Lion Fight 13: Caley Reece vs Tiffany van Soest
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- In the Lion Fight 13 main event, Tiffany "Time Bomb" Van Soest stepped into the ring against hard-hitting Australian challenger Caley Reece in what was the promotion's first ever female headlining bout.
Walkout songs removed to adhere to copyright.
Trumpets of War - Rian Basilio and the Roosters
Spectrum - Florence + The Machine
How is that decision correct??? I must not understand their scoring criteria. I thought the smaller gal landed more significant strikes. The blonde gal did land more knees but they didn't seem as significant as the brunette's strikes. Oh well. It was a good fight.
I luv u van soest
First round was Caley.
Tiffany lost this fight. No Doubt Good call for the winner. 👍👍👍
I'm a major fan of Tiffany's, and I agree. She lost this fight. When the last round started I was saying If Tiffany doesn't get with it she's going to lose this fight, and well, she didn't get with it. To me, she wasn't the fighter that I'm used to seeing. It was like she was holding back the entire fight.
Honest discission.
Commentators “elbows score the highest and kicks the lowest” ???? How are the general public meant to know how to score Muay Thai if the commentators get it completely wrong? Body kicks and knees to the body are what actually score the highest, elbows only score if they show effect....
Those knees from the australian were totally ineffective, whilst Van Soest was precise and landed a lot of hits, elbows, punches to the liver, uppercuts and even more powerful knees...
Judges should be sent in a Thai Camp to learn what a knee to the body feels like, as well as the commentator!
Hey were you watching the same fight that i was???? Because I agree with you 100%.
So what fight was everyone else watching???
Lorenzo Luilli - van soest had some good combos and attacks but I thought she was largely ineffective. If van soest had fought her more aggressive style like she usually does, she would have won that fight
@Adolph Bidenkopt wow that blonde girl hardly ever makes any contact. The other girl clearly won the fight!
Reece seems like a good sport the way she smiled at Tiffany during the referees instructions. That moved her up a few notches in my book although I've never seen her fight.
Tiffany shouldn’t have been clinching with girl because each time she did, Caley prevailed. Tiffany should have been talked out of clinching with girl. She should have relied on boxing mostly and kicks to her face.
MS MS that’s not Muay Thai
@Brian Landers You are right exactly, Firestream likely thinks the word "Boxing" does not apply to muay thai but many if not most will refer to the stand up fist striking aspect as boxing in its looser form. That's what it is just as much as it is for Mike Tyson as the idea is the same, to knock out the opponent directly or by TKO, but can also include feet and elbows. I don't quite get the judo and throwing aspect. In this fight there is none, no floor work but for example, Rena Kubota fights muay thai which includes floor fighting, throwing or rather take down and that is also in the ring. (Rena prefers stand up fighting but still competes in the floor fighting aspect). Can generally tell at the start by the different gloves worn in both styles. Hard to fight on the floor in boxing gloves. The fact that they wear and refer to them as Boxing gloves proves a point. Since all cage and ring fights other than straight forward boxing is referred to as MMA, Mixed Martial Arts, I don't know why Firestream says it is not muay thai without explanation.
Blondes kicks, knees,clinches, and punches just looked better, more show. Close!
Y
It was a good decision....it's not scored like UFC....you get twice the points for knees in the clinch....and this Aussie won that battle.
She still got the worst of it and she was the one getting beaten up
Such a good fight.. I thought Tiffany fought an equally tough fight if not just a little bit better than Caley but Caley is the Champ. You can't take down the Champ by equaling her effort, it has to be more decisive than that. Tiffany's day is coming. Kudos to both girls, both are great fighters!!
Caley wasn't the champ tho? She became the champion by winning this fight. Was a very close fight but I felt like Tiffany did enough for the win, and if tiff was defending than it should have been on Caley to put more if a fight on her like you said.
