Electric kettles outperform all of the hardware in this video. They can boil water faster while consuming less electricity than any other method. One liter boils in a little more than 4 minutes. Ideal for making coffee or tea quickly. And they are also the cheapest option. Only about $20. When combined with a $100 induction cooktop, you have everything needed to prepare a full-electric meal. You can cook two meals a day for two people with less than 800wh. Throw in a 12v rice cooker and you can do all your cooking with a powerstation and a 200w solar panel, and no propane.
I have a camper van that I converted. As a lifelong tent camper, from as soon as I could walk to now 70 years old, I dont see it as a binary choice between gas and electric. With a rig (van) I can now comfortably camp in all four seasons. Cooking outdoors with my portable stove is great during nice weather. When it is cold, windy or rainy I use electric cooking inside. If you are only going to spend a week or so camping each year, then the investment may not make sense, but it does for me, and I don't want propane tanks inside my van.
One thing I haven't seen mention anywhere as an advantage to electric cooking is lack of hydrocarbon fumes. There have been studies that showed indoor air pollution is worse with gas stoves, kids more likely to develop asthma etc. I would have to think that in a small space like a van or RV it would be even worse, unless you had really good ventilation. Having asthma myself, I would like to go electric, but as one commenter said, it's expensive to have enough onboard power.
@@yolo_burrito I have a camper van that I converted. As a lifelong tent camper, from as soon as I could walk to now 70 years old, I dont see it as a binary choice between gas and electric. With a rig (van) I can now comfortably camp in all four seasons. Cooking outdoors with my portable stove is great during nice weather. When it is cold, windy or rainy I use electric cooking inside. If you are only going to spend a week or so camping each year, then the investment may not make sense, but it does for me, and I don't want propane tanks inside my van.
the 245 watt solar panel fit perfect inside the roof rack... 2 K inverter runs fridge/induction plate / electric blankets/ coms /charges 200 amp lithium and starter batt.. and back charges when driving .. do not miss propane or over priced jetboils. induction is fast 7 minute steak! DC lights and fans, 100 watt bluetooth stereo. w/ subwoofer.. Boom..
Fun video. I own an Imperial Outdoors X 195 off road travel trailer. It comes with a two burner 1800 watt induction cook top. We love it. One thing most people forget is how well will a burner simmer food? We normally bring frozen left overs on our trips. The day before the food goes in the refrigerator to thaw. We then reheat the dinner on a low setting on the induction cook top. It works great to simmer but also to heat fast. It also helps that we have 1080 amp lithium batteries and 1200 watts solar. Life is good.
(Amp Hour - 1080 Ah is 5 fairly hefty batteries or 3 gigantic ones - like 100kg of batteries (220Lb) - with 4x 300W Solar panels life on the road indeed is good....)
For now, I use Redodo's 40A 12v dual solar & alternator input fed mppt charge controller with 200 to 800watt solar..depending on my location...feeding my 600AH LiPo4 batt. bank. Am getting a second 40A dual input unit to share the charging burden...as these type batteries try to suck in juice FAST so present very low input resistance in parallel..causing controller over heat.
Nespresso. Ditto. First thing packed in suitcase 4 flight on vacations-nobody wants to be the one to make the trip to Starbucks for the family!! Thx! Just ordered Delta3+ knowing I will wake up in a better mood for truck camping vacation! Family thinks 👍🏼2! U make informative videos. Thank u!
I have used quite a few propane/gas stoves and haven't been disappointment with them. However I recently got a big portable power station and electric cooler that have really made camping nice, with that I have started looking into electric cooking as well. I went with the inductive for many reasons, first is price
1 L = 4.226 US cups. If I went all electric, I'd just use my Instant Pot and one hob electric cooker. But for now I'll just use my butane stove and my 12 V lunchbox food warmer. Jon in rural BC, Canada
Cool, this is like Grandpa's Jeep and gasoline camp stove, but with WAAAY more steps. That complex battery bank is the fatal flaw in the plan. They are NOT rated IP68 or made to handle bouncing around in the back of a Jeep.
If the Stoke only had a lip on the small pot, for pouring coffee water... Cool gear, thanks for the video. I make do with just a induction cooker. It's great that the Cusimax cooker goes down to 200w.
We (my wife and I) have talked about this a few and are slowly leaning into going induction. One thing a lot of people don’t mention about propane is at higher altitudes its causes problems. If you’re in a very cold climate it can freeze the tanks. With self heating batteries (we have two battleborns) we wouldn’t have those issues. But man do I love our genesis dual burner so it’s a toss up
- generally Butane is the problem at cold temps - the high altitude "gag fire" problem is the jetting - needs more air per unit per unit of gas (it may need a supercharger). Propane needs 3x higher pressure tanks to liquify than butane - heavier tanks... Real high and cold adventurers may take white spirit burners or Alcohol (backup/low tech).. Use electric by all means and take a pressure cooker to high altitudes to ensure your food is well cooked (great on gas too - a pressure cooker - steamer makes defrosting a cinch).
That jetboil system looks amazing. It looks like the pot could be used with any fire (including a classic stove and a campfire) and still benefit from the better efficiency.
Put me firmly on the gas side. I own the dual-burner Jet Boil, and I always carry three 1-pound bottles in the Jeep. I get a week's worth of cooking typically (breakfast and supper), plus heating water for washing up afterwards. Call it $5/week. If I wanted I could get a 5- or 10-pound cylinder and an adapter for the Genesis. I just bought a JetBoil flash for hot water, so that will increase the cooking time for the stove. I guess it all comes down to your trips' missions. Are you doing long-term overlanding (weeks or months of wandering), or weekend or maybe two weeks of car camping? Those proprietary pots are solution in search of a problem.
I understand where you’re coming from. But with Coleman 16oz bottled fuel at $25 a piece, that means you’ve already spent $1000 after 40 purchases. Not sure how often you camp, but it’s almost a question of would you rather have it run indefinitely and pay once, or have to pay a smaller amount repeatedly over time, with increasing prices based on availability or gouging. I’m of the “buy once, cry once” crowd. It’s been fantastic, you should give it an honest look. Never have to get fuel again, never need to scrub soot from cookwear again, never need to pack/buy ice again, etc. It’s a game changer, and you’ll never know it until you camp with someone who’s got an electric setup. Saves money and time while outdoors, I still use open flame whenever I can to cook but sometimes it isn’t in the cards or I’d rather fire something up quick and stash away quick (induction cools immediately) and get some more time behind my fishing rod.
@@DarrenMalin I have one. Also have a solo stove and a collapsible wood grill. As I said I use them when I can because it just tastes better I’ve a fire. But sometimes there isn’t any fuel available in one particular biome, unable to make fire due to fire restrictions, sometimes it downpours, and occasionally I have to rest in a more urban area on my way to the destination. Electric is a game changer.
Have you considered an electric skillet? You can fry, boil, cook stews, slow cook, etc. with them. They cost only between $20 to $50 US. They come in aluminum, stainless steel, ceramic and non stick. They almost all have temperature controls and lids. You can get them in up to 7 liters in size.
It takes approximately 60 watt-hours (Wh) to bring one liter of water to boiling temperature depending upon the starting temperature and altitude. This is fixed by physics. So the question is how much heat is getting into the water compared to how much heat is being lost to the surroundings. You explained this when you talked about using your propane cooker outside in the wind with the wind blowing the heat away. The neat thing about induction cooktops are they heat the cookware directly. The cooktop gets hot from conduction from the hot cookware which of course is lost heat. An electric skillet is more efficient than an induction cooktop because it sits on legs above the counter. It can be used on a wood counter with the counter just getting warm to the touch. Even more efficient would be a crock pot because it is insulated. The outside of a crock pot would just be warm to the touch even after hours of cooking. You can find crock pots that are just 120 watts. The problem with a 120 watt crock pot is it will take an hour or more to get the food up to 180 degrees F to kill the bacteria. Even if you brought the temperature to 180 to kill the bacteria, you would still have the toxins from the dead bacteria. I know of people who have filled a crock pot with vegetables and meet; put the thing on low and let it cook all day to have a wonderful tasting stew ladened with bacteria. Better to buy a 600-800 watt crock pot; heat it at high to 180 in 15 minutes then back it off to low. An 800 watt, 2 liter crock pot can be had for as cheap as $13. Of course an electric skillet is more flexible. It can be used for frying, sautéing as well as slow cooking.
