61% more power wasted on 10% faster CPU. Is it just me or all chipmakers must have a generation of products that keep the same TDP and increase efficiency?
they did that, also reduced tdp here, no one was happy, like you make numbers based on the 105 and compare the old ones then use the already available 65 data and decide wnat happened, another reason to be upset then go buy a 14900k and be happy
@@arch1107 Thank you. It seems people are going to cry either way. Hell, the 9950x is a freaking beast for actual workloads that make money. Gamers are crying about a chip that is not designed to be primarily for gaming. The x3d chips are clearly gaming chips and this should be clear right now. AMD marketing pissed the bed on not focusing on the point during the launch.
@@elsintripas This comment is not against AMD. I understand you are offended because you are real fanboy. I also am using AMD CPU. You can read my comment again. It was not comparison - it was a personal opinion.
If you are running desktop processors... why not? 🤔You're going to say no to a free 10% performance increase because it might cost an extra $0.02/hr to run? 😂 that's like a free upgrade to the next CPU release. AMD has been given what 15% per generation?
you don't actually have to keep running at 105w. If you ever only do a full multithreaded workload run, that is the only time it will use that much power. For all else, power usage might not be affected at all.
@@getinthespace7715 Because your cooling system is intended for 65W and that CPU was bought specifically for that AND you're not a gamer and, therefore, don't give a damn about a measly 10% boost as a trade for a MUCH hotter die?
Would not benefits 99.99% of the games out there. Zen5 isnt build for gaming. X3D might be better but the 10% faster are only for MT. Games that does use all cores and were heavily power limited with 65w 9700x are the only ones that might see the benefit ex: Cities Skyline 2
It seems people in this comment section forgot that Intel opposed to amd gives "up to 10%" more performance by increasing power consumption by 100 watts and not 40 watts
It was already a pain in the ass to set up my 7800X3D with four DDR5-6000 DIMMs to boot and run stable, there's no way on earth I'd struggle through that whole thing again, with decoupled timings and all just to get a 8000 kit to run...
Yes you donut, 61% sounds astonishing because the baseline of 65 watt is low already, and generational uplift usually goes from 10 to 20% performance increase. You're just delusional if you expected 20/30% increase from some bios tweaking
@@Alp577 Hell nah, I meant that in a sense that intels have massive power consumption numbers to the minimal gains it gets. Don't get me wrong, the proportion is ridiculous in this r5 9600 scenario - get 10% performance for 60% more power consumption. 🤣 I'm an intel guy but I'd be willing to switch to AMD if I will have a need for anything more efficient yet more powerful. Currently the i5 10600k gets the job done, no real need for anything more powerful, or more efficient as this one is slightly underwolted to keep it cooler and is prettt efficient for what it is.
AMD is finally giving the TDP those CPU should have had from the start. Are they fearing an Intel comeback ? Are they just trying to seize more market shares while Intel is down ? On thing is certain, an X variant of a CPU should never be less than 105W TDP. That class of performance is reserved for non-X SKUs.
I just can't wait till APU's have enough GPU C.U,s and the ability to share up to 64 gigs of ram for the video, right now i think it's 32 gig. If they can figure out how to stack the CU's and double or triple them, APU's will have the ability to crush atleast a 4080.
I would upgrade to 9000 but that's only because I'm on an AM4 Ryzen 9 5900X ... I mean I'm going to upgrade right now because this does what I need and and I already have more power than I use regularly (I could probably get away with a dual-core system mainly because I just watch youtube most of the time LOL - but I got the 12-core because I want the extra power for when I make music and run the synthesizers on my machine... and you need quite a bit of power to be able to run multiple synths) But I did just get a new moth4er board because my B550 just died out of nowhere.... and I didn't have the money to get a new mobo, AND CPU, AND RAM.... so I just upgraded to an X570.... heck.. I haven't even put it in the new case I got (because I couldn't stand having my HDDs just laying in the case, so I got a new one that holds all 6 of them, AND I could still add 2 more ... which matches the 8 sata ports on my new mobo) but I'm just being lazy about it... and it's been about 4 months LOL ..... but I do wanna run some performance benchmarks on the 2nd nvme drive (that runs off the chipset) to see if adding the HDDs in will slow down the nvme drive.... but I THINK in order for that to happen I would need to add a 7th sata drive... which I don't think I have, but I could use a small older one just for testing... but like I said - I'M JUST LAZY!!! lol
Ryzen 9000 is a 3/4 nm CPU. The fact that you increase power and gain very little means 3/4 nm CPU should not be 8 core ccd, it should be at least 12 core. We are experiencing Same old Intel 4core stagnation. 65 W tdp for desktop? It is close to being a laptop cpu sold to desktop.
