olivia died after being possessed by the house which means she’s going to be in that state of mind for the rest of eternity. that is not who she truly was but what it turned her into. her story is honestly one of the saddest because her love for her children and her want to protect them is what the house used to kill her and (one of) them.
Similarly, Olivia could have been suffering from Schizophrenia. As someone who's very close to schizophrenia patients, Olivier was very similar to the ones with extreme types of schizophrenia. An example is that she believes (in the show the house makes her believe this but irl) that this life is a dream & that she just needs to wake up. Hallucinations (which she saw the most in the show) is another example. A slightly less obvious example is her constant migraines. Due to stress/traumatic/biological reasons, she suffered from constant migraines similar to schizophrenic patients.
I feel like that’s one of the saddest parts of the show. The real Olivia, who she really was, was dying slowly, but she had a moment right before she died, where she “woke up” to reality after finding Abigail and realizing what she has done. She died thinking that was the way to wake up from this nightmare she’d been living on and off through for weeks, instead she woke up stuck in a dream like state, alone for eternity. Until she tried summoning everyone back to the house.
@@jaafernajeeb1444 she could have had it if not for the fact the show heavily drove home that it was the house possessing her (and Nell towards the end) and Olivia and the rest of the kids (except Steve) had sixth sense abilities. I think Shirley Jackson’s book makes mental illness a true possibility at explaining what could have took place in that house. In the novel, you’re left asking yourself ‘is it super natural or mental illness?’ But unlike the show, Shirley Jackson’s novel leaves that up to the reader to decide. Mike Flannagan (the Netflix adaptation) does the opposite and very clearly shows you it’s the house doing everything and not “mental illness” like Steve wanted to believe for so many years.
No one was at the house to save Nelly from her dream so she died, but she was there to rescue all her siblings from the red room. It parallels the storm episode where she tells them that she's been there the whole time and no one sees her. She is always coming to the others rescue but no one is there to support or save her. Also they hint at the red room the whole way through, when ever someone would talk about where a character was that person would ask what room that is. like, "I didn't know mom had a reading room." or "what game room?"
@@amyamesburg4657 Also much earlier like in episode 2, when Liv is looking for Luke and Steve says "did you check his tree house?" and Liv just says "very funny" and leaves the kitchen, then Steve tells Luke that "Mom always checks every room and every closet looking for Luke, I wonder why she's never checked the tree house?"
Her mom's ghost was there, just like she was for her siblings. Only difference is Nellie wanted to save her family, and her mom wanted to keep them with her forever.
Fun/sad fact: The scene at the end, where they celebrate Luke's sobriety... the creator was planning on putting the red door behind them, implying that everything was in their head and that they never actually left Hill House after going back... BUT he changed his mind because he thought it would fuck us up emotionally... AND HE IS NOT WRONG😂
I still can’t get over the fact that I never noticed the same rectangular window in Olivia’s reading room, Theo’s dance room, Luke’s tree house, etc. It was right in my face, they didn’t even hide it.
I used to think that way but if you really think about it for Luke was a treehouse and they a to use a ladder to get there it really don't make any sense.. also they always are talking about the red room door being locked like wtf does room moves to different places in the house why they don't notice they were entering the red room? Sorry if something doesn't make sense I am bad at english I speak spanish
@@michmm3910 Based on the fact that the people in the house can hallucinate so strongly that Liv can believe it's the middle of the night in the day - then the way I interpret it is them getting to their respective Red Room is a blurry memory - not quite sure how they got there and the others often reference not knowing about eachothers rooms 'I didn't know Mom had a Reading Room' and so on. In reality they're probably entering the Red Room through other entrances without even realizing.
EVERY GODDAMN TIME. No matter what, I’ll be crying when Steve and his wife (I forget her name soz queen) are getting back together and then when Mr Dudley has mrs Dudley I die
@@cloudymind6511 it's because she died... and then immediately afterwards we get a flashback to when they first move in.. and it's just sad- like "u guys go on without me" and then "how could we" is even sadder bc she's dead
@@miranda13c Agreed! I read somewhere that her professors at the school she went to for acting told her that they thought she might not be cut out for acting, and that maybe she should try directing instead. So glad she didn't listen - she's incredible!
I think it's more utter confusion than that. Remember she may be a ghost now but it hasn't made he Buddha, she's still got a childs experience and she doesn't understand what just happened to her, let alone that Olivia did it to her.
omg SOMEONE ELSE FINALLY CAUGHT NELLIE'S "DON'T" AND "GO" THING! also, i adore the fact that theo, who avoids touching people OR asking for help whenever she can, had to be the one to reach out and grab nellie's hand
I have watched this show like 12 million times and I DIDN'T REALIZE the "don't" and "go" thing until she said something. This show has so much to it it's amazing!
Just so you know, when Luke was walking in the street he mentioned while on the phone, that he was stiff and cold, right before he found out Neil was dead.
@@JackJackIsBackBack because the house keeps them there as spirits/ghosts, which is definitely not heaven. They chose to stay in the house with their kids over whatever the afterlife actually was.
@@JackJackIsBackBack they were religious the whole series, especially Mrs. Dudley, and i can only assume they imagined that when they died they would go to heaven. the Dudleys gave up heaven to stay in that house for eternity so they could be with their girls.
Well I wouldn't say that they gave up their belief, they just wanted to stay with their child so they decided to "passover" with their spirit just to stay in the house forever.
I just realised.. At 1:18, after mom told dad that she wants to remain like this forever, with her twins all cuddled up to her, dad took young Luke away [saved by dad at the final episode along with his siblings] and carried him whilst Nelly stayed on her shoulder, meaning Luke survived and Nelly, unfortunately, did not.. all because of mom unable to let her go.
It was one of my favorite tricks they did in the show. Never truly knowing whether she was real or imaginary until it’s confirmed. Same with nell and the bent neck lady when they keep giving hints from when she died like Luke rubbing his neck and saying it hurt. You assume it has something to do with the BNL until you find out the truth
@@dasiasaur True....whenever I'm re-watching now or showing it to my friends/family, I'm like dude they have so many clues its so clear that she's the bent neck lady but still no one gets it in the first watch 😅😂😂
@@angelashinner my first thought is wikipedia isn’t a reliable source lol- but in all seriousness, i think none of the crains believed luke because parents just love belittling their children as always. also when the crain parents “let abigail slept over” they’re kinda like “ehh he’s just playing, it’s his ✨imagination✨”
2:23 also the reason the mom is mostly always seen in nightwear, that are all gorgeous, is symbolic that she lives in a dream state- she's never really in clothing aside from gorgeous robes and nightgowns, symbolizing she only really exists in her dream mind which is shown through these episodes most. the beauty of the nightwear symbolizes that she "belongs" there or that it is her "best" state, which would represent Poppy's view of her and her desire to make Olivia stay forever in this state of mind. if it was sloppy night clothes it wouldn't be seen as good or normal but because they almost look like evening gowns or actual dresses it kind of represents the idea that her "best/idyllic" state, or what she's destined to be, is stuck in her dream world. the fact that the final nightgown she's in is white and looks like a wedding dress symbolizes that her dying was her attempt to purify things and make herself wake up and get better but in reality shows she's wedded forever with her insanity.
At this point. I don't know whether I am dumb or people are super smart! So many theories and symbolisms in one show. God! Feel like writing a research paper on this show.
@@satarupagingerkolay paha you’re not dumb it’s just a perk of being a film geek/ media student who has no life and watches shows like this about 5 times 😂 but yeah honestly this show is so well done and has so much subtle symbolism and meaning in every scene !
@@gettin-ziggy-with-it 😂😂😂😂 I am an English Major and I could only pic up certain symbolisms from only a few scenes. Thanks for this info. It truly was helpful and made me cry more.
@@satarupagingerkolay haha glad i could help! 😂 there’s so many things i loved that they did, like making all the kids have subtle psychic abilities that all represent the five senses, or even in this video where the dad takes luke and Olivia doesn’t notice is a big metaphor. idk this show is just so amazing with the meaning they put into literally everything lol i just love it
@@gettin-ziggy-with-it I am wondering how long this must have taken for the writers to write and connect the dotes. I would love to just sit and watch them write it.
the last scene with the Dudleys, when she dies, it's BRUTAL. always makes me cry, the way he carries her as fast as he can so that she can die in the property :((((
I hate that instead of deciding to go to heaven (with their christian beliefs cause they were religious) the decided to be a part of the house forever 💀
@@angelashinner I think that's beautiful, they decided that heaven was being with their children forever. No paradise could beat that in their eyes I guess
@@millsrome Idk there could be a lot of opinions. Like are those really their children? Is the house just luring people into killing themselves in that house? And also if u read the book it kinda doesn’t clearly let u know if people are really seeing ghosts there or the people there are just all mentally ill and are delusional. The book kinda leaves it to the reader to decide. but the series is def from someone’s point of view who believed they are seeing ghosts fr
People often give Olivia so much shit, but seem to forget the simple fact that she was sensitive, just like her children. The house got to her so much that she barely understood what she was doing, becoming so desperate to protect her children and delusioned by Poppys' tricks that she believed that killing them (Waking them up from their nightmares, as promised) was the only way. I consider her plot extremely tragic, not only in contrast to her family, but her as well. She is not evil in any way, just driven into madness, stuck in Hill Houses' belly forever... Just like every other ghost. I'm also very fascinated by the stories of the others ghosts that are barely touched and still there are so many clues. F.e. Mr. Hill actually being Mr. Dudleys illegitimate father (And Mr. Hill burying himself alive since he couldn't deal with the guilt and shame (The sisters) of betraying Poppy in the process.), Poppy and Mr. Hills sister (forgot her name) who would have a feud over who would carry on the family buisiness, in the process most likely killing their children (Wheelchair kid which most likely was the burned corpse in the celler Luke found himself in). So many details and so many speculations... Love this show to bits.
@@daceshiet When the Dad and Mr. Dudley were talking about Liv needing to take a break Mr Dudley talked about his mother. That's where it is heavily implied.
I think that one of the scariest parts of the show for me was learning that mom really did want to kill all of her kids, even after she died. Usually in stories like this, the mom gets possessed or manipulated, and then after she's died or done something horrible, she comes back to herself and realizes why she was wrong. So the whole show, any time one of the kids saw mom I always thought it was the house using her image to lure the kids in. But nope, it was actually mom. Even after she died, she still thought she was right and wanted to kill her children to keep them safe because of the way the house manipulated her. The change in trope was both scary and incredibly sad.
