words I doubt any of you read any of her books! Two I would suggest to read before commenting would be 1. Love Marriage 2. Brick Lane and I would aid in enlightening some of you by explaining what she said as simply as possible!
Immigration is a good thing but colonization in combination with oppression is not. The better we can learn and understand each other the fear can be eliminated over time as we have done so in many ways today but still is a work in progress!
I would focus on where she speaks on our emotions verses logic and understanding the levels of society and how our fear and emotions can act as catalysts into darker areas of that same society.
Overcrowding! Has she not heard of the housing crisis?
What was the ultimate conclusion? Who won?
caz earle NOT her
Monica Ali, your intellectual condescension is alarming. Look at the mess we are all in now. Why is a remittance outside our economy a good thing? I would venture that it is a very bad thing.
Selected migration. Not mass migration of people in search for a living in welfare and urge to change society to a religious state.
Some people have a little mind, we can't say who are welcomed or not in a part of PLANET EARTH. We are ONE humanity. In ONE world. THIS is one of the main problems, people like that, who divide the world. People who think that can deny or not the access to anyone they specify, like foreign students or muslims. Do you realize that the natural future evolution of humanity is the one that is UNITED, who work together and join forces? One which cares for everyone and help each other to increase their potential, which cares for all the children? They are years behind with that mentality. The evolved humans will take care of everyone, because they understand that working together we are STRONGER. BUT, the ones who are corrupt, evil, psychopaths, thieves, or malicious in any way, THOSE are the ones that must be restricted from coming to ANY country, NOT those who can bring and improve our world, or our Great Britain, those must be accepted, then humanity will strive.
"The problem is fear" 9:42, or raw knowledge of thing's actually seen and felt.
Then straight away pulls the victim card!
Pathetic!!! 🙄
It seems it is the population itself that wants less immigration. UKIP politics are easy to poke holes in it but that doesn't address the democratic point that it is the will of the people.
Only th ppl know wot's going on around them. Not th ivory tower dwellers!
What's her name?
Didn't hear any strong arguments.
:)))))))))))) did she use the erik cartman smurf table model for this speech?
"Assimilation is itself a concept of more recent vintage. Its assocation with immigration didn't really begin in earnest until the 1800s, accelerating in the aftermath of the waves of Ellis Island migrants.
A lot of Americans fetishize assimilation (and understandably so, because they think the alternative is Mad Max Beyond Anglodome), but its more myth than reality as a workable concept. Assimilation in anything but the most superficial adornments is near impossible, because genetic habits of mind have a lot of inertia and are hard to dislodge by cultural pressures."
-Donald Trump
3 signs of a dishonest argument
1. After being told "That is not what I said" you continue to argue a point your opponent did not agree to themselves holding.
2. You characterize them personally and not the argument.
3. Lastly, you use dog whistling language. Such as old metaphors or other language to bring a more sinister idea/history to the audiences minds
All 3 are dishonest and are meant only to win a crowd you've already deemed your language to resonate with
Convincing yourself and your crowd you are above understanding others or deeming them worth have a dialogue with
2020 census doesn't look any better
Immigration is a great thing when it is done legally, this countries open door policy will be our ruination.
I am still waiting for her arguments!! 😂
A good presentation, however it was on the wrong subject.
It was England who told us about there superiority so we came to England to settle here.... Now its reverse.... 🤣🤣🤣
Why is the timekeeper clapping, shouldn't she be neutral? @ 4.50 remittances go directly to the poor people?? yes you didn't watch the documentary that proved they can save £20 to £40.000 a year to send home to build big houses for themselves. One question I would ask Monica is if Britain and the British are all you say then why do the foreigners flood here in their hundreds of thousands a year, and some can't even be bothered to do it legally. @ 9.30 I wonder what she thinks now about her speech with all the trouble in Europe as of 11/2015 it shows they all including her simply sensationalise for the moment.