@littleairplanedriverandfix-i8i THANK YOU!!! I’ve been looking at Hot Pots, rice cookers, electric “lunch warmers”, tea kettles, etc etc, and that’s AFTER I got tired of looking into propane vs butane… 🙄 🤣 I’ve been a stay-at-home mom/wife for sooo long, and cooking that entire time… I don’t know why I didn’t think about MY ELECTRIC SKILLET!!!🤣😂🤣 That would definitely simplify things for me.❤ Edit: I cook IN my “mini-van” that I use to “camp” in. An electric skillet will have me waaayyy less worried about potentially having a fire burning up my van & stuff (& possibly … me!) ❤
Great review of the products. Electric cooking is definitely a game changer. I am happy with the Dezin electric pot and the Bodum Melior Gooseneck Water Kettle. The pots outside does not get hot. I use a MyJoe to get my coffee or a ceramic pour over. I use these items at home as well. I still have my propane stove but in windy or rainy weather with the electric and my power station I can actually cook inside safety. At home the power station and electric pot and kettle are part of my Ready kit. You can often find induction cook tops at estate sales and thrift stores, I have one but don't take it camping very often because it is not that compact. I am usually cooking over fire or on a propane stove away from my vehicle when I am out on the road unless I am dealing with firebrands strongwinds or heavy rain. Thank you for reviewing these items, but I think I will stick to what I already have.
I've been using a Dezin Electric Kettle, also from Amazon, for boiling water. It takes about four minutes to get around 800ml of water boiling which I consider reasonable. It's supposed to pull around 800W, which seems about right for what I recall. The 800ml is good for two large mugs of coffee, I use paper filter bags for this. It makes it so much nicer than using a Jetboil or so. It's slower, for sure, but so much cleaner, easier, and overall more pleasant. And the induction cooking beats propane or any other fuel as soon as there is even the slightest wind. I love my electric setup (2x 100Ah batteries, Redarc RedVision system, Redarc 2000W inverter) in the Gladiator. One thing I really want to try is using an induction ready mocha pot ... :-)
I have been using the Stokes systems since they came out and they have been very durable and are efficient way to use electricity. It is good for 1 or 2 people. I also carry a inductive cooktop but seldom use it because the Stokes is so easy to use and clean compared
Electric cooking gear only makes sense if you have either a second battery set up, or a portable power station in your car. If you have the power you can take electric cookers, but also, a portable fridge/freezer. In my option, its the fridge/freezer that is a real game changer. Electric cookers are nice to have so you don't have to buy gas, but only if you already have the battery.
A good CAN opener & plate/bowl/mug/utensil/cutting board setup w good canned chili& onions..seasoned refried beans..w torteja wraps. Good "scshlepping" out maaaan!
Very nice reviews. I don't think all portable induction tops are the same, though. My experience with the Stoke Voltiacs and the induction top has been that the induction top was almost twice as fast as the Stoke at boiling water. The pot I used on the induction top is a Stanley Even-Heat Camp Pro, and the induction top is a Duxtop 1800W Portable Induction Cooktop (amazon). The other thing I like about the induction top is in a pinch I can use the cookware on a gas stove or even over a camp fire. When I get home, I can throw the cookware in the dishwasher or submerge it entirely in water while scrubbing.
The reason for the plastic section on the bottom of each pot is the heating element is built in to the pot . The removable stand has just the electrical contacts and cord. One thing I don't like about the design is if you spill water into the base it can short out. I have an electric kettle with a similar base design.
Jet Boil Genesis owner here. I take a 5lb tank carried in a bag from Adventure Trail gear (Canadian made!) that mounts to the spare tire on the tailgate. With a hose that adapts to fit products that run off the green bottles, I can run the hose over to my tailgate table no problem. With the tailgate closed it reaches my Tailgater Tire table if I need more room to cook. Equivalent of carrying five little green bottles with the advantage of being refillable anywhere you can get propane- and no waste! After one refill it starts to pay for itself. Thinking about upgrading to a 11 pound tank next year for longer trips. Electrifying the camp kitchen sounds interesting but the Jetboil packs everything into a nice small package. And it WORKS!
What you test showed me was that the "pan" can make a lot of difference. The two mains devices put 1kw and 1.8kw of energy into each pan respectively yet took the same time to boil 1 litre - why - because a lot of the heat is lost from the pan and one pan had an insulated side construction. You can cover the top but ideally I would look for a pan to use with a generic induction hob that has some level of side and ideally cover insulation which is what I suspect the proprietary 1kw device had.
I got a couple stainless steel pots from Amazon the lids fit tightly they also have a layered bottom so they work everywhere on everything plus with the heavier bottom they stay hot for about half an hour I like them so much I use them for eating out of you can cook or warm stuff in them and just keep the lid on and your meals will stay warm and keep bugs and other stuff out of your meal. The smaller one I have will hold about 2 cans of soup the larger one will hold about 3 cans and the smaller one fits nicely inside of the other. I hang them with a carabiner on the handle with the lid hanging on the handle and like I said I can put the two together with the lids on he handle and even nesting them together so it just the size of the larger pot plus about an extra 1/2 inch taller
Induction best and sometimes a tiny butane stove for boiling water and heating food. Induction is safest. No jet boil for me, cumbersome. Delta 3+ a winner and what i truck camp with.
You are supposed to plunge the filter in the French press as per the name. I do like the idea of the Joule not for camping but at work (construction). Interesting look at alternatives to gas. I purchased a very slim but quite expensive induction hob and I transport that in a laptop bag but to be honest I mainly use it at home as we are tent campers I haven’t really found the need for it aa I’m always cooking under the canopy with gas. Favourite water boiling set up currently is the Fire Maple Mars (jetboil style) My twin gas burner folding gas stove is made by Naturehike and very leased with set as well. Induction hob of course needs a power bank if no access to an EHU so that means cooking that way needs some major investment. My go to
I like the idea of removing the risk of a gas leak but I also like the flexibility of moving my gas stove away from my van ie to a camp table or park shelter to cook dinner. It would be harder to do that with the electrical option (with multiple batteries). Based on that I would still go with the gas stove, despite it not working well in windy conditions but might look at a cheap inductive hot plate for use inside the van as an addition.
Extension cord so you dont have to move batteries. For me electricity has come a long way in the past few years. Amazing! And now I have the Ford Lightning and Pro Power which I will be incorporating into the camping mix. Im considering a cap for the truck and sleeping in the back with minimal build. The Lightning adds a level of versatility electrically. I dont tow so range isnt a big deal ....depending on where I go of course. A bit limited but infrastructure is improving. Gas stoves and such are a bit more dangerous in my opinion. Pretty much done with gas except in my backyard. My gas grill does steak better than my cast iron grill pan😁
I really enjoyed your video - another consideration is the washing up - does drying time following immersion in water vary between the options - my guess will be yes, with the simple pan (the one you use with induction cooktop) being the easiest to wash up (when you’ve cooked food rather than just boiling water)
Cost-wise, unless you're living on the road full-time, electric doesn't make a lot of sense in my opinion. $2000+ (USD) for the Ecoflow Delta 3 or equivalent (give or take a couple of hundred), or else a full 100 or 200WH LiFePO4 dual battery kit, including DC-DC charger, 2kw sine wave inverter, wiring, etc, which will run you at least $2000+. Or a $150 Coleman stove (with wind guards) or the Jet Boil Genesis (stove-only, $299), plus your own pots and you're all set. A couple of 1-pound gas cannisters ($5 each) take up almost no space, and ditto for the Jet Boil Flash water boiler for an extra $150 (USD). As for coffee, a Melita filter makes an excellent cuppa joe.
A Bluetti ac180 is only $549 and will power both the Stokes kettle and the stokes stove at the same time and easily cook a whole meal with the AC180. A pecron DC charger is only $134 and will recharge the AC180 in 2 hours of driving time or you can use solar.
That thing is pretty much safe when it comes to spilling water 💦 I had a water boiling device with the same plug and it always spills when I put to much but never even once had an electric issue
Have you tried any electric heaters that would work with your setup? I mean, full-electric cooking and heating would basically remove the need for any additional fuel hauling, hassle… 🤘🏼😅
Glue on flex-solar pnls to that tent or sew on like big flaps you could use as tent window awnings you stake up using hollow fiberglass fishing pole tubing sewn into the edges! Charge dem BATTS!!
