Here's a thought: most of a security officer's work isn't repelling invaders, it's dealing with conflicts between crewmates. Data lacks the social awareness to do that.
Bouphe is also a pretty big Star Trek fan, I would love to hear her and Ben educate Tom as he journeys his way through TNG. Also hope Tom watches DS9, I feel like he would really enjoy the Dominion War stuff.
@@FixtaFernback But it's so baaad. And such a waste... I always feel bad for any fan running into that. Just like early Wesley. Except this time they don't fix it!
In the Star Trek Lower Decks cartoon, they call the exaggerating the time it takes to do something 'buffer time' I like that idea. It makes sense if you live where you work
There are a few things you need to understand about Star Trek, Tom. 1) Picard is the most English Frenchman in existence 2) Troi has the uncanny ability to sense things that have just happened right in front of her 3) You become insane and evil once you get too many promotions. 4) In a crew of several hundred there are only ever like seven people who can ever do anything ever. 5) The first couple seasons always suck and then everyone decides they love it ?) Genetic supermen took over the world in the 1990s but somehow the Beastie Boys still wrote "Sabotage"
@@peter4210 7) 300 years in the future they'll know about legal documents, classical literature, detective novels from the 30s, etc. but nobody will know what baseball is.
b'ellana says something on the topic in voyager. janeway asks how long something will take, torres gives an estimate. janeway say's you've got a fraction of that, torres says no. this is how long it takes. this is how long I'm telling you. it was a pretty satisfying moment ngl
The first point is kinda highlighted in Voyager, and lampooned in Below Decks. Torres gives Janeway an estimate, Janeway goes, "No, get it done in half that time," and Torres basically goes, "Bitch, I don't exaggerate. It's gonna take the time I said." In Below Decks, when they realise that the crew could be far more efficient and have been padding their estimates, they work them too hard and it eventually all goes to pot. Voyager is still my favourite, despite its flaws. I love the idea of a poor crewman on Voyager who has to share bunks with someone else. "Wait, we just lost a third of the crew. Surely there are some single quarters available? I mean, we're on this ship for 75 years." "Nah, sorry, that hedgehog man and child bride we picked up snagged the last one. And they get to go to the senior staff briefings and lead teams and stuff, even though she's a one-year-old and he's basically just a trader." "Right, so why don't we at least train some science staff to replace the medical team that ALL died? You know, so we don't have to rely on a single hologram that blinks out of existence the moment we lose power?" "Nah, that one-year-old can do it. And if she leaves, then we'll just stick our most experienced pilot and fourth-in-command in there. He took six months of medic training. You know, before he went to jail."
The Ben story about Worf's kid owning in football...oof for when they find out Worf accidentally kills another child when they clash heads when he going for a header as a kid.
The kid they were talking about Worf adopting is Jeremy Aster, he didn't adopt him, Worf accepted him into his family as a brother (Source Memory Alpha)
I can't believe He didn't talk about Riker telling Picard to shut up. It's in that episode, "Future Imperfect." Also, my favorite part is at the end the alien tells Riker his real name. Riker replies "You'll always be Jean-Luc to me" which is such a shitty thing to tell someone.
Just once, just once! I want someone to do the: "How long will it take?" "Ten hours sir!" "You've got two!" "Ok but like, that's not long enough, I don't tell you how to captain, captain, shut up and fly the ship."
Data does basically do everything, he goes on away teams, works in engineering all the time. Always on the bridge giving useful information. The only place he doesn’t work is sick bay. He’s not wasted at all
I love this talk of time management. Surprisingly the lower decks actually had an episode about this. That show surprised me on how much it takes the piss out of the show.
The boy, Jeremy, went to live with his aunt and uncle on Earth. But Worf adopted him into his family, probably without telling him that he was now a part of the most hated family in the Klingon Empire.
Whoever said Spot is allowed to wander the ship is wrong. I’m pretty sure it’s a plot point in one of the episodes that Spot escapes Data’s quarters when somebody else is watching her.
