as a man with baby hands this is one of the most helpful videos I've watched as I can finally play these damned hendrix barre chords after A YEAR, thank you very much
Man, I grew up on an acoustic guitar, I know Hendrix does it, and a lot of other people ... but It's an absolute no-go for me. Your video is actually pretty insightful and clever on that, nice! But nah, not my style.
I play fingerstyle so sometimes using a thumb is the way to go. It’s the most optimum/comfortable way to play some arrangements. Didn’t know it’s considered as a bad habit for some people lol
I would say that the majority of guitar players see it as something positive. But there's a fairly vocal minority that aren't into it and think it can negatively impact your progress. Personally, I think it all depends on the style of music you want to play ☺ Thanks for watching!
I don’t have a problem with barre chords but I learned the thumb over method to play extra notes. It definitely has advantages. I play what I need at the time.
Any technique is worth learning if it fits your needs. Thanx on your insight on that. Never quite understood the anti-thumb side, coming from Rock n Roll, were the thumb on the fretboard is omnipresent, due to low hanging guitars...so I'm down with it, but finally understood why so many shredders and classic players are not. Also, if you play a lot of chords with your thumb, make sure you once in a while stretch your fretboard index finger. Had a video course guitar teacher, who played so much "thumb-style" that his index finger due to always being bend can't stretch anymore, so now he has to play the barred chords with the thumb. (The teacher is also guitarist in a well known British punk band for over 40 years, with loads of albums out and a tour schedule close to insane. So he pretty much doesn't do anything else but that.)
Woah! I never even thought of that being a possibility 😅 You definitely don't want to be having to deal with that down the road. Stretching your fingers is super important! Thanks for checking out the video ☺
Thanks for the video. I've been playing for years and I've never been able to comfortably play with my thumb at all. I have a 12 year old student that can do this with no problem (with average-size 12 year old hands) and this got me thinking. If my 12 yo student can do this then I should be able to learn how to do this too. I think there's something to the idea that with practice our hands can change shape and adapt. Thanks for the info and I'll let you know after I've practiced this for a while!
I tried for *years* to play bar chords anywhere close to comfortably and I could never find a thumb or arm position that didn't cause a major pain build up in the tendon through the palm of my hand. Going thumb over fairly recently was a game-changer. The Hendrix style voicings that are basically a triad on the 2/3/4 strings with the added root on 6 are really fun to play. And as a bonus you can play other cool voicings like a regular open D chord with F# in the bass. Also, as you say, having to switch between thumb over and thumb behind may be less efficient, but I like the forced large-scale movement rather than staying in a similar posture. I find the ovement prevents tension build up. Although I will probably never shred like Yngwie as a result. Happily that's never been a goal. 😆
It's so interesting how even some folks with larger hands find the thumb-over technique to be nearly impossible, and others find it to be much easier for playing certain things. Goes to show just how different we all are physically. For me, the trade off is worth it. If speed is my goal, I shift positions, and that's working fine for me so far. Thanks for watching!! 😀
@@andrewclarkeguitar I'm not sure hand size is that much of a factor. Mary Spender plays thumb over most of the time and she doesn't seem to have big hands. I think it may be mostly just having the patience to get familiar with the feeling, it is a pretty drastic change. And of course if regular style is working for people they may be resistant to change, or not need to change. But some people may just not be able to develop the flexibility for physical reasons.
@@andrewclarkeguitar I do wish though that thumb over, and even triads, would get introduced to young players sooner. I feel like bar chords are a roadblock to a lot of potential players. I listen to Norah Jones' podcast and she has mentioned a few times that her guitar playing is limited by not being able to play bar chords.
I have really long fingers but still struggle with this because my thumbs natural ‘straight’ position is really hyper extended backwards like a C shape, which means when I bend it toward the neck it can’t get it even near 90 degrees, but it is long enough to stretch over the top 3 strings, it’s really fucking annoying, I’ve been trying to forcibly stretch it for a while but so far, nada.
Frankly, it's high time teachers (of non classical styles) stop with the thumb to the back _only_ thing. Maybe if you want to be a Neo-classical shredder? And even then we've seen blazing fast players with their thumbs all over the place. There is nothing more natural than a straight-ish wrist grabbing motion. Especially if you have long fingers and the typically small neck of an electric. I'm just getting serious about electric after many years and my new guitar feels like a broomstick. 😂 As you said with a good easy setup and a little practice, I'm finding thumbing/muting the bottom E or even muting the A too requires minimal effort. Great advice imho.
I'd always go for what my heroes do, not the traditional teachers :P. Gotta say, thumbing has been one of the most rewarding techniques to learn, because you can keep a root note thumbed while adding melodies on top. It's also much more comfortable than bar chords for a whole song. Win-win!