To me, the options would be electric or wood stoves. Propane is a good choice, but what if you run out and can't get more? I'm thinking of beyond just camping. It's about survival to me. I would want something that I could use in both situations that I'm already familiar with. Propane is the quickest, but for extended periods, it may not be ideal. Electric is the most expensive and heaviest, but the right settup can last years. Wood cost in between both propane and electric and will last as long as you have something to burn in it.
Casey great discussion. Also glad we have choices!!! Thanks for sharing the new product innovation as well. With all of the fuel storage on our swing out tail gate and the cooking space on a tailgate table we made the shift to electric. Add a toaster for muffins, bagels, raisin toast… a hotpot for boiling water fast for morning meals its simply a no brainer. But adding a Traeger Ranger Portable Pellet Stove that had a griddle we are talking next level. We have the induction cooktop an the Magna Nested Ceramic Cookset and its at a whole new level. Wind and cooler temps no longer impeade our cooktimes. Yep still have Jetboil and a Camp Chef Mountaineer as a pivot but propane is saved for hot water and firepit mostly!!! 12v trucker heated mattress pads are another plus and better than a heated blanket when comparing effectiveness in a sleeping space!! I love and use electric when and where it makes sense. Having a well designed and engineered lithium system that's charged by a 250amp HO alternator and/or solar was the key for us. And note there are more economical space saving ways to charge lithium batteries than fitting a DC-DC charger ask AM Solar!! Agaveman
Subscribed. Good video. Only thing I wish you had tested actual power use, Watt-hrs, to boil 1 L for each system. When using electric, this is the critical info, NOT speed really. How much of your battery is used is more important than 1 minute here or there. The induction is about 75% efficient in putting energy into water, electric kettles are 100%. The stokes is just an electric kettle or hotplate with the heating element built into the pans, whichbis why you see good energy performance. However, you can buy the exact same thing at Walmart for $20 with an electric skillet, instead of that silly 2 part base unit. Thx ;)
Its a pretty simple calculation of time x watts. 1800w for 30 mins is going to use 900wh of battery capacity. 1000w for 10 minutes is going to use 165wh of battery capacity. The draw on the powerstation is pretty close to the digital display of watts on the inductive cooktop. Hope that helps. Welcome to the channel. Maybe ill make a short explaining it.
@Casey250 thx. It turns out that the actual measured power used can be significantly different than calculated, due to wind, heat loss, inefficiency, and bogus marketing or displays. Your videos could be pumped up in data and validity with a simple $12 Kill a Watt meter. Hope you consider it for the future, you're already doing a great job just sourcing the correct stuff to compare and doing it. Your vid here is the best I've seen in hands on comparison! That Wh info would be the final cherry on top ;)
An induction cooker just uses a copper coil and it reverses the current flow very fast causing heat in metal that is capable of a magnet sticking to it ferrous metal just means iron which is very subject to magnetic pull but the the fast fluctuation back and forth is the same as friction and iheats up the metal that that's within that magnetic field generated by the coil it actually works faster than a resistive element type stove top if a magnet will stick to your pot it will heat up on an induction cooktop and induction cooktop takes less energy to operate
Nice test! pleas mention the kind of pot liner ( teflon /Pfas or ceramic) Would be nice if they make the electric ones on 12/24V = no inverter ; did you try the Joule on 12V?
Love the way you produce your vids! Been subscribed for a spell, but first time I’ve commented. I’m in the middle of electrify my 20 Gladdy(with full body Linex). When the time comes, I’ll def use your codes to get you fed. Thanks Again, kev!
From what you said yourself, your problem with the jetboil and wind resistance is just that you aren't using the included wind guard. Speaking from experience it does indeed block the wind even when it's mega windy out, and is rather tough (mine's been knocking around for close to 3 years and doesn't have really any signs of wear). So I really wouldn't say this is a realistic downside -- it comes with the solution built in. Something else I was going to mention, in comparing the downsides you mention that with a fuel system you have to 1: bring the fuel canister and 2: bring extra in case the first one runs out. This is basically the same for electric -- you need to bring a battery, and it has the same problem where you could potentially consume it all and be unable to cook. So you end up bringing two batteries, or a really big one, or solar setup, or alternator charge setup, or in all likelihood all of that stuff because that's what people who go camping do :P Great video and I especially appreciate the head to head boil time comparisons. I was curious about electrifying cooking and this definitely sells me on sticking to fuel. When using the wind guard and bringing a pair of fuel bottles it has virtually no downsides that I can think I've ever meaningfully encountered, and as you demonstrate is by far the most effective heat transfer. Plus the ability to throw a random griddle over my stove is great.
I bought a two burner Woods brand propane stove from Canadian Tire 3 years ago, and I've never thought about my cooking setup ever again. This is wild to me.
meh. electric cooking has it's use case, but it's not for those of us who get out in the wild (Tiaga, Swisha, CDT) where you can't re-provision/recharge for up 30 days or so at a time. In those situations, propane management is infinitely easier than portable power management. You can see it right in the video where he's talking about having to do calculations with the powersource. I'm sorry. There's enough to worry about on a real overlanding trip who needs it. An 8lb Fireking propane tank has a small footprint and will cook 2-3 meals a day for a couple months Even if you started the rig for the 45 mi or whatever you're cooking across the span of a day, so you're not drawing power from your portable source, then you're getting into fuel management issues. field repair and maintenance is also an issue. a jetboil style stove is a very simple mechanism. couple valves and hoses. spares fit right in the bag. electric stuff is way harder to troubleshoot and repair on the trail. So yeah, if you're more of a "car camper" type like this dude (which i recognize is in fact the vast majority of ppl on youtube), electric def makes sense. If your style is more old school self sufficient / truly remote overlanding, then I think stick to propane.
? CAR camping? You mean at least a mini-station wgn(like my S-10 4dr wgn ..,van, bus, or MH. ROOF area! for the precious solar panels! The S-10's roof I CAan cram almost 350 watts worth between the stock roofrails..maybe 500? if I space rails out a bit!😅
I still use my Aero Press or Pipamoka. Love to go all electric, maybe in a few yrs. I also have a jetboil gen. I use 5 lb tanks now for it, tired of the green tank waste. Going all electric for 2 nights how much power does that use? Like 1600 Wh?
If you're out camping and the weather is great, propane can't be beat. Hard to BBQ with electric. If you're living in your van in the city and working every day, electric can't be beat. The situation always dictates the right tool for every job.
I've always been confused by people who are addicted to coffee. Instead of spending 30 minutes for a coffee fix every morning, do some exercises. It definitely feels a lot better and is much better for you. Like every kind of addiction, you have to recognize it first and then want to kick it.
@@cowelk The time to drink the coffee and the time for making it. By drinking the coffee fast and not getting much exercise, there may be a recall on that original number of heartbeats.
First time viewer of your channel. Love the topic and I'm surprised of the sudden Ecoflow ad and I'm stoked. It's a green flag. Will check more of your videos.
Darn, you have quite the investment in gear shown in this video. What would happen if you didn’t have a Truck or Car to carry all this? 😮 Thank you for sharing, but this really isn’t feasible for what’s coming. Do a video showing what you would carry if walking.😊
Why bring numerous expensive appliances to avoid bringing a few gas cylinders? Keep it simple and use butane, Iso-butane, propane or a blend of these gasses. Moving on. Thanks for the video. See you beyongd the pavements end.
Affordable? You only need thousands of dollars of power stations to power your Walmart cooker!!!😂😂😂 Just get a small 5lb refillable propane tank. We keep a disposable green one for backup and have never needed it!
I bring 2 one-lb refillable propane bottles camping when I am out for 2 weeks. I have only used one. I primarily bring the extra for just in case a friend runs out. I refill the bottle from my 20lb propane tank on my patio heater. It is super cheap.
this very much feels like a solution in search of a problem. the jetboil was started last and finished first by a fair bit. also the "space" issue is a strawman. you're comparing single burner electrics vs a two burner gas and assuming the fuel/power source will always be remote for electric and right next to / taking up space on the same cook surface as the stove for gas. clearly not the case. most experienced people use a hose with adapter and the gas is remote too. in terms of field / trail repairs, gas stoves are also exceedingly simple mechanisms. hoses and valves. spares fit in the bag. field repairs are straightforward. electric? good luck. wires. solenoids. closed housings you may or may not have the ability to open. etc. by all means use electric if you want to use electric. i'm not knocking electric per se. what i am saying is weird is pretending it's this game changing improvement over gas by doing apples to strawmen comparisons (and electric still losing the speed test in the process). you can subjectively like X without claiming Y is "objectively" inferior.