Yes, even at the very end, when the dad says goodbye to Steve and turns to hug Olivia and Nelly, you can see Olivia's eyes over his shoulder, staring at Steve like she's still angry she has to settle for just two of them.
It wasn't the real mom, Poppy didn't only manipulated her, I saw a comment that gave a really good explanation. It's like the mother was dying slowly, in the end, she wasn't there anymore, it was just the manipulation, the "evil"/Poppy
Okay, I HATE Poppy Hill so much but her actress does an INCREDIBLE job. Her lines are delivered so well and she commands the whole room in every scene that she's in
@@ajiteshmishra2611 She feels the truth. And it did happen because we literally saw it in the show. If it /didn’t/ happen then why would they show us, through Theo touching her mother, exactly what she looked like when she died? The way the mother looked when she fell off the stairs.? Remember when Theo ripped her hand away, shut her eyes and start crying? Why would she shut her eyes if ehe couldn’t see?
I genuinely can’t believe that so many people thought the ending was lackluster because it’s so beautiful and emotional and meaningful and sad and perfect 🥺
As someone who had lost someone recently, watching the ending of this I SOBBED and couldn’t stop thinking about it. The ending was perfect for the story they were telling, and the dialogue and performances of the actors was... yeah it deserves all the awards for that.
And horror movies and tv shows often don't have an ending at all??? And i hate this part tbh. Hill House is for SURE one of my favorite tv shows. Its not just horror, it's a great drama and excelent writing
@@lauratroy13 well wr haven't seen a lot of rooms other than different forms of red room .... Like upstairs we only have Nellie and Luke's room , Theo's room, Shirley's room, Stevens room, Mom and dad's room and the one room with that old sick lady that no one sleeps in like the one with that pipe phone thingy... So actually a really understandable number of rooms for a mansion that big on the upper floor
It still bugs me how, instead of focussing on Dad and the hug like Nellie did, Mom kept staring at Steve like it still wasn't enough and she wanted all of them there.....
And if you would notice, Nellie's hug to her father wasn't happy either.. It felt like, she wishes that he wasn't a part of it, that he could be with her brothers and sisters but he is home - with them.
The mom’s spirit is more corrupt than the others I think because before she died Poppy convinced her that it was a dream and drove her insane.. so she’s like a physical embodiment of the house trying to finish it’s meal
Notice that when the mom is possessed by the house, she’s wearing red, but when she is normal, she wears other colours. I’ve been sitting on that observation for a while
Less possessed and more acting in the houses best interests rather than anyone elses. Like a madman sitting by your ear constantly whispering his madness night by night until you can't even remember which way is up let alone tell the difference when you see it. Poppy is just like the worst elements of the house personified. You have to wonder if the house was always that way before Poppy, or if her madness coming back to the house with her (also insane) husband William caused an irrevocable change toward the worst for the house.
Wait- I’m so dumb I can’t figure out why that’s wrong. She wasn’t a ghost the whole time?? WAIT SO OLIVIA ACTUALLY KILLED ABIGAIL! Did the dudleys press chargers? Isnt she their daughter. I’m lost😭
@@analea6430 no, they made a deal w hugh (the dad) to keep the house so that they can go visit her because they had already lost their other child, but at least with the house, they can visit abigail’s spirit and then no one would find out what olivia did to abigail since no one even knew abigail existed.
the director said that he wanted to put the red room’s window in the background of the recovery scene to make it seem like another trick of the house, but he found it too cruel...but if you look closely the painting behind luke looks like the window
I'm SO glad, for ONCE, a director saw the opportunity to see a show off with the most cruel ending possible, making all the pain and the struggle and character development worthless in the process... and then really thought about it and said "actually, 🤔 hmm... NO. That's NOT the best ending, just because it's sadder doesn't mean it's better, it doesn't fit better, it doesn't tie everything up better. You know what? I think some sort of hopeful ending is more realistic." Wow. Refreshing. His mind. Rewarding viewers for getting involved instead of sadistically punishing them? Revolutionary. The school of writers inspired by Game of Thrones could never.
@@evanshadow2680 yeah canonically they did, even if the theory that they're still in the red room is a perfectly valid one, and done on purpose. At the last moment, the director thought it was too cruel, and replaced the window in the background for a painting precisely to make it *not* the red room, while the red of the cake still suggests that possibility. Like the director, I chose the interpretation that they are alive and well.
Everyone saying she should watch Bly/Euphoria, ignoring the fact that she’s saying she’s gonna take time off cause she’s going through a lot right now. Love you Ash! Stay Strong 😭😭💗
If it helps, the show purposefully made you believe she was a ghost, so it was a twist that she was real, so you aren't dumb. But also, I have never cried harder than when the Mr. Dudley was carrying his wife back to the house. I don't know why but it BROKE ME.
awww :( I feel you girl. My mom passed away suddenly a year ago at age 42 because of an asthma attack...she could’ve survived but the ambulance came 20 minutes too late. This show came to me at the perfect timing too and i cried soooo hard. (especially at haunting of bly manor). But I swear even though this is a horror genre, it will forever be the best thing I watched during grieving.
i know it’s beyond heartbreaking to lose a mother but just know you’ll get through this pain. it’ll never go away but find solace in the thought of her memory & that every step/move you make is because of her no matter the circumstance. take care! 🤍
wow, my mom passed away last year (november, 2020) and the ambulance came 20 minutes late too. So, I feel you a lot. I feel Ash a lot, we're all together in this!!!!
The looks on Nell and Olivia’s faces as they embrace Hugh in the red room sent me chills. Nell looks destroyed seeing the house take her father, but Liv stares at Steven knowing that she’s lost her children again
this honestly makes the show scarier since it leaves a sense of mystery in it. also, the last scene of luke's recovery has a cake the same color as the red room, which makes us wonder if they ever got out. we also never got to know why they had powers. as much as i want those questions answered, i really love how the director left it like that.
That's not what I saw in Olivia. I saw malevolence - not love. I saw the house staring out of her eyes, willing Steve to stay. She's been there too long and she was already lost to it even before she died.
@@julietteferrars7739 "we also never got to know why they had powers" It was explicitly stated when Olivia gifted Theo with gloves that Olivia's mother had some sort of sight, so it is in her family. Beyond that the house itself is displaced in time - more so than anywhere else in the red room where events on one side were displaced in time from the other, this is the part that really f**ks with my head. I think that even the Cranes had limited abilities but time in the house changed them as they were linked to it through first Olivia and then Nell too.
@@mnomadvfx I never thought of it that way but that’s a really good observation. Come to think of it, I remember in Haunting of Bly Manor is the discussion about love and possession.
The director originally wanted to end the series by showing them celebrating Lukes 2 year sobriety, but showing the little window the red room has in the background, to imply they never left. Thank god he decided that, that was too cruel 😂😂
1:22 just to explain, her not realizing the dad took luke is symbolic for her not being able to stop the world taking her children from her. the fact that she didn't realize he was taken until he was already in the dads arms is a metaphor for her not realizing her kids are being taken or slipping away until its too late which kinda sets up the theme for the episode
@@p88d7 it doesn't have to be a religious thing. All your memories with the person are still there, they still have a place by your heart. If you ever remember them and smile they are not gone, they're with you. And like Nellie says, time is like confetti, not a line. Someone doesn't stop existing the second they pass away, they return to us in memories like falling confetti. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, and I wish you forever good health and courage in trying times ❤️
@@p88d7 Jonna left such a beautiful comment 🤍 I’d like to add that it doesn’t come back to religion, so no worries about that. I lost my sister in May, and though she is gone physically, I still have her with me every day. Once you love or care for someone, I believe that a piece of them attaches itself to you and never frays. Like Jonna mentioned, it comes down to the memories and feelings they left you with. I hope you find clarity and healing, I do. If you really allow yourself to accept it, you may catch a glimpse of something they left just for you to see, or hear something they played just for you. Take care xx
ok but is no one gonna point out how ironic it was for ash to say "there are so many rooms in this house" JUST AS liv went into her "reading room" aka the red room
As someone else who isn’t a huge fan of Steve or Shirley, I gotta say that the more I rewatch the show, the more they grow on me. I think Steve especially was one who I had to let grow on me cause I was so determined to not like him. But having the see his mom basically unravel in front of his eyes... he’s frustrating but that moment in the car with dad when he says “I just miss my mom” breaks me every time. Cause he really is just this boy who never really healed and never really grew right up til the end of the show. And that’s so tragic. And then Shirley too. I could talk about these two for ages and they definitely aren’t even my favorite characters lol. You rewatch it, and you just realize what a freaking tragedy this family’s lives are, and that doesn’t absolve any of them of any wrongdoing, but you certainly can understand their motivations better.
I hated them at first too. But then I remember that Steve is the only one who watched their mother unravel like that. He never saw anything blatantly supernatural and their father never told them anything so of course he tries to rationalize everything as mental illness. Everybody does shitty things on this show and we excuse them so I don't think Steve should be an exception.
They also are the eldest and thus feel more responsible towards the rest of the family. Steve had to step up into a role he didn’t understand and resented his father for it, among everything else. Like you said, among the kids he was the only one who actually saw their mom lose it. He also knew more about the details of the case and wondered if his dad was involved. It’s easy to blame Steve and dad and Shirley, but honestly, they did the best with what they had. And Steve may be a jerk sometimes, but he was always there for them.
Yes I actually get kinda upset with people hating on him because i guess I always understood his situation so well. He was old enough to remember his mother and then watch her unravel. I think there is even a line in the show at some point where they even say that Luke and Nell don't even remember much about their mother. He was just trying to be like his dad because as a kid you obviously look up to your parents but because of the fucking HERD od children Hugh and Olivia had lol he also had to step into somewhat of a parenting role as well so him dismissing their ghost stories was him doing exactly what their father did "Big boys can tell the difference between what is real and imaginary". Literally Steve interracting with his younger siblings is just him trying to be their dad and that's a hard thing to do when you are a child yourself and then when he is older it still affects him because believe it or not when you are forced to grow up at a young age, it can cause some fuckshit in your brain. He was never able to have the childhood he deserved. That all the kids deserved. And you can clearly see in the scene where the tall ghost is staring at steve and steve is looking at his dad that steve 1/2
in that moment is just a scared kid looking to his father for guidance. And then the scene where he looks at Nelly in the casket and he loses it is so heartbreaking because he feels like he failed her and then later he lashes out at his dad partially because he was the example for steve and since steve feels like he failed Nelly he by extension feels that it is also the dad's fault. I don't know I just have a lot of feelings about steve and I feel like people are way too harsh on him.
