Hey Warzone, have you tried this combo for the Cooper yet? Mx silencer, ragdoll barrel, 3.25x slate, 45w stock, carver foregrip, 60 round mag, lengthened, pine tar grip, tight grip, on hand. Saw someone else with this, and it doesn't move. Wondering your thoughts.
The STG is the best AR but not with the 50 round mag! Switch to the 60 round mag for a 900ms ttk, that’s over 100ms better! And use the 1229/slate 3.25x optic because it gives you more recoil control and less visual recoil to make it just as accurate as the 50 round. I’ve covered this many times in depth but you just have to make a few switches to the class and you won’t regret it!
@@ralladinhox well you are super wrong on the ttk! 1034ms for 50 and 900ms for the 60 at long range paired with the recoil patterns being nearly identical if you setup the 60 round correctly, like I already said. The 3-6x is not needed! It is a nice benefit but not necessary. People have been frying with my setup. The best being someone who got a 48 kill PR. It is an aggressive build and the best mid range gun in all of Warzone 30-100m you aren't beating it and that's most engagements. It is still great to 150m and I am 100% confident that 95% of players would perform better with the 60 round 1229/Slate 3.25x optic. You are just saying things without trying them meaning you aren't coming from a place of knowledge just skepticism!
@@AscendAR why was everybody using the 50rnd when the stg was meta? Cause the recoilpatern is just way smoother, a higher firerate,faster and not bugged reload and way better movement. The ttk on the 60rnd was always 100ms better but you will get the best ttk 5 out 10 times and with the 50rnd 8 out of 10 times. The 60rnd just makes no sense. The difference in ttk is not worth it. Every wagerplayer or gunexpert like truegamedata will tell you this. Play the 60rnd but you just hurting yourself PS: on combined shots, the ttk is literally the same :)
@@ralladinhox I would say the reason everybody used/uses the 50 round is because of big creators suggesting and catering all the attachments to the 50 round! They didn't try to figure out the best build for the 60 round. So if you just change the the mag on their setup to the 60 round, it won't be better! Iceman is one of the best creators when it comes to builds and looking into the stats. But 1 creator won't have all the answers or best setups. And the problem is people piggyback off of others! Iceman probably will never see this comment or try my STG setup. But I made multiple videos on it and have only heard positive results from my subs. The 50 round isn't better if you dive fully into the stats with the full setup comparisons and recoil comparisons. People just blindly listen to big creators without actually messing around with different attachments to truly find the best build. Iceman is great because he tinkers around to find out what he thinks is the best. But as I said there are way too many guns for 1 person to figure out all the answers. As he said he forgot about the STG! The results that I've garnered from testing it and results my followers got have mainly all been better with my build than the 50 round. I'm not saying this with no research, no testing, or no results. I'm saying it with a lot proof
I remember when I started playing Warzone in April, the STG44 & Owen Gun were the meta. As a casual gamer, it took me a full month to level it up, and then it got nerfed to the ground. Very happy to see it back in action.
It's fun and it's great in terms of movement speed and recoil/range, BUT it definitely lacks the punch to be top tier meta. At midrange it can't compare to the likes of SG, Cooper and Automaton, and at close range you will be destroyed by almost any other SMG or shotgun. MP7 is fun as hell, my favorite weapon in the entire game - but it is not meta level. You can still use it to great effect though
According to TrueGameData STG kills just as fast (or slow if you will) than the KGM40, but it has more recoil making it harder to beam 50+ meters away targets, so I’ll still stick with KG since the TTK is pretty much indentical, if you want a real TTK changer use the Cooper Carabine.
I have been using this with the arma since the NZ nerfs, I dropped my first 40 bomb with it last night. This thing is nasty, I have been loving it even though it statistically it wasn't better than other ARs. Thanks for confirming for me. Though I have been using Strife Angled, Grooved Grip, and Precision stock for the horizontal control. This gun has so little vertical so these attachments work better for me. Nerves of Steel has been really coming in clutch for me erases the flinch and recoil when those gunfights get close, helps secure those last shots. Worth a shot.
@@jonfleig6450 730 be having bot lobbies, huh!? I hopped on rebirth around 7 a couple days ago and I had like 12 in first circle but then all my randoms died lol
Solos is a little more open to play style and comfort. I wouldn't go with mw weapons due to the movement speed but depending on your recoil control there are many vanguard options. I don't know if the 45 round mag is still viable on the stg in solos but it used to be amazing.
