*I would imagine that popping a non-enhanced PS5 game version into the PS5 PRO will still give you lots of advantages. You will be able to stay closer to 60 fps at 4K natively, more often before needing to rely on FSR. Using FSR (on quality), you should stay at 60 fps at all times.*
Any GPU locked game would instantly get a boost. And since GPU bottlenecks represents 99.9999% of PS5 bottlenecks, I think everyone with a PS5 has games this will help with.
@@brucewayne2955 This is true. I'm taking them all with a grain of salt though. We know the PRO is real, but likely won't get revealed until August or later & as it stands we don't know much about PS's upcoming games The rampant speculation on Microsoft's summer showcase seems to be in line with already announced games and a possible Gears 6 tease (with just a release year).
Gears of War Ragnarok?? When did that game come out? Is Marcus Fenix fighting Kratos in this new game? Who is publishing it? Microsoft or Sony? Where is the game footage. I got to see this…. Lol
My wife found a 50" 4k HDR smart TV the other day in the trash house. Missing the cord and the remote. No problem. Fixed a cord and a BT remote app. Then got me thinking. Who the heck throws out a 50" UHD tv? Well... i guess who ever bought a 70" UHD tv. The TV was actually 8 years old so it was a lot older than i thought.
@@B-U-T-C-H-E-R if I could run Iracing on PlayStation, id probably do it too. Haven't play Gran Turismo since PS2.. it looks great but I'm afraid to make the jump.
@@christophermullins7163I don’t think you get it consoles will never be extinct people get consoles for a reason mainly for simplicity reasons cause not everyone is a nerd when it comes to pc parts it’s very easy just plug and play pcs more often then not have issues and can be very expensive
I like how Digital Foundry posed the GTA6 30fps-60 question by saying If the game is launched at 30 on consoles then the likelihood of PS5pro breaching the gap to 60 is very unlikely as GTA tends to be CPU-bound but they leave the possibility open to it being unlocked framerate or as You said Paul a 40 mode
Consoles are generally sold at a price for very low profit margins if not losses. That's why Sony doesn't NEED to create another mid-gen console just like PS4 Pro. Personally, I believe that Sony should invest in new I.P.s that can lead to merchandise / movies / shows.
Nobody knows for certain, could be heat, could cause instability, or maybe just for forward compatibility, since the PS6 will need a higher clock than the PS5 versions to have backwards compatibility
Zen 2 CPUs are pretty hot, especially at higher clocks. And consoles use powerful APUs, which are much more power hungry than a mere CPU. Imagine how hot 3700x could be if it had built-in powerful iGPU. It would become a decent heater by itself. But with lower CPU clocks power consumption significantly reduces, thus it is much easier to dissipate it's heat.
@@stangamer1151 im rocking zen 2 and it doesn’t get very hot at all. Im on a air cooler too. I get it tho that an igpu with that kind of power will make it very hot
Mostly thermals and power. Consoles are designed to run quiet so they want to minimise the fan noise and PS5 uses a unique power management system so they most likely didn’t want to take the risk of redesign/retuning the power management system.
GTA 6 is gonna be 30fps. Come on, they always push everything to the max in a detailed world. Just look at red redemption 2. Keeping track of every little animal in the distance alone is very taxing
Yeah look at what Rockstar accomplished with that dinosaur tech and those weak jaguar cores so imagine what rockstar is going to do with this more powerful hardware and tech compared to 2009/2010 tech 😅
So about Cell Broadband Engine being used on PS6, in 2025, 2 Nanometers litography will be the world wide mass production standart, so as PS6 is expected to be launched in november 2027, it will be absolutely zero doubt that Playstation 6 will be at least using 2nm lithography for all its silicon main chips, and here comes the Cell Part, an Cell Broadband Engine made at 2nm will have only 5,2 Square Milimeters, it will be extremely ridiculous small, it will be more than 5 Times Smaller than the Will U Cpu Die area of 27mm2, so the 2nm Cell will be 45x smaller than 90nm Original Cell B.E on PS3, 45x less power consumption, it would be nearly non detect with exception that its there, and will in first place be used to play PS3 Software like all PS3 games for example through Retro on PS6, and PS6 Gpu with 50 Teraflops or 100Teraflops due to 4Flops per core of Rdna 3 will enable easily easily 16k Native Resolution on PS3 Retro, 5,2mm2 Cell B.E on 2nm is Not Only an option its mandatory it's extremely cheap, and will provide extreme performance for extreme small silicon area, an Cpu with 5,2mm2 that can Process 4k 3.840 x 2.160p videocodec and will consume only 3 watts.
Maybe this stop-gap console is for Sony to test and develop their tech for PS6? Using AI for frame generation (their PSSR) and figuring out ray tracing? Maybe MS doesn't need to experiment with it because they have all the PC data from their Windows division. In any case, I can't wait till we get leaks about the PS6 in two years. Generational leaps FTW!
"You don't know GTA6 can't run at 60FPS on PS5/Pro" is like saying you you don't know you're not going to win the lottery. Sure, anything is technically possible, but if you have even a baseline understanding of the topic, then you do know... or the probably is so low that there's literally no meaningful difference.