Both are great fighters and dedicated athletes, however, Tiffany seems to me to be the more "whole" in her approach to the task. She has shown to be the equal of the champs thus far, and that is no easy thing. She will undoubtedly have a fine future and begin to win by large score margins and title upsets. I just love her heart in the sport, and truly enjoy watching her work. I am a big, big fan of what she simply "is".
Same
Good, close fight. You could see the respect both fighters have for each other. The decision could have gone either way.
0
Close and boring fight. Caley doesn't know how to use her hands, barely threw any punches, don't see how she was 18-0 going into this fight.
This is *why* one needs to finish their opponents... *never* leave the fight to the judges...
none of you rexkwando's realise that Muay thai scoring is different than kickboxing and k1. it's the art of 8 limbs which means that clinching is a massive part of scoring as well as kicks to the body and rounds 3 and 4 scoring and rounds 1 and 2 not scoring at all. Go to thailand or google the rules for further information on how real muay thai is scored in the motherland where it was created (and still continuously produces the best fighters in the world). caley reece dominated her every round. Pat Miletich scored Tiffany as winning which is absolutely ludicrous and it's scoring like that (which highlights everyone who agrees) the primitive understanding of the sport and it's fan base. If you want kickboxing rules go watch that. this is muay thai.
Exactly!
zach burridge - I agree. I don't know shit about Muay Thai and I gave Reece 4 rounds in this fight. She deserved that belt and she won.
Where is the traditional Muay Thai music? This is Muay Thai and not kickboxing. I mean they are allowed to clinch for more than just one knee. Look at that stomach at 31:28... she's had a kid! Crazy.
Someone who actually understands scoring right here
zach burridge u no shit by
This was pathetic how do you become champion when you don’t even punch all I saw was kicks and more kicks that didn’t even hit there target.
Punches score the lowest in a muay thai fight, which means theoretically you don't need them to win if you can pull it off.
As lutadoras de muay thai possuem corpos maravilhosos, e os melhores pares de pernas. Até os ombros fortes me atraem.
Me desculpem, mas eu vou assistir a luta outra vez enquanto descasco uma para a Caley Reece, que tesuda.
Doente
Lorena Fernandes Me desculpe, querida, sou mesmo, e prefiro ser um doente que "descasca" olhando duas lutadoras em ação do que ser um retardado que estupra uma criança inocente.
This fight was was close and the only reason van seost didn't get the win is bc of the scoring system of muay Thai having the clinch success and knees to score more effective than aggression and boxing if this were mma I know time bomb would've got the win with how they score their cards but I would love to see Tiffany try mma she has the tools and is still young and she trains with ufc fighters I think she'd be even more of a time bomb!!
+Nikee Ttg. But it IS Muay Thai. It is NOT mma!
@@dunruden9720 yea that's exactly what he said *8yearslater*
One thing I notice is the remarkable sportsmanship shown by these two.
かあな
かたなあ
Tiffany won that fight.
BS decision. It's too fake like wrestling when knees waved in the air during a clinch count as a hit. In addition, if a challenger is to take a belt from a champ, they should be required to win decisively, not by a split. Total BS.
yes we all hate the fact that tiffany lost .BUT the hot blonde used her head for more then a punching bag and exacuted a great fight.she pickrd her shots and scored with her knees using her hight to out score her she blocked beautfuly and knew her and her opponits range at all times.sorry i know boxing but my spelling not the best.lol working on it
Can't argue the decision, although i like Tiffany's style better because it seemed to generate more solid strikes.
Really? I never heard one connect. Surely you mean Reece.
Solid strikes? LOL! Reece low & body kicks more solid than Tiffany's...
WTF's all the drama,, oh I forgot its America ,,
I only had Tiffany down for round 1. You can not score Muay Thai with kick boxing scoring system. If you punch your opponent 20 times and only receive one body kick in return, you are losing on points. Punches are literally worthless other than for ko's. Muay Thai also scores your balance and grace. If you receive a kick and don't move, then return a kick and disrupt your opponents balance, you win the point. There are intricate nuances to Muay Thai, like knees, elbows body kicks and the clinch, that don't exist in kick boxing.