I do love this channel... so so many others but this 1 is my fav... The passion on this guy is something else. P.s. i appreciated the rig setup vid you posted a while back. Was blown away when you stated how much it was all worth. All i can say is thank you for your time and efforts. I myself really appreciate your time and efforts as do many others no doubt. Peace out fella.
I’ve been saying this to everybody using the KG M40 cuz all the RUclipsrs said to use it. Stg got so much disrespect the last few weeks. I saw it get taken out of meta loadouts like it was nerfed in the ground, meanwhile I’m out maneuvering and beaming ppl with their big bulky KG.
I will say that maybe the STG is better for aggressive, good players in the way that the AMAX and AK47 were better for good, aggressive players but when it comes to the average player the KG is better because of the recoil control and ADS speed doesn't matter as much when not being agro. I know the STG recoil and AK recoil aren't comparable but when you are comparing it to the other good guns at that time I feel they are similar. Fun times with that jail break btw.
I love the format of these videos. Here's why, heres your screenshot, heres me playing with it a bunch so you know it works and maybe even what situations to try and set up w the gun. 👍
The STG's back, good to know when choosing main AR. but right now Modern Warfare's M91 LMG has much faster TTK than STG. STG: 846ms M91: 720ms STG jumps 1034 at 40m but M91 keeps the 720ms ttk all the way to 56m which after it jumps only to 810ms which is OVER 200ms difference!
I mean if we want to go that route, you might as well say the AS VAL has a much faster TTK than the STG (It's the fastest killing gun in the game), but there are other things about it that make it unviable, especially at longer ranges. TTK by itself isn't the end-all-be-all... You have to factor in all the other variables too.
:: you should compare the Marco 5 (that warzone loadout and most others claim as the META SMG) to the MW CX-9. Faster muzzle velocity, slower ADS but still fast than an AR, and faster TTK. Only 3 bullets less on BTK, but with slight of hand and a 50 round drum, it’s low key a slight better option with a small sacrifice to movement speed.
Good shit bro! You should do another top 10 load outs iceman! Also look into the ugm8. Massively slept on. Only gun that competes with it is the cooper. The auto barrel
Suggestion. Could you make a video highlighting all the mechanics that the game really doesn't touch on. Things like making the map square, you touch on, but other things like how the map pulses or hit markers or little ques you look for or use, that new players might not notice.
You should check out the Owen Gun, it is very similar to the STG v the KG but for SMGs. Has practically the same TTK as the Armaguerra up until 9 meters, then it beats the Armaguerra by almost 200 ms from 10 meters on. I've been using both since the start of Season 4 Reloaded. Also it has like 9 downs per magazine up to 14 meters, so fantastic for 1v4s.
I think for a lot of people it’s just nice to be able to rip people at like 200m not mounted with the KG, you can’t really do that with any other AR rn lol
@@reset-rize on the ugm-8 use the mx sliencer Bernard xl214 736mm mercies wt for stock under barrel m1930 125 mag hatched grip tight for perk one fully loaded for perk 2
Sym oversimplifies TTK calculation quite severely, because it doesn’t round up the amount of bullets you need for a full down. For example: If we were to only hit chest shots with the meta Blixen build, it would kill in 7 bullets. With 600 RPM that would result in a TTK of (7 / 600) x 60 = 0.7 seconds. According to Sym however, the TTK when exclusively hitting the chest is rated at 600 ms, because it rounds the actual 6.38 bullets to kill (given the 47 damage per shot, with 300 hp total) down to 6 bullets. You’re better off using rate of fire and bullets to kill as true TTK variables.
@@brandon1448 Excluding headshots, only a few SMG’s can truly kill under 700 ms with a practical build, 3 of which are the Sten, Armaguerra and MP40. The MP40 falls off really hard after it’s first damage phase, going from 9 to 12 bullets to kill. If you want fast TTK, I’d opt for one of the other 2. I like the Sten because it has the same TTK in all body parts apart from the head, which makes it really consistent. The Arma has insane strafe speed and a larger mag, so I’d say that’s preference.
Just a conversation point here, but what if all the weapons had similar ammo capacities? I know myself, along with many others, prefer cold war/mw weapons, but the ammo capacities are one, of many places where it just isn't as feasible to use them in place of say the automaton with its 75 rd mag. Do you think it being limited to 60 like the modern warfare ARs would make a difference or are the vanguard weapons just that much better?