You just need to dedicate less time to the shot outs. Spending 30 seconds to a minute on a single shot out can get tedious. 10 seconds max, with a sound bite
RDNA3 RT trades blows with the 20 series I recall, still garbage so hopefully its more than alloouded. There's no way PS6 doesnt have alot more Machine learing and Hardware RT focus, That Generation should be alot more excitiing because we'll also get a nice CPU uplift again along a GPU and Ai upscaling/frame generation and machine learning. Stuff like this is what makes the PC GPU space alot more flexable on the Nvidia side with path tracing etc even on a older mid-gen GPU. I can already imagine the cool Tools Sony might make for developers to include into their games
Sony doesn't have the kind of library to expect these to sell well. Itll sell worse than the PS4 Pro due to how disappointing that system was. Sony needs to do something different here, and my suggestion would be to force devs to include an advanced settings menu in every trinity game, that allows gamers to adjust all graphical settings similar to PC games
You have no clue what you’re talking about, naughty dog has a new game, Wolverine will be coming then blockbuster Third party games like GTA 6, Max Payne 1/2 remakes alone are worth getting the pro. Then you still have millions on last gen who haven’t bought a Ps5 yet so yeah the PS5 pro is going to sell like hotcakes I think allot of you people don’t understand and use logic or common sense before you regurgitate what others are saying 😂
Ray tracing should not be a priority on current consoles. They're too cheap to have the hardware to do it while maintaining 60fps and 4K (or whatever high-ish resolution they're insisting on using.) Maybe in a gen or two that will be possible, but not yet. Also, 8K is pointless and should not be a priority for current consoles either. Just attempt to hit 60fps at native 4K, guys. Walk before you run. A 2024 new release like Dragon's Dogma 2 only running at 30fps is embarrassing.
They are wrong. Path tracing can be done in any hardware. Use software too if you want. Use weak old hardware too if you want. Path tracing is only impossible to be implemented if the amount of path tracing is more than the hardware capability to render enough fps for an enjoyable gameplay. More path tracing means higher accuracy of lighting. Think it is like resolution. Higher resolution means more detail. Of course the DF guys KNOW perfectly about this, it just that they might be thinking about the PS5 Pro going against the best RTX GPU that still can't do path tracing (at higher amount). In this case, they are ABSOLUTELY correct. Also, the PS5 Pro probably have a new way to make path tracing cheaper to render. So much technique can be used to show mercy to the hardware by tricking our eyes.
As I understand it, path tracing is simply ray tracing with more bounces and is used for general illumination while ray tracing is more often associated with shadows and reflections. Since RDNA 2 fully support DX12 on PC, and DX12 supports path tracing, and the PS5 uses RDNA 2 (albeit not DX12), I assume it supports full ray tracing. But the performance is so poor it's not practical in most games. Will the reported 2-4 times improvement in ray tracing on the PS5 Pro be enough to make path tracing feasible? DF seemed dismissive of the whole idea.
I don’t believe these claims, especially when it was reported that GTA6 won’t hit 60fps. I’ll be amazed if it allows games like Dragons Dogma 2 to run native 4K 60fps. We were promised much with the PS5 and Xbox Series X, but they’ve been quite disappointing at times. I’m not convinced that the small cpu performance increase is going to make that much difference, but I guess we’ll have to see what the PS5 Pro actually delivers.
To be fair, a lot of games do manage to hit 60fps on PS5. Something the previous ps4s could not do as often. Also regarding GTA6, it’s just baseless rumors as this point on how it’ll run. Wait until the game comes out first before coming conclusions.
Reported by who? All we had so far from anyone in R* team, a message that was later on deleted, from one of the developers that they are optimistic about 60 FPS.... and thats it Considering only a few games this gen, most of them due to poor optimization (that includes Dragons Dogma 2), are running at 30 FPS .... that says a lot.
- Waverace 64 (most dynamic organic feeling water/jetski movement ever). - Goldeneye 007 (impressively diverse AI gunshot reactions to each body part especially in 1997). - GTA3 (fun sensitive driving with very random unexpected accident prone results both player and AI). - Burnout 3 (glorious "Crash Mode" car smashing into traffic mayhem ). Only recent modern game physics that sort of Impressed me were Days Gone and maybe Soulslike ragdoll physics , I'm probably forgetting alot games though.
Um pretty much every game from this point on will fully utilize the PRO last gen is finally getting cut loose so yeah don’t know what that’s supposed to mean 😅
So about Cell Broadband Engine being used on PS6, in 2025, 2 Nanometers litography will be the world wide mass production standart, so as PS6 is expected to be launched in november 2027, it will be absolutely zero doubt that Playstation 6 will be at least using 2nm lithography for all its silicon main chips, and here comes the Cell Part, an Cell Broadband Engine made at 2nm will have only 5,2 Square Milimeters, it will be extremely ridiculous small, it will be more than 5 Times Smaller than the Will U Cpu Die area of 27mm2, so the 2nm Cell will be 45x smaller than 90nm Original Cell B.E on PS3, 45x less power consumption, it would be nearly non detect with exception that its there, and will in first place be used to play PS3 Software like all PS3 games for example through Retro on PS6, and PS6 Gpu with 50 Teraflops or 100Teraflops due to 4Flops per core of Rdna 3 will enable easily easily 16k Native Resolution on PS3 Retro, 5,2mm2 Cell B.E on 2nm is Not Only an option its mandatory it's extremely cheap, and will provide extreme performance for extreme small silicon area, an Cpu with 5,2mm2 that can Process 4k 3.840 x 2.160p videocodec and will consume only 3 watts.
Don't fall into SONY BS. Nothing will be huge . The console is made to make money for no improvements at all. 30FPS games won't get 40FPS , because the CPU overclock is 3%, not 30%. You get just a little bit of RT improvement, that's all. Upgrading from PS4 makes sense though.