Someone mentioned this somewhere else, but you said you loved all of Livs robes - the more the house got to her, the more regal and Gothic she dressed, she dressed normally when they first moved in, tank tops and Jean shorts. I can't stop thinking about that now.
The Crain kids each represent one of the 5 stages of dying: Steve- denial Shirley- anger Theo- bargaining Luke- depression Nellie- acceptance And their respective stage correlates with the order they were born 🤯
This is the most common theory but i honestly don't think it's true. Yes every character kid has a very particular coping mechanism but the series points to different things: Steve is actually the one that represent bagaining more than every other character, he does a lot of "what ifs" he's obsessed with the idea of what could have been done differently. But denial is good too in this case: the night his mom died Dad told him to not open his eyes, and since then Steve has been obsessed with the truth but never wanted to really see it. Shirley is the most clear, she tries to fix death and whatever it's hard to see, and when something can't be fixed she just just masks it, she cover up everything that is hard to see: mistakes, fragility, weaknesses. She does it to other people but she does it mostly to herself. Her main liberation act is to be compassionate to herself and to others. We saw the mask in the kittens episode and also in the last episode when she takes off her face in the red room nightmare. Theo is building walls, actually theo is the one that doesn't do bargaining at all. She just focus on what can be done now, she just tired of thinking of the past she doesn't wanna ear all that stuff, she really doesn't have "what ifs" moment. Her mainly way to cope is to make herself more numb as possible (also with alcohol), to protect her emotional sensitivity. Her lesson is to understand that feeling pain is better than feeling nothing. And that walls may not let pain in, but they also don't let in love. Luke is dissociation from reality. He's scared and nobody believes in him, so there's non sense to live reality. What he has to realize is that he has value and he has to find courage because the people in his life need him, like his friends joey and like Nell needed him, and ultimately all of his siblings left. Nell can actually represent depression and acceptence. Depression: she was haunted by the image of her suicide. She didn't felt seen, she carried her pain alone. Acceptence is the afterdeath version of herself💖
Not trusting the Dad wasn’t entirely Ash’s fault. When you think about it, the episodes are shown from the kids individual perspectives. And after the night their mum died, none of them really saw their Dad the same again. Hints the sprinkle of mistrust throughout the episodes
Yeah but not all of them showed mistrust or equal hatred towards Hugh. Nelly always trusted n believed her dad even when she grew up n couldn't remember the details cuz she was they when it happened. Luke was there but couldn't remember as well as Nelly n he was intoxicated most of the time as an adulthood so he couldn't really reflect on his trauma as well as his sister. He's angry at his dad sure but more for not believing him at first than blaming him for what happened to their mum. Theo was distant from everyone cuz she was the most sensitive like her mum but she's also shown to still be fair n civil with Hugh n only kept most of her opinions to herself because she didn't want to confront anyone like Steve or Shirley. Even then, Shirley's gripes we're mostly with Steven for writing the book than their dad. Even if she did have resentment towards him, she didn't really show it as much Steven on the other hand, was the only one that openly went out of the way to confront Hugh n blame for putting stories into their head because he was the only one that was in denial with the least traumatic experience, which was why he found it hard to sympathetize with the rest of his family.
@@syrusangi8743 I wouldn't say least traumatic experience. You can't really compare the effects of traumas on individuals (especially children) because everyone responds differently. I think that he had better coping mechanisms than the majority of his siblings and was able to block out what happened that summer. He looked for the logical instead of the fantastical, which was probably in relation to his age and the bits of madness he saw his mother displaying towards the end. I think anyone his age would have difficulty in believing in ghosts and poisonous homes when they can blame it on mental illness with some evidence to back it up. It is clearly shown that what happened deeply affected him considering he got a vasectomy and did his best to distance himself from Hill House. Tbf, I think Shirley likely resented their father for abandoning them; they just chose not to focus on that, but you can see she's not really that happy to see him. Theo only talked with him because there was no one else around at that point. Nell was the only one on regular speaking terms, but that's because she was the one living with the memories of that night as opposed to Luke who abused drugs to escape.
Dad really deserves better. He did what he did until the end to protect them yet they still treated him like a trash. Even after they went out from the red room they didn't even take a notice of their dad which was truly heartbreaking😔💔
i took it as her coming back to her senses after what the house did to her mentally and wanting to see her son at least one more time being truly her. but that's possible too :( olivia seemed to be a good mother and a genuinely nice person before everything happened, so i want to believe that at the end she was herself with her husband and daughter.
She definitely wanted all of them to stay there and be a family but she made the deal with Hugh and let them go. That doesn’t mean that she’s happy about it. 💀
The sad thing is that's exactly why they killed her character, she was the sweetest and went through so much the most out of the family and was haunted by herself for so many years, she just wanted her happy family back but she was taken so the rest of her siblings could live and mom could have her one favorite child, also she was in her mom's locket, that's why her and the mom were connected and mom was part of the house so Nellie became part of the house too. She knew mom needed someone and she could feel it that was one of the reasons why she went back. 😭
Thats the thing though that I understand about olivia and that breaks my heart, she loved her kids so much and yet her unconditional love was completely twisted and she was tormented and turned paranoid by an already existing predisposition for mental illness. She he saw her childrens death, and things others couldnt see since an early age and in turn the house preyed on this and her love was manipulated, turning it into a love based on fear and worry where her maternal instincts changed to a desperate and dark yearning, because she didnt want to lose her children to the fate she was shown. So, she saw death as safe and better than life and all of this ended up killing her AND her child she wanted to protect. It literally breaks my heart.
It all sounds insane until you experience generalized anxiety disorder. When I was a child, I was so worried about this sea bug triop thing I had not getting enough food and starving to death when we went for a few day vacation. No matter how much food I added I worried he'd just eat it all and rupture. I was mentally tormenting myself, spiraling for hours. This was years before I got diagnosed and treatment. Long story short I became entirely paranoid and convinced that my bug was gonna starve to death and suffer..that I killed it (humanely) to spare it the pain and death it was going to get anyway. I felt like an incredible piece of shit immediately after and to this day, but it's what mental illness can drive you down into if you don't get help. It can be sudden and ridiculous but to the person suffering, it's all so painfully, terrifyingly real.
One thing that isn’t talked about enough is the fact that the red room was FULL of toxic mould and that that is probably the reason Liv started to go crazy and the kids had those hallucinations
the mold in there makes sense too! bc its the stomach of the house and mold occurs during the breakdown of food. plus the mold was in the walls too so they were all being poisoned by it throughout the house, it was just more concentrated in the red room. the kids & mom were being exposed to more potent toxic mold whenever they were in their red room bc it was digesting them
@@sinthetic_ That and if you ask me the red room is not real, it's just the core of the family. The stomach, a family that was rotting from inside out since they were lil kids and finally when they are adults everything is covered in mold. But like Nell says, the red room was Theo's dance room, her play room, etc. It's not real, it's just that tiny space in our head where we let our thoughts consume us, like mom for example. Her schizophrenia (i think I read somewhere she has it) and mania, making her fear so much her kids to grow up to a cruel world that she tries to kill them and ends up killing herself because she couldn't cope, which ironically led them to her biggest fears becoming true about them. Nell's depression, Luke's addictions, etc.
it’s a balance. Blurred lines between reality (environment, mental illness, real issues) and paranormal. We’re never truly meant to know what’s real and what’s paranormal. You could watch this and say they all had genetic mental illness and mold poisining caused hallucinations and illness. Or, you could watch and say it’s 100% paranormal, hauntings, all the ghosts’ doings. Or you could watch and acknowledge both. It’s whatever the viewer needs it to be; Flanagan’s whole purpose 🤯 #mindblown
Honestly watching the mothers descent into insanity was really sad and really creepy. The house is so evil. Also baby nell protecting Luke makes me cry everytime
I just realized, when Olivia's arm fell asleep and Luke was taken from her arm, it was representing how if she let them stay in a "sleep" like State, they would be taken away from her without her knowledge.
Also Luke was the one taken from one of her arms rather than Nellie. Which just be unintentional but it could also symbolize how Nellie was the one child who was left with her.
What do you mean follow up because it might have the same cast but they are very different and Victoria plays a lesbian(I am not sure of her initial sexuality) and has an accent.
Do y'all know what follow up means in this thread? It doesn't specifically refer to sequels taking place in the same universe following the same characters. It can just as easily refer to a spiritual successor or even just the next thing by the same creator. Bly Manor and Hill House are in the same series, by the same creators with the same cast. Bly is as much of a follow up as it gets.
The crazy thing is that bc the mom tries to save the twins from what they describe in the episode, her actions were the reason that they experienced them. This show makes my head hurt no matter how many times I watch it
Nellie’s speech to her siblings always makes me cry like a baby. Especially having lost someone and regretting not calling them enough and them saying “you did enough.” I just. It’s so nice.
The episode about the mom was chefs kiss. Because we were wanting SO bad to understand what she saw and why she was becoming that way, the way they just opened the flood gates on her episode it was just so much emotion and sadness intertwined in her story. I felt the most for the mom I swear💔
Liv and Nellie's faces there at the end when Dad goes to them in the Red Room 😭😭😭 Nellie looks so sad, like she's suffering, knowing that her dad died for their family, he gave up the rest of his life to make sure that everyone's deaths wouldn't be in vain. And Liv, the Liv that the house perverted... She glares at Steve.
Rightttt?! All the other ghosts were whatever to me but the way she’d manipulate Liv IRRITATED MY DAMN SOUL!!! Even the lil old lady ghost tried to warn Liv !
@@marvel096 ik it’d be so interesting! if you’ve watched bly manor episode eight (i think it was) or the black and white episode, they basically give a backstory to the ghosts and it was rlly cool. it could be similar w black and white coloring and poetic narration (perhaps done by steve coz he’s a writer)? but yeah like they could do so much with those ghosts
One of my favorite things about the fashion is it gets more vintage as time goes on. So the first scene where they enter the house, Liv is wearing contemporary, fashionable clothing, but as time passes, she wears more antique robes in rich colors, symbolizing her being taken over by the house.
Both the last scene of episode 9 and "I love you completely and you loved me the same..." get me every time. But dad saying "I was so lucky to be your dad" makes me bawl, EVERY time.