Generally the vanguard guns have better mobility, example the Cooper only has a 60 round but will ads and move quicker than say the cw vargo which I really enjoy using as well, Cooper has better recoil control also so I think it ultimately comes down to preference. If you vibe with a gun that's not meta and do well carry on man. I like to mix my loadouts up and try and use my favourites😂
@@Morley_94 That is a great point. I have noticed even running a mw smg, the vanguard smg movement feels much quicker. I love the old weapons so much lol. MW M4 or breaking out the oden is just so fun lol. I want to go back to the days of the mp7 and rocket launcher meta lol
@@just_A_Hack honestly I'm seeing more of the mp7 on rebirth lately, been beamed many a time up close with that, I love running through the old stuff it's fun not to chase the meta once in a while
@@Morley_94 absolutely. Personally, I am finding it easier to mess with off meta stuff on the rebirth maps. Dropping into caldera seems like you are really at a disadvantage not using the more top tier stuff
@@andrewboyce7268 try it for close range. It’s crazy close range only thing that’s been competing w it is Marco and CW mp5. But that’s for me everyone is different. Me personally I don’t like the stg since the nerf
The AS44 absolutely shreds, if you can hit your shots. Another fun and comparable option is the Cooper with recoil booster, rapid barrel and compressed rounds. Hard to control, but fun and fast when you hit your shots.
True game data you can combine head/neck/chest/limb stats and give it a realistic ttk. I do understand the lack of magnification but I play on 110 fov with the iron sight variant, tempered with the amp pistol until I pick up someone else’s smg and I’m rocking a 3.53 kd weekly with it (I’m a 2.38 kd player overall)
I rather just use the as44.recoil is not so difficult to handle with the proper grip and scope. Also disable perk to shoot runners legs and stop them makes easier target which is Severly underrated.. ttk is better than both weapons. switch lengthened to hollow point if you dont mind less velocity and the ttk is insane to the extremities. 610 to 23m and 671 after and thats just hitting upper legs and arms. Its a fun gun to use right now for sure but not the easiest for everyone.
KG is still a range sniper killer for me... you can place shots with crazy accuracy on a sniper that's 100+ meters away. I can see where in rebirth the STG would edge it out bc there's no real need for that range
Grau beats them both hands down, factor in ads in it's even worse for the kg, feels great to say that in August 2022! No Vanguard guns can kill with an iron sight at 150 meters, happy days!
So this might be a hot take… if you want that MW vibe try the AN94. It’s got the same damage profile as the STG and KG but the headshot and chest shots hit heavier. Also, really great recoil and that’s coming from a controller console player. Would love to see a vid on this one. Love the content IceManIsaac ✊
You should try the automaton! at 50 meters kills faster than both of them, specially the kg! and a small tip if you go down a little bit more in sym you have the combination of shots ttk that is a paid featured in TGD, and also gives you the probability of differents ttks! 😀😉✌
@@poshervanyt2413 but definitelly both then would struggle more in trios or quads, but since its a solos gameplay is definitelly viable as well, and the automaton has a higher rpm so you will connect more shots and feel that youre killing faster
I have found that the easiest way to keep up to date is watch these videos AND whatever you are being killed with the most, just switch it to that lol. Way faster turnaround at that point lol😂
@@jfraz_7720 no way. It’s easier to manage recoil the further back that FOV is 100% I’ve played on Xbox and pc and all my settings and the guns I use are different per platform.
whats even better... nikita, faster ttk, more bv, less recoil, faster sprint to fire, faster ads movement, faster ads, faster fire rate. only thing stg is better with is reload speed by a 0.43 seconds and slightly faster non ads movement.
I like it cause of the mobility and the skins, only VG weapon i have on gold, but the problem is that the recoil goes all over the place on those last bullets, i hate the mobility with KG but against a good player is very likely for me to win that fight , but with the STG the shots to broke the armor feel nice but then the recoil bounces horizontally and it def makes me lose gun fights when we are both seeing each other, and also the range , the kg has more damage range , doesnt it? my way to compare is that i mostly land on Airfield, if i can down a guy from the other side of the airport runway, which is like 80mts, the AR is good, otherwise is just hey im gonna remove plates for you and thats it. Im surprised the numbers say this, it does not feel that good, and i hope it did.
@@Morley_94 thank you, tried that but same thing, in today's tourney was seeing aydan and he say something very similar, is not that good, is good top tier for sure but not the best option
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Try stg44 with 60 rounds ttk is alot faster
Always!