Ps5 is totally capable of making great looking games at 60fps. The problem is developers are implementing graphical shit no one notices at the expense of image quality and performance. Id rather have a last gen game with better image quality and 60fps then certain shadows being a certain way you have to look at to be like- o wow, that is more realistic. Get the image quality and performance right first- then focus on the other stuff.
Any game that struggles to hit 60fps is literally cpu bottleneck since it's the same cpu as the ps5 it's not going to change anything lmao even with the 10% boost mode only matches XSX cpu. If the PS5 Pro is so powerful.......why does it need an upscaller 🙈
Well, they really are only leaning it seems on the 45% uplift for the GPU in regular rasterization, so I'm assuming that is why PSSR is relevant in the Pro. It is kind of confusing to me, especially if the PS5 Pro has 50% more ROPS and TMUs. One can surmise that the clock speed of the PS5 Pro is reduced.
Sony pushes GPU compute over CPU performance. They also offload regular CPU tasks to dedicated hw, which PC does not. So let's stop using general use tech biases on specialized equipment.
@@ktrotter _"They also offload regular CPU tasks to dedicated hw, which PC does not. "_ That is all fine and good, it has been this way since at least 6th gen console hardware. However this doesn't change the fact that these CPUs, while certainly a large upgrade over last generation console CPUs, are pretty much less performant Ryzen 3600 CPUs. They have less cache, only 1/3 if memory serves correctly, and only 7 cores dedicated for gaming not to mention the considerably slower clock speeds. Yes consoles are specialized closed box hardware with a known spec, which should allow devs to target their designs and get the most out of them. Yet we can clearly see that even modest PC hardware has a considerably performance increase over these consoles. Just pair say a Ryzen 3700x and 6700XT together on PC and watch the difference in performance, especially when it comes to CPU demanding titles. 🤷♂
@@defeqel6537 It all depends on what that performance mode is cutting. Usually it is more than just resolution, it also removes RT from some quality modes, which we know an hit CPUs pretty decently.
I'm just going to wait for the 1TB PS5 Pro Plus....the one with the slightly modified 7800x3D, RX 7900, and 32GB Ram....... For 999$ it's actually a good deal.... especially with the install other OS option.....
10:30 "physics have improved a lot" Ow yeah it is great. Hitman 2000 had rag dolls. Red Faction 2001 had destructible buildings and walls. Half Life 2 2004 had really cool physics objects and drive able vehicles. Crysis 2007 had trees that you could shoot down and whole buildings that could collapse because you threw a grenade in it. And these days! We get rag dolls, drive able vehicles and some objects that can move in a mostly static level. Man. You can really see that those 16 core cpus and $1000 gpus are put to work!
It already runs more @ 60 currently, so i could se a mere 10% being sufficient. I once again talked myself out of a PlayStation because I have been a x bot for quite sometime. For whatever the reason Sony always has the edge. I love Xbox and have a carbon s with 1440 p curved monitor and it is impressive. I will be in the market for this ps5 pro this time around.
With the modest CPU enhancement, and RT focus, don't expect to see many 30 to 60 fps enhancements. Resolution and RT will take priority, and the CPU will hold back 60 fps from being possible at all. Some people won't care, but others should adjust their expectations.
Exactly. If the 300 TOPs is there to primarily compute PSSR, then the very modest CPU upgrade will most likely keep any games with RT at 30fps. From what I understand RT is still rather CPU intensive and these aging, but still effective, Zen 2 CPUs are not the best and computing the parts of the RT pipeline that still lean heavily on the CPU.
@@nickxcore74 I'm the same. I'm a PC player, but my ideal pro model would have been a generational change in CPU architecture, and enough GPU increase to accommodate 60 FPS modes, without downgrading the base model's visuals. The PSSR will assist with that as well, for sure.
Nah the PS5 Pro GPU is only %45 faster. The CPU is exactly the same. The main gimmick is just better raytracing and PSSR upscaling being better than FSR but worse than Intel XES. Basically we are going from 2060 level raytracing to 2080 super. GPU is going from RX 6700 equivalent to RX 7700.
“Only 45% faster in rasterization”. That’s the biggest difference we’ve ever seen what more could you want? It’s like going from a 6900XT to a 7900XTX, do you think before you speak? Keep in mind it’s going to be much faster than a 7700XT, it has 10% more CUs, 33.3% more bandwidth(perhaps even more), and a very fast AI Accelerator along with a machine-learning based architecture that rivals nVIDIA. So it’s like going from a RX 6700 to a 7800 XT potentially.
@@kaankoksal1412 The thing is that people start comparing parts with PC parts and come up with an assumption without considering the other small things that Sony has developed that make all the parts the secret sauce.
@@Magnum-GamingNot only that, but A fixed hardware Target generally yields far more results from the same part on a PC when targeted specifically. Case in point, find me any CPU and GPU combo from the base PlayStation 4 era in a PC with a game even in the same league graphically as The Last of Us 2, Horizon: FW, Modern Warfare or GT7. No such game exists. In fact, I would argue that there is at least a generational leap in terms of visual Fidelity and complexity between those games and PC games set up with that old GPU and slow Jaguar CPU from 11 or 12 years ago. There is so much more to consider than just numbers on paper. That is only relevant when there is such a wide array of hardware targets and they're just aiming for somewhere in the middle . a person today with something older like a GTX 1060 will never know what their GPU is actually capable of, because no one is ever going to take the time to Target it specifically and squeeze everything they can out of it. it's one of the reasons I love console gaming , and I hope it doesn't get homogenized into PC gaming because then it's just another rat race for an ever increasing number of cu's, hardware accelerated features and clock speed while never even actually fully optimizing for the last one.