I'm so proud of you for continuing this series while you were going through such a tough moment in your personal life. You didn't need to do that to please us, so thank you. I know you don't know us, but we are here for you. We love you and your content and we are so thankful for whatever you upload. We love you, people who cry are strong people and I wish you and your family love, light and an easy healing process
Hill House and Bly Manor have probably been the most delicately created shows ever and I can’t explain how much they’ve changed the way I perceive literally everything.
thank u ash for feeling comfortable enough to tell us what u have been going through, and I just want to say thank u for even in such a hard time it was for you making us feel happy and giving us a glimmer of hope in our life’s weather that was on this channel or any of your other ones. So thank u, we love u and will always be here for you ❤️
I hope you also give The Haunting of Bly Manor a chance when you feel like it. You have to be a little bit patient with that one tho, because it takes its time, it has more dialogue than jump scares and it's slower, but it's a good one too. If Hill House made you feel the feelings about loss and all, Bly Manor hits harder, so take the time off you need, but I think you'll probably connect with that one too. I hope you are feeling better
oh man bly manor hits so hard at the end, like, i couldn't talk to my friends for days because i felt like the way that show hit me, they'd never understand and i was like, weird for a few days like, damn, flanagan really did that
the scene where the hands are all over theo is so heartbreaking to me, i see it as she finally felt what her mom felt. but i also see it as a manifestation of what she was afraid of. she was so scared of all those hands touching her and seeing what they felt.
theory: when Shirley's hubby says that he would know the truth upon dying(in the hallucination), he was in a way, right, because the house knew about Luke's future addiction, and haunted Nell with her own self and Luke, being able to see into the future and past.
YESSS❗ ALSO about Shirley, the house predicted or maybe even voluntarily triggered her future coping mechanism that she developed after her mom's funeral. In the second episode while Shirley takes photograph around the house, the house make her find the needy kittens and the mask! That's like the house is saying: "here you are, you're gonna try to fix death and you'll fail, so cover it up and just put a mask on everything that is hard to see, including youself." So I definitely agree that the house knew it all.
I love how the ending is bittersweet. Like, Nell, The Dad, and Mom are all together in death, but they are in the red room meaning the house ate them, and the other ghosts are are people that the house ate. At least the rest of the family is still alive though.
Also, it's clear that Steve took more after his dad and wasnt empathetic like his siblings. But I feel like after all the stuff with the house it fully unlocked his ability to see ghosts. I actually think he saw ghosts around the house but they looked so reall that he didnt notice. But now he can see AND feel that they're there.
The scene on the last night when Hugh is carrying Steve out of the house and says "No matter what you see, keep your eyes closed" always sticks out to me. I think Steve always saw the ghosts like everyone else, but he kept his eyes closed. He convinced himself it wasn't real up until the very end, when he was forced to open his eyes and admit they were actually there.
olivia died after being possessed by the house which means she’s going to be in that state of mind for the rest of eternity. that is not who she truly was but what it turned her into. her story is honestly one of the saddest because her love for her children and her want to protect them is what the house used to kill her and (one of) them.
Similarly, Olivia could have been suffering from Schizophrenia. As someone who's very close to schizophrenia patients, Olivier was very similar to the ones with extreme types of schizophrenia. An example is that she believes (in the show the house makes her believe this but irl) that this life is a dream & that she just needs to wake up. Hallucinations (which she saw the most in the show) is another example. A slightly less obvious example is her constant migraines. Due to stress/traumatic/biological reasons, she suffered from constant migraines similar to schizophrenic patients.
Olivia*
I feel like that’s one of the saddest parts of the show. The real Olivia, who she really was, was dying slowly, but she had a moment right before she died, where she “woke up” to reality after finding Abigail and realizing what she has done. She died thinking that was the way to wake up from this nightmare she’d been living on and off through for weeks, instead she woke up stuck in a dream like state, alone for eternity. Until she tried summoning everyone back to the house.
@@jaafernajeeb1444 she could have had it if not for the fact the show heavily drove home that it was the house possessing her (and Nell towards the end) and Olivia and the rest of the kids (except Steve) had sixth sense abilities. I think Shirley Jackson’s book makes mental illness a true possibility at explaining what could have took place in that house. In the novel, you’re left asking yourself ‘is it super natural or mental illness?’ But unlike the show, Shirley Jackson’s novel leaves that up to the reader to decide. Mike Flannagan (the Netflix adaptation) does the opposite and very clearly shows you it’s the house doing everything and not “mental illness” like Steve wanted to believe for so many years.
@@winterwilliams3618 What are you talking about? What type of sixth sense did the kids have that Steve didn’t?
Did you notice at the end when they're celebrating Luke being clean for 2 years that there's 7 people including Luke. 7 keeps him safe.
Not me about to friggin cry!! 😩
omg yes yes im crying
Gemminy Cricket The comment I needed to love Luke even more. _Thank you_
The way we are all crying (☞ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)☞
Omg I’m crying I never noticed that
No one was at the house to save Nelly from her dream so she died, but she was there to rescue all her siblings from the red room. It parallels the storm episode where she tells them that she's been there the whole time and no one sees her. She is always coming to the others rescue but no one is there to support or save her.
Also they hint at the red room the whole way through, when ever someone would talk about where a character was that person would ask what room that is. like, "I didn't know mom had a reading room." or "what game room?"
holy.shit
“I never made you kids a treehouse we were going to be there nine months tops why would I make a treehouse”
@@amyamesburg4657 Also much earlier like in episode 2, when Liv is looking for Luke and Steve says "did you check his tree house?" and Liv just says "very funny" and leaves the kitchen, then Steve tells Luke that "Mom always checks every room and every closet looking for Luke, I wonder why she's never checked the tree house?"
Her mom's ghost was there, just like she was for her siblings. Only difference is Nellie wanted to save her family, and her mom wanted to keep them with her forever.
Yeah, in like episode 4 or something I realized, what the hell is up with this skinny ass window??
Fun/sad fact: The scene at the end, where they celebrate Luke's sobriety... the creator was planning on putting the red door behind them, implying that everything was in their head and that they never actually left Hill House after going back... BUT he changed his mind because he thought it would fuck us up emotionally... AND HE IS NOT WRONG😂
holy shit that would be fucked upppp
not the door, the window
oh wow
Thank God he didn't
The red cake is still meant to hint to it at the end but he took the single window out of the background
I still can’t get over the fact that I never noticed the same rectangular window in Olivia’s reading room, Theo’s dance room, Luke’s tree house, etc. It was right in my face, they didn’t even hide it.
ITS CALLED GOOD SET DESIGN BABEY
I used to think that way but if you really think about it for Luke was a treehouse and they a to use a ladder to get there it really don't make any sense.. also they always are talking about the red room door being locked like wtf does room moves to different places in the house why they don't notice they were entering the red room?
Sorry if something doesn't make sense I am bad at english I speak spanish
@@michmm3910 they dont know its the red room bc it changes its appearance and moves around them
Also the door to Luke's tree house was painted red! You see when Steve climbs up
@@michmm3910 Based on the fact that the people in the house can hallucinate so strongly that Liv can believe it's the middle of the night in the day - then the way I interpret it is them getting to their respective Red Room is a blurry memory - not quite sure how they got there and the others often reference not knowing about eachothers rooms 'I didn't know Mom had a Reading Room' and so on.
In reality they're probably entering the Red Room through other entrances without even realizing.
The scene of Mr. Dudley desperately carrying his wife to the house so that she can die there gets me all teared up every single time.
i've watched this show countless times and here i am still SNOTTY NOSED AND CRYING because of that damn scene oh my god
EVERY GODDAMN TIME. No matter what, I’ll be crying when Steve and his wife (I forget her name soz queen) are getting back together and then when Mr Dudley has mrs Dudley I die
@@petrafriedchicken his wife is named Leigh (Lee)
@@ecas4315 oh right :(
on the first watch i was already crying, but this scene made me full body sob. shaking and crying
"you guys go on without me"
"how could we?"
**SOBBING**
that makes me ugly cry all the time
@@callmek5 same ;-;
I don’t get it maybe I’m just slow is it because they left her during the storm
@@cloudymind6511 it's because she died... and then immediately afterwards we get a flashback to when they first move in.. and it's just sad- like "u guys go on without me" and then "how could we" is even sadder bc she's dead
Same
the “the rest is confetti” line always HURTS ME
Crying rn
it really does
Same 😫
After Bly Manor even more now knowing that’s what Hannah was about to say
I am in the grieving process and that line HEALS me.
“i loved you completely and u loved me the same. the rest is confetti.” NELLIE GIRL I AM SOBBING
i cry everytime, including when I hear it in this video
I KNOW HER MONOLOGUE MAKES ME SOB
Victoria is so talented 🥺 the fact that this was her first major acting role is just incredible
@@miranda13c Agreed! I read somewhere that her professors at the school she went to for acting told her that they thought she might not be cut out for acting, and that maybe she should try directing instead. So glad she didn't listen - she's incredible!
Nell is the best character. She saves everyone always.
But no one saves her😢
@@hopester6720 this some Tumblr 2016 shit
@@priya8855 lmaoo 💀💀
@@priya8855 FR LMAOOOOO
I can't unsee her being bad since 'You' XD
I wonder if she’ll do “The Haunting of Bly Manor”.
@@rumina8529 i think the person just asked in general whether she’d do Bly Manor not straight after this
Bruh she's gonna get whiplash from Luke's actor in Bly Manor 😂😂😂
@@andyshere she definitely is gonna be like WTF
@@andyshere I watched the haunting of Bly before hill house and did not have this problem thankfully lol
Victoria is an amazing actress
Abigail really stood in tht doorway after the mom killed her like
"🧍🏼♀️ 👁👄👁..➖👄➖...👁👄👁.....and you did this for what?"
why did I laugh IT'S TRAGIC lol
Hahahahaha omg
I think it's more utter confusion than that.
Remember she may be a ghost now but it hasn't made he Buddha, she's still got a childs experience and she doesn't understand what just happened to her, let alone that Olivia did it to her.
LMAO
omg SOMEONE ELSE FINALLY CAUGHT NELLIE'S "DON'T" AND "GO" THING! also, i adore the fact that theo, who avoids touching people OR asking for help whenever she can, had to be the one to reach out and grab nellie's hand
wait stop omg !!!!!! I was wondering why theo was the only one who had to reach out to Nellie to be saved 🥺
I have watched this show like 12 million times and I DIDN'T REALIZE the "don't" and "go" thing until she said something. This show has so much to it it's amazing!
Maybe it’s also cause Nellie knows that theo doesn’t like being touched so she allowed Theo to touch her instead
Just so you know, when Luke was walking in the street he mentioned while on the phone, that he was stiff and cold, right before he found out Neil was dead.