Nhs isn’t free though
The lady speaker didn't answer any of the statistics given. Plus she probably never had to work in factory's where its full of Poles and its hard to get this type of work with immigration many graduates and professionals are fundi g it difficult
Immigration has served us well up till recent years. The idea that multiculturism does`nt work fell by the wayside when the curry became our national dish of choice, or when Bob Marley came to Brittain and set of a huge variety of popular music revolutions. The problem begins with immigrant populations who refuse to even speak our language let alone intigrate and march toward changing our society and laws to those from which they fled or came from. Like Socrates said "i am of Athens, but a citizen of the world", a value we should all take on board....
Here, Hear!
BudIsland of on a rant again, and just when i was thinking "nobody will see this", lol. but thats how i feel, immigration is not a bad thing as long as its controlled and in the best interests of all parties. I would love to move to Canada (thanks to the trailer park boys) and i am qualified to the teeth with diploma`s and a trade in telecommunications engineering, but cant because of my criminal record. But some one who has nothing to offer other than fleeing a horrible regime can??? does`nt seem fair...
caitgems1 can't get a pardon after X n of years?
BudIsland how is immigration in Canada? you are one of the most sought after locations for people wanting to migrate. Has your government went mad with the numbers allowed in?
With the forcasted development and existing oil and gas fields, the projected numbers of engineers, techs and tradesman, (in the tens of thousands) the country cannot train people fast enough to meet existing natural attrition let alone any new development.
I lost interest when I seen her second name. Immigrant stock. She shouldn't have any rights to say whether we should have immigration or not. She's not even a true Brit.
and your second name is what? lmb? go home and have a cheap cig!
waqas lmb, my last name? No and I'm sure your name isn't really waqas either you moron. It's called a "display name" which doesn't have to tie in with your real name does it? And I don't smoke either. Lame arguments from a lame person. Jog on kid.
@@waqas rip
Haahaa, too many butt hurt Douglas Murray fans. She discredited his evidences and you did not like.
Dear prospective foreign students - read the comments below - you are not welcome in the UK.
Take your money elsewhere.
So too should you rich Arabs - stop propping up many London businesses.
Go to Dubai instead.
Many of the British clearly hate foreigners so keep away.
*****
3 rapes?
How many per year in your country?
Where are you from, I can google it.
Whilst I wait for your answer, here are some stats:
Approximately 85,000 women are raped on average in England and Wales every year
Over 400,000 women are sexually assaulted each year
1 in 5 women (aged 16 - 59) has experienced some form of sexual violence since the age of 16.
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Hypocritical fool
*****
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.All races and all religions commit rape, but only Islam punishes women for being raped. That's my point.
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And it is a flawed point for many reasons.
It is not an Islamic concept. You'll need to look at the individual cases to see what the details were. Dubai is not an Islamic state - it is , a country with a muslim majority and Islam-flavoured laws.
Women get punished for rape in other cultures too, You can find whacky anecdotes everywhere.
Women are treated badly in the West too, There are terrible abuses which Muslims would find abhorrent. I'm sure I can do a search and bring up cases where victims are treated with contempt. I can't remember the details now but there are plenty of people who feel that the law protects criminals and not the victim.
If you want to play which country is dirtier than another I can get googling.
Suffice it to say Dubai is a peaceful place and one where people feel safe.
There is a big difference to many countries where crime and immorality is rife. Please let me know if you want details on this. Or simply watch some Jeremy Kyle programs on youtube to hear tales of incest, abuse etc.
The problem with Dubai is that it doesn't like the idea of immorality creeping into its country - perhaps you'll only be truly happy when they have topless beaches, flashers , dogging and pedophiles that pay to have Thai babies molested for their gratification.
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Did you hear about the Lost Prophets singer who got women to agree to
sexually abuse their own children for his pleasure?
I don't see you making a big deal about that .
Boy if he was Muslim, your typing hand would be overheating by now
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Hypocrite.
*****
A 22-year-old woman is critical after being allegedly gang-raped by 13 men on the orders of village elders in India’s eastern state of West Bengal, reports say.
The elders meted out the rape as punishment for the woman’s involvement with a man from another community. The 13 men involved in ordering the punishment and in the rape have been arrested, reports said.
“It’s horrific. They (rapists) are all our neighbours and I call some of them as kaka (uncle) and some others as dada (elder brother) or bhai (brother),” said a report in The Hindustan Times newspaper, quoting the woman.