Beard? Are you off active duty ?
What website do you use for ttk? Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words :) We keep grinding!
You are the goat
Hey Warzone, have you tried this combo for the Cooper yet? Mx silencer, ragdoll barrel, 3.25x slate, 45w stock, carver foregrip, 60 round mag, lengthened, pine tar grip, tight grip, on hand. Saw someone else with this, and it doesn't move. Wondering your thoughts.
this loadout sux, i would put vital on it
The STG is the best AR but not with the 50 round mag! Switch to the 60 round mag for a 900ms ttk, that’s over 100ms better! And use the 1229/slate 3.25x optic because it gives you more recoil control and less visual recoil to make it just as accurate as the 50 round. I’ve covered this many times in depth but you just have to make a few switches to the class and you won’t regret it!
U will hit way more shots with the 50. So the 60 will have a worse ttk at range. SVT is also needed on Caldera
@@ralladinhox well you are super wrong on the ttk! 1034ms for 50 and 900ms for the 60 at long range paired with the recoil patterns being nearly identical if you setup the 60 round correctly, like I already said. The 3-6x is not needed! It is a nice benefit but not necessary. People have been frying with my setup. The best being someone who got a 48 kill PR. It is an aggressive build and the best mid range gun in all of Warzone 30-100m you aren't beating it and that's most engagements. It is still great to 150m and I am 100% confident that 95% of players would perform better with the 60 round 1229/Slate 3.25x optic. You are just saying things without trying them meaning you aren't coming from a place of knowledge just skepticism!
@@AscendAR why was everybody using the 50rnd when the stg was meta? Cause the recoilpatern is just way smoother, a higher firerate,faster and not bugged reload and way better movement. The ttk on the 60rnd was always 100ms better but you will get the best ttk 5 out 10 times and with the 50rnd 8 out of 10 times. The 60rnd just makes no sense. The difference in ttk is not worth it. Every wagerplayer or gunexpert like truegamedata will tell you this. Play the 60rnd but you just hurting yourself
PS: on combined shots, the ttk is literally the same :)
@@ralladinhox I would say the reason everybody used/uses the 50 round is because of big creators suggesting and catering all the attachments to the 50 round! They didn't try to figure out the best build for the 60 round. So if you just change the the mag on their setup to the 60 round, it won't be better! Iceman is one of the best creators when it comes to builds and looking into the stats. But 1 creator won't have all the answers or best setups. And the problem is people piggyback off of others! Iceman probably will never see this comment or try my STG setup. But I made multiple videos on it and have only heard positive results from my subs. The 50 round isn't better if you dive fully into the stats with the full setup comparisons and recoil comparisons. People just blindly listen to big creators without actually messing around with different attachments to truly find the best build. Iceman is great because he tinkers around to find out what he thinks is the best. But as I said there are way too many guns for 1 person to figure out all the answers. As he said he forgot about the STG! The results that I've garnered from testing it and results my followers got have mainly all been better with my build than the 50 round. I'm not saying this with no research, no testing, or no results. I'm saying it with a lot proof
@@AscendAR dude, i watched some videos of you using the STG. your aim is so trash with it, that's not even funny. what a big cap
Glad you are incorporating ADS times as part of a practical TTK, good onya Isaac!!
I remember when I started playing Warzone in April, the STG44 & Owen Gun were the meta.
As a casual gamer, it took me a full month to level it up, and then it got nerfed to the ground.
Very happy to see it back in action.
I wouldn't say the stg was ever nerfed into the ground.
@@danlford you're right. The NZ just took over.
@@1989manuelflores Owen wasn’t killed either
Hey Ice Man, what thumbsticks do you play with?
Give the FiNN a shot with sleight of hand, mono, longshot adverse, commando, and VLK.
What's your audio settings isaac ?
The gun Dr just put out a new KG40 build the other day, and the TTK is amazing.
Hey! Thoughts on the MP7? I've been seeing quite a few people using it again
It's fun and it's great in terms of movement speed and recoil/range, BUT it definitely lacks the punch to be top tier meta. At midrange it can't compare to the likes of SG, Cooper and Automaton, and at close range you will be destroyed by almost any other SMG or shotgun. MP7 is fun as hell, my favorite weapon in the entire game - but it is not meta level. You can still use it to great effect though
According to TrueGameData STG kills just as fast (or slow if you will) than the KGM40, but it has more recoil making it harder to beam 50+ meters away targets, so I’ll still stick with KG since the TTK is pretty much indentical, if you want a real TTK changer use the Cooper Carabine.