So glad someone else caught that. I’ve been waiting a while for anyone to see it.
something my mom pointed out was the Dudleys gave up their religious belief of heaven to be with their children 😭
What do you mean they gave up their belief in heaven?
@@JackJackIsBackBack because the house keeps them there as spirits/ghosts, which is definitely not heaven. They chose to stay in the house with their kids over whatever the afterlife actually was.
@@JackJackIsBackBack they were religious the whole series, especially Mrs. Dudley, and i can only assume they imagined that when they died they would go to heaven. the Dudleys gave up heaven to stay in that house for eternity so they could be with their girls.
Damn, I was like "Did I made a comment in this video" LOL.
Well I wouldn't say that they gave up their belief, they just wanted to stay with their child so they decided to "passover" with their spirit just to stay in the house forever.
I just realised.. At 1:18, after mom told dad that she wants to remain like this forever, with her twins all cuddled up to her, dad took young Luke away [saved by dad at the final episode along with his siblings] and carried him whilst Nelly stayed on her shoulder, meaning Luke survived and Nelly, unfortunately, did not.. all because of mom unable to let her go.
oh oh no oh my god
Omg
Daamnnn .. 🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹
"There was no indication she was a real person"
Luke, the entire fucking show: SHE'S REEEEAAAAL
Smfh even we don't believe him
It was one of my favorite tricks they did in the show. Never truly knowing whether she was real or imaginary until it’s confirmed. Same with nell and the bent neck lady when they keep giving hints from when she died like Luke rubbing his neck and saying it hurt. You assume it has something to do with the BNL until you find out the truth
@@dasiasaur True....whenever I'm re-watching now or showing it to my friends/family, I'm like dude they have so many clues its so clear that she's the bent neck lady but still no one gets it in the first watch 😅😂😂
“They don’t believe me, no one ever believes me” 😭
i believed him the whole time
seriously did u have to say that last thing fr
"She's not a ghost?"
Well, she's about to be...
My exact thoughts😂😭
that's exactly what i said!!!!!
In the plot (available in Wikipedia) why did the parents insist that Abigail was just an imagination?
@@angelashinner my first thought is wikipedia isn’t a reliable source lol- but in all seriousness, i think none of the crains believed luke because parents just love belittling their children as always. also when the crain parents “let abigail slept over” they’re kinda like “ehh he’s just playing, it’s his ✨imagination✨”
that's what i said!
2:23 also the reason the mom is mostly always seen in nightwear, that are all gorgeous, is symbolic that she lives in a dream state- she's never really in clothing aside from gorgeous robes and nightgowns, symbolizing she only really exists in her dream mind which is shown through these episodes most. the beauty of the nightwear symbolizes that she "belongs" there or that it is her "best" state, which would represent Poppy's view of her and her desire to make Olivia stay forever in this state of mind. if it was sloppy night clothes it wouldn't be seen as good or normal but because they almost look like evening gowns or actual dresses it kind of represents the idea that her "best/idyllic" state, or what she's destined to be, is stuck in her dream world. the fact that the final nightgown she's in is white and looks like a wedding dress symbolizes that her dying was her attempt to purify things and make herself wake up and get better but in reality shows she's wedded forever with her insanity.
At this point. I don't know whether I am dumb or people are super smart! So many theories and symbolisms in one show. God! Feel like writing a research paper on this show.
@@satarupagingerkolay paha you’re not dumb it’s just a perk of being a film geek/ media student who has no life and watches shows like this about 5 times 😂 but yeah honestly this show is so well done and has so much subtle symbolism and meaning in every scene !
@@gettin-ziggy-with-it 😂😂😂😂 I am an English Major and I could only pic up certain symbolisms from only a few scenes. Thanks for this info. It truly was helpful and made me cry more.
@@satarupagingerkolay haha glad i could help! 😂 there’s so many things i loved that they did, like making all the kids have subtle psychic abilities that all represent the five senses, or even in this video where the dad takes luke and Olivia doesn’t notice is a big metaphor. idk this show is just so amazing with the meaning they put into literally everything lol i just love it
@@gettin-ziggy-with-it I am wondering how long this must have taken for the writers to write and connect the dotes. I would love to just sit and watch them write it.
the last scene with the Dudleys, when she dies, it's BRUTAL. always makes me cry, the way he carries her as fast as he can so that she can die in the property :((((
Cried watching it again in this video. Then cried again reading this comment. That scene BROKE me
I hate that instead of deciding to go to heaven (with their christian beliefs cause they were religious) the decided to be a part of the house forever 💀
@@angelashinner I think that's beautiful, they decided that heaven was being with their children forever. No paradise could beat that in their eyes I guess
@@millsrome Idk there could be a lot of opinions. Like are those really their children? Is the house just luring people into killing themselves in that house? And also if u read the book it kinda doesn’t clearly let u know if people are really seeing ghosts there or the people there are just all mentally ill and are delusional. The book kinda leaves it to the reader to decide. but the series is def from someone’s point of view who believed they are seeing ghosts fr
a cool thing about poppy’s monologue is that she doesn’t blink since the ghosts in the show always have their eyes open
NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS PIECE OF INFO
brain: 🚵💨
As an acting choice it also makes the viewer really uncomfortable her.
Omg it goes along with the narrative of Olivia that use death as a way to wake up from a nightmare... They litterally open their eyes forever 😳
Cuz they're all awake
@@perryabruz6846 i didn’t think of it like that, that’s so creative
I love how we all spend the entire show going "WHATS IN THE RED ROOM" when we were seeing it the entire time.
Okie okie but like more people need to talk about Ashleys editing cuz ✨yes✨
it makes the movies/series more funnier 💀
RIGHT UTS AMAZIN
She's so talented
@@dariusjerome_ omg yesssss thank you
HONESTLY, her editing is immaculate. Like it always makes it way funnier.
when Liv says "you guys go on without me" and Hugh says "how could we" WHEN I TELL YOU I SOB EVERY SINGLE TIME😭😭😭😭
i just saw that bit and burst into tears, idk if I even did that when watching the show...ummm imma say Ashley’s editing made me emotional.
@@beccareid4816 Definitely!
that and also Nellies speech at the end, i mean ugh the last two episodes always make me sob every time i watch
LITERALLY SAME
@@shamaramccarthy2357 I was crying the whole time during episode 5 and 6 and 9 and 10. I barely saw anything 😂💀 I still do 💀
People often give Olivia so much shit, but seem to forget the simple fact that she was sensitive, just like her children. The house got to her so much that she barely understood what she was doing, becoming so desperate to protect her children and delusioned by Poppys' tricks that she believed that killing them (Waking them up from their nightmares, as promised) was the only way. I consider her plot extremely tragic, not only in contrast to her family, but her as well. She is not evil in any way, just driven into madness, stuck in Hill Houses' belly forever... Just like every other ghost.
I'm also very fascinated by the stories of the others ghosts that are barely touched and still there are so many clues. F.e. Mr. Hill actually being Mr. Dudleys illegitimate father (And Mr. Hill burying himself alive since he couldn't deal with the guilt and shame (The sisters) of betraying Poppy in the process.), Poppy and Mr. Hills sister (forgot her name) who would have a feud over who would carry on the family buisiness, in the process most likely killing their children (Wheelchair kid which most likely was the burned corpse in the celler Luke found himself in). So many details and so many speculations... Love this show to bits.
Ive never correlated the boy and the guy in the basement
@@amyamesburg4657 yeah, I thought that was Hazel's husband?
I felt so sorry for her character. Just sad and empathetic. Plus Carla Gugino is seriously phenomenal.
Wait i couldn't rmr whr they mentioned Mr. Dudley being the illegitimate son of Mr. Hill
@@daceshiet When the Dad and Mr. Dudley were talking about Liv needing to take a break Mr Dudley talked about his mother. That's where it is heavily implied.
Pls do The Haunting Of Bly Manor next. SAME CAST, SAME FEEL, SAME EXCITEMENT!!!
Edit: She needs to watch it AFTER what she is going through!
Same emotional wreckage ✨
She must
^^^^^^
@@sophiaarndt5496 LMAO LITERALLY
omg yessss, i just finished it and I'm brokennnn
I think that one of the scariest parts of the show for me was learning that mom really did want to kill all of her kids, even after she died. Usually in stories like this, the mom gets possessed or manipulated, and then after she's died or done something horrible, she comes back to herself and realizes why she was wrong. So the whole show, any time one of the kids saw mom I always thought it was the house using her image to lure the kids in. But nope, it was actually mom. Even after she died, she still thought she was right and wanted to kill her children to keep them safe because of the way the house manipulated her. The change in trope was both scary and incredibly sad.
Yes, even at the very end, when the dad says goodbye to Steve and turns to hug Olivia and Nelly, you can see Olivia's eyes over his shoulder, staring at Steve like she's still angry she has to settle for just two of them.
It wasn't the real mom, Poppy didn't only manipulated her, I saw a comment that gave a really good explanation. It's like the mother was dying slowly, in the end, she wasn't there anymore, it was just the manipulation, the "evil"/Poppy
Okay, I HATE Poppy Hill so much but her actress does an INCREDIBLE job. Her lines are delivered so well and she commands the whole room in every scene that she's in
RIGHT?! I was utterly fascinated by the actress' delivery.
You should check out "Absentia." It's one of Mike Flanagan's early films where that actress plays the lead.
Why do you hate poppy hill?
@@lokid6833 uhhhh cause she manipulated mom to killing herself??
If you watch carefully, she never blinks either. It makes her delivery so much more chilling.
"you guys go on without me"
"how could we?"
GETS ME EVERY FUCKING TIME
That line has broken a lot of people
my eyes instantly start tearing up
Ash: "Y'all like my turtle neck?"
Me, out loud to my computer screen: "Girl, I love your turtle neck!"
Right turtle necks are sooo comfy
Me out loud: its cute!
@@williamelliott186 ikr . i have this pink turtle neck that i wear all the time . it looks just like hers
The fact that the BNL was present all of the time in the video and the topic about turtle neck comes in
@@terisss8433 because there sooooo comfy 😍👘
Remember when Theo got one of her first visions when the mom touched Theo’s arm and she looked all bloody? Theo saw how her mom looked when she died 🥺
Omg
But that shouldn't happen right? Theo could feel emotions but doesn't mean she could see the future
@@ajiteshmishra2611 She feels the truth. And it did happen because we literally saw it in the show. If it /didn’t/ happen then why would they show us, through Theo touching her mother, exactly what she looked like when she died? The way the mother looked when she fell off the stairs.? Remember when Theo ripped her hand away, shut her eyes and start crying? Why would she shut her eyes if ehe couldn’t see?