I would not upgrade a 7000 series Ryzen to a 9000 series, but if I were building a new computer, I would absolutely use a 9000 series and run it at the lower power setting. It's too bad they can't fix the idle temps, but under load, the 9600x and 9700x are crazy efficient.
I enjoyed your old videos so much more. Well edited and broken down to the point. Nowadays its just talking on camera and showing websites or pictures. Please consider putting more effort into the videos for more enjoyable content
FFS I am thinking I am just going to back away from Hardware info videos for a bit. I am just so frustrated at AMD right now. If intel doesnt give us something decent with Arrow lake I guess i will just keep the 5k i have set aside for a new computer for a bit. This, the x870 mb's, ryzen 9000 in general is just a ripoff. If i am going ot pay 1000's of dollar to get screwed, it will be by someone better looking than Lisa Su.
amd is slowly getting cocky like all companies do, people praised them so much that they will only release worse and worse cpus (smaller generation uplift, higher prices etc.)
here's a funny question: 65 or 105w even before this change... how exactly do they determine if it was using 65 or 105w? "were you overclocking the cpu?" -"overclocking"? does that mean putting ram with nice rgb in the conputer? case closed. rma approved.
Default is 65w, you have to manually up it to 105w which is what I don't understand people crying about having options. Unless AMD riot police are knocking on peoples doors and if they don't comply in changing ctdp to 105 they get turned into red paste!
AMD: we found our issues!!! We need to fix it ASAP Intel: we bring Your issues, motherboards manufacturers maybe fix it ASAC. Guess on wich platform i build my pc (Red is gonna faster! WAAAGH)
I'll be getting a 9800x3d. I'm due for a system upgrade and that chip will be as good or better than the 7800x3d so I might as well just go that route.
Hope so, whole 9XXX gen is barely better than the 7XXX. We are all waiting to see what happens with x3D models, and hopefuly it wont be the same exact situation.
This is just not needed cause 6000 in 1:1 is similar to 7600 in 1:2, but 7600 is already much more hotter and need better chipset on motherboards to work stable... I think 8000 is not be so much better then 6200-6400 with overclocked timings.
If you think AMD is bad, check NVidia. on the 4090, 100% is 460 watts, 80% is 200 watts!. Even worse, going from 98% to 100% you need to go from 330 watts to 460 watts.
Ddr5 is not worth for now in my opinion. I would rather like quad channel ddr4. It would make more sense for now. Cheaper , and available , works whit 4 sticks , and so on. For that reason i still not gona upgrade from ryzen 5000 series. There is a gain in the 9000 series , but not worth to scrap everything but the vga psu and storage. I gona skip 7000 and 9000 , till ddr5 gets sorted out properly. For now its a headache , no more. Maybe if we could have a 9000 series , 16 core cpu whit the x3d , and least quad or hexa channel ddr4 , then I would buy that. Got 4 sticks of ram , 128 gbyte in my current build. I could carry those over , and whit hexa (or even better.... octa) channel memory , I would not hesitate to add more sticks of ram. I'm a big fan and long time user of ram discs. What I do use and need to load fast , are all stored as images. Just mount to the ram drive what I want to use , and its impossible to describe how mutch more smooth it gets. Yess nvme is darn fast. Still never gona be RAM fast. That initial time to mount , so basicly copy , from nvme to ram is nothing compared to what I get. Its not about loading times , its about responsiveness. Everything is "sharp" , and seems like "instant". If it was possible whit windows I would allso prefer to ram boot that too. That being a feature I wanted to have for a long time. Even if I have to run a host os. In fact I did try , linux as host , and a ramdrive to get windows on. For many of the designer work I do , I indeed use this setup. Its extreemely inefficient , yet still worth the experience. Just wish I was not capped to silly 128 gigs of ram . So yess amd , I want more memory channels , and more capacity. I would eighter like to carry over my current ddr4 ram (wont happen sadly) , or if I must scrap and buy new ddr5 ram... for the sake of sanity , allow me to make a meaningfull upgrade. 7000 and 9000 series amd cpus are Just not there yet.