The real question is the price. If this is affordable, it will sell big. In terms of specs it will be the most powerfull console by a huge margin. Huge.
The problem is not the speed of the PS5. The problem is the poor selection of games on the PS5 and PSVR2. Sony should get their priorities straight. Where are the AAA PSVR2 games? Why would I upgrade to the PS5 Pro if there are no good games?
That's the point. We have not seen the full potential of PS5. Few titles shown some quality, but across the lineup is cross platform cross gen mediocrity. We don't need more powerful hardware to play samw bad games.
Yepp, instead of focusing on hardware, start investing in software, proper triple A games, or investing a way of turning normal games into vr like pc mods do.
I’m not convinced of that. Horizon: Zero Dawn ended up looking quite a bit better than I could have expected based on the early PS4 Pro spec sheet. I want to see how PSSR performs, too. We have no footage of what that looks like yet, just vague descriptions and speculation. The PS5 is starting from a far more balanced system than the PS4, too. The PS5 with a Ryzen CPU has far more room to scale up than the PS4 with the Jaguar CPU, which wasn’t even considered good in 2013. Badly optimized CPU hungry games like Dragon’s Dogma 2 doesn’t mean Insomniac or Guerrilla Games can’t squeeze quite a bit more out of the Pro in a properly optimized game.
@@AKSBSUYou right. But modern games are much more CPU intensive than the games from PS4 era, partly because of bigger and denser gaming worlds, partly because of RT implementations. Thus PS5 CPU is in pretty much the same state now, as PS4's one was in 2017.
Predictions are often colored by personal bias. We won't really know how the Pro performs until 6 months after it comes out and a game made with a PS5 Pro Mode comes out.
@@stangamer1151 It’s not in the same state, the 3700x is still a perfectly capable mid-range CPU nowadays whereas the Jaguar back then was never even considered mid-range even when it recently came out.
@@kaankoksal1412 Once you enable RT, 3700x performs the same way as Jaguar did in 2017. It can even dip below 30 fps in some games (HL, SWJS, DD2 etc.). Even 5700x already struggles and can not sustain 60 fps in quite a few games, unless you OC RAM and tune timings.
*I would imagine that popping a non-enhanced PS5 game version into the PS5 PRO will still give you lots of advantages. You will be able to stay closer to 60 fps at 4K natively, more often before needing to rely on FSR. Using FSR (on quality), you should stay at 60 fps at all times.*
Any GPU locked game would instantly get a boost. And since GPU bottlenecks represents 99.9999% of PS5 bottlenecks, I think everyone with a PS5 has games this will help with.
games with unlocked fps, and games with dynamic resolution will also benefit
@@VegasGasoline-mw9jj Even if the game is locked but is GPU bound, it can still drop... so it would get a boost too.
We hope so.
April is ALWAYS quiet. Then May is ridiculously busy with rumors and speculation about showcases
Already lots of rumors in April
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This is true. I'm taking them all with a grain of salt though.
We know the PRO is real, but likely won't get revealed until August or later & as it stands we don't know much about PS's upcoming games
The rampant speculation on Microsoft's summer showcase seems to be in line with already announced games and a possible Gears 6 tease (with just a release year).
April belongs to Stellar Blade(and early May).
I love your console leaks as a console peasant I salute you sir lol
Gears of War Ragnarok?? When did that game come out? Is Marcus Fenix fighting Kratos in this new game? Who is publishing it? Microsoft or Sony? Where is the game footage. I got to see this…. Lol
Gears of war Ragnarök ahahhahahaha You're the best, you make me laugh
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that would have been some fun Joint Venture Colab xDDDD
GTA 6 1080p60fps
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My wife found a 50" 4k HDR smart TV the other day in the trash house. Missing the cord and the remote. No problem. Fixed a cord and a BT remote app.
Then got me thinking. Who the heck throws out a 50" UHD tv?
Well... i guess who ever bought a 70" UHD tv. The TV was actually 8 years old so it was a lot older than i thought.
I already put money aside for the pro, can't help myself
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Unless Sony puts trophies, and day and date releases, I'm just buying a pro.
Games don't look that much better on PC anyway
@@B-U-T-C-H-E-R if I could run Iracing on PlayStation, id probably do it too. Haven't play Gran Turismo since PS2.. it looks great but I'm afraid to make the jump.
@@christophermullins7163 My PS5 has been absolutely excellent, I have had no issues, no regrets
@@christophermullins7163I don’t think you get it consoles will never be extinct people get consoles for a reason mainly for simplicity reasons cause not everyone is a nerd when it comes to pc parts it’s very easy just plug and play pcs more often then not have issues and can be very expensive
I like how Digital Foundry posed the GTA6 30fps-60 question by saying If the game is launched at 30 on consoles then the likelihood of PS5pro breaching the gap to 60 is very unlikely as GTA tends to be CPU-bound but they leave the possibility open to it being unlocked framerate or as You said Paul a 40 mode
Hope for a big boost for ps5pro VR games.... 🙏 (resident evil, grandtourismo, arazona sunshine, pavlov, etc..)
Boa boa boa 10% less blurry in performance mode
Glad this dispute about the pros 60fps is resolved
What we think the price will be?
600$ most likely while the base model will be 400-450$. Just my hunch.
