If you check the boxes of Vista film: the made in Leverkusen one should say "Agfa" and the Fuji one - should say Agfaphoto. Before the Agfaphoto that comes from Fuji, there also was Vista made by Ferrania.
Last year I shot some 30 year old Kodak p3200 that expired in 1990 just to see…. Exposed it at 25 ISO and developed it at 400 ISO. Turned out great. The film base was darker than fresh film, but you wouldn’t know it from the final photos. I also have some 10 year old p3200 that needs 2-3 stops over exposure to be usable, but still shoots well. Storage may matter more than age.
You know, I used to shun Lomo film, but after shooting some Purple in 120, I've really come to like some of their film stock. Say what you want about their origins, Lomography is one of the few companies providing new film stock at scale, so instead of buying expired film I come across, I've decided to take that money and support Lomo...and dammit, I'm really enjoying Purple and Metropolis waaaay more than I thought I would and the Lomo team have been amazingly supportive and encouraging to me.
I once shot some Pan F 50 that expired in 96 at box speed, and it came out beautiful. Some HP5+ from the same bulk from the same era I overexposed by 2 stops and came out alright albeit very grainy.
I shoot ISO 200 and 400 color film expired in 2005 with no issues by overexposing a stop and a half. If I compare negatives shot expired versus fresh more than ten years earlier, I cannot see a difference on the light table with a magnifying glass. Fuji Superia 400 is still affordable fresh when you can find it.
Low speed B&W film does not age that quickly especially if stored in a fridge 70% of its life. I had 25 and 50 and 100 ISO film from 80s and 90s and it had no issue, I shot them at box speed and all shots was perfect except some spots that is kinda normal for over 20 year old film.
Films for professionals do not last long if the have been stored cold or freezing. Films for amateurs can last much longer, but films for amateurs also last much longer if they are stored cold or freezing. (Keep film at least at a dry and dark place if you cannot store it cold or freezing !).
Americans: "Kodak is raising film prices to $18 per roll and $65 per pack! THOSE MONSTERS" *Rest of the world where these have been the standard prices for 7 years* : "Oh no! Anyway"
Sometimes I wonder if the film photography industry is dying with no remedy. I own some gear that I love using and, by time to time, I find myself thinking that maybe it would be a good idea to sell it and buy a digital Leica M, however I’m afraid it won’t be close enough to the real film photography experience and I would end up regretting it
The way I see it no... Film itself wont die. with the current world economic and financial status there is a lot of reasons for it to become more expensive. the resurgence of film created a price increase as well which is to keep in mind. but to give you an idea film sales are still somewhat steady and there is still a high amount of demand.
I kept almost all my analogue cameras and switched to digital Leica in 2005. Today, I use Leica R lenses on my M-P 240 and M 240 along with two M lenses. I still have some Kodakchrome 64/ 135, but I'll keep them as a souvenir. I've dipped my hands in photo chemicals for about 30 years, and I'm glad, it's over. White Wall in Berlin and a local lab are printing my photos. I couldn't do it better myself. If you plan to buy a digital M, I'll highly recommand either an M-P 240 or M 240. You can get them new serviced from 3,000 USD and up. If you shoot b/w only, get hold of an M 240 Monochrome. They are amazing. Anyway: good to learn about expired film stock and to handle it.
Film photography was truly dead in 2008. It was hard to even give away film equipment then. We've been lucky with the recent resurgence. I'd say keep the film gear and put some fresh film in the freezer, it won't age much at all that way. Dust off your analogue camera when the time is right.
If you check the boxes of Vista film: the made in Leverkusen one should say "Agfa" and the Fuji one - should say Agfaphoto.
Before the Agfaphoto that comes from Fuji, there also was Vista made by Ferrania.
Last year I shot some 30 year old Kodak p3200 that expired in 1990 just to see…. Exposed it at 25 ISO and developed it at 400 ISO. Turned out great. The film base was darker than fresh film, but you wouldn’t know it from the final photos.