If you need to get the "camping feel", sure, do what floats your boat. From a practicality perspective when traveling, electric beats the crap out of propane and wood fires.
Induction has its place but not in the backcountry, realistically the added weight isn’t worth it. A good portion of people are having to start generators to run this stuff What about the poor people? What’s wrong with a 18.00 butane stove from Costco and H mart butane ? And any old pot or pan second hand etc. I really wish these guys would put the rigs on a scale to see how much overweight they are. With all these expensive heavy equipment
Good thing that you're leaving 1 lb propane appliances. Being from Canada, you may be unaware that, beginning in 2026, Commifornia has outlawed the sale of 1 lb tanks that aren't refillable. Resupply will be a problem.
Resupply is already solved with home refillable systems. A refill valve for use with a 20# grill tank and refillable - completely legal - 1 pound tanks are already in Walmart. I already bought the "tree" to use a 20# directly with camp stoves. That system eliminates the 1 pound container completely and it will last for a month of camping in an RV. Not to forget valves have been sold for a long time, I bought one over a decade ago, and they are still for sale in retail stores. The trick is to freeze the empty canister, and invert the 20# tank to get it 80% full. It's already being done. The legality of transporting a refilled disposable container has been the only issue, which is now solved. Propane is still the best value for the dollar, as are gas powered inverter generators, which are what is powering Helene recovery. I have yet to see an EV power truck, either. They are all diesel, and thousands are redeploying for Milton now.
@@MarkMonteleone I'm aware of the legal, refillable tanks. They have been around a long time, but now the non-refillable tanks will not be sold in CA. If you run out of propane in a one pound tank in CA in the future, what good will walking into a Walmart and buying an empty refillable tank do you? You missed my point. Besides that, the tanks are pretty expensive compared to an empty disposable tank that is free. If I wanted a 20 lb tank to power my appliance I wouldn't have 1 lb tanks. They serve different purposes and one isn't always a replacement for the other. Propane has much less energy than gasoline or diesel, but it stores better and that is why it makes for a better emergency fuel for generators. It takes electricity to get the liquid fuels out of the station's storage tanks so when the electricity goes, so does the gasoline supply. I think that's why propane it used in this emergency. Rural areas don't usually have natural gas supply systems in place, so most folks have large propane tanks for their fuel needs.
@@mrhalfstep The refill valves have been around for at least ten years and are still sold. If someone does have an empty tank, they will likely also have the valve in the future and DIY at home - along with the 2-4 other they will keep on hand to prevent running out in the future. As for my "disposable ones," I still refill them and many others will as they hoard them back. A lot of the backpackers have already transitioned to isobutane, I bought an ultralight stove and it came with transfer fittings to refill them, too. It's commonly discussed in those communities. As for a twenty pound tank, Im reading RV campers are switching to 5 pound and they recycle the 20 thru the refiller. Again, they DIY and it's an open topic. I don't doubt there may be other influences to limit the sale of 1 pound propane tanks, but one state in the US passing a law doesn't mean it will stick. CA has a growing trend of being struck down in the courts and I suspect there will be legal action to oppose this. It aint over yet.
@@MarkMonteleone I was making one simple point and you are still missing it. That point is, if you screwed up and didn't bring an extra tank, prefilled or refilled and don't have a refill valve with you and don't have a 20 lb propane tank with you and you are camping in Commiefornia, you will be shit out of luck because your only recourse is to buy an empty refillable 1# tank and valve kit and a filled 20# tank to fill the empty 1# tank with, unless you just like spending $80-$90 for all those supplies just to finish your weekend trip. If you were prepared all the time, for every contingency, like the grand master that you seem to be, you will never be left wanting, but some folks forget or count on another member of the group or have kids that manage to undermine their best efforts, etc. Those folks might just need to run over to Walmart and get a filled 1# tank and they can't in Commiefornia. That's my one and only point.
I like many of videos, but electrifying camp gear is the worst idea you have had. Don't complicate life with having a bunch of gear that clearly is not suited for long term camping trips, Maybe for a weekend, but then why have two sets of gear. This is just a good excuse to make another video to hopefully make some money.
I've gotta respectfully disagree. Why have a whole separate fuel source just for cooking. I've also fully converted to electric cooking and I'll never go back. Induction is unaffected by wind and my batteries are recharged every day, so I never run out of fuel. It can be an awesome and resilient system if you don't buy junk.
I do like electric when traveling to campgrounds with the precious juice. I have a micro, griddle, and coffee pot. When traveling I don't have to set up my large propane CAMP chef just for 1 or 2 quick meals. I also have enough solar power in my pop up to use them and my all electric fridge if necessary.
@@Gretchen_TroubleI plan on getting an electric setup and using the 2kW Generator mode on a Tremor Super Duty. Seems like a great option, especially with a bunch of kids running around a campsite.
I mean I really like fire stuff but electric is pretty nice And you can get cheap apartment starter grade stuff at like Walmart it’s usually small and last a long time. I have some stuff from the 70s that still works
Electric kettles outperform all of the hardware in this video. They can boil water faster while consuming less electricity than any other method. One liter boils in a little more than 4 minutes. Ideal for making coffee or tea quickly. And they are also the cheapest option. Only about $20. When combined with a $100 induction cooktop, you have everything needed to prepare a full-electric meal. You can cook two meals a day for two people with less than 800wh. Throw in a 12v rice cooker and you can do all your cooking with a powerstation and a 200w solar panel, and no propane.
I have a camper van that I converted. As a lifelong tent camper, from as soon as I could walk to now 70 years old, I dont see it as a binary choice between gas and electric. With a rig (van) I can now comfortably camp in all four seasons. Cooking outdoors with my portable stove is great during nice weather. When it is cold, windy or rainy I use electric cooking inside. If you are only going to spend a week or so camping each year, then the investment may not make sense, but it does for me, and I don't want propane tanks inside my van.
Ive had my jetboil for 12 yrs now, always works. My coffee is .15 cents a cup and always fresh and hot. Jetboil is GREAT!
Cast iron camp oven and frying pan works on my induction cook top as well can cook over fire with them.
That Small Electric Jet-boil Cup sized thing is IDEAL for Solo Touring . Coffee/Tea and Single Serve sized Meals are a Breeze with that .
Buy from your local retailers and avoid big chains and especially Amazon. This you are investing in your countries future.
One thing I haven't seen mention anywhere as an advantage to electric cooking is lack of hydrocarbon fumes. There have been studies that showed indoor air pollution is worse with gas stoves, kids more likely to develop asthma etc. I would have to think that in a small space like a van or RV it would be even worse, unless you had really good ventilation. Having asthma myself, I would like to go electric, but as one commenter said, it's expensive to have enough onboard power.
You really shouldn’t be campaigning indoors.
@@yolo_burrito I have a camper van that I converted. As a lifelong tent camper, from as soon as I could walk to now 70 years old, I dont see it as a binary choice between gas and electric. With a rig (van) I can now comfortably camp in all four seasons. Cooking outdoors with my portable stove is great during nice weather. When it is cold, windy or rainy I use electric cooking inside. If you are only going to spend a week or so camping each year, then the investment may not make sense, but it does for me, and I don't want propane tanks inside my van.
I found a 500 watt induction cook top. Love it boils fast like the bigger one but can run at 100 watts for like a small coffee cup reheat coffee.
can it fry eggs and bacon ?
Link or model name please?
the 245 watt solar panel fit perfect inside the roof rack... 2 K inverter runs fridge/induction plate / electric blankets/ coms /charges 200 amp lithium and starter batt.. and back charges when driving .. do not miss propane or over priced jetboils. induction is fast 7 minute steak! DC lights and fans, 100 watt bluetooth stereo. w/ subwoofer.. Boom..
any pics of your rig?
Fun video. I own an Imperial Outdoors X 195 off road travel trailer. It comes with a two burner 1800 watt induction cook top. We love it. One thing most people forget is how well will a burner simmer food? We normally bring frozen left overs on our trips. The day before the food goes in the refrigerator to thaw. We then reheat the dinner on a low setting on the induction cook top. It works great to simmer but also to heat fast. It also helps that we have 1080 amp lithium batteries and 1200 watts solar. Life is good.