Consoles are generally sold at a price for very low profit margins if not losses.
That's why Sony doesn't NEED to create another mid-gen console just like PS4 Pro.
Personally, I believe that Sony should invest in new I.P.s that can lead to merchandise / movies / shows.
If GTA VI can run 60 fps at 1440p & 120 fps at 1080p on PS5 Pro then I'm buying it.
Impressive to say is still same cpu has base ps5 the cpu needed a leap
How come they couldn’t push for 4ghz on the cpu? Is it because instability issues or high power draw?
Heat.
Nobody knows for certain, could be heat, could cause instability, or maybe just for forward compatibility, since the PS6 will need a higher clock than the PS5 versions to have backwards compatibility
Zen 2 CPUs are pretty hot, especially at higher clocks. And consoles use powerful APUs, which are much more power hungry than a mere CPU. Imagine how hot 3700x could be if it had built-in powerful iGPU. It would become a decent heater by itself. But with lower CPU clocks power consumption significantly reduces, thus it is much easier to dissipate it's heat.
@@stangamer1151 im rocking zen 2 and it doesn’t get very hot at all. Im on a air cooler too. I get it tho that an igpu with that kind of power will make it very hot
Mostly thermals and power. Consoles are designed to run quiet so they want to minimise the fan noise and PS5 uses a unique power management system so they most likely didn’t want to take the risk of redesign/retuning the power management system.
GTA 6 is gonna be 30fps. Come on, they always push everything to the max in a detailed world. Just look at red redemption 2. Keeping track of every little animal in the distance alone is very taxing
I'm honestly not even excited for GTA6.
@@fawkkyutuu8851 unfortunately millions of others are
Yeah look at what Rockstar accomplished with that dinosaur tech and those weak jaguar cores so imagine what rockstar is going to do with this more powerful hardware and tech compared to 2009/2010 tech 😅
So when are we getting a PS3 Pro then?😁🤘
So about Cell Broadband Engine being used on PS6, in 2025, 2 Nanometers litography will be the world wide mass production standart, so as PS6 is expected to be launched in november 2027, it will be absolutely zero doubt that Playstation 6 will be at least using 2nm lithography for all its silicon main chips, and here comes the Cell Part, an Cell Broadband Engine made at 2nm will have only 5,2 Square Milimeters, it will be extremely ridiculous small, it will be more than 5 Times Smaller than the Will U Cpu Die area of 27mm2, so the 2nm Cell will be 45x smaller than 90nm Original Cell B.E on PS3, 45x less power consumption, it would be nearly non detect with exception that its there, and will in first place be used to play PS3 Software like all PS3 games for example through Retro on PS6, and PS6 Gpu with 50 Teraflops or 100Teraflops due to 4Flops per core of Rdna 3 will enable easily easily 16k Native Resolution on PS3 Retro, 5,2mm2 Cell B.E on 2nm is Not Only an option its mandatory it's extremely cheap, and will provide extreme performance for extreme small silicon area, an Cpu with 5,2mm2 that can Process 4k 3.840 x 2.160p videocodec and will consume only 3 watts.
Maybe this stop-gap console is for Sony to test and develop their tech for PS6? Using AI for frame generation (their PSSR) and figuring out ray tracing? Maybe MS doesn't need to experiment with it because they have all the PC data from their Windows division.
In any case, I can't wait till we get leaks about the PS6 in two years.
Generational leaps FTW!
DirectSR probably
Isn't PSSR just for upscaling ("Super Resolution", and all)? IIRC the rumor is that games will just use FSR FG because it is good enough
Let's hypothetically assume that I have this "Gears of war: ragnarok" xd
PS5 Pro day one for me.
kratos vs bugs , nice game
Yes set in Egypt 😂
"You don't know GTA6 can't run at 60FPS on PS5/Pro" is like saying you you don't know you're not going to win the lottery. Sure, anything is technically possible, but if you have even a baseline understanding of the topic, then you do know... or the probably is so low that there's literally no meaningful difference.
Time for pc to know it's place and learn what real path tracing looks like
You just need to dedicate less time to the shot outs. Spending 30 seconds to a minute on a single shot out can get tedious. 10 seconds max, with a sound bite
RDNA3 RT trades blows with the 20 series I recall, still garbage so hopefully its more than alloouded. There's no way PS6 doesnt have alot more Machine learing and Hardware RT focus, That Generation should be alot more excitiing because we'll also get a nice CPU uplift again along a GPU and Ai upscaling/frame generation and machine learning. Stuff like this is what makes the PC GPU space alot more flexable on the Nvidia side with path tracing etc even on a older mid-gen GPU. I can already imagine the cool Tools Sony might make for developers to include into their games
I know i will be buying one!
Sony doesn't have the kind of library to expect these to sell well. Itll sell worse than the PS4 Pro due to how disappointing that system was. Sony needs to do something different here, and my suggestion would be to force devs to include an advanced settings menu in every trinity game, that allows gamers to adjust all graphical settings similar to PC games
You have no clue what you’re talking about, naughty dog has a new game, Wolverine will be coming then blockbuster Third party games like GTA 6, Max Payne 1/2 remakes alone are worth getting the pro. Then you still have millions on last gen who haven’t bought a Ps5 yet so yeah the PS5 pro is going to sell like hotcakes I think allot of you people don’t understand and use logic or common sense before you regurgitate what others are saying 😂
@@TheKing8608_ none of those games require a pro to play.