@@ajiteshmishra2611 I don’t think she saw the future essentially, remember when Nell said “Our moments fall around us like rain snow or confetti “
@@ajiteshmishra2611 Well from the bent-neck lady, we know that time doesn't exactly flow linearly, everything's foreshadowed
When dad said "I was lucky to be your dad" I cried.
my daddy issues said 'you will never hear that get fucked lol'
@@oliverrivers2888 same here, buddy..
I genuinely can’t believe that so many people thought the ending was lackluster because it’s so beautiful and emotional and meaningful and sad and perfect 🥺
@kosa wha same. I have never seen someone say something that about the ending lol
@kosa wha sadly they exist, my best friend hated the end. I have to force myself to forget that so we can still be friends XD
As someone who had lost someone recently, watching the ending of this I SOBBED and couldn’t stop thinking about it. The ending was perfect for the story they were telling, and the dialogue and performances of the actors was... yeah it deserves all the awards for that.
@@katandromeda17 sorry for your loss, ik it sucks to lose some you love :(
And horror movies and tv shows often don't have an ending at all??? And i hate this part tbh. Hill House is for SURE one of my favorite tv shows. Its not just horror, it's a great drama and excelent writing
You have a good eye. I've seen this show multiple times and never caught the "knocking on death's door" reference
Of course, with the whole addiction thing, it's like he was slowly calling for death to come
Ashley: " Theres so many rooms in this house"
.
Me knowing the truth : 👁️👄👁️
Even without the red room there are countless rooms
@@lauratroy13 well wr haven't seen a lot of rooms other than different forms of red room .... Like upstairs we only have Nellie and Luke's room , Theo's room, Shirley's room, Stevens room, Mom and dad's room and the one room with that old sick lady that no one sleeps in like the one with that pipe phone thingy... So actually a really understandable number of rooms for a mansion that big on the upper floor
It still bugs me how, instead of focussing on Dad and the hug like Nellie did, Mom kept staring at Steve like it still wasn't enough and she wanted all of them there.....
And if you would notice, Nellie's hug to her father wasn't happy either.. It felt like, she wishes that he wasn't a part of it, that he could be with her brothers and sisters but he is home - with them.
The mom’s spirit is more corrupt than the others I think because before she died Poppy convinced her that it was a dream and drove her insane.. so she’s like a physical embodiment of the house trying to finish it’s meal
Notice that when the mom is possessed by the house, she’s wearing red, but when she is normal, she wears other colours. I’ve been sitting on that observation for a while
Less possessed and more acting in the houses best interests rather than anyone elses.
Like a madman sitting by your ear constantly whispering his madness night by night until you can't even remember which way is up let alone tell the difference when you see it.
Poppy is just like the worst elements of the house personified.
You have to wonder if the house was always that way before Poppy, or if her madness coming back to the house with her (also insane) husband William caused an irrevocable change toward the worst for the house.
Ok thanks sick and twisted ............ AND I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE THAT IMPORTANT DETAIL????????? WTF 🤣?!
Me when I first saw Abigail drink the tea:
“Well at least she is a ghost so she can’t die.”
Yeah I’m dumb.
😂😂😂😂😂
Wait- I’m so dumb I can’t figure out why that’s wrong. She wasn’t a ghost the whole time?? WAIT SO OLIVIA ACTUALLY KILLED ABIGAIL! Did the dudleys press chargers? Isnt she their daughter. I’m lost😭
@@analea6430 no, they made a deal w hugh (the dad) to keep the house so that they can go visit her because they had already lost their other child, but at least with the house, they can visit abigail’s spirit and then no one would find out what olivia did to abigail since no one even knew abigail existed.
@@analea6430 btw, the no part was the answer the pressing charges question
@@carolinejordan9205 I didn’t get one thing. How did their first daughter die? And why doesn’t the house try to kill them?
god the words “I loved you, and you loved me the same. The rest is confetti” makes me cry every time 😭😭
the director said that he wanted to put the red room’s window in the background of the recovery scene to make it seem like another trick of the house, but he found it too cruel...but if you look closely the painting behind luke looks like the window
I kind of wanted them all to end up in the red room... not because I wanted them all dead but at least they could be together forever
I'm SO glad, for ONCE, a director saw the opportunity to see a show off with the most cruel ending possible, making all the pain and the struggle and character development worthless in the process... and then really thought about it and said "actually, 🤔 hmm... NO. That's NOT the best ending, just because it's sadder doesn't mean it's better, it doesn't fit better, it doesn't tie everything up better. You know what? I think some sort of hopeful ending is more realistic." Wow. Refreshing. His mind. Rewarding viewers for getting involved instead of sadistically punishing them? Revolutionary. The school of writers inspired by Game of Thrones could never.
@@agentwrench fun fact they never left ..
@@evanshadow2680 yeah canonically they did, even if the theory that they're still in the red room is a perfectly valid one, and done on purpose. At the last moment, the director thought it was too cruel, and replaced the window in the background for a painting precisely to make it *not* the red room, while the red of the cake still suggests that possibility. Like the director, I chose the interpretation that they are alive and well.
The actress who played nell actually jumped out early so the girls reaction were real
Actress of the generation me thinks,we stan!
When?? In the car?
when??
@@sevenbelledays7800 yes
Haha oh shit, really?
Everyone saying she should watch Bly/Euphoria, ignoring the fact that she’s saying she’s gonna take time off cause she’s going through a lot right now. Love you Ash! Stay Strong 😭😭💗
She has already reviewed Euphoria (loved her vidéos about it ☺). Anyhow I'm sending her all the support in the world during these hard times ❤
@@lisas900 I mean Euphoria Special Ep.
i mean she can watch after taking a break?? can we not leave suggestions for later?
and also I suggested Bly manor before I got to the end of the video
@@nothudanasir y’all really tryna defend yourself.. yikes.. like you can’t wait til after?
If it helps, the show purposefully made you believe she was a ghost, so it was a twist that she was real, so you aren't dumb. But also, I have never cried harder than when the Mr. Dudley was carrying his wife back to the house. I don't know why but it BROKE ME.
You have to watch Bly Manor.....(Victoria is also amazing in it.)
That emotional rollercoaster
VICTORIA PEDRETTI SUPREMACY YUP
omg yas please
Yeah if she thinks hill house is emotionally I’m still not emotionally over that ending
victoria is literally the best, ugh i love her sm
awww :( I feel you girl. My mom passed away suddenly a year ago at age 42 because of an asthma attack...she could’ve survived but the ambulance came 20 minutes too late. This show came to me at the perfect timing too and i cried soooo hard. (especially at haunting of bly manor). But I swear even though this is a horror genre, it will forever be the best thing I watched during grieving.
im so sorry for your loss. i have asthma too and luckily when i had an asthma attack the ambulance came on time. im sending my love
i know it’s beyond heartbreaking to lose a mother but just know you’ll get through this pain. it’ll never go away but find solace in the thought of her memory & that every step/move you make is because of her no matter the circumstance. take care! 🤍
I’m sorry for your loss. These attacks are serious. I’m so sorry.
I am so sorry for your loss
wow, my mom passed away last year (november, 2020) and the ambulance came 20 minutes late too. So, I feel you a lot. I feel Ash a lot, we're all together in this!!!!
The looks on Nell and Olivia’s faces as they embrace Hugh in the red room sent me chills. Nell looks destroyed seeing the house take her father, but Liv stares at Steven knowing that she’s lost her children again
this honestly makes the show scarier since it leaves a sense of mystery in it. also, the last scene of luke's recovery has a cake the same color as the red room, which makes us wonder if they ever got out. we also never got to know why they had powers. as much as i want those questions answered, i really love how the director left it like that.
That's not what I saw in Olivia.
I saw malevolence - not love.
I saw the house staring out of her eyes, willing Steve to stay.
She's been there too long and she was already lost to it even before she died.
@@julietteferrars7739 "we also never got to know why they had powers"
It was explicitly stated when Olivia gifted Theo with gloves that Olivia's mother had some sort of sight, so it is in her family.
Beyond that the house itself is displaced in time - more so than anywhere else in the red room where events on one side were displaced in time from the other, this is the part that really f**ks with my head.
I think that even the Cranes had limited abilities but time in the house changed them as they were linked to it through first Olivia and then Nell too.
@@mnomadvfx I never thought of it that way but that’s a really good observation. Come to think of it, I remember in Haunting of Bly Manor is the discussion about love and possession.
The director originally wanted to end the series by showing them celebrating Lukes 2 year sobriety, but showing the little window the red room has in the background, to imply they never left. Thank god he decided that, that was too cruel 😂😂
we all suing Mike Flannagan if that was the ending
I would absolutely hate Mike if he did that. The way he did us with Bly Manor is enough me thinks
I would have cried so hard if it ended the that
He’s on the same crack Ari Aster is on
Ngl that would've been creepy and cool at the same time rather than having a happy ending
THE ABIGAIL AND CLUE THING, BYEEEE
1:22 just to explain, her not realizing the dad took luke is symbolic for her not being able to stop the world taking her children from her. the fact that she didn't realize he was taken until he was already in the dads arms is a metaphor for her not realizing her kids are being taken or slipping away until its too late which kinda sets up the theme for the episode
and it makes sense that nell it's still on her arms
@@alanalino4554 yeah!! that’s sort of symbolic that Olivia was able to take nell and make her “wake up” but the dad got to luke in time to save him
@@alanalino4554 omg 😱 because she dead.................. That makes so much sense now cause the mom was only able to get Nellie
“There is no without.” I’m sorry for your loss, Ashley, but you are not without your grandfather. Dead doesn’t mean gone. Wishing you well xx
how come dead doesn't mean gone? I'm also dealing with grief and maybe its because I'm not religious but i don't understand that at all
@@p88d7 it doesn't have to be a religious thing. All your memories with the person are still there, they still have a place by your heart. If you ever remember them and smile they are not gone, they're with you. And like Nellie says, time is like confetti, not a line. Someone doesn't stop existing the second they pass away, they return to us in memories like falling confetti.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, and I wish you forever good health and courage in trying times ❤️
@@p88d7 Jonna left such a beautiful comment 🤍 I’d like to add that it doesn’t come back to religion, so no worries about that. I lost my sister in May, and though she is gone physically, I still have her with me every day. Once you love or care for someone, I believe that a piece of them attaches itself to you and never frays. Like Jonna mentioned, it comes down to the memories and feelings they left you with. I hope you find clarity and healing, I do. If you really allow yourself to accept it, you may catch a glimpse of something they left just for you to see, or hear something they played just for you. Take care xx
@@Jonniz2000 you made me cry but thank u so much and I hope you're doing well ♥️
@@dakotaperez9249 thank u so much I'm glad you're taking it so well you're very strong :)
There’s something about Victoria pedrettis characters that emotionally breaks me. Nellie. Dani and love Quinn😓
She is amazing at showing big emotional reactions: crying/laughing.
