I saw them live in 1978 and had the same reaction. Genesis was incredible live. Phil Collins was amazing. I have only had the one experience but it made me a life-long fan. ABACAB is amazing on the live video, so it must have made the Earth move even without the humongous bass in person. Genesis took care in the details.
Genesis is a band you can hear over and over again and find new things to love each time. Their music has layers, but also their lyrics. 'Sirens' and the 'Sea' often come up in their songs, even on the album 'The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway' (how does that happen?). I think this obtuse tune is about mankind's penchant to kill indiscriminately and without even a curiosity to understand. From their album Duke: “And you kill what you fear; And you fear what you don't understand” (Duke’s Travels 1980). I see being mindful and taking personal responsibility are recurring themes. In the end we all will be at the bottom of the sea, so wake up and do right. Some misuse the term 'pretentious' for Genesis. I hate to say it but they simply don't understand. (is that a bad pun? or bad word play?)
Cool reaction. I had a similar experience of how I came to love Genesis. My first experience was seeing Genesis’ Invisible Touch Tour in Oct ‘86 in Oakland, CA. I was reluctant to go, only knowing a few of their ‘80 hits from the radio. I decided to go. I was influenced by all the hype on MTV. I was blown away by the concert. For the next month, I went around to local record shops and bought their entire catalog on vinyl. (only to buy their entire catalog on CD a year or two later). That’s how they became my favorite band.
As originally written Dodo was part of a suite. It segued into an instrumental song called “Submarine.” I’ve always interpreted the end of Dodo as describing a submarine (parts of a submarine are constructed with brass). Every other character in the song to that point is/was living (dodo; mink; fish; lady; brute; pimp; siren; Davey Jones). A submarine is not, thus it has a heart of stone. A fire or flood aboard a sub is catastrophic (thus the fear of fear and water).
This is my favorite track on the album! I am also fortunate enough to be playing bass on this song on Late Night Live on Cruise to the Edge. So John, are you going on the cruise?
I am a massive Genesis fan and I adore this song. The predominate theory and a lot of fans have stated that the answer to the riddle is a submarine. It has a heart of stone, (nuclear core) hair of brown (seaweed), clothes of brass (the hull of the submarine) seldom need to breath (underwater for long periods of time), needs no wings to fly (floats and sinks all around the ocean). It is also part of a lager intended suite that includes a song portion called "submarine." Cool video man.
Dodo/Lurker are part of what was once called " The Dodo Suite ", composed of four songs(You can find all four together here on RUclips, search Genesis-Dodo Suite). Dodo/Lurker stayed on the album, the other two ended up as " B " sides to singles( the songs are called " Naminanu " and " Submarine "). Listening to all four together are definitely a good listen. Dodo/Lurker is 3rd best track on album(got some prog here), IMHO(Me And Sarah Jane 1st, Ababcab 2nd). Phil Collins killing it on vocals, the usual excellence elsewhere(Mike Rutherford's guitar is getting better on this album). Live versions are tasty. As for lyrics...well, a bit nonsensical, but, that was the goal, perhaps
Tony wrote the lyrics. He very often came up with fantastical lyrics like Home By The Sea or Domino. 😊 But he's got great solo lyrics, too. Examples include The Border, Another Murder Of A Day, Charity Balls, By You and Somebody Else's Dream. 🙂
You guys gotta check out Dimash! Nevermind the hype. Well, you'll see. If you don't like the first one, keep going. They are all different. Show Must go ON, a Queen cover live, or Stranger........Rock on from LA
About the riddle: Maybe rats that were brought to the island Mauritius by ships and were thought to be responsible for the fate of the dodo, by eating eggs and young dodo's?
This is up there on the "weirdest songs Genesis ever did" scale, with "Colony of Slippermen" and "Harold the Barrel." I'm not the biggest fan of _Abacab_ (I much prefer the album before and after), but it has great tunes like this one, so you can't hate the album.
Dodo is about the injustice done to animals for the sake of exploitation by man. The song Squonk seems to be about similar themes of man’s inhumanity towards animals.
I saw them live in 1978 and had the same reaction. Genesis was incredible live. Phil Collins was amazing. I have only had the one experience but it made me a life-long fan. ABACAB is amazing on the live video, so it must have made the Earth move even without the humongous bass in person. Genesis took care in the details.