I have 8 y old setup with Skylake cpu (4 core LOL) and 40 gigs of DDR4 and I'm hesitating what to buy: something for AM4 to reuse this ram or maybe something for AM5, but I know that both processors are more expensive and I would have to buy ram. What do you think? Is it worth going from scratch to AM4? (i don't own AM4 mobo)
You can get 48gb and 96gd dims of ddr5. And I believe you mean triple and quad channel, not hex and octa channel. Those large memory channel set upsnare only available on several thousand dollar servers.
I ment 4 channels , or even 6 or 8. 4 was done whit the origonal threadrippers. On the 2nd hand server market one can find epyc cpus whit 8 channel memory support. For an affordable price. But those lack the clock speeds i need. The large ddr5 modules have not so great timing , and 4 sticks on a dual channel still won't work properly speed wise. Compare the latency , by time , and not by clock cycles , of ddr4 whit a sensible 32 gbyte and ddr5 64 gbyte and 96 gbyte modules. And the price. Now compare the speed of 4 channel ddr4 to 2 channels of ddr5. Now compare the price per gig of ram for 64 gbyte ddr5 modules vs 2x32 gbyte ddr4. Swithching to ddr5 is nothing more Than kicking your self in the nuts.
Electric companies rubbing their hands 😂
There is no magic, low power or more frames, choose. And you can choose.
61% more power wasted on 10% faster CPU. Is it just me or all chipmakers must have a generation of products that keep the same TDP and increase efficiency?
they did that, also reduced tdp here, no one was happy, like you
make numbers based on the 105 and compare the old ones
then use the already available 65 data and decide wnat happened, another reason to be upset
then go buy a 14900k and be happy
@@arch1107
Thank you. It seems people are going to cry either way. Hell, the 9950x is a freaking beast for actual workloads that make money. Gamers are crying about a chip that is not designed to be primarily for gaming. The x3d chips are clearly gaming chips and this should be clear right now. AMD marketing pissed the bed on not focusing on the point during the launch.
@@arch1107 Then I guess it is just me not being happy with a gaming heater lol.
What about i9 14900k the 250 watts it needs
@@elsintripas This comment is not against AMD. I understand you are offended because you are real fanboy. I also am using AMD CPU. You can read my comment again. It was not comparison - it was a personal opinion.
If the 900X3D has cache on both CCD as rumoured then it is a must buy.
My system is ready.
65w to 105w for 10% performance - not worth it.
If you are running desktop processors... why not?
🤔You're going to say no to a free 10% performance increase because it might cost an extra $0.02/hr to run?
😂 that's like a free upgrade to the next CPU release. AMD has been given what 15% per generation?
you don't actually have to keep running at 105w. If you ever only do a full multithreaded workload run, that is the only time it will use that much power. For all else, power usage might not be affected at all.
the europoor mind cannot comprehend such things
All the reviewers complained that the power was holding it back. So I guess now you have that choice.
@@getinthespace7715 Because your cooling system is intended for 65W and that CPU was bought specifically for that AND you're not a gamer and, therefore, don't give a damn about a measly 10% boost as a trade for a MUCH hotter die?
I never expect much from this channel but today's "news" is dry AF💀
thank you for saving me 6:50 lol, skipping video
lool
clickbait in every single thumbnail and name just to show news that are 2 weeks old. im about to report every single video. so fucking cringe
why you acting like he controls the tech industry if they haven’t done much they haven’t done much 😂 non logical opinion
@@555-v7g6o If there's no news he should wait. There's no rush. Today's "news" is actually almost a month old. Except perhaps the last part.
Upto 10 percent faster in what? Games? Which games?
Cinebench.
If I say upto 10% faster, that includes 0 doesn't it?
@@genstianThe only game that matters.
Would not benefits 99.99% of the games out there. Zen5 isnt build for gaming. X3D might be better but the 10% faster are only for MT. Games that does use all cores and were heavily power limited with 65w 9700x are the only ones that might see the benefit ex: Cities Skyline 2
Meanwhile at intel 350 watts for -10% worse.