I have been using this with the arma since the NZ nerfs, I dropped my first 40 bomb with it last night. This thing is nasty, I have been loving it even though it statistically it wasn't better than other ARs. Thanks for confirming for me.
Though I have been using Strife Angled, Grooved Grip, and Precision stock for the horizontal control. This gun has so little vertical so these attachments work better for me.
Nerves of Steel has been really coming in clutch for me erases the flinch and recoil when those gunfights get close, helps secure those last shots. Worth a shot.
No you didn't
@@robheald2002 that was at 7:30am today using this gun
@@jonfleig6450 upload the 40 bomb or else it never happened 😂
All I took is the screenshot but codtracker or wz ranked can easily confirm
@@jonfleig6450 730 be having bot lobbies, huh!? I hopped on rebirth around 7 a couple days ago and I had like 12 in first circle but then all my randoms died lol
Great video! I was wondering, how do you know the enemy position at 17:28? Seems to me like a Spider-man sense 🙂
Headphones 🤦🏼♂️
What would you pick in a solos tourney if you had to choose between STG and Cooper?
Solos is a little more open to play style and comfort. I wouldn't go with mw weapons due to the movement speed but depending on your recoil control there are many vanguard options. I don't know if the 45 round mag is still viable on the stg in solos but it used to be amazing.
UGM Full Auto
lmao the camera zoom on Ice's double-take when he knocked dude parachuting was perfect
The stg has been humbled by the NZ and the KGM. I’ve always been excited finding a blue or green STG though… Unless I find a blue Cooper of course lol
STG was irrelevant for a while, but with a few nerfs to both the KG and NZ it's definitely back and is becoming a top choice for competitors again.
Not seen many people use but I'm using the Nikita AVT and it's amazing, in my opinion, better than NZ or maybe that's just my play style.
It's great as a SS. If u can manage recoil
@Iceman with the reload time would the STG be able to down 8 people faster than the KG?
what sensitivity you use for controller?
I do love this channel... so so many others but this 1 is my fav...
The passion on this guy is something else. P.s. i appreciated the rig setup vid you posted a while back. Was blown away when you stated how much it was all worth.
All i can say is thank you for your time and efforts. I myself really appreciate your time and efforts as do many others no doubt.
Peace out fella.
I missed the build in the video, anyone know what it is?
I’ve been saying this to everybody using the KG M40 cuz all the RUclipsrs said to use it. Stg got so much disrespect the last few weeks. I saw it get taken out of meta loadouts like it was nerfed in the ground, meanwhile I’m out maneuvering and beaming ppl with their big bulky KG.
I will say that maybe the STG is better for aggressive, good players in the way that the AMAX and AK47 were better for good, aggressive players but when it comes to the average player the KG is better because of the recoil control and ADS speed doesn't matter as much when not being agro. I know the STG recoil and AK recoil aren't comparable but when you are comparing it to the other good guns at that time I feel they are similar. Fun times with that jail break btw.
I love the format of these videos. Here's why, heres your screenshot, heres me playing with it a bunch so you know it works and maybe even what situations to try and set up w the gun.
👍
The STG's back, good to know when choosing main AR. but right now Modern Warfare's M91 LMG has much faster TTK than STG.
STG: 846ms
M91: 720ms
STG jumps 1034 at 40m but M91 keeps the 720ms ttk all the way to 56m which after it jumps only to 810ms which is OVER 200ms difference!
There's probably over a 200ms difference in ADS too. Not to mention movement speed, reload time, and lack of a high optic zoom like the 3-6x 😔
I mean if we want to go that route, you might as well say the AS VAL has a much faster TTK than the STG (It's the fastest killing gun in the game), but there are other things about it that make it unviable, especially at longer ranges. TTK by itself isn't the end-all-be-all... You have to factor in all the other variables too.
@@IceManIsaac You're probably right, didn't think of it. Thank you for pointing it out! And keep making that amazing content Isaac!
@@TheRedGhoul What a guy, you and Isaac!!
