This video is completely wrong. He's not describing a Knuckle Curve. He's describing a curve ball with your knuckle up. Two completely different things. A Knuckle Curve you put two fingernails (the index and middle finger knuckles) on the top seam. The ring finger goes along the side seam. When you throw, you snap the index and middle fingers over the top of the ball and you pull down with the ring finger like a curve ball. The result is a sharp downward break. Some pitchers also throw this pitch with one knuckle (index finger) and then replace the ring finger with the middle finger. Check out how Tyler Green formerly of the Phillies would throw a knuckle curve For an over exaggeration of what it should look like, snap a ping pong ball with your knuckles and watch how quickly the ball snaps downward
it's always a lot said about the grips, and I think there's lot's of romanticism and mental games in Baseball, I think you're right, grip makes not much difference physically talking, the whole thing is that it does helps to set the mind up for each different pitch, if not it's easy to end up throwing something that it's between whatever you had in mind and a regular fastball, as you said, it's all about the wrist angle on the release point, griping the ball harder or softer will affect way more
@@joathankarey991 knuckleball ain't the best example because it's a complete different beast, obviously the knuckle is all about grip, because you're trying to release the ball with no spin. I was just referring to differences on fastball vs sinkers vs sliders or different change-ups, pitches with spins
@@joathankarey991 grip does affects of course, it's just with some pitches, it does more to your mindset than to the physics, or to say in a different way, throwing mechanics (in general, wrist angle, arm angle, "wrist snap"...) affects even more, take as an example the way the curb-ball it's taught to kids (just with two fingers grip) and how you can also go knuckle, 3 fingers... in the end, the arm mechanic as a whole will make a much bigger roll, but mentally it does makes a big point and it does helps to release it properly
I throw a knuckle curve at 75 mph then will throw a 2/8 curve at 82. It’s quite effective. And anyone throwing a knuckle curve, it is better to throw the pitch at 75% arm speed
I just watched a video a couple of days ago buy a pitching coach who said that the knuckle curve comes in with more velocity and therefore breaks later. He also seemed to make a ddistinction between a spike curve and a knuckle curve. I know at my son's age level, which is 13U, there is a local kid that throws a very late breaking very fast curveball. I was recently advised by another coach that he is in fact throwing a spike curve.
I have to disagree with you that they are the same pitch but different grips... I have thrown both a knuckle curve and traditional curve that were clocked at relatively the same speed, maybe 2-3 mph difference. The pitches are very similar, but my knuckle curve broke significantly later than the traditional curve. I am a junk pitcher and have found more success using a knuckle curve because it is incredibly difficult to make contact with and I have repeatedly made D1 recruits look uncomfortable at the plate. Than with my traditional curve which broke earlier and would get contact from mediocre hitters. In addition, if you are trying to master the knuckle curve try and add in a circle change and two seam fastball. Both tail towards the outside of the zone and are great at making hitters off balance due to the ball path out of the hand. If you master both these pitches you will be successful in high school ball or some college.
The difference is The rotation of the ball and makes it look like a weird pitch ive had 25 strike outs ending that pitch with out them swinging and ive started throwing it this year
I think what shankster meant is that when he said that the grip doesn’t affect the way the ball spins, you throw a knuckleball just like a fast ball yet due to the grip it spins (or doesn’t really)
This video is completely wrong. He's not describing a Knuckle Curve. He's describing a curve ball with your knuckle up. Two completely different things. A Knuckle Curve you put two fingernails (the index and middle finger knuckles) on the top seam. The ring finger goes along the side seam. When you throw, you snap the index and middle fingers over the top of the ball and you pull down with the ring finger like a curve ball. The result is a sharp downward break. Some pitchers also throw this pitch with one knuckle (index finger) and then replace the ring finger with the middle finger. Check out how Tyler Green formerly of the Phillies would throw a knuckle curve For an over exaggeration of what it should look like, snap a ping pong ball with your knuckles and watch how quickly the ball snaps downward
Well, I'm originally from Spain but I live in London (UK), where I play for the London Mets Baseball Club, the biggest (amateur) British baseball club here maybe. There's no professional baseball here though, sadly, there aren't academies or professional coaches either. Hoping to move to US soon, maybe next year if possible. :)
Spike curve, knuckle curve are not different pitches; they are grips. I like gripping the knuckle curve because it ensures I apply even less pressure on my index finger. You are getting the rotation on the ball by the way your wrist are forearm angle are at release of the pitch. Any variance to these pitches come from changing the delivery. When a pitcher manipulates his delivery while throwing different pitches he is much less effective especially by the time he plays high school.
I don’t want to be very rude, but you literally said grip doesn’t change much but ok. Grip does effect the spin because you grip a knuckle ball differently and throw it like a fastball, and it doesn’t spin at all
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This video is completely wrong. He's not describing a Knuckle Curve. He's describing a curve ball with your knuckle up. Two completely different things. A Knuckle Curve you put two fingernails (the index and middle finger knuckles) on the top seam. The ring finger goes along the side seam. When you throw, you snap the index and middle fingers over the top of the ball and you pull down with the ring finger like a curve ball. The result is a sharp downward break. Some pitchers also throw this pitch with one knuckle (index finger) and then replace the ring finger with the middle finger. Check out how Tyler Green formerly of the Phillies would throw a knuckle curve
For an over exaggeration of what it should look like, snap a ping pong ball with your knuckles and watch how quickly the ball snaps downward
First-time viewer...thanks for the video! I always thought that the grip was the difference and never thought it would be the release.