It seems people in this comment section forgot that Intel opposed to amd gives "up to 10%" more performance by increasing power consumption by 100 watts and not 40 watts
It was already a pain in the ass to set up my 7800X3D with four DDR5-6000 DIMMs to boot and run stable, there's no way on earth I'd struggle through that whole thing again, with decoupled timings and all just to get a 8000 kit to run...
I hear ya, I'm still struggling with booting my 7950X3D with 4 DDR5-6000 here and there.
Very good news. I prefer lower TDP, I don't need that many frames for games.
Still waiting for the an Update to the Gaming Industry to make a game that's fun.
This Ryzen 9000 launch was so undercooked it was raw.
C'mon man this is all old news. What else you got for us? lmao!!
Did you just find this channel 😂
Am I the only one who sacrifices 10% performance to save 40 watts TDP?
bunny party everybody jump to the beat
61% more power draw for 10% more performance? Lmfaooo
You have the ability to choose which is great. 105W isn't that crazy if you compare to what intel has 😅
So you would rather go 300W for 5% increase on intel? 😂
Yes you donut, 61% sounds astonishing because the baseline of 65 watt is low already, and generational uplift usually goes from 10 to 20% performance increase. You're just delusional if you expected 20/30% increase from some bios tweaking
@@Alp577 Hell nah, I meant that in a sense that intels have massive power consumption numbers to the minimal gains it gets. Don't get me wrong, the proportion is ridiculous in this r5 9600 scenario - get 10% performance for 60% more power consumption. 🤣 I'm an intel guy but I'd be willing to switch to AMD if I will have a need for anything more efficient yet more powerful. Currently the i5 10600k gets the job done, no real need for anything more powerful, or more efficient as this one is slightly underwolted to keep it cooler and is prettt efficient for what it is.
Tell this to intel with 3x power for the same or worse performance
10% => 1.1^3 is 35% more power
What about DDR5-8000 for Ryzen 8600/8700 iGPU?
probably have a bit of performance uplift . their MC support a bit higher speed compared to DT chip
AMD is finally giving the TDP those CPU should have had from the start.
Are they fearing an Intel comeback ? Are they just trying to seize more market shares while Intel is down ?
On thing is certain, an X variant of a CPU should never be less than 105W TDP. That class of performance is reserved for non-X SKUs.
Are you slow ???? Look how much the energy is going up....for maybe 10%. Jesus you mouth breathers.
40watts for 10%, yeeeeeeeeaaaaaah, na.
but when intel does 100w for 10% is a golden sample.... amd cant do anything without bitches bitching
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if you buy intel its like 300Watts for 5% extra performance or 250W for stock performance, so its good to have a choice on amds.
Comment section lawyers will finish you 😂💀
@@Zishy oh I know, definitely nice to have and more practical that Inferno Lake
I just can't wait till APU's have enough GPU C.U,s and the ability to share up to 64 gigs of ram for the video, right now i think it's 32 gig. If they can figure out how to stack the CU's and double or triple them, APU's will have the ability to crush atleast a 4080.
I would upgrade to 9000 but that's only because I'm on an AM4 Ryzen 9 5900X ... I mean I'm going to upgrade right now because this does what I need and and I already have more power than I use regularly (I could probably get away with a dual-core system mainly because I just watch youtube most of the time LOL - but I got the 12-core because I want the extra power for when I make music and run the synthesizers on my machine... and you need quite a bit of power to be able to run multiple synths) But I did just get a new moth4er board because my B550 just died out of nowhere.... and I didn't have the money to get a new mobo, AND CPU, AND RAM.... so I just upgraded to an X570.... heck.. I haven't even put it in the new case I got (because I couldn't stand having my HDDs just laying in the case, so I got a new one that holds all 6 of them, AND I could still add 2 more ... which matches the 8 sata ports on my new mobo) but I'm just being lazy about it... and it's been about 4 months LOL ..... but I do wanna run some performance benchmarks on the 2nd nvme drive (that runs off the chipset) to see if adding the HDDs in will slow down the nvme drive.... but I THINK in order for that to happen I would need to add a 7th sata drive... which I don't think I have, but I could use a small older one just for testing... but like I said - I'M JUST LAZY!!! lol
AMD is trying hard to fix sales... If they want better sales they need to reduce the price..
like its not that they still sell over 90% of the cpus this year
Ryzen 9000 is a 3/4 nm CPU. The fact that you increase power and gain very little means 3/4 nm CPU should not be 8 core ccd, it should be at least 12 core. We are experiencing Same old Intel 4core stagnation. 65 W tdp for desktop? It is close to being a laptop cpu sold to desktop.