Still think the polymer grip works best on the STG. Weirdly it helps with initial and sustained recoil 👍
Really so i should swap for hatched
:: you should compare the Marco 5 (that warzone loadout and most others claim as the META SMG) to the MW CX-9. Faster muzzle velocity, slower ADS but still fast than an AR, and faster TTK. Only 3 bullets less on BTK, but with slight of hand and a 50 round drum, it’s low key a slight better option with a small sacrifice to movement speed.
Does the 60 round mag kill any faster on the STG?
the "heeeey what's up" at the beginning gets gruffier and scratchier every video lol
Good shit bro! You should do another top 10 load outs iceman! Also look into the ugm8. Massively slept on. Only gun that competes with it is the cooper. The auto barrel
Anything changed in the past 4 days is stg still a go to ?
Good stuff as always ICE!
Dude iceman you are the man that was awesome 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Suggestion. Could you make a video highlighting all the mechanics that the game really doesn't touch on. Things like making the map square, you touch on, but other things like how the map pulses or hit markers or little ques you look for or use, that new players might not notice.
One of the last videos posted was about the Cooper, what’s the better AR, cooper or stg?
He said cooper for solos, stg for quads
Is it better then cooper on rebirth?
You should check out the Owen Gun, it is very similar to the STG v the KG but for SMGs. Has practically the same TTK as the Armaguerra up until 9 meters, then it beats the Armaguerra by almost 200 ms from 10 meters on. I've been using both since the start of Season 4 Reloaded. Also it has like 9 downs per magazine up to 14 meters, so fantastic for 1v4s.
I v4’s lol alright calm down Rambo
@@briangordon1347 lol I just meant for when he or other people were playing in kill race tournaments and might need to do that haha
What's his type 100 loadout?
yeah I want to know too, it doesn't look like the typical meta setup
I think for a lot of people it’s just nice to be able to rip people at like 200m not mounted with the KG, you can’t really do that with any other AR rn lol
exactly
How does it compare to the Cooper?
How does this affect the Cooper carbine legacy
Cooper beats them both, but isn't practical in trios/quads due to the lower damage per mag. Cooper in solos/duos. STG/KG in trios/quads.
@@IceManIsaac nice thanks for the Intel Man
U need to try the ugm-8 it’s hitting hard I think it might be on top now
What setup? I can't find the right combo for auto on Caldera.
@@reset-rize on the ugm-8 use the mx sliencer Bernard xl214 736mm mercies wt for stock under barrel m1930 125 mag hatched grip tight for perk one fully loaded for perk 2
Sym oversimplifies TTK calculation quite severely, because it doesn’t round up the amount of bullets you need for a full down.
For example: If we were to only hit chest shots with the meta Blixen build, it would kill in 7 bullets. With 600 RPM that would result in a TTK of (7 / 600) x 60 = 0.7 seconds.
According to Sym however, the TTK when exclusively hitting the chest is rated at 600 ms, because it rounds the actual 6.38 bullets to kill (given the 47 damage per shot, with 300 hp total) down to 6 bullets.
You’re better off using rate of fire and bullets to kill as true TTK variables.
Whats the go to SMG then?
@@brandon1448 Excluding headshots, only a few SMG’s can truly kill under 700 ms with a practical build, 3 of which are the Sten, Armaguerra and MP40. The MP40 falls off really hard after it’s first damage phase, going from 9 to 12 bullets to kill. If you want fast TTK, I’d opt for one of the other 2. I like the Sten because it has the same TTK in all body parts apart from the head, which makes it really consistent. The Arma has insane strafe speed and a larger mag, so I’d say that’s preference.
@@TomsTwoCents type 100 as well
Love the STG for duos. Gonna try the UMG for Titanium Trials.
Just a conversation point here, but what if all the weapons had similar ammo capacities? I know myself, along with many others, prefer cold war/mw weapons, but the ammo capacities are one, of many places where it just isn't as feasible to use them in place of say the automaton with its 75 rd mag. Do you think it being limited to 60 like the modern warfare ARs would make a difference or are the vanguard weapons just that much better?