So many Tiffany fangirls in the comments that don't know muay thai scoring crying about the decision boo hoo. Caley landed more kicks and knees
Pangsta Actually she didn’t really land that many knees at all. Not sure what fight you were watching
@@LB-kr5ku waa waa waa the Aussie was to STRONG
@@LB-kr5ku waa waa waa would u like a tissue 😂
How old are you? You type like a snot nosed 8 year old.
Geoffrey Maloney Too strong! Not to strong. Once again your illiteracy comes shining through.
Booooooooooooo
I can't understand why people wouldn't see this fight as a split decision to Caley Reece. Caley scored better in the traditional sense & fought the better fight for scoring. Knees count more than punches (elbows more than knees). Caley scored many many knees to a few good elbows by van Soest. I was impressed that Tiffany van Soest was this good at such a young age. Also, Caley Reece's post fight comments were perfect. They show she's been trained well in answering leading questions.
Agreed...
Cause significance is a factor and tiffanys punches were more significant than reeces weak ass knees that did nothing
Great, close fight. But could that one announcer have possibly been more biased towards Reece? C'mon, man.
from a spectator POV, tiffany dealt more damage, more active, landed more accurately, defended well with slips and perried. Aussie on other hand, kicked air most of the attempts, the only thing she got going for her were clinch work, but what do you expect from a larger fighter? how do you not already expect a larger fighter to control the clinch? to beat the champ you got to beat the champ. in my opinion, Tiffany controlled the entire fight, she knew how to get herself out of the clinch that she knew was not in her favor and the aussie allowed her to get a break from the ref. if the aussie had pressure and manuver herself to continue to fight in the clinch without the ref stepping in, then yeah i would agree she should win. I personally didnt see how tiffany lost. the amount of elbows the aussie ate while being chased down around the ring during the last round were pretty significant and those were scored the most points? very bias decision.
Yea, plus Tiffany has way more sexy feet that that blonde 🚀👣
It wasn't a horrible decision but I also think tiff won that fight. Like you said, all the aussy had going was the clinch work and let's be honest that wasn't doing that much damage.
Tiffany won 1245 rounds, she was robbed.......Disgraceful.......Caley cannot fight, she likes a cuddle.
it was a draw .
Very close fight. I agree with the decision. Lion FIght needs to bring in Denise Kielholtz as well.
note to commentators please learn muay thai scoring basics my gosh! if you throw someone from the clinch but you go down with them it doesnt score! you need to throw them and still be standing
dumps from the clinch don't "score" as such, they simply show domination in the clinch as part of the more holistic Thai judging system. It doesn't matter if both go down, the dominance is shown by whoever lands on top, even if that isn't the fighter who initiated the dump
However, the comment "elbows score highest" almost made me laugh- elbows are same as punches, they only score if they show an effect. kicks and knees to the body score highest. But all techniques are also judged on effectiveness- a punch or elbow that visibly rocks the opponent scores more than a weak bodykickj
they tell them to lock tight and the body totally exposed. they just stand there holding on could be working the body i know it's technique take a risk once in a while
Tiffany's style is AMAZING.
Tee Jay you dont know Jack!
That's your opinion bruh I'm a fan of the more traditional style of Muay Thai,more of a Muay khao fighters is what I'm into...I just feel as though she's to "hoppy"
Tee Jay Did you really say that ?
Really ??? LMAO
tiffany would knock out Caley without thinking about it, but Tiffany always gives her oppoent respect due to their great abilities, but this doesnt mean she wont knock them out just the same.
Tee Jay, dont be a hater be a lover.