I would not upgrade a 7000 series Ryzen to a 9000 series, but if I were building a new computer, I would absolutely use a 9000 series and run it at the lower power setting.
It's too bad they can't fix the idle temps, but under load, the 9600x and 9700x are crazy efficient.
gskill have 9000 memory sticks
Only product I've been interested in from them is a 5600x3D but they really soured my opinion of them by making that exclusive to microcenter.
I enjoyed your old videos so much more. Well edited and broken down to the point. Nowadays its just talking on camera and showing websites or pictures. Please consider putting more effort into the videos for more enjoyable content
FFS I am thinking I am just going to back away from Hardware info videos for a bit. I am just so frustrated at AMD right now. If intel doesnt give us something decent with Arrow lake I guess i will just keep the 5k i have set aside for a new computer for a bit. This, the x870 mb's, ryzen 9000 in general is just a ripoff. If i am going ot pay 1000's of dollar to get screwed, it will be by someone better looking than Lisa Su.
I'm running those G Skills at 6400 1:1 and it's very fast that way. MSI X670e godlike and 9950x
what a bizarre pr move
amd is slowly getting cocky like all companies do, people praised them so much that they will only release worse and worse cpus (smaller generation uplift, higher prices etc.)
The latency variance is a reporting bug. Not a true latency variation from Ryzen 7000 series.
Did you see that they only used 12 gigs of Ram in the system, hum does it make a difference in testing at that Resolution?
I think we're getting to the end of what is possible with Zen. They need to come up with something new.
6:00 - So what is the tldr for memory speeds that I need for a 9000 series x3d chip?
He is waving his hands more like an italian xD
Pretty sure this isn't sign language.
Amd performance labs testing with an RTX 4090 🤣
Excuse me if i don't believe a word AMD says...
How to tell if someone is overclocked or not? Is there traces of it?
here's a funny question: 65 or 105w even before this change... how exactly do they determine if it was using 65 or 105w? "were you overclocking the cpu?" -"overclocking"? does that mean putting ram with nice rgb in the conputer?
case closed. rma approved.
Default is 65w, you have to manually up it to 105w which is what I don't understand people crying about having options. Unless AMD riot police are knocking on peoples doors and if they don't comply in changing ctdp to 105 they get turned into red paste!
It’s 10% faster in spinning of your power meter. 🤣
AMD: we found our issues!!! We need to fix it ASAP
Intel: we bring Your issues, motherboards manufacturers maybe fix it ASAC.
Guess on wich platform i build my pc (Red is gonna faster! WAAAGH)
Disappointed with the release and not worth to upgrade
AMD testing with 2X6GB of ram LOL wtf
15th stop counting like you are in a race.
thank god amd didnt forget what how warranty should work
Here we go again with the clickbait!
I'll be getting a 9800x3d. I'm due for a system upgrade and that chip will be as good or better than the 7800x3d so I might as well just go that route.
Hope so, whole 9XXX gen is barely better than the 7XXX. We are all waiting to see what happens with x3D models, and hopefuly it wont be the same exact situation.
Eh i got this bios update about a month ago?
Its still a great stable product.
Bro control your hands
YOU ARE AMD SOURCE NOW
Nope bad move.
ufff more leaks nice
My 7950x3d is wonderful.
Hello bro ❤❤❤❤
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61% more power for 10% performance gain. No thanks
Clearly you don't understand how CPUs work. No thanks for your comment.
Um
wont you get better than 8000mhz with ddr6 ?
This is just not needed cause 6000 in 1:1 is similar to 7600 in 1:2, but 7600 is already much more hotter and need better chipset on motherboards to work stable... I think 8000 is not be so much better then 6200-6400 with overclocked timings.