I also have some 10 year old p3200 that needs 2-3 stops over exposure to be usable, but still shoots well. Storage may matter more than age.
Really Really Informative .
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You know, I used to shun Lomo film, but after shooting some Purple in 120, I've really come to like some of their film stock. Say what you want about their origins, Lomography is one of the few companies providing new film stock at scale, so instead of buying expired film I come across, I've decided to take that money and support Lomo...and dammit, I'm really enjoying Purple and Metropolis waaaay more than I thought I would and the Lomo team have been amazingly supportive and encouraging to me.
I once shot some Pan F 50 that expired in 96 at box speed, and it came out beautiful. Some HP5+ from the same bulk from the same era I overexposed by 2 stops and came out alright albeit very grainy.
Ilford and Fomapan would do nicely.
I shoot ISO 200 and 400 color film expired in 2005 with no issues by overexposing a stop and a half. If I compare negatives shot expired versus fresh more than ten years earlier, I cannot see a difference on the light table with a magnifying glass.
Fuji Superia 400 is still affordable fresh when you can find it.
Kodak motion picture films are great,I’ve been shooting 250D for 2 years.Pretty good option in this circumstance .
Low speed B&W film does not age that quickly especially if stored in a fridge 70% of its life. I had 25 and 50 and 100 ISO film from 80s and 90s and it had no issue, I shot them at box speed and all shots was perfect except some spots that is kinda normal for over 20 year old film.
Films for professionals do not last long if the have been stored cold or freezing. Films for amateurs can last much longer, but films for amateurs also last much longer if they are stored cold or freezing. (Keep film at least at a dry and dark place if you cannot store it cold or freezing !).
Film prices and film developing prices is madness now
Wonderful episode about shooting anything with emulsion 🤣😂
Same thing I've done with two expired bulks of Ilford PanF and HP4
👏👏👏👏
Americans: "Kodak is raising film prices to $18 per roll and $65 per pack! THOSE MONSTERS"
*Rest of the world where these have been the standard prices for 7 years* : "Oh no! Anyway"
Don't understand it,
Film shooting is totally popular but the NEW films are getting rare and expensive.
There hasn't been any "real" Agfa film in the canisters anymore since they changed the film's name from Agfa Vista to Agfa Vista Plus, iirc.
Do you buy Kodak Gold at DM? Because it's now 13 euros per three 36 exposure rolls...
Expired C41 gets issues with age!
I got some cold stored Fuji press 800 rolls and around iso 100 I got ok results
Sometimes I wonder if the film photography industry is dying with no remedy. I own some gear that I love using and, by time to time, I find myself thinking that maybe it would be a good idea to sell it and buy a digital Leica M, however I’m afraid it won’t be close enough to the real film photography experience and I would end up regretting it
The way I see it no... Film itself wont die. with the current world economic and financial status there is a lot of reasons for it to become more expensive. the resurgence of film created a price increase as well which is to keep in mind. but to give you an idea film sales are still somewhat steady and there is still a high amount of demand.
I kept almost all my analogue cameras and switched to digital Leica in 2005. Today, I use Leica R lenses on
my M-P 240 and M 240 along with two M lenses. I still have some Kodakchrome 64/ 135, but I'll keep them as a souvenir. I've dipped my hands in photo chemicals for about 30 years, and I'm glad, it's over. White Wall in Berlin and a local lab are printing my photos. I couldn't do it better myself. If you plan to buy a digital M, I'll highly recommand either an M-P 240 or M 240. You can get them new serviced from 3,000 USD and up. If you shoot b/w only, get hold of an M 240 Monochrome. They are amazing. Anyway: good to learn about expired film stock and to handle it.
Film photography was truly dead in 2008. It was hard to even give away film equipment then. We've been lucky with the recent resurgence. I'd say keep the film gear and put some fresh film in the freezer, it won't age much at all that way. Dust off your analogue camera when the time is right.
😱 Negative handling 🤣