The iPhone 15pro was tested to have a native ISO of 1250, applying the crop factor it is a hair under 12800 full frame equivalent and gave a similar 13 stops dynamic range to the A7S III, but only at that iso level, I mean woah…. So it would be interesting to repeat this test at different ISO levels to identify the true native ISO.
Hello. Typical the dynamic range lowers with higher ISO values. The A7SIII has a dual native ISO and one of them it 12800. I think the iPhones and other smartphones use computational photography to achieve the higher dynamic range. I'll repeat this test with different ISO values though 😉. Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
@@M1R0_Life_through_a_lens That's the surprising thing! - CINED tested ISO55 on iPhone 15 Pro and got 11 stops using Apple LOG, they re-tested it with ISO1200 and got 13.4 stops - that's an insane difference. To put this into context, the full frame equivalent ISOs would be ISO400 and ISO9000, but it seems the single native ISO on iPhone is full frame equivalent of around ISO 9000 and not some low ISO as you might expect. Going above or below this native ISO reduces dynamic range. It also has a 5ms rolling shutter, so quite a few similarities to the A7S III sensor it seems, except just the single higher native ISO.
Hey, love your videos! Helped me a lot. Hopefully you see this question. Do you know at what ISO is the max for native sensor ISO on the action 4? What ISO does it start applying gain to the native ISO for a "fake" ISO? I might try using the RAW camera function and testing this, but figured with your expertise you have figured this out already? Since you recommend 100-800 ISO range, I assume 800 is max, like a lot of other cameras made?
Hello. Thanks. Typically, the native ISO is the minimum ISO, and then the gain is added. This sensor doesn't have a dual ISO option, so the best quality and dynamic range is at ISO 100. You can already see the noise at this value, and it only gets worse with huger values. ISO 1600 is, for me, still usable because I can clean it up in post. Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
Hello. No I haven't tried it and I don't think It would affect the dynamic range. Maybe you could have a bit lower ISO but the dynamic range should not change because of that. ISO 400 is still close to the base ISO. Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
Hii sir watching ur video from a long time and planning to buy DJI oa4 , recently everyone talking about osmo action 5 with a one inch sensor soo should I buy or wait for some time 🤔
Hello. Ha! That's the age old question. I have no idea when the OA5 will come out but it will sometime. If you can wait then wait. Otherwise the OA4 is an amazing camera. Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
If you can wait or need it now? There will always be better cameras if you wait, but for now then OA4 is really one of the best cameras you can buy. And I have myself bought 2 units of OA4 and are more than happy with them.
Hello. Would be good to try. Honestly, I think the 13.5 stops are achieved with computational photography, so like HDR processing. Like a smartphone does it. I'm not sure... Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
Hello. It doesn't have a variable focus. It is focused to the hyperfocal distance which is around 4m away so everything half way back and everything from that point forward is in focus. It's not really good for vlogging because you're always closer the 2m. All action cameras have this "problem". They are meant for action shots ;) Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
Does holding the mic help improve the dynamic sound,, simply clip the mic to the shirt please, distracting and sounds the same if on or or by the table
Hello. The closer the mic is to the source the less background noise and echos are picked up because they are wey lower in strenghth then the source - my voice. It's already a VERY big difference if I just hold the mic twice as far. If it's cliped to my shirt it picks up too much echo and then I need to clean that up in post... Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
@@M1R0_Life_through_a_lens Understood, so A.I. is not used of noise canceling Maybe I should try that out holding in hand, enjoyed and appreciated the comment
Love your videos. Just found you when I got the Action 4. I love it so far!
Hello. Thanks a lot and welcome to the channel. Cheers!
Wow. Your really into it man. I just use normal, for everything. And cross my fingers too, that helps a lot.
Hello. Normal is OK especialy if you don't want to work in post too much. Thanks a lot for the comment. Cheers!
The iPhone 15pro was tested to have a native ISO of 1250, applying the crop factor it is a hair under 12800 full frame equivalent and gave a similar 13 stops dynamic range to the A7S III, but only at that iso level, I mean woah…. So it would be interesting to repeat this test at different ISO levels to identify the true native ISO.
Hello. Typical the dynamic range lowers with higher ISO values. The A7SIII has a dual native ISO and one of them it 12800. I think the iPhones and other smartphones use computational photography to achieve the higher dynamic range.