(Amp Hour - 1080 Ah is 5 fairly hefty batteries or 3 gigantic ones - like 100kg of batteries (220Lb) - with 4x 300W Solar panels life on the road indeed is good....)
And dont forget the dc-to-dc alternator to LiPo4 in-line regulator for juicing the bank on the go, or idling a bit if bank running low on rainy wknd.
For now, I use Redodo's 40A 12v dual solar & alternator input fed mppt charge controller with 200 to 800watt solar..depending on my location...feeding my 600AH LiPo4 batt. bank. Am getting a second 40A dual input unit to share the charging burden...as these type batteries try to suck in juice FAST so present very low input resistance in parallel..causing controller over heat.
Ever notice those with the strongest opinions against something really don’t know much about the subject.
Nespresso. Ditto. First thing packed in suitcase 4 flight on vacations-nobody wants to be the one to make the trip to Starbucks for the family!! Thx! Just ordered Delta3+ knowing I will wake up in a better mood for truck camping vacation! Family thinks 👍🏼2! U make informative videos. Thank u!
I have used quite a few propane/gas stoves and haven't been disappointment with them. However I recently got a big portable power station and electric cooler that have really made camping nice, with that I have started looking into electric cooking as well. I went with the inductive for many reasons, first is price
1 L = 4.226 US cups.
If I went all electric, I'd just use my Instant Pot and one hob electric cooker. But for now I'll just use my butane stove and my 12 V lunchbox food warmer.
Jon in rural BC, Canada
Cool, this is like Grandpa's Jeep and gasoline camp stove, but with WAAAY more steps.
That complex battery bank is the fatal flaw in the plan. They are NOT rated IP68 or made to handle bouncing around in the back of a Jeep.
If the Stoke only had a lip on the small pot, for pouring coffee water... Cool gear, thanks for the video. I make do with just a induction cooker. It's great that the Cusimax cooker goes down to 200w.
We (my wife and I) have talked about this a few and are slowly leaning into going induction. One thing a lot of people don’t mention about propane is at higher altitudes its causes problems. If you’re in a very cold climate it can freeze the tanks. With self heating batteries (we have two battleborns) we wouldn’t have those issues. But man do I love our genesis dual burner so it’s a toss up
- generally Butane is the problem at cold temps - the high altitude "gag fire" problem is the jetting - needs more air per unit per unit of gas (it may need a supercharger). Propane needs 3x higher pressure tanks to liquify than butane - heavier tanks... Real high and cold adventurers may take white spirit burners or Alcohol (backup/low tech).. Use electric by all means and take a pressure cooker to high altitudes to ensure your food is well cooked (great on gas too - a pressure cooker - steamer makes defrosting a cinch).
That jetboil system looks amazing. It looks like the pot could be used with any fire (including a classic stove and a campfire) and still benefit from the better efficiency.
Put me firmly on the gas side. I own the dual-burner Jet Boil, and I always carry three 1-pound bottles in the Jeep. I get a week's worth of cooking typically (breakfast and supper), plus heating water for washing up afterwards. Call it $5/week. If I wanted I could get a 5- or 10-pound cylinder and an adapter for the Genesis. I just bought a JetBoil flash for hot water, so that will increase the cooking time for the stove. I guess it all comes down to your trips' missions. Are you doing long-term overlanding (weeks or months of wandering), or weekend or maybe two weeks of car camping? Those proprietary pots are solution in search of a problem.
I’ll stick with my Coleman stove and propane tank. Not spending a grand on battery bank and solar panel. It’s camping…keep it simple
I understand where you’re coming from. But with Coleman 16oz bottled fuel at $25 a piece, that means you’ve already spent $1000 after 40 purchases. Not sure how often you camp, but it’s almost a question of would you rather have it run indefinitely and pay once, or have to pay a smaller amount repeatedly over time, with increasing prices based on availability or gouging. I’m of the “buy once, cry once” crowd. It’s been fantastic, you should give it an honest look.
Never have to get fuel again, never need to scrub soot from cookwear again, never need to pack/buy ice again, etc. It’s a game changer, and you’ll never know it until you camp with someone who’s got an electric setup. Saves money and time while outdoors, I still use open flame whenever I can to cook but sometimes it isn’t in the cards or I’d rather fire something up quick and stash away quick (induction cools immediately) and get some more time behind my fishing rod.
Ok grandad
@@nicholassorensen9035 use a wood stove,
Fuel is free
@@DarrenMalin I have one. Also have a solo stove and a collapsible wood grill. As I said I use them when I can because it just tastes better I’ve a fire. But sometimes there isn’t any fuel available in one particular biome, unable to make fire due to fire restrictions, sometimes it downpours, and occasionally I have to rest in a more urban area on my way to the destination. Electric is a game changer.
I'm with you. A 1b can of propane lasts and lasts, is light and small enough to carry a spare, and cheap as chips. (Especially if you refill them)
Have you considered an electric skillet? You can fry, boil, cook stews, slow cook, etc. with them. They cost only between $20 to $50 US. They come in aluminum, stainless steel, ceramic and non stick. They almost all have temperature controls and lids. You can get them in up to 7 liters in size.
No I hadn't. Im not sure I knew they existed. I should check them out.
It takes approximately 60 watt-hours (Wh) to bring one liter of water to boiling temperature depending upon the starting temperature and altitude. This is fixed by physics. So the question is how much heat is getting into the water compared to how much heat is being lost to the surroundings. You explained this when you talked about using your propane cooker outside in the wind with the wind blowing the heat away. The neat thing about induction cooktops are they heat the cookware directly. The cooktop gets hot from conduction from the hot cookware which of course is lost heat. An electric skillet is more efficient than an induction cooktop because it sits on legs above the counter. It can be used on a wood counter with the counter just getting warm to the touch. Even more efficient would be a crock pot because it is insulated. The outside of a crock pot would just be warm to the touch even after hours of cooking. You can find crock pots that are just 120 watts. The problem with a 120 watt crock pot is it will take an hour or more to get the food up to 180 degrees F to kill the bacteria. Even if you brought the temperature to 180 to kill the bacteria, you would still have the toxins from the dead bacteria. I know of people who have filled a crock pot with vegetables and meet; put the thing on low and let it cook all day to have a wonderful tasting stew ladened with bacteria. Better to buy a 600-800 watt crock pot; heat it at high to 180 in 15 minutes then back it off to low. An 800 watt, 2 liter crock pot can be had for as cheap as $13. Of course an electric skillet is more flexible. It can be used for frying, sautéing as well as slow cooking.
@littleairplanedriverandfix-i8i THANK YOU!!! I’ve been looking at Hot Pots, rice cookers, electric “lunch warmers”, tea kettles, etc etc, and that’s AFTER I got tired of looking into propane vs butane… 🙄 🤣
I’ve been a stay-at-home mom/wife for sooo long, and cooking that entire time… I don’t know why I didn’t think about MY ELECTRIC SKILLET!!!🤣😂🤣 That would definitely simplify things for me.❤
Edit: I cook IN my “mini-van” that I use to “camp” in. An electric skillet will have me waaayyy less worried about potentially having a fire burning up my van & stuff (& possibly … me!) ❤
@@Casey250 induction hotplate is a good method. timer. heat. and temp readouts. unit stay cool. use magnetic pans
Great review of the products. Electric cooking is definitely a game changer. I am happy with the Dezin electric pot and the Bodum Melior Gooseneck Water Kettle. The pots outside does not get hot. I use a MyJoe to get my coffee or a ceramic pour over. I use these items at home as well. I still have my propane stove but in windy or rainy weather with the electric and my power station I can actually cook inside safety. At home the power station and electric pot and kettle are part of my Ready kit. You can often find induction cook tops at estate sales and thrift stores, I have one but don't take it camping very often because it is not that compact. I am usually cooking over fire or on a propane stove away from my vehicle when I am out on the road unless I am dealing with firebrands strongwinds or heavy rain. Thank you for reviewing these items, but I think I will stick to what I already have.
I've been using a Dezin Electric Kettle, also from Amazon, for boiling water. It takes about four minutes to get around 800ml of water boiling which I consider reasonable. It's supposed to pull around 800W, which seems about right for what I recall. The 800ml is good for two large mugs of coffee, I use paper filter bags for this. It makes it so much nicer than using a Jetboil or so. It's slower, for sure, but so much cleaner, easier, and overall more pleasant. And the induction cooking beats propane or any other fuel as soon as there is even the slightest wind. I love my electric setup (2x 100Ah batteries, Redarc RedVision system, Redarc 2000W inverter) in the Gladiator.