it's all in her eyes
omg no not Dani
dani 💔
omg dani im still not over the ending fr 😭🤚
"I loved you completely, and you loved me the same" is going to be a tattoo on me one day. Its so beautiful
not me crying at ash crying at the end😕we love u girlie. stay strong x
Yes same 😭
Same💗
Ash we really hope u r good ❤️❤️❤️
Same. The tears were there and I willed them not to fall but I sobbed anyway
bye same
Ash: “If dad dies i’m suing”
Me: “you’re foreshadowing”
LOL I said baby call ya lawyer
ok but is no one gonna point out how ironic it was for ash to say "there are so many rooms in this house" JUST AS liv went into her "reading room" aka the red room
AHHHHH LET’S GO
haiii Caitlin i love your vidsss
omgggg caitlin! my 2 favs interacting
Hi love all your videos
OMGGGGGGG I LOVE YOU TW
CAITLIN REPRESENTING ALL OF US, MUCH LOVE
As someone else who isn’t a huge fan of Steve or Shirley, I gotta say that the more I rewatch the show, the more they grow on me. I think Steve especially was one who I had to let grow on me cause I was so determined to not like him. But having the see his mom basically unravel in front of his eyes... he’s frustrating but that moment in the car with dad when he says “I just miss my mom” breaks me every time. Cause he really is just this boy who never really healed and never really grew right up til the end of the show. And that’s so tragic.
And then Shirley too. I could talk about these two for ages and they definitely aren’t even my favorite characters lol.
You rewatch it, and you just realize what a freaking tragedy this family’s lives are, and that doesn’t absolve any of them of any wrongdoing, but you certainly can understand their motivations better.
exactly!!!
I hated them at first too. But then I remember that Steve is the only one who watched their mother unravel like that. He never saw anything blatantly supernatural and their father never told them anything so of course he tries to rationalize everything as mental illness. Everybody does shitty things on this show and we excuse them so I don't think Steve should be an exception.
They also are the eldest and thus feel more responsible towards the rest of the family. Steve had to step up into a role he didn’t understand and resented his father for it, among everything else. Like you said, among the kids he was the only one who actually saw their mom lose it. He also knew more about the details of the case and wondered if his dad was involved. It’s easy to blame Steve and dad and Shirley, but honestly, they did the best with what they had. And Steve may be a jerk sometimes, but he was always there for them.
Yes I actually get kinda upset with people hating on him because i guess I always understood his situation so well. He was old enough to remember his mother and then watch her unravel. I think there is even a line in the show at some point where they even say that Luke and Nell don't even remember much about their mother. He was just trying to be like his dad because as a kid you obviously look up to your parents but because of the fucking HERD od children Hugh and Olivia had lol he also had to step into somewhat of a parenting role as well so him dismissing their ghost stories was him doing exactly what their father did "Big boys can tell the difference between what is real and imaginary". Literally Steve interracting with his younger siblings is just him trying to be their dad and that's a hard thing to do when you are a child yourself and then when he is older it still affects him because believe it or not when you are forced to grow up at a young age, it can cause some fuckshit in your brain. He was never able to have the childhood he deserved. That all the kids deserved. And you can clearly see in the scene where the tall ghost is staring at steve and steve is looking at his dad that steve 1/2
in that moment is just a scared kid looking to his father for guidance. And then the scene where he looks at Nelly in the casket and he loses it is so heartbreaking because he feels like he failed her and then later he lashes out at his dad partially because he was the example for steve and since steve feels like he failed Nelly he by extension feels that it is also the dad's fault. I don't know I just have a lot of feelings about steve and I feel like people are way too harsh on him.
Someone mentioned this somewhere else, but you said you loved all of Livs robes - the more the house got to her, the more regal and Gothic she dressed, she dressed normally when they first moved in, tank tops and Jean shorts. I can't stop thinking about that now.
The Crain kids each represent one of the 5 stages of dying:
Steve- denial
Shirley- anger
Theo- bargaining
Luke- depression
Nellie- acceptance
And their respective stage correlates with the order they were born 🤯
You mean grief but true
Yes and the first five episodes which were based around each sibling also carried this theme
This is the most common theory but i honestly don't think it's true. Yes every character kid has a very particular coping mechanism but the series points to different things:
Steve is actually the one that represent bagaining more than every other character, he does a lot of "what ifs" he's obsessed with the idea of what could have been done differently. But denial is good too in this case: the night his mom died Dad told him to not open his eyes, and since then Steve has been obsessed with the truth but never wanted to really see it.
Shirley is the most clear, she tries to fix death and whatever it's hard to see, and when something can't be fixed she just just masks it, she cover up everything that is hard to see: mistakes, fragility, weaknesses. She does it to other people but she does it mostly to herself. Her main liberation act is to be compassionate to herself and to others. We saw the mask in the kittens episode and also in the last episode when she takes off her face in the red room nightmare.
Theo is building walls, actually theo is the one that doesn't do bargaining at all. She just focus on what can be done now, she just tired of thinking of the past she doesn't wanna ear all that stuff, she really doesn't have "what ifs" moment. Her mainly way to cope is to make herself more numb as possible (also with alcohol), to protect her emotional sensitivity. Her lesson is to understand that feeling pain is better than feeling nothing. And that walls may not let pain in, but they also don't let in love.
Luke is dissociation from reality. He's scared and nobody believes in him, so there's non sense to live reality. What he has to realize is that he has value and he has to find courage because the people in his life need him, like his friends joey and like Nell needed him, and ultimately all of his siblings left.
Nell can actually represent depression and acceptence. Depression: she was haunted by the image of her suicide. She didn't felt seen, she carried her pain alone. Acceptence is the afterdeath version of herself💖
@Elliepopcorn No.
"I loved you completely. And you loved me the same; that's all. The rest is confetti."
I gotta go cry now, sorry
Not trusting the Dad wasn’t entirely Ash’s fault. When you think about it, the episodes are shown from the kids individual perspectives. And after the night their mum died, none of them really saw their Dad the same again. Hints the sprinkle of mistrust throughout the episodes
Yeah but not all of them showed mistrust or equal hatred towards Hugh. Nelly always trusted n believed her dad even when she grew up n couldn't remember the details cuz she was they when it happened.
Luke was there but couldn't remember as well as Nelly n he was intoxicated most of the time as an adulthood so he couldn't really reflect on his trauma as well as his sister. He's angry at his dad sure but more for not believing him at first than blaming him for what happened to their mum.
Theo was distant from everyone cuz she was the most sensitive like her mum but she's also shown to still be fair n civil with Hugh n only kept most of her opinions to herself because she didn't want to confront anyone like Steve or Shirley.
Even then, Shirley's gripes we're mostly with Steven for writing the book than their dad. Even if she did have resentment towards him, she didn't really show it as much
Steven on the other hand, was the only one that openly went out of the way to confront Hugh n blame for putting stories into their head because he was the only one that was in denial with the least traumatic experience, which was why he found it hard to sympathetize with the rest of his family.
@@syrusangi8743 I wouldn't say least traumatic experience. You can't really compare the effects of traumas on individuals (especially children) because everyone responds differently. I think that he had better coping mechanisms than the majority of his siblings and was able to block out what happened that summer. He looked for the logical instead of the fantastical, which was probably in relation to his age and the bits of madness he saw his mother displaying towards the end. I think anyone his age would have difficulty in believing in ghosts and poisonous homes when they can blame it on mental illness with some evidence to back it up. It is clearly shown that what happened deeply affected him considering he got a vasectomy and did his best to distance himself from Hill House. Tbf, I think Shirley likely resented their father for abandoning them; they just chose not to focus on that, but you can see she's not really that happy to see him. Theo only talked with him because there was no one else around at that point. Nell was the only one on regular speaking terms, but that's because she was the one living with the memories of that night as opposed to Luke who abused drugs to escape.
Dad really deserves better. He did what he did until the end to protect them yet they still treated him like a trash. Even after they went out from the red room they didn't even take a notice of their dad which was truly heartbreaking😔💔
I didn’t need to hear that 😭😭😭💀💀💀💀
BRO I'VE BEEN SAYING IT HOW IS IT JUST THE BIG BROTHER NOTICING THE DEAD BODYYY??? LIKE ARE Y'ALL BLIND??
lil nugget: when the dad hugs nell and mom in the red room, notice how mom still stares at steve. she still isn't happy that he gets to leave.
tbh I don't like mom :(
YESS !! nell is so happy and olivias whole focus was steve
yes!!!! The way she stares is honestly so haunting to me and it gives me chills every time
i took it as her coming back to her senses after what the house did to her mentally and wanting to see her son at least one more time being truly her. but that's possible too :( olivia seemed to be a good mother and a genuinely nice person before everything happened, so i want to believe that at the end she was herself with her husband and daughter.
She definitely wanted all of them to stay there and be a family but she made the deal with Hugh and let them go. That doesn’t mean that she’s happy about it. 💀
The fact that Ash didn’t realize that the mom didn’t get pushed but she willingly fell
My condolences, we’ll be here whenever you’re ready to come back.
_"I'll be alone again!"_
That line gets me Every. Single. Time.
Carla's delivery is amazing.
When she does the little gasp / sob it breaks me everytime
STOPP that scene breaks me, the gasp after it is as if shes scared to admit that and so terrified of the outcome of never seeing her kids again :(
Same
The part with Nellie is the saddest in my opinion. She’s the character that deserved so much better and she should’ve been saved.
The sad thing is that's exactly why they killed her character, she was the sweetest and went through so much the most out of the family and was haunted by herself for so many years, she just wanted her happy family back but she was taken so the rest of her siblings could live and mom could have her one favorite child, also she was in her mom's locket, that's why her and the mom were connected and mom was part of the house so Nellie became part of the house too. She knew mom needed someone and she could feel it that was one of the reasons why she went back. 😭
I made the mistake of drinking water when she said “free the nip” because I IMMEDIATELY shot it back out through my nose 😭😭
RIP lol
@@yves_lover1 I’m sending her the hospital bill as we speak 💀
@@taylorblue711 as you should 😂
Ashley’s speech at the end made me cry more than the show, stay strong we love you
Thats the thing though that I understand about olivia and that breaks my heart, she loved her kids so much and yet her unconditional love was completely twisted and she was tormented and turned paranoid by an already existing predisposition for mental illness. She he saw her childrens death, and things others couldnt see since an early age and in turn the house preyed on this and her love was manipulated, turning it into a love based on fear and worry where her maternal instincts changed to a desperate and dark yearning, because she didnt want to lose her children to the fate she was shown. So, she saw death as safe and better than life and all of this ended up killing her AND her child she wanted to protect. It literally breaks my heart.