@@smokinwood i see but do you think eventually get mobos that support 8k or faster natively ?
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Is this a old video u uploaded by mistake as this info about the tdp was available a month ago
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Add 61W more power for 10% more performance & a chance of messing up your BIOS 😂
61% not 61W
Chance to mess up bios? Lol piss off nub.
If you think AMD is bad, check NVidia. on the 4090, 100% is 460 watts, 80% is 200 watts!. Even worse, going from 98% to 100% you need to go from 330 watts to 460 watts.
Intel arrow lake will Will destroy AMD Zen 5 non 3d cache CPUs and trade blows with zen 5 3d cache CPUs.
Ddr5 is not worth for now in my opinion.
I would rather like quad channel ddr4.
It would make more sense for now.
Cheaper , and available , works whit 4 sticks , and so on.
For that reason i still not gona upgrade from ryzen 5000 series. There is a gain in the 9000 series , but not worth to scrap everything but the vga psu and storage.
I gona skip 7000 and 9000 , till ddr5 gets sorted out properly. For now its a headache , no more.
Maybe if we could have a 9000 series , 16 core cpu whit the x3d , and least quad or hexa channel ddr4 , then I would buy that. Got 4 sticks of ram , 128 gbyte in my current build. I could carry those over , and whit hexa (or even better.... octa) channel memory , I would not hesitate to add more sticks of ram.
I'm a big fan and long time user of ram discs.
What I do use and need to load fast , are all stored as images. Just mount to the ram drive what I want to use , and its impossible to describe how mutch more smooth it gets.
Yess nvme is darn fast. Still never gona be RAM fast. That initial time to mount , so basicly copy , from nvme to ram is nothing compared to what I get. Its not about loading times , its about responsiveness.
Everything is "sharp" , and seems like "instant".
If it was possible whit windows I would allso prefer to ram boot that too. That being a feature I wanted to have for a long time. Even if I have to run a host os.
In fact I did try , linux as host , and a ramdrive to get windows on. For many of the designer work I do , I indeed use this setup. Its extreemely inefficient , yet still worth the experience. Just wish I was not capped to silly 128 gigs of ram .
So yess amd , I want more memory channels , and more capacity. I would eighter like to carry over my current ddr4 ram (wont happen sadly) , or if I must scrap and buy new ddr5 ram... for the sake of sanity , allow me to make a meaningfull upgrade.
7000 and 9000 series amd cpus are Just not there yet.
I have 8 y old setup with Skylake cpu (4 core LOL) and 40 gigs of DDR4 and I'm hesitating what to buy: something for AM4 to reuse this ram or maybe something for AM5, but I know that both processors are more expensive and I would have to buy ram. What do you think? Is it worth going from scratch to AM4? (i don't own AM4 mobo)
You can get 48gb and 96gd dims of ddr5. And I believe you mean triple and quad channel, not hex and octa channel. Those large memory channel set upsnare only available on several thousand dollar servers.
I ment 4 channels , or even 6 or 8.
4 was done whit the origonal threadrippers.
On the 2nd hand server market one can find epyc cpus whit 8 channel memory support. For an affordable price. But those lack the clock speeds i need.
The large ddr5 modules have not so great timing , and 4 sticks on a dual channel still won't work properly speed wise.
Compare the latency , by time , and not by clock cycles , of ddr4 whit a sensible 32 gbyte and ddr5 64 gbyte and 96 gbyte modules. And the price.
Now compare the speed of 4 channel ddr4 to 2 channels of ddr5.
Now compare the price per gig of ram for 64 gbyte ddr5 modules vs 2x32 gbyte ddr4.
Swithching to ddr5 is nothing more Than kicking your self in the nuts.
Intel is better anyway
Not a fanboy btw XD
LOL
Especially when is fried.
Gentleman, its over for AMD! No Intel has better node with Arrow lake. And much better chiplet (Tile) tech.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣 just my x 670e and 7950x3d last month. In 2027-2028 I’ll still be able to get the latest amd chip while intel is on board 3-4
lmao. intels in worst shape its ever been
@@joeallan3706 lol one generation asw 14th is same like 13th gen. ryzen 9000 also same garbage like ryzen 7000 memory hater
am i the only one think this channel is biased on AMD?