One thing I really want to try is using an induction ready mocha pot ... :-)
Inductive cooking on the go is hard to beat. It’s fast, reliable and super portable.
plus juice for. my decent stereo. Eblankets. fridge . bike chargers and rig starter backup..
I have been using the Stokes systems since they came out and they have been very durable and are efficient way to use electricity. It is good for 1 or 2 people. I also carry a inductive cooktop but seldom use it because the Stokes is so easy to use and clean compared
I buy coffee in prefilter packs and use the Stokes Kettle to make coffee and very little cleanup and good coffee in about 5 minutes.
Electric cooking gear only makes sense if you have either a second battery set up, or a portable power station in your car. If you have the power you can take electric cookers, but also, a portable fridge/freezer. In my option, its the fridge/freezer that is a real game changer. Electric cookers are nice to have so you don't have to buy gas, but only if you already have the battery.
If you gotta do all that or even use an RV - that's Not camping, that's an oxymoron. Those people Pretend Camp, just 10 year olds.
@@DivergentDroid It's not about "real camping" whatever that is. If you are set correctly, you can spend multiple weeks living in remote areas.
A good CAN opener & plate/bowl/mug/utensil/cutting board setup w good canned chili& onions..seasoned refried beans..w torteja wraps. Good "scshlepping" out maaaan!
Very nice reviews. I don't think all portable induction tops are the same, though. My experience with the Stoke Voltiacs and the induction top has been that the induction top was almost twice as fast as the Stoke at boiling water. The pot I used on the induction top is a Stanley Even-Heat Camp Pro, and the induction top is a Duxtop 1800W Portable Induction Cooktop (amazon). The other thing I like about the induction top is in a pinch I can use the cookware on a gas stove or even over a camp fire. When I get home, I can throw the cookware in the dishwasher or submerge it entirely in water while scrubbing.
The reason for the plastic section on the bottom of each pot is the heating element is built in to the pot . The removable stand has just the electrical contacts and cord. One thing I don't like about the design is if you spill water into the base it can short out. I have an electric kettle with a similar base design.
I carry my induction stove in a padded laptop case perfect for protecting in transit👍🏻
That's a solid idea
Pressure cooker with 1-2 extra stainless pots will be cheaper , faster, less power and better tasting
If your going induction then use cast iron, you can use it on a campfire if you have no electricity. 😊
Jet Boil Genesis owner here.
I take a 5lb tank carried in a bag from Adventure Trail gear (Canadian made!) that mounts to the spare tire on the tailgate. With a hose that adapts to fit products that run off the green bottles, I can run the hose over to my tailgate table no problem. With the tailgate closed it reaches my Tailgater Tire table if I need more room to cook.
Equivalent of carrying five little green bottles with the advantage of being refillable anywhere you can get propane- and no waste! After one refill it starts to pay for itself. Thinking about upgrading to a 11 pound tank next year for longer trips.
Electrifying the camp kitchen sounds interesting but the Jetboil packs everything into a nice small package. And it WORKS!
What you test showed me was that the "pan" can make a lot of difference. The two mains devices put 1kw and 1.8kw of energy into each pan respectively yet took the same time to boil 1 litre - why - because a lot of the heat is lost from the pan and one pan had an insulated side construction. You can cover the top but ideally I would look for a pan to use with a generic induction hob that has some level of side and ideally cover insulation which is what I suspect the proprietary 1kw device had.
Thank you, this is super useful. Do you have any idea why the Stoke induction stove seems to be so much more efficient than the cooktop?
I got a couple stainless steel pots from Amazon the lids fit tightly they also have a layered bottom so they work everywhere on everything plus with the heavier bottom they stay hot for about half an hour I like them so much I use them for eating out of you can cook or warm stuff in them and just keep the lid on and your meals will stay warm and keep bugs and other stuff out of your meal. The smaller one I have will hold about 2 cans of soup the larger one will hold about 3 cans and the smaller one fits nicely inside of the other. I hang them with a carabiner on the handle with the lid hanging on the handle and like I said I can put the two together with the lids on he handle and even nesting them together so it just the size of the larger pot plus about an extra 1/2 inch taller
Induction best and sometimes a tiny butane stove for boiling water and heating food. Induction is safest. No jet boil for me, cumbersome. Delta 3+ a winner and what i truck camp with.
I have a 12V induction cooktop. No inverter needed, no proprietary complex pots or pans, safe indoor cooking, and high portability.
You are supposed to plunge the filter in the French press as per the name.
I do like the idea of the Joule not for camping but at work (construction).
Interesting look at alternatives to gas. I purchased a very slim but quite expensive induction hob and I transport that in a laptop bag but to be honest I mainly use it at home as we are tent campers I haven’t really found the need for it aa I’m always cooking under the canopy with gas.
Favourite water boiling set up currently is the Fire Maple Mars (jetboil style)
My twin gas burner folding gas stove is made by Naturehike and very leased with set as well.
Induction hob of course needs a power bank if no access to an EHU so that means cooking that way needs some major investment.
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I like the idea of removing the risk of a gas leak but I also like the flexibility of moving my gas stove away from my van ie to a camp table or park shelter to cook dinner. It would be harder to do that with the electrical option (with multiple batteries). Based on that I would still go with the gas stove, despite it not working well in windy conditions but might look at a cheap inductive hot plate for use inside the van as an addition.
Extension cord so you dont have to move batteries. For me electricity has come a long way in the past few years. Amazing! And now I have the Ford Lightning and Pro Power which I will be incorporating into the camping mix. Im considering a cap for the truck and sleeping in the back with minimal build. The Lightning adds a level of versatility electrically. I dont tow so range isnt a big deal ....depending on where I go of course. A bit limited but infrastructure is improving. Gas stoves and such are a bit more dangerous in my opinion. Pretty much done with gas except in my backyard. My gas grill does steak better than my cast iron grill pan😁
I really enjoyed your video - another consideration is the washing up - does drying time following immersion in water vary between the options - my guess will be yes, with the simple pan (the one you use with induction cooktop) being the easiest to wash up (when you’ve cooked food rather than just boiling water)
Cost-wise, unless you're living on the road full-time, electric doesn't make a lot of sense in my opinion. $2000+ (USD) for the Ecoflow Delta 3 or equivalent (give or take a couple of hundred), or else a full 100 or 200WH LiFePO4 dual battery kit, including DC-DC charger, 2kw sine wave inverter, wiring, etc, which will run you at least $2000+. Or a $150 Coleman stove (with wind guards) or the Jet Boil Genesis (stove-only, $299), plus your own pots and you're all set. A couple of 1-pound gas cannisters ($5 each) take up almost no space, and ditto for the Jet Boil Flash water boiler for an extra $150 (USD). As for coffee, a Melita filter makes an excellent cuppa joe.
A Bluetti ac180 is only $549 and will power both the Stokes kettle and the stokes stove at the same time and easily cook a whole meal with the AC180. A pecron DC charger is only $134 and will recharge the AC180 in 2 hours of driving time or you can use solar.
Delta 3 is only $649, Delta 2 is $549. The max is still a bit pricey.
That thing is pretty much safe when it comes to spilling water 💦 I had a water boiling device with the same plug and it always spills when I put to much but never even once had an electric issue
Ive been using the absolute snot out of my stoke Voltaics setup and i have had zero issues with dropping it, boiling over etc, never going back haha
Have you tried any electric heaters that would work with your setup? I mean, full-electric cooking and heating would basically remove the need for any additional fuel hauling, hassle… 🤘🏼😅
He does use a small electric heater in his tent.
@@newlifeoverland226 Oh, for real? That’s awesome! Do you know what one/kind? Like, is it ceramic, oil radiator, or IR?
@@joemamamia1751check his other posts
Glue on flex-solar pnls to that tent or sew on like big flaps you could use as tent window awnings you stake up using hollow fiberglass fishing pole tubing sewn into the edges! Charge dem BATTS!!
excellent review of the options. Makes me even happier with my induction cook top.
To me, the options would be electric or wood stoves. Propane is a good choice, but what if you run out and can't get more? I'm thinking of beyond just camping. It's about survival to me. I would want something that I could use in both situations that I'm already familiar with. Propane is the quickest, but for extended periods, it may not be ideal. Electric is the most expensive and heaviest, but the right settup can last years. Wood cost in between both propane and electric and will last as long as you have something to burn in it.
all most all campers r plumped for a lp stove they have a min of a 20# gas grill tank on the camper someplace
Propane and propane accessories .