Genesis is a band you can hear over and over again and find new things to love each time. Their music has layers, but also their lyrics. 'Sirens' and the 'Sea' often come up in their songs, even on the album 'The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway' (how does that happen?). I think this obtuse tune is about mankind's penchant to kill indiscriminately and without even a curiosity to understand. From their album Duke: “And you kill what you fear; And you fear what you don't understand” (Duke’s Travels 1980). I see being mindful and taking personal responsibility are recurring themes. In the end we all will be at the bottom of the sea, so wake up and do right. Some misuse the term 'pretentious' for Genesis. I hate to say it but they simply don't understand. (is that a bad pun? or bad word play?)
I used to think Phil was saying “Darth Vader, agitator”…….😂
Me too!!! - JD
Cool reaction. I had a similar experience of how I came to love Genesis. My first experience was seeing Genesis’ Invisible Touch Tour in Oct ‘86 in Oakland, CA. I was reluctant to go, only knowing a few of their ‘80 hits from the radio. I decided to go. I was influenced by all the hype on MTV. I was blown away by the concert. For the next month, I went around to local record shops and bought their entire catalog on vinyl. (only to buy their entire catalog on CD a year or two later). That’s how they became my favorite band.
As originally written Dodo was part of a suite. It segued into an instrumental song called “Submarine.” I’ve always interpreted the end of Dodo as describing a submarine (parts of a submarine are constructed with brass). Every other character in the song to that point is/was living (dodo; mink; fish; lady; brute; pimp; siren; Davey Jones). A submarine is not, thus it has a heart of stone. A fire or flood aboard a sub is catastrophic (thus the fear of fear and water).
I had exactly the same experience going to the Abacab tour.
John Dave brings up pickling ginger. John, you mentioned Dog Years. RUSH did a song called "Dog Years" on the album Test for Echo from 1997.
I adore this song too!!
This is my favorite track on the album! I am also fortunate enough to be playing bass on this song on Late Night Live on Cruise to the Edge. So John, are you going on the cruise?
I have wanted to go on the cruise since the first year. Sadly, it is not in the cards for me anytime soon. - JD
I am a massive Genesis fan and I adore this song. The predominate theory and a lot of fans have stated that the answer to the riddle is a submarine. It has a heart of stone, (nuclear core) hair of brown (seaweed), clothes of brass (the hull of the submarine) seldom need to breath (underwater for long periods of time), needs no wings to fly (floats and sinks all around the ocean). It is also part of a lager intended suite that includes a song portion called "submarine." Cool video man.
That's it!
Thsts one of my favorite Genesis tracks. Nice edgy heavy sound w/o being overbearing. Great choice!
Dodo/Lurker are part of what was once called " The Dodo Suite ", composed of four songs(You can find all four together here on RUclips, search Genesis-Dodo Suite). Dodo/Lurker stayed on the album, the other two ended up as " B " sides to singles( the songs are called " Naminanu " and " Submarine "). Listening to all four together are definitely a good listen.
Dodo/Lurker is 3rd best track on album(got some prog here), IMHO(Me And Sarah Jane 1st, Ababcab 2nd). Phil Collins killing it on vocals, the usual excellence elsewhere(Mike Rutherford's guitar is getting better on this album). Live versions are tasty. As for lyrics...well, a bit nonsensical, but, that was the goal, perhaps
Tony wrote the lyrics. He very often came up with fantastical lyrics like Home By The Sea or Domino. 😊
But he's got great solo lyrics, too. Examples include The Border, Another Murder Of A Day, Charity Balls, By You and Somebody Else's Dream. 🙂
Love this one from Abacab and Three Sides Live!!
You guys gotta check out Dimash! Nevermind the hype. Well, you'll see. If you don't like the first one, keep going. They are all different. Show Must go ON, a Queen cover live, or Stranger........Rock on from LA
Technically, the turntable did have a fast forward in that you could set the table speed to "45RPM". Technically.
Technically.... - JD
About the riddle: Maybe rats that were brought to the island Mauritius by ships and were thought to be responsible for the fate of the dodo, by eating eggs and young dodo's?
It is still mankind who did the dirty work. Our actions killed the Dodo. Extinction is final.
This is up there on the "weirdest songs Genesis ever did" scale, with "Colony of Slippermen" and "Harold the Barrel." I'm not the biggest fan of _Abacab_ (I much prefer the album before and after), but it has great tunes like this one, so you can't hate the album.
Dodo is about the injustice done to animals for the sake of exploitation by man. The song Squonk seems to be about similar themes of man’s inhumanity towards animals.
Hope you guys had a great Chrimbus. I got 2 tabletop books. Led Zeppelin All The Albums All The Songs Expanded Edition and Rush Album By Album