Saving cash for pro and gta 6
I expect to start using AI NOW so they figure out those PS6 specs
Ray tracing should not be a priority on current consoles. They're too cheap to have the hardware to do it while maintaining 60fps and 4K (or whatever high-ish resolution they're insisting on using.) Maybe in a gen or two that will be possible, but not yet. Also, 8K is pointless and should not be a priority for current consoles either. Just attempt to hit 60fps at native 4K, guys. Walk before you run. A 2024 new release like Dragon's Dogma 2 only running at 30fps is embarrassing.
8K isn't a priority on consoles, it's just the HDMI spec
@@defeqel6537 If you told me that Sony was asking developers to use 8K/30fps in their games, I would believe it.
DF said that PS5 pro can not do path trays
They are wrong. Path tracing can be done in any hardware. Use software too if you want. Use weak old hardware too if you want.
Path tracing is only impossible to be implemented if the amount of path tracing is more than the hardware capability to render enough fps for an enjoyable gameplay.
More path tracing means higher accuracy of lighting. Think it is like resolution. Higher resolution means more detail.
Of course the DF guys KNOW perfectly about this, it just that they might be thinking about the PS5 Pro going against the best RTX GPU that still can't do path tracing (at higher amount). In this case, they are ABSOLUTELY correct.
Also, the PS5 Pro probably have a new way to make path tracing cheaper to render. So much technique can be used to show mercy to the hardware by tricking our eyes.
I see you're a big fan of "DIGITAL FRAUDARY".UGH U FANBOIIZ 🤥 👈🏼 👀
As I understand it, path tracing is simply ray tracing with more bounces and is used for general illumination while ray tracing is more often associated with shadows and reflections. Since RDNA 2 fully support DX12 on PC, and DX12 supports path tracing, and the PS5 uses RDNA 2 (albeit not DX12), I assume it supports full ray tracing. But the performance is so poor it's not practical in most games. Will the reported 2-4 times improvement in ray tracing on the PS5 Pro be enough to make path tracing feasible? DF seemed dismissive of the whole idea.
How many games supports path tracing? So why would any gamers care about path tracing?
So you're a big fan of "DIGITAL FRAUDARY" I see.
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keep hearing it has alwaays online drm
lol no
Everything is online today. Good morning!
I don’t believe these claims, especially when it was reported that GTA6 won’t hit 60fps. I’ll be amazed if it allows games like Dragons Dogma 2 to run native 4K 60fps. We were promised much with the PS5 and Xbox Series X, but they’ve been quite disappointing at times. I’m not convinced that the small cpu performance increase is going to make that much difference, but I guess we’ll have to see what the PS5 Pro actually delivers.
To be fair, a lot of games do manage to hit 60fps on PS5. Something the previous ps4s could not do as often. Also regarding GTA6, it’s just baseless rumors as this point on how it’ll run. Wait until the game comes out first before coming conclusions.
Reported by who?
All we had so far from anyone in R* team, a message that was later on deleted, from one of the developers that they are optimistic about 60 FPS.... and thats it
Considering only a few games this gen, most of them due to poor optimization (that includes Dragons Dogma 2), are running at 30 FPS .... that says a lot.
The PS5 Pro isn't promising native 4K. PSSR is supposed to offer a better 4K image through AI upscaling.
1440p at 60fps is fine only 4% of PC players use 4K.
It’s the SAME story over n over n over n over 😩don’t these tech RUclipsrs can give something new for a change?
What topic would you the most like to see being covered?
1st
Am I the only person who thinks ray tracing is over hyped. I have a 4090 and that feature is the first thing I disable.
You're certainly not the only one, but what are you doing spending $1600+ on a GPU if you're just going to play games at medium settings?
No for me ray tracing makes a lot of games look worse.
It's a Nvidia scam, along with all their fluid dynamic demos. 30fps on the latest hardware, that they specialise in, for a "look at me".
Okay
depends on the games , old games do benefit of a ray tracing mod or patch like the witcher 3 , that game looks amazing with RT on
Would preorder the PS5Pro if I could
You could buy 4 PS5 Pro for the price of just one RTX 5090! That’s how much Nvidia will gouge you.
Ray tracing up till now, always overrated.
FPS boosts, always welcome.
A game hasn't impressed me with it's physics since Hyrophobia on the Xbox 360/PS3/PC
- Waverace 64 (most dynamic organic feeling water/jetski movement ever).
- Goldeneye 007 (impressively diverse AI gunshot reactions to each body part especially in 1997).
- GTA3 (fun sensitive driving with very random unexpected accident prone results both player and AI).
- Burnout 3 (glorious "Crash Mode" car smashing into traffic mayhem ).
Only recent modern game physics that sort of Impressed me were Days Gone and maybe Soulslike ragdoll physics ,
I'm probably forgetting alot games though.