Casey great discussion. Also glad we have choices!!! Thanks for sharing the new product innovation as well.
With all of the fuel storage on our swing out tail gate and the cooking space on a tailgate table we made the shift to electric. Add a toaster for muffins, bagels, raisin toast… a hotpot for boiling water fast for morning meals its simply a no brainer. But adding a Traeger Ranger Portable Pellet Stove that had a griddle we are talking next level. We have the induction cooktop an the Magna Nested Ceramic Cookset and its at a whole new level. Wind and cooler temps no longer impeade our cooktimes. Yep still have Jetboil and a Camp Chef Mountaineer as a pivot but propane is saved for hot water and firepit mostly!!!
12v trucker heated mattress pads are another plus and better than a heated blanket when comparing effectiveness in a sleeping space!!
I love and use electric when and where it makes sense.
Having a well designed and engineered lithium system that's charged by a 250amp HO alternator and/or solar was the key for us. And note there are more economical space saving ways to charge lithium batteries than fitting a DC-DC charger ask AM Solar!!
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Subscribed. Good video. Only thing I wish you had tested actual power use, Watt-hrs, to boil 1 L for each system. When using electric, this is the critical info, NOT speed really. How much of your battery is used is more important than 1 minute here or there.
The induction is about 75% efficient in putting energy into water, electric kettles are 100%. The stokes is just an electric kettle or hotplate with the heating element built into the pans, whichbis why you see good energy performance. However, you can buy the exact same thing at Walmart for $20 with an electric skillet, instead of that silly 2 part base unit. Thx ;)
Its a pretty simple calculation of time x watts. 1800w for 30 mins is going to use 900wh of battery capacity. 1000w for 10 minutes is going to use 165wh of battery capacity. The draw on the powerstation is pretty close to the digital display of watts on the inductive cooktop. Hope that helps. Welcome to the channel. Maybe ill make a short explaining it.
@Casey250 thx. It turns out that the actual measured power used can be significantly different than calculated, due to wind, heat loss, inefficiency, and bogus marketing or displays. Your videos could be pumped up in data and validity with a simple $12 Kill a Watt meter. Hope you consider it for the future, you're already doing a great job just sourcing the correct stuff to compare and doing it. Your vid here is the best I've seen in hands on comparison! That Wh info would be the final cherry on top ;)
Jetboil flash and the always reliable Coleman round single burner for pots and pans
170 bucks and I always take my wife’s best cookware 👀
The Coleman white gas stoves were long lasting and could use gasoline which you have for your vehicle.
What brand is that stainless pot with the mint green handles? Link please?
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An induction cooker just uses a copper coil and it reverses the current flow very fast causing heat in metal that is capable of a magnet sticking to it ferrous metal just means iron which is very subject to magnetic pull but the the fast fluctuation back and forth is the same as friction and iheats up the metal that that's within that magnetic field generated by the coil it actually works faster than a resistive element type stove top if a magnet will stick to your pot it will heat up on an induction cooktop and induction cooktop takes less energy to operate
I don't want anything proprietary you can't use the pot or the base that'out of the question for me
Nice test! pleas mention the kind of pot liner ( teflon /Pfas or ceramic) Would be nice if they make the electric ones on 12/24V = no inverter ; did you try the Joule on 12V?
Love the way you produce your vids! Been subscribed for a spell, but first time I’ve commented. I’m in the middle of electrify my 20 Gladdy(with full body Linex). When the time comes, I’ll def use your codes to get you fed. Thanks Again, kev!
This is why I got the 6qt instapot.
From what you said yourself, your problem with the jetboil and wind resistance is just that you aren't using the included wind guard. Speaking from experience it does indeed block the wind even when it's mega windy out, and is rather tough (mine's been knocking around for close to 3 years and doesn't have really any signs of wear). So I really wouldn't say this is a realistic downside -- it comes with the solution built in.
Something else I was going to mention, in comparing the downsides you mention that with a fuel system you have to 1: bring the fuel canister and 2: bring extra in case the first one runs out. This is basically the same for electric -- you need to bring a battery, and it has the same problem where you could potentially consume it all and be unable to cook. So you end up bringing two batteries, or a really big one, or solar setup, or alternator charge setup, or in all likelihood all of that stuff because that's what people who go camping do :P
Great video and I especially appreciate the head to head boil time comparisons. I was curious about electrifying cooking and this definitely sells me on sticking to fuel. When using the wind guard and bringing a pair of fuel bottles it has virtually no downsides that I can think I've ever meaningfully encountered, and as you demonstrate is by far the most effective heat transfer. Plus the ability to throw a random griddle over my stove is great.
I use another brand of inductive stove and it gets +/- 1 liter of water to boil in as low as 3 minutes (!!!)
I bought a two burner Woods brand propane stove from Canadian Tire 3 years ago, and I've never thought about my cooking setup ever again. This is wild to me.
meh. electric cooking has it's use case, but it's not for those of us who get out in the wild (Tiaga, Swisha, CDT) where you can't re-provision/recharge for up 30 days or so at a time. In those situations, propane management is infinitely easier than portable power management. You can see it right in the video where he's talking about having to do calculations with the powersource. I'm sorry. There's enough to worry about on a real overlanding trip who needs it. An 8lb Fireking propane tank has a small footprint and will cook 2-3 meals a day for a couple months Even if you started the rig for the 45 mi or whatever you're cooking across the span of a day, so you're not drawing power from your portable source, then you're getting into fuel management issues.
field repair and maintenance is also an issue. a jetboil style stove is a very simple mechanism. couple valves and hoses. spares fit right in the bag. electric stuff is way harder to troubleshoot and repair on the trail.
So yeah, if you're more of a "car camper" type like this dude (which i recognize is in fact the vast majority of ppl on youtube), electric def makes sense. If your style is more old school self sufficient / truly remote overlanding, then I think stick to propane.
@@oldgrunt5569been using a Tiaga for 66 years. No sense in changing now.
? CAR camping? You mean at least a mini-station wgn(like my S-10 4dr wgn ..,van, bus, or MH. ROOF area! for the precious solar panels! The S-10's roof I CAan cram almost 350 watts worth between the stock roofrails..maybe 500? if I space rails out a bit!😅
I still use my Aero Press or Pipamoka. Love to go all electric, maybe in a few yrs. I also have a jetboil gen. I use 5 lb tanks now for it, tired of the green tank waste. Going all electric for 2 nights how much power does that use? Like 1600 Wh?
💯👍 Great content and informative in showing the pros and cons 👋
Got EV with V2L function, is great thing to bring ❤
I`ll stick to my old Coleman gasoline stove. On the other hand, if you ditch the jetboil, let me know, I`ll take it...
The Stoke Voltaic pot/pan seems to have four fasteners on the bottom, can the 'burner' be transferred to other pots or used independently?
I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that.
Good presentation.
Would your Ecoflow Delta 3 run a 1100 watt hot plate?
If you're out camping and the weather is great, propane can't be beat. Hard to BBQ with electric. If you're living in your van in the city and working every day, electric can't be beat. The situation always dictates the right tool for every job.
I've always been confused by people who are addicted to coffee.
Instead of spending 30 minutes for a coffee fix every morning, do some exercises.
It definitely feels a lot better and is much better for you.
Like every kind of addiction, you have to recognize it first and then want to kick it.
Sorry, but it doesn't take 30 minutes to make a cup of coffee. Besides, God gave me only so many heartbeats and I don't want to waste them.
@@cowelk The time to drink the coffee and the time for making it. By drinking the coffee fast and not getting much exercise, there may be a recall on that original number of heartbeats.
Vegan marathon runner dies at 40. Smoking and drinking granny lives to 100
Or you could pick up a few sticks and branches off the ground and do this for free 😂
Joulle. Nice. Lid sucks. Switch seems flimsy. I have made coffee popcorn and rom as n noodles with it
I can rub 2 sticks together for much less than $520
First time viewer of your channel. Love the topic and I'm surprised of the sudden Ecoflow ad and I'm stoked. It's a green flag. Will check more of your videos.
Propane and propane accessories !