It all sounds insane until you experience generalized anxiety disorder. When I was a child, I was so worried about this sea bug triop thing I had not getting enough food and starving to death when we went for a few day vacation. No matter how much food I added I worried he'd just eat it all and rupture. I was mentally tormenting myself, spiraling for hours. This was years before I got diagnosed and treatment. Long story short I became entirely paranoid and convinced that my bug was gonna starve to death and suffer..that I killed it (humanely) to spare it the pain and death it was going to get anyway. I felt like an incredible piece of shit immediately after and to this day, but it's what mental illness can drive you down into if you don't get help. It can be sudden and ridiculous but to the person suffering, it's all so painfully, terrifyingly real.
Every time Nelly says "I loved you completely, and you loved me the same. And the rest is CONFETTI" hurts my fucking soul and makes me cry so hard.
victoria Pedretti did NOT have to go in that hard. got me in my feelings
Same 😭
One thing that isn’t talked about enough is the fact that the red room was FULL of toxic mould and that that is probably the reason Liv started to go crazy and the kids had those hallucinations
the mold wasn’t the reason tho the mold was an excuse the house made to keep the family trapped there for longer!
@@lumiscince touché
the mold in there makes sense too! bc its the stomach of the house and mold occurs during the breakdown of food. plus the mold was in the walls too so they were all being poisoned by it throughout the house, it was just more concentrated in the red room. the kids & mom were being exposed to more potent toxic mold whenever they were in their red room bc it was digesting them
@@sinthetic_ That and if you ask me the red room is not real, it's just the core of the family. The stomach, a family that was rotting from inside out since they were lil kids and finally when they are adults everything is covered in mold. But like Nell says, the red room was Theo's dance room, her play room, etc. It's not real, it's just that tiny space in our head where we let our thoughts consume us, like mom for example. Her schizophrenia (i think I read somewhere she has it) and mania, making her fear so much her kids to grow up to a cruel world that she tries to kill them and ends up killing herself because she couldn't cope, which ironically led them to her biggest fears becoming true about them. Nell's depression, Luke's addictions, etc.
it’s a balance. Blurred lines between reality (environment, mental illness, real issues) and paranormal. We’re never truly meant to know what’s real and what’s paranormal. You could watch this and say they all had genetic mental illness and mold poisining caused hallucinations and illness. Or, you could watch and say it’s 100% paranormal, hauntings, all the ghosts’ doings. Or you could watch and acknowledge both. It’s whatever the viewer needs it to be; Flanagan’s whole purpose 🤯 #mindblown
Nell's final monologue makes me SOB whenever I watch it. It's written and preformed so beautifully
"I loved you completely, and you love me the same, that's all, the rest is confetti..." brb I'm crying, I had forgotten about that part
That’s one of my favorite lines from any show. Period. It makes cry i want to get it tattooed 😭
Honestly watching the mothers descent into insanity was really sad and really creepy. The house is so evil.
Also baby nell protecting Luke makes me cry everytime
Rightttt???😭😭😭
@@salmaschaheed 😭😭😭
Don't think it has anything to do with the house. It's that hill chick that's evil
I just realized, when Olivia's arm fell asleep and Luke was taken from her arm, it was representing how if she let them stay in a "sleep" like State, they would be taken away from her without her knowledge.
Also Luke was the one taken from one of her arms rather than Nellie. Which just be unintentional but it could also symbolize how Nellie was the one child who was left with her.
literally mind blown. that scene always confused me
*ash choking*
"she's killing me too"
me:*dies of laughter too*
You should definitely see “the Haunting Of Bly Manor” it’s the follow up to the Haunting of Hillhouse. Enjoy!
Edit: it's not the follow up :)
What do you mean follow up because it might have the same cast but they are very different and Victoria plays a lesbian(I am not sure of her initial sexuality) and has an accent.
it is soooo good but i am made me feel the feels
its not a follow up. its a whole different story. its part of an anthology story
Do y'all know what follow up means in this thread? It doesn't specifically refer to sequels taking place in the same universe following the same characters. It can just as easily refer to a spiritual successor or even just the next thing by the same creator. Bly Manor and Hill House are in the same series, by the same creators with the same cast. Bly is as much of a follow up as it gets.
bro yesslsskksksks
The crazy thing is that bc the mom tries to save the twins from what they describe in the episode, her actions were the reason that they experienced them.
This show makes my head hurt no matter how many times I watch it
Nellie’s speech to her siblings always makes me cry like a baby. Especially having lost someone and regretting not calling them enough and them saying “you did enough.” I just. It’s so nice.
This show tbh found me and helped me grieve when I needed it
I feel you! 🥺
The episode about the mom was chefs kiss. Because we were wanting SO bad to understand what she saw and why she was becoming that way, the way they just opened the flood gates on her episode it was just so much emotion and sadness intertwined in her story. I felt the most for the mom I swear💔
Liv and Nellie's faces there at the end when Dad goes to them in the Red Room 😭😭😭 Nellie looks so sad, like she's suffering, knowing that her dad died for their family, he gave up the rest of his life to make sure that everyone's deaths wouldn't be in vain. And Liv, the Liv that the house perverted... She glares at Steve.
poppy is literally the most terrifying character in the show, i hate her so much
Same
Ikr?? I really wanted a prequel about the former residents of the house. I feel there was a lot to unpack there
Rightttt?! All the other ghosts were whatever to me but the way she’d manipulate Liv IRRITATED MY DAMN SOUL!!! Even the lil old lady ghost tried to warn Liv !
@@marvel096 ik it’d be so interesting! if you’ve watched bly manor episode eight (i think it was) or the black and white episode, they basically give a backstory to the ghosts and it was rlly cool. it could be similar w black and white coloring and poetic narration (perhaps done by steve coz he’s a writer)? but yeah like they could do so much with those ghosts
@@chickenstrips2689 where? When?
One of my favorite things about the fashion is it gets more vintage as time goes on. So the first scene where they enter the house, Liv is wearing contemporary, fashionable clothing, but as time passes, she wears more antique robes in rich colors, symbolizing her being taken over by the house.
Both the last scene of episode 9 and "I love you completely and you loved me the same..." get me every time. But dad saying "I was so lucky to be your dad" makes me bawl, EVERY time.
I'm so proud of you for continuing this series while you were going through such a tough moment in your personal life. You didn't need to do that to please us, so thank you. I know you don't know us, but we are here for you. We love you and your content and we are so thankful for whatever you upload. We love you, people who cry are strong people and I wish you and your family love, light and an easy healing process
the "how could we" in the end of episode 9 broke my heart
Hill House and Bly Manor have probably been the most delicately created shows ever and I can’t explain how much they’ve changed the way I perceive literally everything.
The actress who plays Nell is so good! And to think this was her first acting gig as well!
Yeah you should watch the next season of the haunting and season 2 of You she is the main character in both and did an amazing job
thank u ash for feeling comfortable enough to tell us what u have been going through, and I just want to say thank u for even in such a hard time it was for you making us feel happy and giving us a glimmer of hope in our life’s weather that was on this channel or any of your other ones. So thank u, we love u and will always be here for you ❤️
Stay strong ash love u !!!
I hope you also give The Haunting of Bly Manor a chance when you feel like it. You have to be a little bit patient with that one tho, because it takes its time, it has more dialogue than jump scares and it's slower, but it's a good one too. If Hill House made you feel the feelings about loss and all, Bly Manor hits harder, so take the time off you need, but I think you'll probably connect with that one too.
I hope you are feeling better
oh man bly manor hits so hard at the end, like, i couldn't talk to my friends for days because i felt like the way that show hit me, they'd never understand and i was like, weird for a few days like, damn, flanagan really did that
Bly manor hits different 😭😭💔
i remember SOBBING at the end of that show and i was like wtf i thought i was supposed to be scared
Ash at the start: Can't wait to get some answers
Ash 10 mins in: IM TIRED OF THESE ANSWERS
the scene where the hands are all over theo is so heartbreaking to me, i see it as she finally felt what her mom felt. but i also see it as a manifestation of what she was afraid of. she was so scared of all those hands touching her and seeing what they felt.
the “ how could we “ gets me EVERYTIME !!!! literally everytime i hear it i start crying
honestly same it breaks my heart😭it really shows how the family was never the same after her death
theory: when Shirley's hubby says that he would know the truth upon dying(in the hallucination), he was in a way, right, because the house knew about Luke's future addiction, and haunted Nell with her own self and Luke, being able to see into the future and past.
wait omg that makes so much sense
YESSS❗
ALSO about Shirley, the house predicted or maybe even voluntarily triggered her future coping mechanism that she developed after her mom's funeral. In the second episode while Shirley takes photograph around the house, the house make her find the needy kittens and the mask! That's like the house is saying: "here you are, you're gonna try to fix death and you'll fail, so cover it up and just put a mask on everything that is hard to see, including youself."
So I definitely agree that the house knew it all.
Nelly Is so innocent omg and when she says memories are like confetti! Falling around us, it was the cutest, sweetest and real thing ever
I love how the ending is bittersweet. Like, Nell, The Dad, and Mom are all together in death, but they are in the red room meaning the house ate them, and the other ghosts are are people that the house ate. At least the rest of the family is still alive though.
Also, it's clear that Steve took more after his dad and wasnt empathetic like his siblings. But I feel like after all the stuff with the house it fully unlocked his ability to see ghosts. I actually think he saw ghosts around the house but they looked so reall that he didnt notice. But now he can see AND feel that they're there.
The scene on the last night when Hugh is carrying Steve out of the house and says "No matter what you see, keep your eyes closed" always sticks out to me. I think Steve always saw the ghosts like everyone else, but he kept his eyes closed. He convinced himself it wasn't real up until the very end, when he was forced to open his eyes and admit they were actually there.
'when daddy died, I made it rain rocks' - my favourite quote from this episode! This show is so linguistically beautiful!
I HAVE THINGS TO DO and yet I'm here queen
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