The elders, who form what is known locally as “salishi sabha” (Greivance Committee), spelt out the punishment though they do not have any status under the Indian legal system
*****
Rape victim 'told by her Christian college that trying to have her alleged attacker punished was harassment'
Victim says alleged attacker wasn't adequately punished for sexual assault
Claims Hanover College pressured her into not pressing criminal charges
Made repeat attempts to have alleged rape by ex-boyfriend taken seriously
Says she then suffered two years of harassment when case was dismissed
Now her ex and his new girlfriend are claiming they are being harassed
Indiana-based college agrees, saying calls for punishment are harassment
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Westernophobic? My you have a poor grasp of logic.
If you look carefully, it goes something like this.
1 - Ady is a Foul anti-Islamist who has a very lopsided view of Islam filled with negative preconceptions.
2 - Ady is extremely critical of minor stories in Dubai yet showing very little interest to the horrors that go on in the 'west'
3 - vicachcoup points out this imbalance and hypocrisy by giving examples of vile abuses found in western societies with the aim of getting Ady to see how simplistic, immature and imbalanced his world view is
4 - Ady fails to understand simple logic and arrives at the erroneous unsubstantiated view that vicachcoup is verging on westernophobia
5 - Ady still doesn't get it and returns to harping on about an anecdotal case in Dubai and then posting more examples of information that fits his bias.
6 - vicaccoup realises that Ady is a bit slow on logic and gives a sigh.
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Ady asks
So is it true that in Dubai, if a woman reports to the police that's she has been raped, she will be punished? Yes or no?
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My dear misguided and simplistic friend. I don't read sensationalist headlines and assume that I am getting the full story.
I wonder what the details are of the case.
In my line of work, I have come to understand that humans are almost always very poor when it comes to logic and rich when it comes to emotional thinking. Idon't find that professionals are immune from distortion either.
If you want to make a discussion out of this, I need to know the full details of each case, including the views of the victim, the views of those that prosecuted her and the views of those that can can explain what the legal position is in Dubai.
Failing that, I have very little information with which to answer your question other than some news reports of doubtful accuracy and comprehensiveness that I could find on google[ I might look it up anyway, after this].
What most people don't realise is that real discussions need real discussion and not just soundbite, emotional, knee-jerk mind burps.
If I was you, I'd get a bottle of Gaviscon.
Results of the motion??
I support the point but I wish she'd talk a bit bloody faster, it's so painful listening to her.
On some videos not all, but this is one of them, you can speed up the playback on the quality menu.
what a showcase of strawman arguments and ad hominem. Absolutely no arguments of any substance.
whe is this muslim woman to tell Britains what is good for britain?
Absolutely stunning words.
FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN IS THE KEY TO FUTURE HATRED
Starting your speech with personal attack on a strawman. Yes, we all know what the Iq range is here.
My attention span is not as limited, I think this is just right. Not to slow, not to fast. And finally someone addresses how xenophobic the tone had been.
Ha
Jesus Christ this was just terrible. Don't even bother listening to the end.
She's right on that. It's something the people who have trouble with it ought to consider in it's implications. That dosn't mean it's wrong to think so, it means that the implications of what ones problems are should be considerd.
The tragic thing is too that I am enteirly inclined people who migrated here (germany) may actually percive things to be that way themselves, stemming from an idea that well If you just act that ans that way.... But that's Not the total of it and we ought to recognice so sooner rather then later.
Oh yeah the truth IS too terrifing
So rather we try to negate away those feelings- but that dosn't make it go away
And yes, what we should fear is fear is but that dosn't mean not to understand the dangers our fear warns us of, it means to be carefull of what it is telling
Before the situation becaomes one were people will be injured.
ITS NOT IMMIGRATION ANY LONGER BUT BESIEGE WOULD BE THE MORE PROPER TERM.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN I MOVE: DEAR MOHAMMEDANs WE INVITE YOU TO RETURn TO THE COUNTRYies OF YOUR ANCESTERS.
Yes, let's keep extracting the human resources of poor countries who can least afford to lose their best and brightest so we can make ourselves richer. Sound familiar?