Keep these up please. Need some direct news on online poker by someone intelligent who actually researches the issues. You are a great role model for online players like myself. I aspire to be more like you! Thank you
Great podcast mate - I can tell you are actually in tune with the experience of the actual online professionals. I was just thinking of GG's influence on poker and hoping it doesn't come to the USA last week - a few days before they bought WSOP brand. As a 500NL grinder who makes 5bb/100, my income would be cut in half if GG poker's model was to be implemented here. I suppose if that happens I would just become a live poker player (sigh).
It will be interesting to see how successful GG’s model will be when they are forced to run a ring fenced site. From what I can tell GG is much more willing to open operations to legal grey area markets. Fish from those markets along with high rake squeezing out bad regs creates a better reg to fish ratio than other sites. Games play in ways more familiar to fish and the game quality becomes an upward spiral as more and more fish move their play to GG. I’m not sure that model works as well when GG doesn’t have the initial market access advantage.
great stuff - once again ( should use one of these episodes to do a " deep dive " / sneak peak ) of the new MTT stat checker - for us who r waiting / cannot afford it yet / on the fence - I know u have tutorials when u purchase , but would be nice to see more about it - either way keep up the great work
Great content! One more absurd thing I wanna with you guys. The rake at GG NL50 reg table is over 12bb/100hands. This is after 41k hands what I played and verified.
Thank you for these videos. The PVI RB system makes me laugh. There's way less incentive to study and improve your play vs regs when you can just lose to them and get more RB! Every hour you study cuts into your playing hourly.
I really dislike GG structure as well but think you’re underestimating the rakeback. I played few 100k hands of 200nl RnC and estimated long term avg rb to be around 5bb (with 0.2PVI so for more losing regs might be higher even), and rake taken around 8-9, which made it not all that different from what I would be paying on stars playing 200z for instance with almost no rakeback. It’s just that a lot of the rakeback comes from BBJ and you need to optimize playtime for leaderboards a bit. You can also get way more volume in on GG (especially the nit regs just BBJ hunting and taking presents from fish) which makes it more lucrative than stars. That said still dislike GG but it’s not really a huge difference in effective rake to other sites for low-mid stakes at least
@@abstract1603 Just wrote that based on that Patrick said it's around 1bb in the video tbh which is almost nothing compared to GG. I don't know what's possible to get there these days
@@abstract1603 I get a whopping 0% in Sweden so that's true lol Anyway point is you need to be comparing effective rake post-rakeback to make any real comparisons. Like jackpot fee is 2-3 bb/100 in rake but obviously it's more like 0EV (with lots of variance) in the long term with "rakeback" from winning BBJ
Is the conclusion then to not play on the Site (especially when you don't want the Leaderboard grind?). What would be a good alternativ? Stars or do you have other recommendations? Thanks in advance
I don't think that's feasible for many players, since GG has by far the most traffic of any site. I just recommend diversifying as much as possible. Play on all major sites and test out newer/smaller ones so you can shift your volume quickly if a better opportunity arises.
My opinion is when a site takes the majority of traffic online, and then takes a larger cut of winnings from pros (esp. through nontransparent rakeback systems), that's bad for us. It lowers the ceiling on how much players at each stake can make, and makes it harder for players to move up through stakes.
Curious to hear, say there's one rec at the table, what %difference would being in/out of position be against the rec? My guess is an absolutely astronomical difference, such that for many regs, simply being on the table with the rec isn't enough.
The main issue is the GG Ceo doesn't believe Poker should be beatable. I think they will wipe out the competition then up the rake making it unbeatable. Then poker will be dead. With that being said Pokerstars was once the market leader, the removed rakeback and the games became very tough to beat, the site has been dying ever since.
Lol y have no idea dude ..pokerstars has the most fair rake / rakeback system by far . The thing is that has the poorest and toughest player pool at the same time . The reason? Complicated European poker tax schemes . Ggpkekr doesn't care about that cause you can play here via vpn/agents etc this is the main reason gg take the lead. Everyone can play there !
Rich top poker players should have come together and opened up a crypto site. With crypto deposits anyone from anywhere in the world could play. Unfortunately with the exception of Galfond's pathetic attempt at a poker site nobody even came close to trying doing something about the situation.
Keep these up please. Need some direct news on online poker by someone intelligent who actually researches the issues.
You are a great role model for online players like myself. I aspire to be more like you!
Thank you
Thanks for the support!
i always learn so much about the big picture of poker economics from you. Thank you!
My pleasure!
Thank you for keeping the community informe :D
Great podcast mate - I can tell you are actually in tune with the experience of the actual online professionals. I was just thinking of GG's influence on poker and hoping it doesn't come to the USA last week - a few days before they bought WSOP brand.
As a 500NL grinder who makes 5bb/100, my income would be cut in half if GG poker's model was to be implemented here. I suppose if that happens I would just become a live poker player (sigh).
It will be interesting to see how successful GG’s model will be when they are forced to run a ring fenced site. From what I can tell GG is much more willing to open operations to legal grey area markets. Fish from those markets along with high rake squeezing out bad regs creates a better reg to fish ratio than other sites. Games play in ways more familiar to fish and the game quality becomes an upward spiral as more and more fish move their play to GG. I’m not sure that model works as well when GG doesn’t have the initial market access advantage.
great stuff - once again ( should use one of these episodes to do a " deep dive " / sneak peak ) of the new MTT stat checker - for us who r waiting / cannot afford it yet / on the fence - I know u have tutorials when u purchase , but would be nice to see more about it - either way keep up the great work
Great content! One more absurd thing I wanna with you guys. The rake at GG NL50 reg table is over 12bb/100hands. This is after 41k hands what I played and verified.