Generally the vanguard guns have better mobility, example the Cooper only has a 60 round but will ads and move quicker than say the cw vargo which I really enjoy using as well, Cooper has better recoil control also so I think it ultimately comes down to preference. If you vibe with a gun that's not meta and do well carry on man. I like to mix my loadouts up and try and use my favourites😂
@@Morley_94 That is a great point. I have noticed even running a mw smg, the vanguard smg movement feels much quicker. I love the old weapons so much lol. MW M4 or breaking out the oden is just so fun lol. I want to go back to the days of the mp7 and rocket launcher meta lol
@@just_A_Hack honestly I'm seeing more of the mp7 on rebirth lately, been beamed many a time up close with that, I love running through the old stuff it's fun not to chase the meta once in a while
@@Morley_94 absolutely. Personally, I am finding it easier to mess with off meta stuff on the rebirth maps. Dropping into caldera seems like you are really at a disadvantage not using the more top tier stuff
Got my sub bro!! I’ll def be trying this out tonight
I mean the STG never really left. Its an absolute beam. I've been on it, and use the AS44 for those up close fights. Yeah, 2 ARs but it's worth it.
Nikita smokes both easy
@@Top_G_98 I like that gun, but hate using it as a loadout weapon being on console. Hard to control. I'll have to give it another chance.
@@andrewboyce7268 try it for close range. It’s crazy close range only thing that’s been competing w it is Marco and CW mp5. But that’s for me everyone is different. Me personally I don’t like the stg since the nerf
I will say I haven’t used as44 in awhile so you could he onto something as well
The AS44 absolutely shreds, if you can hit your shots. Another fun and comparable option is the Cooper with recoil booster, rapid barrel and compressed rounds. Hard to control, but fun and fast when you hit your shots.
I have been frying lately with the Nikita too you should show a long range set up!
Nice vid 👍
Noti Gang
Man, I appreciate the breakdowns and the vibes
Sleeping on the Grau. It beats everything in combination shots.
Whats the TTK combination
No high magnification zoom like the 3-6x unfortunately
@@IceManIsaac the only good thing about console fov 😂 2.5x is about the same as a 120FOV sniper scope😂
True game data you can combine head/neck/chest/limb stats and give it a realistic ttk. I do understand the lack of magnification but I play on 110 fov with the iron sight variant, tempered with the amp pistol until I pick up someone else’s smg and I’m rocking a 3.53 kd weekly with it (I’m a 2.38 kd player overall)
@@sBrink3r whats the TTK bro
Is it better than the Cooper tho?
God I can't believe how much Aim Assist helps with horizontal control.
STG44 was my favorite VG gun think I'll use it again.
First time using a gun before IceManIssac Post a Video!!! (I usually follow your guide!)
I rather just use the as44.recoil is not so difficult to handle with the proper grip and scope. Also disable perk to shoot runners legs and stop them makes easier target which is Severly underrated.. ttk is better than both weapons. switch lengthened to hollow point if you dont mind less velocity and the ttk is insane to the extremities. 610 to 23m and 671 after and thats just hitting upper legs and arms. Its a fun gun to use right now for sure but not the easiest for everyone.
It is almost the only ar I have ran since vg launched
Awesome gameplay as always. Love your content. Could you please drop your Type 100 loadout as well? Thanks :)
Haven't stopped using the stg. Been melting like always
KG is still a range sniper killer for me... you can place shots with crazy accuracy on a sniper that's 100+ meters away. I can see where in rebirth the STG would edge it out bc there's no real need for that range
I have had the STG44 since day one of Warzone. Never changed it is always reliable. Plus also the PKM. Both have never left my load-out picks.
Wasnt even out on day 1 of warzone? lol
Awesome beard.... where, you took it off? :)
Watched the stream and just used it .. it does slap ! Pulled 15 kills in champions on peak . That a decent game for me 😆
What is a lean forward player?
Been using it over the KG the last few days and have been anticipating a video from you confirming its supremacy.
"My controller looks so good in the hand cam!"
Nah mah dude. Your hands look so good in the controller cam.
Grau beats them both hands down, factor in ads in it's even worse for the kg, feels great to say that in August 2022! No Vanguard guns can kill with an iron sight at 150 meters, happy days!
So this might be a hot take… if you want that MW vibe try the AN94. It’s got the same damage profile as the STG and KG but the headshot and chest shots hit heavier. Also, really great recoil and that’s coming from a controller console player.
Would love to see a vid on this one. Love the content IceManIsaac ✊
Enjoy. ;) XD
STG SETUP: 3:41
Thank god, i hate the kg feels like im running around with an lmg, i was using the auto but i forgot about stg
12:20 You should have put that claymore at the top of his ladder lol
Have kept this gun in my loadout even with all the shifts! Still a dream to use!
Bruh! Have you tried the No recoil AS44 build? It kill faster than all and feels like a copper.