it's always a lot said about the grips, and I think there's lot's of romanticism and mental games in Baseball, I think you're right, grip makes not much difference physically talking, the whole thing is that it does helps to set the mind up for each different pitch, if not it's easy to end up throwing something that it's between whatever you had in mind and a regular fastball, as you said, it's all about the wrist angle on the release point, griping the ball harder or softer will affect way more
Grip it softer is a part of grip 😂, but I mean I have a pretty good knuckle ball and i throw it just like a fastball, grips do effect it
@@joathankarey991 knuckleball ain't the best example because it's a complete different beast, obviously the knuckle is all about grip, because you're trying to release the ball with no spin. I was just referring to differences on fastball vs sinkers vs sliders or different change-ups, pitches with spins
Eien Zero I mean I also throw a slider and experiment with a sinker and I throw it like a fastball and it moves like there supposed to
@@joathankarey991 grip does affects of course, it's just with some pitches, it does more to your mindset than to the physics, or to say in a different way, throwing mechanics (in general, wrist angle, arm angle, "wrist snap"...) affects even more, take as an example the way the curb-ball it's taught to kids (just with two fingers grip) and how you can also go knuckle, 3 fingers... in the end, the arm mechanic as a whole will make a much bigger roll, but mentally it does makes a big point and it does helps to release it properly
You're welcome Aaron. We're glad to help!
I throw a knuckle curve at 75 mph then will throw a 2/8 curve at 82. It’s quite effective. And anyone throwing a knuckle curve, it is better to throw the pitch at 75% arm speed
I just watched a video a couple of days ago buy a pitching coach who said that the knuckle curve comes in with more velocity and therefore breaks later. He also seemed to make a ddistinction between a spike curve and a knuckle curve. I know at my son's age level, which is 13U, there is a local kid that throws a very late breaking very fast curveball. I was recently advised by another coach that he is in fact throwing a spike curve.
I have to disagree with you that they are the same pitch but different grips... I have thrown both a knuckle curve and traditional curve that were clocked at relatively the same speed, maybe 2-3 mph difference. The pitches are very similar, but my knuckle curve broke significantly later than the traditional curve. I am a junk pitcher and have found more success using a knuckle curve because it is incredibly difficult to make contact with and I have repeatedly made D1 recruits look uncomfortable at the plate. Than with my traditional curve which broke earlier and would get contact from mediocre hitters.
In addition, if you are trying to master the knuckle curve try and add in a circle change and two seam fastball. Both tail towards the outside of the zone and are great at making hitters off balance due to the ball path out of the hand. If you master both these pitches you will be successful in high school ball or some college.
The difference is The rotation of the ball and makes it look like a weird pitch ive had 25 strike outs ending that pitch with out them swinging and ive started throwing it this year
So the knuckle ball grip has nothing to do with the ball movement, so what ur saying is that you can throw the knuckle with a fastball grip 😂
I think what shankster meant is that when he said that the grip doesn’t affect the way the ball spins, you throw a knuckleball just like a fast ball yet due to the grip it spins (or doesn’t really)
Joathan Karey damn i didn’t even know I commented this, 3 years ago lol
Shankster01 bruh Ikr
This video is completely wrong. He's not describing a Knuckle Curve. He's describing a curve ball with your knuckle up. Two completely different things. A Knuckle Curve you put two fingernails (the index and middle finger knuckles) on the top seam. The ring finger goes along the side seam. When you throw, you snap the index and middle fingers over the top of the ball and you pull down with the ring finger like a curve ball. The result is a sharp downward break. Some pitchers also throw this pitch with one knuckle (index finger) and then replace the ring finger with the middle finger. Check out how Tyler Green formerly of the Phillies would throw a knuckle curve
For an over exaggeration of what it should look like, snap a ping pong ball with your knuckles and watch how quickly the ball snaps downward
"pitching clinic" my ass 💀
Knuckle curve is way nastier than regular curve
Couldn't be more wrong absolutely 2 different pitches but whatever u say coach
Thanks for this video it really helped me!
Knuckle curve should absolutely come out slower than a regular curve
I read you throw it hard to get a fast break at the end.
:) Nice! Where are you from?
He literally said he was from spain
Well, I'm originally from Spain but I live in London (UK), where I play for the London Mets Baseball Club, the biggest (amateur) British baseball club here maybe. There's no professional baseball here though, sadly, there aren't academies or professional coaches either. Hoping to move to US soon, maybe next year if possible. :)
Please don't tell me you are coaching.
You’re almost completely wrong with what u said laugh out loud .... and u teach pitching clinics ..
Says the one who says laugh out loud and not lol😂
U need to take this video down ...
This guy has no idea what he is talking about.. At least he thinks he does
Spike curve, knuckle curve are not different pitches; they are grips. I like gripping the knuckle curve because it ensures I apply even less pressure on my index finger. You are getting the rotation on the ball by the way your wrist are forearm angle are at release of the pitch. Any variance to these pitches come from changing the delivery. When a pitcher manipulates his delivery while throwing different pitches he is much less effective especially by the time he plays high school.
I don’t want to be very rude, but you literally said grip doesn’t change much but ok. Grip does effect the spin because you grip a knuckle ball differently and throw it like a fastball, and it doesn’t spin at all
Still, I'm a romantic of Knucke-like grips, can't help it, hehe :)