Jacking up Haptic Buzz amps at high voltage to negate regeneration going down hill sounds like a great idea. It can function as high voltage bleed off in the form of nosie.
Love that your dad is riding at 75! I still love the feel of mission on a XR, but I end up riding my vesc boards 95% of the time because safety + power = fun
I have just installed an XRV kit in my old XR, and it's so much better than before. Just having the visibility over everything the board is doing is great. I don't worry about it nose diving at low battery, and I'm able to set safer limits if I let my children ride it, etc. I think your choice of an XRV for your father is a great one.
I agree, coming from the RC world i don't let my board go lower than 30% if I don't have to, and I don't end my rides with big hills. I could feel the voltage drop, makes me sketched out.I can't wait to drop a kit in the Pint X and GT. So stoked for next summer! Thanks for all you do for the community 🤘🤘
I put the GTV on my board with a 5" N52 hub and it feels like as much torque at low speeds as my friends GT-S with an N52 5" hub. Plus I have a bit more range than he does. Hit 25.5 mph at 91% duty cycle and am about 210 lbs 6'5". Before the GTV my highest speed was 21.4 mph. I don't think I am going to push it that hard again, but it's nice to know it can do it. I'm pretty sure the old FM controller is still able to be paired back to the board if I ever needed.
Great vid! Definitely something more people need to understand, and I think would benefit from, is that low end torque. Not only for safety, but also for easier slow hill climbs. Not all of us want to go crazy fast! P.S. - also planning to be in Deutschland for Xmas with the fam for the first time... even been practicing German everyday since August!
Great video, thank you! I agree about high voltage warning, it's pretty hard to apply the brakes with full nose tilt. Also particular thanks for the explanation about charge only BMS. "Rider safety over battery life" 👍: Asimov's laws of robotics 🤖
Surdado just got my thor 300 and the bms. Going to.install it tonight. My stock gt was such a turd in the water. No tirque and walking the dog today, going slow a littke tiny rock nose dived the board
Power is safety / if you love your dad just build him a 30s2p Thor400 or x12 - make it out of flight packs so he can travel with it - might as well put a superflux in it as well - it’ll give home a workout if he ever had to pick it up …
p.s. what about the "Serious bugs in VESC v6.05 Firmware" and "Critical Setting Fixes for PintV & XRV Riders" should we apply those to the XRV kit? Also are there any special safety considerations if you have the CBXR battery, could you please talk about this in your XRV video? Thank you
You talked a lot about tilt-back and haptic buzz but I am wondering if Vesc has the ability to make loud notification sounds on the phone? Currently riding FM and always turn my phone ringer on so that I get audio notifications for battery level and errors. It might be handy to ride with an earbud in just for this purpose if you plan to be trail riding or otherwise pushing the board hard that day.
I have watched some videos here and it has been described as "magic." In other words you can get some knowledge from here that will get you going but in the end its up to you to decide if you are actually learning and improving.
On my 14s rc helicopters, you fly to 20 percent battery and your auto rotating or crashing your 4k heli. With a board that can hurt you 20 percent on Lithium power is foolish
@@dee2ski easy - board goes in the checked luggage with the battery removed. Stock XR battery is a no-go so I’m building a custom 2-part battery to carry on
I disagree that that XRV is a really safe option. XRV involves the use of the stock battery. For heavier riders the battery sag means the nose will suddenly give way when you exceed the performance of the battery. Even a stock XR does this with a low battery. To avoid this issue means turning down motor amps to a level where a lot of the performance advantages of vesc are lost and IRL most riders aren't doing this. Setting battery amps at 30A did not in my experience prevent the nose dipping, you also need to reduce motor amps down really low to stop the nose dipping badly and unpredictably. So a lot of XRV riders are riding a setup where if they try and accelerate hard they will nose dive really bad and they either need to be careful or turn the motor amps way down below the usual settings. Also you wont know exactly what the limits of your battery are and how many amps you can actually get away with until you experience at sketchy nose dip IRL. On top of that the XRV is attracting a crowd into vesc with the lowest level of technical aptitude because its advertised as a drop in kit requiring much less from the installer than a custom vesc build or conversion.
@@surfdado I'd have to reinstall a stock battery and I have 130x jp40 and brand new glitter spot welder so that's not going to happen. I'm hoping that sketchy battery sag will be a thing of the past.
Jacking up Haptic Buzz amps at high voltage to negate regeneration going down hill sounds like a great idea. It can function as high voltage bleed off in the form of nosie.
Came to write the same thing, It's actually a genius way to dump energy downhill AND scaring the shit out of the rider.
Love that your dad is riding at 75! I still love the feel of mission on a XR, but I end up riding my vesc boards 95% of the time because safety + power = fun
I have just installed an XRV kit in my old XR, and it's so much better than before. Just having the visibility over everything the board is doing is great.
I don't worry about it nose diving at low battery, and I'm able to set safer limits if I let my children ride it, etc. I think your choice of an XRV for your father is a great one.
I agree, coming from the RC world i don't let my board go lower than 30% if I don't have to, and I don't end my rides with big hills.
I could feel the voltage drop, makes me sketched out.I can't wait to drop a kit in the Pint X and GT. So stoked for next summer! Thanks for all you do for the community
🤘🤘
I put the GTV on my board with a 5" N52 hub and it feels like as much torque at low speeds as my friends GT-S with an N52 5" hub. Plus I have a bit more range than he does. Hit 25.5 mph at 91% duty cycle and am about 210 lbs 6'5". Before the GTV my highest speed was 21.4 mph. I don't think I am going to push it that hard again, but it's nice to know it can do it.