@@OwtDaftUK oh do tell us more
If I didn’t have a ps5, I would just wait for the pro. For my money, its not worth it to upgrade for so little games that will take advantage of it
Um pretty much every game from this point on will fully utilize the PRO last gen is finally getting cut loose so yeah don’t know what that’s supposed to mean 😅
So about Cell Broadband Engine being used on PS6, in 2025, 2 Nanometers litography will be the world wide mass production standart, so as PS6 is expected to be launched in november 2027, it will be absolutely zero doubt that Playstation 6 will be at least using 2nm lithography for all its silicon main chips, and here comes the Cell Part, an Cell Broadband Engine made at 2nm will have only 5,2 Square Milimeters, it will be extremely ridiculous small, it will be more than 5 Times Smaller than the Will U Cpu Die area of 27mm2, so the 2nm Cell will be 45x smaller than 90nm Original Cell B.E on PS3, 45x less power consumption, it would be nearly non detect with exception that its there, and will in first place be used to play PS3 Software like all PS3 games for example through Retro on PS6, and PS6 Gpu with 50 Teraflops or 100Teraflops due to 4Flops per core of Rdna 3 will enable easily easily 16k Native Resolution on PS3 Retro, 5,2mm2 Cell B.E on 2nm is Not Only an option its mandatory it's extremely cheap, and will provide extreme performance for extreme small silicon area, an Cpu with 5,2mm2 that can Process 4k 3.840 x 2.160p videocodec and will consume only 3 watts.
Don't fall into SONY BS. Nothing will be huge . The console is made to make money for no improvements at all. 30FPS games won't get 40FPS , because the CPU overclock is 3%, not 30%. You get just a little bit of RT improvement, that's all. Upgrading from PS4 makes sense though.
"not juse A.I. for better NPCs / behaviour" => that could already be big!
Pretty much any game with a 40fps fidelity mode will run at 60fps. Especially with option to unlock framerate.
I think that psvr2 will have the most improvement from ps5Pro
Interesting hoddie you have there Paul. Easter egg?
Instead of adding ray tracing concentrate on 4k 60fps
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Ps5 is totally capable of making great looking games at 60fps. The problem is developers are implementing graphical shit no one notices at the expense of image quality and performance. Id rather have a last gen game with better image quality and 60fps then certain shadows being a certain way you have to look at to be like- o wow, that is more realistic. Get the image quality and performance right first- then focus on the other stuff.
I agree
Any game that struggles to hit 60fps is literally cpu bottleneck since it's the same cpu as the ps5 it's not going to change anything lmao even with the 10% boost mode only matches XSX cpu. If the PS5 Pro is so powerful.......why does it need an upscaller 🙈
Well, they really are only leaning it seems on the 45% uplift for the GPU in regular rasterization, so I'm assuming that is why PSSR is relevant in the Pro. It is kind of confusing to me, especially if the PS5 Pro has 50% more ROPS and TMUs. One can surmise that the clock speed of the PS5 Pro is reduced.
Sony pushes GPU compute over CPU performance. They also offload regular CPU tasks to dedicated hw, which PC does not. So let's stop using general use tech biases on specialized equipment.
a lot of games have performance modes that basically just reduce resolution, ie. are GPU bottlenecked, not CPU
@@ktrotter _"They also offload regular CPU tasks to dedicated hw, which PC does not. "_
That is all fine and good, it has been this way since at least 6th gen console hardware. However this doesn't change the fact that these CPUs, while certainly a large upgrade over last generation console CPUs, are pretty much less performant Ryzen 3600 CPUs. They have less cache, only 1/3 if memory serves correctly, and only 7 cores dedicated for gaming not to mention the considerably slower clock speeds.
Yes consoles are specialized closed box hardware with a known spec, which should allow devs to target their designs and get the most out of them. Yet we can clearly see that even modest PC hardware has a considerably performance increase over these consoles.
Just pair say a Ryzen 3700x and 6700XT together on PC and watch the difference in performance, especially when it comes to CPU demanding titles. 🤷♂
@@defeqel6537 It all depends on what that performance mode is cutting. Usually it is more than just resolution, it also removes RT from some quality modes, which we know an hit CPUs pretty decently.
Stupid idea the middle gen upgrade, just lauch PS6 with RDNA5+ZEN5/6 by Nov 2026 and keep the 4 year crossgen games.
Your spending $800 bare minimum for specs like that on a console.
The PS6 isn’t coming till 2028/2029 so yeah this will hold us good for the next 4 years or so
I want GTA6 to run at 15fps frames on PS5, thats how I'll know they really created someting next-gen for the PS6 generation, jk jk
I'm just going to wait for the 1TB PS5 Pro Plus....the one with the slightly modified 7800x3D, RX 7900, and 32GB Ram....... For 999$ it's actually a good deal.... especially with the install other OS option.....
10:30 "physics have improved a lot"
Ow yeah it is great. Hitman 2000 had rag dolls. Red Faction 2001 had destructible buildings and walls. Half Life 2 2004 had really cool physics objects and drive able vehicles. Crysis 2007 had trees that you could shoot down and whole buildings that could collapse because you threw a grenade in it.
And these days! We get rag dolls, drive able vehicles and some objects that can move in a mostly static level. Man. You can really see that those 16 core cpus and $1000 gpus are put to work!
It already runs more @ 60 currently, so i could se a mere 10% being sufficient. I once again talked myself out of a PlayStation because I have been a x bot for quite sometime. For whatever the reason Sony always has the edge. I love Xbox and have a carbon s with 1440 p curved monitor and it is impressive. I will be in the market for this ps5 pro this time around.
Hard pass on the ps5 pro. Although gears of war Ragnarok officially game of the year when it comes out!
Looking forward to it 🔥 You have an Amazing day to Paul 🤙🏾
With the modest CPU enhancement, and RT focus, don't expect to see many 30 to 60 fps enhancements. Resolution and RT will take priority, and the CPU will hold back 60 fps from being possible at all. Some people won't care, but others should adjust their expectations.
Agreed. I would prefer a FPS increase rather than Ray tracing, but each to their own.