😂😂😂 I'm lover and a fighter! But seriously Tiffany has a style that works for her and her frame since she's usually the smaller fighter it's a must she uses more footwork HOWEVER ME PERSONALLY don't find that style appealing,never said she wasn't good...and oh yea idk if you watched the fight but caley dominated her bruh -_-
That was a very long time ago. Tiffany was just starting out. Caley is old and now she is out of the game. Tiffany has a belt and is no longer a beginner. If they fought today it would be interesting but wouldn't last long. Caley just to over the hill. I did enjoy your post. Keep living in the past bro and hang on to it, if you really need to.
Nuff Said !
+Bobby c just starting off...??? Really...??? This was for a title shot they don't give beginners title shots young man ESPECIALLY in Muay Thai,it's cool to be a fan just know your facts....
Tough fight to score.
She didn't lose but the other one may have won.
I thought the benefit of the doubt went against the challenger.
Reece didnt send a single punch ..and she won..hummm
The Aussie won it fair and square.. knees score more than punches... to much experience for the yank.. tiff tiff was way out classed 😁
@@geoffreymaloney6475 those "knees" were just thigh ribs to tiff tiffs butt
I believe you meant that the Aussie was way out classed. Thats how the rest of the world saw it.
I don't know, neither fighter hurt the other.Little gal had more strikes the last two rounds.
I agree, Tiffany won
What a bunch of bull. Tiffany had that fight the other girl was kicking air.
I'm not a fan of muay thai, but this fight seemed to develop slowly, both women somewhat cautious. Neither fighter found their rhythm. It should have gone on for five more rounds, at least.
Reece is a better mover and kicker, hands down. She deserved to win.
@Paul Lunney u r wrong on that point if clinched and the person dumping falls as well as long as they land on top they get the point for that if the other person ends up on top on the way down then the point goes to the other person
Shite!!!
That was a BS called fight. Tiffany should have won that. Those knees which was all she had were crap. They did no damage what so ever.
Bs how can someone who never throw a punch win just by clinches terrible decision.
No Muay Thai isn't scored like boxing. Knees are worth more, 3, elbows kicks and throws worth 2, 1 for punches. 1 extra for an effective blow. That's how they reach their decision for a 10 - 9 round. Also how 10 -8 rounds are more common in Muay Thai without a standing 8 count..
@@thaichatham It was very obvious that Caley was not effective at all with her kicks. Good judges should recognize that just moving your leg up and down should not count for points, but these judges had it in the bag for Caley, that was very obvious by almost everyone on this forum.
bilgsmf nope, the little flea didn’t do anything. The little flea should go back to bidding tables. Or dancing on them.
Muar thai boxing techniques fly knee elbow
Doing us Aussies proud!
It's bad to loose
Tiffany is awsome
I scored it Tiffany Van Soest I am not pleased.
No one cares...
The judges got one right. I like to see more judges get it right.
P LLP
17:13- what makes it more american and dutch than thai? Seriously someone explain
Dutch?
Absolutely the correct call. That little one didn’t even touch the blond. The little one is like a flea.
In my opinion, the last three rounds sucked with all the clinching. Tiffany should have spent more time throwing her combinations with a lot of hard low kicks. Caley and her team showed NO excitement over the decision; makes you wonder if Tiffany threw the fight!? hmmm
Pure technique would go to Caley Reece? what fight is this announcer watching??? Van Soest was klcking her ass and baby kicks were getting high comments. I have to laugh. and the ring side commentator says the heel kicks were like getting hit with a ball peen hammer? I guess he has never been hit with a hammer. I could stand there all day long and let Caley Reece throw her baby knee kicks and her heel kicks and laugh. Crappy decision, apparently they did not see Van Soest dump her hard. Waste of my time watching. Booo Caley go back to Thailand and fight a real thai fighter.
CALEY REECE EXPERIENCE PAYS OFF......GREAT CLINCH WORK .....OUT POINTED TIFF NARROWLY......BUT HAS VERY LITTLE BOXING SKILLS
2020Mastro it’s called real Muay Thai
@@j2dar04 So is the use of boxing. It's totally up to each fighter whether or not they want to get into clinching though it s very likely they will have to so learn the complete range.