That's a great way to put it! It has been a huge gamechanger for me as well. Couldn't imagine playing without doing it. Thanks for checking out the video! 😀
Im really struggling with this technique. Ive always fretted the F "cowboy" chord using the fleshy pad at the base of my thumb to squeeze pressure to fret the B &E strings for the mini bar. This really restricts my movement i have in my thumb. I can either fret the high strings and forget the thunb or i can reach around with my thumb and my fingers scrunched up and are flat muting the strings....not fretting them. Im desperately trying to get this technique down as a lot of my heros play like this, Hendrix, Frusciante, Klinghoffer and of course Mayer & Clarke🙄 Its a beatiful technique
Yeah, that's the big struggle for a lot of players. I know a good guitar setup can help a lot, but a big part of it is just improving your dexterity and strength. For example, I can fret notes, bars, etc, without creating any pressure behind the neck. No thumb or palm to press against. So for me it feels like I'm barely needing to press when I'm playing. And that just comes from a well set-up guitar and from consistently working on the technique over the years. For most people this technique isn't something you can learn instantly. It comes from working on it for months and slowly your hand will become more relaxed and limber. I wish there was some special trick I could share, but this video covers literally everything I could think of 😅
@andrewclarkeguitar thanks for the reply. I think what makes me the most frustrated is... that when originally say learning a "D" chord I would slowly place my fingers in the now very familiar little triangle shape and wiggle, squeeze until the notes rang out clearly. Then I might worry about a "G" chord. But with this technique I can't even get the notes to ring out clearly. I'm sure if I continue to practice like this I will become very good at making a bad chord. Thanks for all you do for us Andrew. Can't thank you enough 🙏
I wear men's medium work gloves. I struggle with this hard. Maybe I'll try it everyday for a month and see what happens. Tommy Emmanuel says you're hands can change shape... sounds fun. I can get the lowest 5 strings. Its that bar getting the highest strings, woof.
I have average sized hands, I wear size large gloves, and I could not do that on a bet. Any time I try it, it drags my hand down so I mute the higher strings.
@@ItsJustRyan89 I'd encourage you not to abandon it altogether even if it feels awkward right now. It still may not end up being something you use, but the comfort and flexibility do eventually come.
@@frankm2588 Might be more of a flexibility issue at this point. This technique isn't something that most folks can immediately do perfectly. Don't stress too much, but keep trying it a tiny bit whenever you practice. Who knows, maybe it'll start working for you in the future!
What do you think? Is this technique worth learning?
as a man with baby hands this is one of the most helpful videos I've watched as I can finally play these damned hendrix barre chords after A YEAR, thank you very much
That is so great to hear!!
Man, I grew up on an acoustic guitar, I know Hendrix does it, and a lot of other people ... but It's an absolute no-go for me. Your video is actually pretty insightful and clever on that, nice! But nah, not my style.
Fair enough! Definitely not for everyone. I appreciate you taking the time to watch the video though ☺
I play fingerstyle so sometimes using a thumb is the way to go. It’s the most optimum/comfortable way to play some arrangements. Didn’t know it’s considered as a bad habit for some people lol
I would say that the majority of guitar players see it as something positive. But there's a fairly vocal minority that aren't into it and think it can negatively impact your progress. Personally, I think it all depends on the style of music you want to play ☺ Thanks for watching!
I don’t have a problem with barre chords but I learned the thumb over method to play extra notes. It definitely has advantages. I play what I need at the time.
Yeah, I’m with you there
Any technique is worth learning if it fits your needs. Thanx on your insight on that. Never quite understood the anti-thumb side, coming from Rock n Roll, were the thumb on the fretboard is omnipresent, due to low hanging guitars...so I'm down with it, but finally understood why so many shredders and classic players are not. Also, if you play a lot of chords with your thumb, make sure you once in a while stretch your fretboard index finger. Had a video course guitar teacher, who played so much "thumb-style" that his index finger due to always being bend can't stretch anymore, so now he has to play the barred chords with the thumb. (The teacher is also guitarist in a well known British punk band for over 40 years, with loads of albums out and a tour schedule close to insane. So he pretty much doesn't do anything else but that.)
Woah! I never even thought of that being a possibility 😅 You definitely don't want to be having to deal with that down the road. Stretching your fingers is super important! Thanks for checking out the video ☺
Thanks for the video. I've been playing for years and I've never been able to comfortably play with my thumb at all. I have a 12 year old student that can do this with no problem (with average-size 12 year old hands) and this got me thinking. If my 12 yo student can do this then I should be able to learn how to do this too. I think there's something to the idea that with practice our hands can change shape and adapt. Thanks for the info and I'll let you know after I've practiced this for a while!
That's true! Over time your hands will change for sure. I hope it works for you!
I tried for *years* to play bar chords anywhere close to comfortably and I could never find a thumb or arm position that didn't cause a major pain build up in the tendon through the palm of my hand. Going thumb over fairly recently was a game-changer. The Hendrix style voicings that are basically a triad on the 2/3/4 strings with the added root on 6 are really fun to play.
And as a bonus you can play other cool voicings like a regular open D chord with F# in the bass.
Also, as you say, having to switch between thumb over and thumb behind may be less efficient, but I like the forced large-scale movement rather than staying in a similar posture. I find the ovement prevents tension build up. Although I will probably never shred like Yngwie as a result. Happily that's never been a goal.
😆
It's so interesting how even some folks with larger hands find the thumb-over technique to be nearly impossible, and others find it to be much easier for playing certain things. Goes to show just how different we all are physically.