Fun Fact :
"FFAR 1 Best TTK" (528ms - 41 meters)
-Agency Suppressor
-19.5" Task Force
-Axial Arms 3x
-Field Agent Grip
-STANAG 50 Rnd
Cause you hitting hs only all the time😄😄😄
@@ralladinhox most assault rifles have a ttk of 800ms , hitting the head is the way to get a kill in the shortest time possible basic rule bro...
Thanks dude i only have the STG and the XM4 fully leveled up 😂 i want to level up the kg and the cooper but now i won't i just use the STG
You should try the automaton! at 50 meters kills faster than both of them, specially the kg! and a small tip if you go down a little bit more in sym you have the combination of shots ttk that is a paid featured in TGD, and also gives you the probability of differents ttks! 😀😉✌
Yes average ttk is there. Up
Yes sadly the automaton has poor damage per mag plus it looks ugly asl lol
@@poshervanyt2413 the down per magazine with the automaton is actually higher than this stg lol 5.36 auto x 4.22 stg x 5.07 kg
@@poshervanyt2413 but definitelly both then would struggle more in trios or quads, but since its a solos gameplay is definitelly viable as well, and the automaton has a higher rpm so you will connect more shots and feel that youre killing faster
@@gusgamingxb4530 so is the automaton a better option for a map like fortunes keep over the KGM40?
Does anyone know why i dont have the 7.62 50 mag... I have only 30 shots 7.62?
At this point these videos don't matter anymore. All the guns are beast.
Try the long range volk. Better than the cooper for solos
I'm so sick of all the meta changes.. every day seems to be a change
I have found that the easiest way to keep up to date is watch these videos AND whatever you are being killed with the most, just switch it to that lol. Way faster turnaround at that point lol😂
Metas at the moment are at least a full season.😄
Noti gang
Check out iceman rocking the winning scuff design👊
All this looks great on pc with all the settings dialed in.
Noti gang
What smg is that
Why not vital??? It is worth?
I was wondering why dudes like Joe were rocking this recently, gonna have to try this out!
I was just using it last night and this just confirms it slaps lol
AS44 IS THE META no cap nothing else comes even close !!
What loadout do you use? I'm loving the AS44 but I'm not happy with my build.
@@randyattaway8893 Mx silencer / 615mm barrel /2.5 scope / koskayava custom stock the carver or hand stop under barrel /7.62 50 round / hatched grip lengthened disabled and fully loaded
@@nwgsanthoro thank you! I'll give this a try.
I like this gun a lot but the recoil for us 80 FOV console players is pretty tough to manage at long range compared to the MG or cooper.
the recoil doesnt change, you pull down the same amount on both platforms
@@jfraz_7720 no way. It’s easier to manage recoil the further back that FOV is 100% I’ve played on Xbox and pc and all my settings and the guns I use are different per platform.
Ok, I just tested the STG build in Rebirth solos, I didn't win, but it does MELT. And at distance to even with a 2.5 optic.
The weapon doesn't belong to BOTS either, because they don't win with it anyway.
Love your videos!!
Noti gang.
"no aim assist no aim assist" Me" but your on mouse and keyboa....... oh, when did he switch"
The cooper and m13 are the best ar's in the game happy hunting 😁😁😁😁
whats even better... nikita, faster ttk, more bv, less recoil, faster sprint to fire, faster ads movement, faster ads, faster fire rate.
only thing stg is better with is reload speed by a 0.43 seconds and slightly faster non ads movement.
I like it cause of the mobility and the skins, only VG weapon i have on gold, but the problem is that the recoil goes all over the place on those last bullets, i hate the mobility with KG but against a good player is very likely for me to win that fight , but with the STG the shots to broke the armor feel nice but then the recoil bounces horizontally and it def makes me lose gun fights when we are both seeing each other, and also the range , the kg has more damage range , doesnt it? my way to compare is that i mostly land on Airfield, if i can down a guy from the other side of the airport runway, which is like 80mts, the AR is good, otherwise is just hey im gonna remove plates for you and thats it. Im surprised the numbers say this, it does not feel that good, and i hope it did.
If you're struggling with the last bullets try swapping out for a sustained fire recoil attachment this should help
@@Morley_94 thank you, tried that but same thing, in today's tourney was seeing aydan and he say something very similar, is not that good, is good top tier for sure but not the best option
Love it. Another W video
L16 vibes ‘tracks’ vice pings
Imma need to try this gun out again.
What's the build?