Im confused. Shouldnt you have to make contact with the knee to count? The announcer kept saying "more knees" Where was the contact?
That's what I was thinking. Most of those "scoring" knees weren't landing. They were hitting on the thigh not the point of the knee, tiffany was smothering her range very well. She should of won.
I'm thinking it was close but, the decision was bad. Just my opinion.
astraya mate yeaghrrrrrr aussie aussie aussie oy oy oy
Muay Thai isn't scored like boxing. Knees are worth more, 3, elbows kicks and throws worth 2, 1 for punches. 1 extra for an effective blow. That's how they reach their decision for a 10 - 9 round. Also how 10 - 8 rounds are more common in Muay Thai without a standing 8 count..
I'm a major fan of Tiffany's, and I agree. She lost this fight. When the last round started I was saying If Tiffany doesn't get with it she's going to lose this fight, and well, she didn't get with it. To me, she wasn't the fighter that I'm used to seeing. It was like she was holding back the entire fight. Her heart wasn't in it.
I agree. Tiffany was hesitating too much. She does her best when she goes for it without fear. She was too cautious here.
I know its all over, and many people are arguing that by Muay Thai rules, Reece won by virtue of the number of knees she threw BUT...watch again..... most of these were useless and had no real power....she won by virtue of cosmetic knees...a joke..she missed countless kicks, she was boring...van Soest was the aggressor and a much more comprehensive fighter..
We needed more rounds... 🤔
Daz, Chris Tiger white and caley. Best gym, best ppl. Still Sharp, training, teaching and fighting from there knowledge
Caley was taller, more experienced, and cute, Tiffany was decent cute & small but couldn't find that last gear
Dallas DautermanDallas what does being cute have to do with the fight??
Love Tiffany 🤩 Go Hard For Women's Champion San Diego CA 💓
That’s why I hate Muay Thai, all you have to do to win is be taller, throw your opponent down more times and knee more in the clinch, if this were kick boxing the better fighter would have won
Ahh thats crap this must be some brit crap she didnt win that fight how you get a split decision over the champ thats some rigged crap lousy robbery mo way that broad fought good enough to beat the champ. But the brit commentator wanted her to win i cant stand bad decisions she didnt beat the champ covincingly she losf the champ tiffany won they robbed her
You can always tell who the commentator wants to win of course its the Australian since he is a brit puke all he keeps sayin is what the Australian is doing she scoring but when tiffany takes off hits she not scoring i dont know what fight he watching the Australian broad aint did much even tho she taller got more reach tiffany i got ahead of the brit
Awesome fight again the girls bringing the HEAT!! Why is Adelaid Bird scoring fights? FU
Tiffany got robbed by a blonde who looked good in a clinch throwing 100% useless knees. Too afraid to throw hands with Tiffany.
you do not see how she could have won that fight you are blind obviously
Learned about Muay Thai first
Hears the voice of who's commentating and turns sound off, cannot stand to listen to another broadcast from a man who thinks 30 year old 'catch phrases' are still relevant
Fight starts at 8:28, FFS. You're welcome.
Reece was crap, all she did was grab and use her poksy knees and nothing else, Tiffany used punches elbows kicks and knees.
Tiffany was the winner and was ripped off
Yay, the best girl won!!!!
So many of reeces knees were not landed or just barely glancing. Terrible judging. Most likely the fix was in. Would love to know what kind of gambling and odds were going on at that fight.