I'll repeat this test with different ISO values though 😉. Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
@@M1R0_Life_through_a_lens That's the surprising thing! - CINED tested ISO55 on iPhone 15 Pro and got 11 stops using Apple LOG, they re-tested it with ISO1200 and got 13.4 stops - that's an insane difference. To put this into context, the full frame equivalent ISOs would be ISO400 and ISO9000, but it seems the single native ISO on iPhone is full frame equivalent of around ISO 9000 and not some low ISO as you might expect. Going above or below this native ISO reduces dynamic range. It also has a 5ms rolling shutter, so quite a few similarities to the A7S III sensor it seems, except just the single higher native ISO.
Ha! Interesting. Maybe it's something I'll look into. Thanks for sharing. Cheers!
Very good video what about with new normal 10bit after last update?
Hello. I don't think it effects the dynamic range. I haven't tried it out yet 😆. Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
Thanks for your testing👍 which ISO have you tried?
Hello. As I recall, I used ISO 400.
Thanks for making this video.
You're welcome.
rumors that the action 5 will have 13.5 stops what do you think will be much better in low lights?
Hello! Hm could be but the sensor size is still 1/1.3 inch so... If I get it, I'll test it. Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
Hey, love your videos! Helped me a lot. Hopefully you see this question. Do you know at what ISO is the max for native sensor ISO on the action 4? What ISO does it start applying gain to the native ISO for a "fake" ISO? I might try using the RAW camera function and testing this, but figured with your expertise you have figured this out already? Since you recommend 100-800 ISO range, I assume 800 is max, like a lot of other cameras made?
Hello. Thanks. Typically, the native ISO is the minimum ISO, and then the gain is added. This sensor doesn't have a dual ISO option, so the best quality and dynamic range is at ISO 100. You can already see the noise at this value, and it only gets worse with huger values. ISO 1600 is, for me, still usable because I can clean it up in post. Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
@@M1R0_Life_through_a_lens Thanks, man! Exactly what I was needing to know.
Have you tried the lens hood without the glass?. I wonder if it would make a difference
Hello. No I haven't tried it and I don't think It would affect the dynamic range. Maybe you could have a bit lower ISO but the dynamic range should not change because of that. ISO 400 is still close to the base ISO. Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
Good test you did here. You didn't mention if you have 8 bit or 10 bit monitor.
Hello. Yes that's true. I'm not sure if the waveform would show a different result though. Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
Interesting! Did you test your Sony camera with the same method? Official numbers are not quite real usually...
Hello. No. I did my Lumix G9 and it was just below what the official numbers were.
I should test the Sonys 🤔...👍
Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
great insight, ty
Hello. You're welcome.
Hii sir watching ur video from a long time and planning to buy DJI oa4 , recently everyone talking about osmo action 5 with a one inch sensor soo should I buy or wait for some time 🤔
Hello. Ha! That's the age old question. I have no idea when the OA5 will come out but it will sometime. If you can wait then wait. Otherwise the OA4 is an amazing camera. Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
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If you can wait or need it now? There will always be better cameras if you wait, but for now then OA4 is really one of the best cameras you can buy.
And I have myself bought 2 units of OA4 and are more than happy with them.
@@ArcticExploring for getting better it's take time so I can wait 🙏
Thanks for reply 😊
action 5 pro says it is 13.5. I wonder if your testing would confirm?
Hello. Would be good to try. Honestly, I think the 13.5 stops are achieved with computational photography, so like HDR processing. Like a smartphone does it. I'm not sure... Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
@@M1R0_Life_through_a_lens I think you are correct. Still same sensor and more processing power.
Why DJI action 4 unable to focus on things ?
Hello. It doesn't have a variable focus. It is focused to the hyperfocal distance which is around 4m away so everything half way back and everything from that point forward is in focus. It's not really good for vlogging because you're always closer the 2m. All action cameras have this "problem". They are meant for action shots ;) Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
Does holding the mic help improve the dynamic sound,, simply clip the mic to the shirt please, distracting and sounds the same if on or or by the table
Hello. The closer the mic is to the source the less background noise and echos are picked up because they are wey lower in strenghth then the source - my voice. It's already a VERY big difference if I just hold the mic twice as far.
If it's cliped to my shirt it picks up too much echo and then I need to clean that up in post...
Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
@@M1R0_Life_through_a_lens Understood, so A.I. is not used of noise canceling Maybe I should try that out holding in hand, enjoyed and appreciated the comment
Yes this is strait out of the mic. No post production work ;)
excellent thanks
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