Exactly. If the 300 TOPs is there to primarily compute PSSR, then the very modest CPU upgrade will most likely keep any games with RT at 30fps. From what I understand RT is still rather CPU intensive and these aging, but still effective, Zen 2 CPUs are not the best and computing the parts of the RT pipeline that still lean heavily on the CPU.
@@nickxcore74 I'm the same. I'm a PC player, but my ideal pro model would have been a generational change in CPU architecture, and enough GPU increase to accommodate 60 FPS modes, without downgrading the base model's visuals. The PSSR will assist with that as well, for sure.
@@TheCgOrion Wouldn't a "generational change in CPU architecture" imply a PS6?
There are only 2 or 3 games running at 30 fps on PS5. CPU upgrade is not necessary at all
Nah the PS5 Pro GPU is only %45 faster. The CPU is exactly the same. The main gimmick is just better raytracing and PSSR upscaling being better than FSR but worse than Intel XES. Basically we are going from 2060 level raytracing to 2080 super. GPU is going from RX 6700 equivalent to RX 7700.
“Only 45% faster in rasterization”. That’s the biggest difference we’ve ever seen what more could you want? It’s like going from a 6900XT to a 7900XTX, do you think before you speak?
Keep in mind it’s going to be much faster than a 7700XT, it has 10% more CUs, 33.3% more bandwidth(perhaps even more), and a very fast AI Accelerator along with a machine-learning based architecture that rivals nVIDIA. So it’s like going from a RX 6700 to a 7800 XT potentially.
@@kaankoksal1412 The thing is that people start comparing parts with PC parts and come up with an assumption without considering the other small things that Sony has developed that make all the parts the secret sauce.
@@Magnum-GamingNot only that, but A fixed hardware Target generally yields far more results from the same part on a PC when targeted specifically. Case in point, find me any CPU and GPU combo from the base PlayStation 4 era in a PC with a game even in the same league graphically as The Last of Us 2, Horizon: FW, Modern Warfare or GT7.
No such game exists. In fact, I would argue that there is at least a generational leap in terms of visual Fidelity and complexity between those games and PC games set up with that old GPU and slow Jaguar CPU from 11 or 12 years ago.
There is so much more to consider than just numbers on paper. That is only relevant when there is such a wide array of hardware targets and they're just aiming for somewhere in the middle . a person today with something older like a GTX 1060 will never know what their GPU is actually capable of, because no one is ever going to take the time to Target it specifically and squeeze everything they can out of it. it's one of the reasons I love console gaming , and I hope it doesn't get homogenized into PC gaming because then it's just another rat race for an ever increasing number of cu's, hardware accelerated features and clock speed while never even actually fully optimizing for the last one.
Cant wait to see Gears of war Ragnarok then😂
“Gears of War Ragnarock”. 😂👌
The real question is the price. If this is affordable, it will sell big. In terms of specs it will be the most powerfull console by a huge margin. Huge.
$550 - $599.
That would be a good price.
I haven't heard anyone say if the PS5 pro is more powerful than the Xbox series X
The Series X isn't much more powerful than a base PS5 hence why there's nothing between them in their game outputs
Will PS5 come down in price when the pro comes out?
Yep
The problem is not the speed of the PS5. The problem is the poor selection of games on the PS5 and PSVR2. Sony should get their priorities straight. Where are the AAA PSVR2 games? Why would I upgrade to the PS5 Pro if there are no good games?
That's the point. We have not seen the full potential of PS5. Few titles shown some quality, but across the lineup is cross platform cross gen mediocrity. We don't need more powerful hardware to play samw bad games.
Yepp, instead of focusing on hardware, start investing in software, proper triple A games, or investing a way of turning normal games into vr like pc mods do.
I agree with PS VR2 but i have my game calendar full up to next year maybe so there are plenty of great games
@RedGamingTech don't you think the 10% bump in the cpu performance is too small for cpu bound scenarios/achieving 60fps when it comes to ps5 pro?
I’m not convinced of that. Horizon: Zero Dawn ended up looking quite a bit better than I could have expected based on the early PS4 Pro spec sheet. I want to see how PSSR performs, too. We have no footage of what that looks like yet, just vague descriptions and speculation.
The PS5 is starting from a far more balanced system than the PS4, too. The PS5 with a Ryzen CPU has far more room to scale up than the PS4 with the Jaguar CPU, which wasn’t even considered good in 2013. Badly optimized CPU hungry games like Dragon’s Dogma 2 doesn’t mean Insomniac or Guerrilla Games can’t squeeze quite a bit more out of the Pro in a properly optimized game.
@@AKSBSUYou right. But modern games are much more CPU intensive than the games from PS4 era, partly because of bigger and denser gaming worlds, partly because of RT implementations.
Thus PS5 CPU is in pretty much the same state now, as PS4's one was in 2017.
Predictions are often colored by personal bias. We won't really know how the Pro performs until 6 months after it comes out and a game made with a PS5 Pro Mode comes out.
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It’s not in the same state, the 3700x is still a perfectly capable mid-range CPU nowadays whereas the Jaguar back then was never even considered mid-range even when it recently came out.
@@kaankoksal1412 Once you enable RT, 3700x performs the same way as Jaguar did in 2017. It can even dip below 30 fps in some games (HL, SWJS, DD2 etc.).
Even 5700x already struggles and can not sustain 60 fps in quite a few games, unless you OC RAM and tune timings.
Is sonys secret sauce or ketchup at work here ? Just asking.
PSSR is worth the price of the PS5 Pro. How many games with support it? & it will give DLSS a run for its money.
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