That's why y should give up on that greedy site
how does primedope calculate the rake because their they say the rake at 50NL is 9BB and Pokerstars has 7.40BB so this is no true?
@@jaypokerr I play on pokerstars , at nl50 is 7bb
@@jaypokerr prime dope dont update the rake a lot of time ago. If you can see PS have 5% in NL2 but prime dope show 3.5%
Thank you for these videos.
The PVI RB system makes me laugh. There's way less incentive to study and improve your play vs regs when you can just lose to them and get more RB! Every hour you study cuts into your playing hourly.
Great strategy, gl with that
@@vojtechmatulik1292 I mean ofc I don't do that, I just play other sites.
Which are the best sites to play online? Can you make a video with the break down of rakes in different sites or most popular sites? Thank you!
Coinpoker has best rake Ive seen online. Only 2.25bb cap at .5/1 and 1.5bb cap at 1/2
btw bots from ACR/ Ignition play also on GG with over 10bb/100 winrate (i can send you proof if you want)
dope pod bro
TY
You are the best.
great video brotha
Thanks!
Rake at 200nl in Ontario is 12bb/100 on gg poker
I really dislike GG structure as well but think you’re underestimating the rakeback. I played few 100k hands of 200nl RnC and estimated long term avg rb to be around 5bb (with 0.2PVI so for more losing regs might be higher even), and rake taken around 8-9, which made it not all that different from what I would be paying on stars playing 200z for instance with almost no rakeback. It’s just that a lot of the rakeback comes from BBJ and you need to optimize playtime for leaderboards a bit. You can also get way more volume in on GG (especially the nit regs just BBJ hunting and taking presents from fish) which makes it more lucrative than stars.
That said still dislike GG but it’s not really a huge difference in effective rake to other sites for low-mid stakes at least
What d y mean with no rakeback on stars ? They offer decent rakeback.
@@abstract1603 Just wrote that based on that Patrick said it's around 1bb in the video tbh which is almost nothing compared to GG. I don't know what's possible to get there these days
@ltsjack if you grind Fair volume you can gain 60% rakeback on pokerstars but depends the country you live . Poker taxes schemes in Europe are tricky.
@@abstract1603 I get a whopping 0% in Sweden so that's true lol
Anyway point is you need to be comparing effective rake post-rakeback to make any real comparisons. Like jackpot fee is 2-3 bb/100 in rake but obviously it's more like 0EV (with lots of variance) in the long term with "rakeback" from winning BBJ
@ltsjack it's up to you. I prefer no to play on gg under any circumstances.
Is the conclusion then to not play on the Site (especially when you don't want the Leaderboard grind?).
What would be a good alternativ?
Stars or do you have other recommendations? Thanks in advance
I don't think that's feasible for many players, since GG has by far the most traffic of any site. I just recommend diversifying as much as possible. Play on all major sites and test out newer/smaller ones so you can shift your volume quickly if a better opportunity arises.
Does your cash game GTO stat checker works for ante+ std Games?
It doesn't have preflop stats for those formats, but the postflop stats should still be useful.
@@mobiuspoker Ok, so whats the difference for me if im want to use it for ante/std games for buying the basic vs Pro version?
Shouldn’t net profit be more important a cost of doing business.
There’s lower rake games on other sites with less fish and lower net winrates
My opinion is when a site takes the majority of traffic online, and then takes a larger cut of winnings from pros (esp. through nontransparent rakeback systems), that's bad for us.
It lowers the ceiling on how much players at each stake can make, and makes it harder for players to move up through stakes.
Curious to hear, say there's one rec at the table, what %difference would being in/out of position be against the rec?
My guess is an absolutely astronomical difference, such that for many regs, simply being on the table with the rec isn't enough.
Having mirror position/opposite position you may be losing to the regs on either side of you and not gain any ev from the rec
The main issue is the GG Ceo doesn't believe Poker should be beatable. I think they will wipe out the competition then up the rake making it unbeatable. Then poker will be dead. With that being said Pokerstars was once the market leader, the removed rakeback and the games became very tough to beat, the site has been dying ever since.
The rakeback for PS changed and now you can calculate exactly how much rake you get back, this rakeback is better than GG
Lol y have no idea dude ..pokerstars has the most fair rake / rakeback system by far . The thing is that has the poorest and toughest player pool at the same time . The reason? Complicated European poker tax schemes . Ggpkekr doesn't care about that cause you can play here via vpn/agents etc this is the main reason gg take the lead. Everyone can play there !
After rb, all of them are winners
how much rb do you think they get? you can be on as low as 6% rakeback at the max fish buffet rank
@@TooMuchInternetTMI at least double those losses numbers
@@TooMuchInternetTMI double their losses amount
Rich top poker players should have come together and opened up a crypto site. With crypto deposits anyone from anywhere in the world could play. Unfortunately with the exception of Galfond's pathetic attempt at a poker site nobody even came close to trying doing something about the situation.
what about CoinPoker? They are using crypto only and also traffic is quite good
@@HasNoName69 I haven't played there but from what I've seen it could be a decent option yes.
Coinpoker is crypto based. Regularily talked about by Jonathan little and Charlie Carrell, among others.
Tracking PVI is not hard tbh 😅. It’s different on every limit and format. Btw my PVI is 0.3 and i am winning 12bb/100 on 160k hands
nickname?
Great! Be sure to update us when you move up beyond microstakes.
@@patrickhoward2966 yeah it’s nl 50 if that is counting as micro 😅
@@MDAPokerSchool i am not sharing my nickname here but i can share my graph because i think many people will not believe it
@@Cepton probably a new account, nobody has so high PVI and it doesn´t depend on your winrate, but mostly on cashouts/deposit