No tape against no tapes simple 😝😝😝
a really strange decision - Tiffany was more precise punching and controlling the fight clearly
I remember this fight. Horrible judges. If you watch this from ringside you can hear, see and tell what lands and what does not. Hell if you get to see all cameras from all angles before the final cuts to video, it can tell even more! Worst calls in my opinion in the 25 years I have been attending, assisting and judging such events; Reason why I say this is about 75% of Caley's knees never landed/connected. The % throws to hits by Tiffany was far superior. I don't remember the exact figure, but I do remember "triple" was the roundabout figure on %ToLand. A shame that such bad calls are permanent scars on such great athletes and their records. Don't get me wrong it was a good fight, but neither fighter was in full control of each round, so other factors and formulas come into play to score outside of just that. (simple terms) I would've scored that last round 8/10 = Tiffany and I am a Caley Fan, so not a one-sided opinion!
TheRealSpoony if you think Tiffany won that fight , you obviously don’t know shit about Muay Thai
@@KMAAcademy2020 in Muay Thai if walk forward you eat 5 clean shots and don’t react, the opponent doesn’t get any credit 🤣. Whereas if you land one kick, and the opponent staggers, you’re winning . It’s complete garbage .
Not a good fight the American girl was to small for her weight loss this was never going to happen no compared to Maars and Cyborg match 😕
damn, these crybabies complaining about the result. Learn to score, a punch and kisk earn less points than a knee and elbow. Der
One elbow from Van Soest did the most damage in the fight. Bad decision. Pitty pat fighters don't survive for long. They have to keep moving on.
Who had the bloody nose?? The elbow did that and she was shaken from it.
Tiffany was way out classed by the stronger Aussie 😁
🤣🤣🤣
2 Warriors, a beautiful match up
Tiffany was cheated by the organization that sponsored this match up who advised the judges to give the decision to the other fighter. Tiffany completely out classed Caley who is not in the same league as Tiffany.
Didnt look close to me... Van soest controlled the fight begining to end... Reeses knees werent landing
Your right about the knees not landing or for that matter almost all her kicks as well. Do the judges give points if the kicks are deflected, or are the kicks supposed to actually connect with the body or head? Caley through kicks but almost all of them were deflected!
I think I would have scored it a draw, neither one was in trouble.
Hi tiffany. I love your fighting style . Keep up the kick ass work
Just watched it and it is an oldie .. Disappointing it was a kicking match ... where is the boxing .. I am an Aussie but I was disappointed .
lmao neither of these girls could hit hard enough to hurt a butterfly,, an they actually give one a belt,, i could just imagine the rest of the fighters if this is the best they have,, terribly boring
Meh, I can't argue with the decision, the Australian girl got that one. It looks close and all, but she landed more knees in those clinches, and threw her down more often. Tiffany was not used to fighting someone of that level, so she looked out of her element somewhat, not capable of doing what she'd normally wanna do in a fight. That being said, I only found out about this Tiffany chick like two and a half hours ago. I've watched some of her fights, and I gotta say I love this broad. Love her style, her energy, she's really entertaining to watch, great fighter, big heart. At first I thought she was Dutch, cause she has a Dutch name (van Soest). But yeah, this fight was tough, that Australian fighter was experienced, and deserved the win I think. Cheers yo
XaeeD Yes she really is of Dutch ethnicity, that's her heritage.
XaeeD there is a difference between landing actual knee shots and those that she “landed”. Most of them were bouncing off her own arms......maybe you should watch the fight again. Tiffany is clearly the better fighter that’s why the Australian didn’t want to throw hands.
Most of those knees were not landed and those back of leg shots with the heel should not have been scored as knees
I don’t agree with the decision!
That was bullshit, why give it to someone who came out of retirement, bunnch of bullshit...
The Aussie can fight but she don't throw hands much it's just kicks,knees and clinches 🤷
Zboooo. Bad call by judges. If kneeing her own elbows counted then I guess she landed more blows
BULLSHIT!! TIFFANY BROKE BAD IN LAST ROUND AND LITERALLY OUTHIT AND KNEED HER PLUS SHE BOXED N GOT WAY BETTER HITS
None of those knees from reese are landing
Tiffany won that fight
Don't know why the crowd was booing reece was by far the better fighter.