For me, the trade off is worth it. If speed is my goal, I shift positions, and that's working fine for me so far. Thanks for watching!! 😀
@@andrewclarkeguitar I'm not sure hand size is that much of a factor. Mary Spender plays thumb over most of the time and she doesn't seem to have big hands.
I think it may be mostly just having the patience to get familiar with the feeling, it is a pretty drastic change. And of course if regular style is working for people they may be resistant to change, or not need to change.
But some people may just not be able to develop the flexibility for physical reasons.
@@andrewclarkeguitar I do wish though that thumb over, and even triads, would get introduced to young players sooner. I feel like bar chords are a roadblock to a lot of potential players.
I listen to Norah Jones' podcast and she has mentioned a few times that her guitar playing is limited by not being able to play bar chords.
I have really long fingers but still struggle with this because my thumbs natural ‘straight’ position is really hyper extended backwards like a C shape, which means when I bend it toward the neck it can’t get it even near 90 degrees, but it is long enough to stretch over the top 3 strings, it’s really fucking annoying, I’ve been trying to forcibly stretch it for a while but so far, nada.
Frankly, it's high time teachers (of non classical styles) stop with the thumb to the back _only_ thing. Maybe if you want to be a Neo-classical shredder? And even then we've seen blazing fast players with their thumbs all over the place.
There is nothing more natural than a straight-ish wrist grabbing motion. Especially if you have long fingers and the typically small neck of an electric. I'm just getting serious about electric after many years and my new guitar feels like a broomstick. 😂
As you said with a good easy setup and a little practice, I'm finding thumbing/muting the bottom E or even muting the A too requires minimal effort. Great advice imho.
Very good lesson!
I'd always go for what my heroes do, not the traditional teachers :P. Gotta say, thumbing has been one of the most rewarding techniques to learn, because you can keep a root note thumbed while adding melodies on top. It's also much more comfortable than bar chords for a whole song. Win-win!
That's a great way to put it! It has been a huge gamechanger for me as well. Couldn't imagine playing without doing it. Thanks for checking out the video! 😀
Im really struggling with this technique. Ive always fretted the F "cowboy" chord using the fleshy pad at the base of my thumb to squeeze pressure to fret the B &E strings for the mini bar. This really restricts my movement i have in my thumb.
I can either fret the high strings and forget the thunb or i can reach around with my thumb and my fingers scrunched up and are flat muting the strings....not fretting them.
Im desperately trying to get this technique down as a lot of my heros play like this, Hendrix, Frusciante, Klinghoffer and of course Mayer & Clarke🙄
Its a beatiful technique
Yeah, that's the big struggle for a lot of players. I know a good guitar setup can help a lot, but a big part of it is just improving your dexterity and strength. For example, I can fret notes, bars, etc, without creating any pressure behind the neck. No thumb or palm to press against. So for me it feels like I'm barely needing to press when I'm playing. And that just comes from a well set-up guitar and from consistently working on the technique over the years.
For most people this technique isn't something you can learn instantly. It comes from working on it for months and slowly your hand will become more relaxed and limber. I wish there was some special trick I could share, but this video covers literally everything I could think of 😅
@andrewclarkeguitar thanks for the reply.
I think what makes me the most frustrated is... that when originally say learning a "D" chord I would slowly place my fingers in the now very familiar little triangle shape and wiggle, squeeze until the notes rang out clearly. Then I might worry about a "G" chord.
But with this technique I can't even get the notes to ring out clearly. I'm sure if I continue to practice like this I will become very good at making a bad chord.
Thanks for all you do for us Andrew. Can't thank you enough 🙏
It helps me play comfortably thumb ;)
Great!!
I wear men's medium work gloves. I struggle with this hard. Maybe I'll try it everyday for a month and see what happens. Tommy Emmanuel says you're hands can change shape... sounds fun.
I can get the lowest 5 strings. Its that bar getting the highest strings, woof.
Out of curiosity, what is the radius of your neck? I have a 9.5 and while I’m able to do this technique, it’s definitely a bit of a stretch.
This guitar has a compound radius of 9.5 - 12
I guess I’ll just have to keep working on it then haha. Thanks for the quick reply
@@ARealFunkyMonk it definitely takes some time to get the hang of. So don’t be too hard on yourself! Cheers 😊
I have the smallest hands ever and this is a no for me dawg
If you have large enough hands, go for it, if not, don’t try.
Yeah, if you have small hands, this one is gonna be tough for sure.
@@andrewclarkeguitar my paws are about average, it just feels awkward
I have average sized hands, I wear size large gloves, and I could not do that on a bet. Any time I try it, it drags my hand down so I mute the higher strings.
@@ItsJustRyan89 I'd encourage you not to abandon it altogether even if it feels awkward right now. It still may not end up being something you use, but the comfort and flexibility do eventually come.
@@frankm2588 Might be more of a flexibility issue at this point. This technique isn't something that most folks can immediately do perfectly. Don't stress too much, but keep trying it a tiny bit whenever you practice. Who knows, maybe it'll start working for you in the future!
That’s a no for me dawg!! Lol
For people with long fingers if you have short fingers dont even try it