I'm pretty sure the old FM controller is still able to be paired back to the board if I ever needed.
Great vid! Definitely something more people need to understand, and I think would benefit from, is that low end torque. Not only for safety, but also for easier slow hill climbs. Not all of us want to go crazy fast! P.S. - also planning to be in Deutschland for Xmas with the fam for the first time... even been practicing German everyday since August!
i liked the part about onewheels
Great video 🤙🏻
Great video, thank you!
I agree about high voltage warning, it's pretty hard to apply the brakes with full nose tilt. Also particular thanks for the explanation about charge only BMS.
"Rider safety over battery life" 👍: Asimov's laws of robotics 🤖
Surdado just got my thor 300 and the bms. Going to.install it tonight. My stock gt was such a turd in the water. No tirque and walking the dog today, going slow a littke tiny rock nose dived the board
Power is safety / if you love your dad just build him a 30s2p Thor400 or x12 - make it out of flight packs so he can travel with it - might as well put a superflux in it as well - it’ll give home a workout if he ever had to pick it up …
p.s. what about the "Serious bugs in VESC v6.05 Firmware" and "Critical Setting Fixes for PintV & XRV Riders" should we apply those to the XRV kit?
Also are there any special safety considerations if you have the CBXR battery, could you please talk about this in your XRV video? Thank you
I was under the impression that the XRV kit was only safe up to 18s
it's the full floatwheel controller, all 100V rated components, fully 20s capable
FM has a built in feature to avoid high voltage tiltback. "Charge to 90 percent" instead of 100 percent
@@uhjyuff2095 not on the Pint/X/S though - and you gotta remember to set it. But great for people who live on top of a hill
@@surfdado It only notifies you when you get to 90% - it doesn’t stop charging, right? (Greetings from the house at the top of the hill.)
@@angusofstockholm GT/XRC stops charging at 90% when enabled. You can do that with an XLite BMS on VESC too btw
OK! I’ve had a pint and an XR so far. Got an X7 incoming though. It would be great if I could get that to stop charging short of 100%
You talked a lot about tilt-back and haptic buzz but I am wondering if Vesc has the ability to make loud notification sounds on the phone? Currently riding FM and always turn my phone ringer on so that I get audio notifications for battery level and errors. It might be handy to ride with an earbud in just for this purpose if you plan to be trail riding or otherwise pushing the board hard that day.
@@RichardCypher1971 float control and floaty both have audio notifications for days - and fully customizable, too much to describe in a comment
I need a board where traction is the issue not power. My pint climbs nothing 🙃 i know you have to use momentum and be light on your feet but damn..
maybe unpopular opinion but i do feel like most vesc boards should be built w@least a 18s pack to ramp up overall torque safety
certainly not unpopular - everyone wants faster boards... but if you stay below 20mph there's no real safety advantage in having 18s
How good is fungineers bms for the gtfo kit. Is it safe n reliable. Im about to install it.
Tony FTW!
What would be your recommendation if I truly want to learn the in's and outs of vesc? Is there any classes?
I have watched some videos here and it has been described as "magic." In other words you can get some knowledge from here that will get you going but in the end its up to you to decide if you are actually learning and improving.
what is your own personal board setup?
I've been riding a Thor300 BTG board for most of the year now, 18s2p P45B with a SuperFlux HT, Burris 7" TX22
On my 14s rc helicopters, you fly to 20 percent battery and your auto rotating or crashing your 4k heli. With a board that can hurt you 20 percent on Lithium power is foolish
How do you get your dads board to Germany?
@@dee2ski easy - board goes in the checked luggage with the battery removed. Stock XR battery is a no-go so I’m building a custom 2-part battery to carry on
@@surfdado ah so, shoulda figured you were making a custom battery... Thanks for all the beta
Hey Surfdado. Where in Germany will you be?? Stop over for a winter groupride if you‘re near Frankfurt! Big invitation, i‘d be a pleasure. let me know
Haha that's awesome, we'll join you for sure! Is there a local FB group? We're in Heusenstamm btw
I disagree that that XRV is a really safe option. XRV involves the use of the stock battery. For heavier riders the battery sag means the nose will suddenly give way when you exceed the performance of the battery. Even a stock XR does this with a low battery. To avoid this issue means turning down motor amps to a level where a lot of the performance advantages of vesc are lost and IRL most riders aren't doing this. Setting battery amps at 30A did not in my experience prevent the nose dipping, you also need to reduce motor amps down really low to stop the nose dipping badly and unpredictably. So a lot of XRV riders are riding a setup where if they try and accelerate hard they will nose dive really bad and they either need to be careful or turn the motor amps way down below the usual settings. Also you wont know exactly what the limits of your battery are and how many amps you can actually get away with until you experience at sketchy nose dip IRL. On top of that the XRV is attracting a crowd into vesc with the lowest level of technical aptitude because its advertised as a drop in kit requiring much less from the installer than a custom vesc build or conversion.
@@benlay750 you’re making a lot of claims, would love to see some actual tests and data. Lowering motor amps make zero sense imho
@@surfdado I'd have to reinstall a stock battery and I have 130x jp40 and brand new glitter spot welder so that's not going to happen. I'm hoping that sketchy battery sag will be a thing of the past.
Surf will build a new battery with p28a cells for added safety. He even said in the video how he will get a new battery into EU from USA.