You can literally use the induction top to heat your vehicle. 260 bucks is way too much for a banquet burner
Darn, you have quite the investment in gear shown in this video. What would happen if you didn’t have a Truck or Car to carry all this? 😮 Thank you for sharing, but this really isn’t feasible for what’s coming. Do a video showing what you would carry if walking.😊
Why bring numerous expensive appliances to avoid bringing a few gas cylinders? Keep it simple and use butane, Iso-butane, propane or a blend of these gasses. Moving on. Thanks for the video. See you beyongd the pavements end.
Just looking at a different way to do things.
Trangia. Cheap, lightweight easy. Why get heavy and complicated.
I got a 10 piece induction pot set, 2 removable handles for $59, $75 for induction cooktop and I am set for camping.
unless i know the electric is 100% clean then might aswell use gas and avoid the pitas' :)
Affordable? You only need thousands of dollars of power stations to power your Walmart cooker!!!😂😂😂 Just get a small 5lb refillable propane tank. We keep a disposable green one for backup and have never needed it!
I bring 2 one-lb refillable propane bottles camping when I am out for 2 weeks. I have only used one. I primarily bring the extra for just in case a friend runs out. I refill the bottle from my 20lb propane tank on my patio heater. It is super cheap.
It’s a kettle with the lid cut off!
The overall footprint when carrying items,the jet boil is the winner unless you have dual battery setups and decent inverter for the electric stuff
The key is someone needs to come out with a DC air fryer.
Naw just use an 110v one on an Ecoflow!
@@Casey250 Australians have one though they have always been at the forefront of Overlanding. DC is more energy efficient.
Not the same metal mass between the two electric setups
You knowThat you need a induction pan not a normal pan to Cook faster?
it's a binary thing, either a pan is induction compatible or it doesn't work at all.
one liter of water = one liter of water. 😂
Science.
@@Casey250 Trust the science !
Sorry, the moment you brought out a $400 two burner propane stove you lost me.
this very much feels like a solution in search of a problem. the jetboil was started last and finished first by a fair bit. also the "space" issue is a strawman. you're comparing single burner electrics vs a two burner gas and assuming the fuel/power source will always be remote for electric and right next to / taking up space on the same cook surface as the stove for gas. clearly not the case. most experienced people use a hose with adapter and the gas is remote too.
in terms of field / trail repairs, gas stoves are also exceedingly simple mechanisms. hoses and valves. spares fit in the bag. field repairs are straightforward. electric? good luck. wires. solenoids. closed housings you may or may not have the ability to open. etc.
by all means use electric if you want to use electric. i'm not knocking electric per se. what i am saying is weird is pretending it's this game changing improvement over gas by doing apples to strawmen comparisons (and electric still losing the speed test in the process).
you can subjectively like X without claiming Y is "objectively" inferior.
"1 liter of water is 1 liter of water," Love this! Excellent, thorough review and comparison! Keep up the great work!
Awesome, thank you!
1litre of steam or ice would have very different properties
Just subscribed! Thx for the info. And hey. I love my coffee too. Maybe want to plunge that French press before you drink. 😂
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u cant beat gas or wood for camping
If you can heat for warmth and for cooking with gas/propane rather than electricity you'll be better off , unless you really have a big rig like a RV
If you need to get the "camping feel", sure, do what floats your boat. From a practicality perspective when traveling, electric beats the crap out of propane and wood fires.
Induction has its place but not in the backcountry, realistically the added weight isn’t worth it. A good portion of people are having to start generators to run this stuff
What about the poor people? What’s wrong with a 18.00 butane stove from Costco and H mart butane ? And any old pot or pan second hand etc.
I really wish these guys would put the rigs on a scale to see how much overweight they are. With all these expensive heavy equipment
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Sorry, too long. I tried several times to make it through but man you just talk too much.
Sorry, but you have a very, very bad induction cooks top, my portable induction cook top is much faster than yours.
😂😂😂. Glamper
Good thing that you're leaving 1 lb propane appliances. Being from Canada, you may be unaware that, beginning in 2026, Commifornia has outlawed the sale of 1 lb tanks that aren't refillable. Resupply will be a problem.
Resupply is already solved with home refillable systems. A refill valve for use with a 20# grill tank and refillable - completely legal - 1 pound tanks are already in Walmart. I already bought the "tree" to use a 20# directly with camp stoves. That system eliminates the 1 pound container completely and it will last for a month of camping in an RV.
Not to forget valves have been sold for a long time, I bought one over a decade ago, and they are still for sale in retail stores. The trick is to freeze the empty canister, and invert the 20# tank to get it 80% full. It's already being done. The legality of transporting a refilled disposable container has been the only issue, which is now solved.
Propane is still the best value for the dollar, as are gas powered inverter generators, which are what is powering Helene recovery. I have yet to see an EV power truck, either. They are all diesel, and thousands are redeploying for Milton now.
@@MarkMonteleone I'm aware of the legal, refillable tanks. They have been around a long time, but now the non-refillable tanks will not be sold in CA. If you run out of propane in a one pound tank in CA in the future, what good will walking into a Walmart and buying an empty refillable tank do you? You missed my point. Besides that, the tanks are pretty expensive compared to an empty disposable tank that is free. If I wanted a 20 lb tank to power my appliance I wouldn't have 1 lb tanks. They serve different purposes and one isn't always a replacement for the other.
Propane has much less energy than gasoline or diesel, but it stores better and that is why it makes for a better emergency fuel for generators. It takes electricity to get the liquid fuels out of the station's storage tanks so when the electricity goes, so does the gasoline supply. I think that's why propane it used in this emergency. Rural areas don't usually have natural gas supply systems in place, so most folks have large propane tanks for their fuel needs.
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@@mrhalfstep The refill valves have been around for at least ten years and are still sold. If someone does have an empty tank, they will likely also have the valve in the future and DIY at home - along with the 2-4 other they will keep on hand to prevent running out in the future. As for my "disposable ones," I still refill them and many others will as they hoard them back.
A lot of the backpackers have already transitioned to isobutane, I bought an ultralight stove and it came with transfer fittings to refill them, too. It's commonly discussed in those communities. As for a twenty pound tank, Im reading RV campers are switching to 5 pound and they recycle the 20 thru the refiller. Again, they DIY and it's an open topic.
I don't doubt there may be other influences to limit the sale of 1 pound propane tanks, but one state in the US passing a law doesn't mean it will stick. CA has a growing trend of being struck down in the courts and I suspect there will be legal action to oppose this. It aint over yet.
@@MarkMonteleone I was making one simple point and you are still missing it. That point is, if you screwed up and didn't bring an extra tank, prefilled or refilled and don't have a refill valve with you and don't have a 20 lb propane tank with you and you are camping in Commiefornia, you will be shit out of luck because your only recourse is to buy an empty refillable 1# tank and valve kit and a filled 20# tank to fill the empty 1# tank with, unless you just like spending $80-$90 for all those supplies just to finish your weekend trip. If you were prepared all the time, for every contingency, like the grand master that you seem to be, you will never be left wanting, but some folks forget or count on another member of the group or have kids that manage to undermine their best efforts, etc. Those folks might just need to run over to Walmart and get a filled 1# tank and they can't in Commiefornia. That's my one and only point.
This is all a bunch of yuppie stuff Stick with your old basics
I like many of videos, but electrifying camp gear is the worst idea you have had. Don't complicate life with having a bunch of gear that clearly is not suited for long term camping trips, Maybe for a weekend, but then why have two sets of gear. This is just a good excuse to make another video to hopefully make some money.
I've gotta respectfully disagree. Why have a whole separate fuel source just for cooking. I've also fully converted to electric cooking and I'll never go back. Induction is unaffected by wind and my batteries are recharged every day, so I never run out of fuel. It can be an awesome and resilient system if you don't buy junk.
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I do like electric when traveling to campgrounds with the precious juice. I have a micro, griddle, and coffee pot. When traveling I don't have to set up my large propane CAMP chef just for 1 or 2 quick meals. I also have enough solar power in my pop up to use them and my all electric fridge if necessary.
@@Gretchen_TroubleI plan on getting an electric setup and using the 2kW Generator mode on a Tremor Super Duty.
Seems like a great option, especially with a bunch of kids running around a campsite.
I mean I really like fire stuff but electric is pretty nice And you can get cheap apartment starter grade stuff at like Walmart it’s usually small and last a long time. I have some stuff from the 70s that still works
Get on with it. Too many I'll show you laters. I have to go, I'll change your thumbs down later.