Actually it was in an episode where the plot complication was that the ship was travelling through an area of space with random tiny ruptures in like the fabric of space(time?) or something, and when a rupture intersected with the ship, it temporarily created a hole that stuff could pass through, and one of the "clues" before they figured it out was that spot escaped datas quarters while he was away even though the door was not configured to open for him/her. Although (iirc) data also explains that he/she (spots gender changed between seasons) apparently escaped in order to become pregnant for the episode where spot has kittens, and he may also have said he/she had "escaped on several occasions."
Engineers don't over-estimate how long it takes to complete projects. Only _good_ engineers do that. And they're the only ones who end up delivering on time.
Worf is established to be pretty good at fighting in a few episodes, but the problem is the writers often use him as a plot device to establish how strong the alien of the week is. When worf is badass, hes really actually badass. Its rather frustrating.
Tom and Ben never talk about Andromeda, which for me is the best sci fi series ever. I'm kind of surprised neither have watched it or didn't care for it enough to ever reference it.
"There's something that's been bothering me, Ben."
"Yeah?"
"Are they meant to be in space?"
Boba has watched all Star Trek you can ask her
Her favourite episode is the one where they find the alien and beam to the planet, then it all goes wrong.
I'd like to point out, whenever Picard and Ryker are away, Data is acting captain
Here's a thought: most of a security officer's work isn't repelling invaders, it's dealing with conflicts between crewmates. Data lacks the social awareness to do that.
Tom: What have I become?
One of us, one of us!
Bouphe is also a pretty big Star Trek fan, I would love to hear her and Ben educate Tom as he journeys his way through TNG. Also hope Tom watches DS9, I feel like he would really enjoy the Dominion War stuff.
The problem there is then he'd get to Pah Wraith Dukat and ugh. What an utter waste of a good villain...
@@happyhatebot TNG has plenty of bad/laughable moments, I'm sure it will be fine.
@@FixtaFernback But it's so baaad. And such a waste... I always feel bad for any fan running into that. Just like early Wesley. Except this time they don't fix it!
@@happyhatebot Sisko just needed to kill him in that cave and it would be perfect.
In the Star Trek Lower Decks cartoon, they call the exaggerating the time it takes to do something 'buffer time'
I like that idea. It makes sense if you live where you work
There are a few things you need to understand about Star Trek, Tom.
1) Picard is the most English Frenchman in existence
2) Troi has the uncanny ability to sense things that have just happened right in front of her
3) You become insane and evil once you get too many promotions.
4) In a crew of several hundred there are only ever like seven people who can ever do anything ever.
5) The first couple seasons always suck and then everyone decides they love it
?) Genetic supermen took over the world in the 1990s but somehow the Beastie Boys still wrote "Sabotage"
6 ) Picard always has the moral high ground even when he does not
@@peter4210 7) 300 years in the future they'll know about legal documents, classical literature, detective novels from the 30s, etc. but nobody will know what baseball is.
@@travishimebaugh8381 I think you’ll find that Benjamin Sisko was a huge baseball fan.
@@General_Nothing And he's the only one
Like when he bumps into another person who even knows what baseball is he's pleasantly surprised
@@travishimebaugh8381 Everyone's too busy playing Blurnsball
The over estimating also came up in an episode of Lower Decks which is pretty funny!
b'ellana says something on the topic in voyager. janeway asks how long something will take, torres gives an estimate. janeway say's you've got a fraction of that, torres says no. this is how long it takes. this is how long I'm telling you. it was a pretty satisfying moment ngl
@@adm_ezri I need to rewatch Voy, nearly finished DS9 again, so good!
The first point is kinda highlighted in Voyager, and lampooned in Below Decks. Torres gives Janeway an estimate, Janeway goes, "No, get it done in half that time," and Torres basically goes, "Bitch, I don't exaggerate. It's gonna take the time I said." In Below Decks, when they realise that the crew could be far more efficient and have been padding their estimates, they work them too hard and it eventually all goes to pot.
Voyager is still my favourite, despite its flaws. I love the idea of a poor crewman on Voyager who has to share bunks with someone else. "Wait, we just lost a third of the crew. Surely there are some single quarters available? I mean, we're on this ship for 75 years."
"Nah, sorry, that hedgehog man and child bride we picked up snagged the last one. And they get to go to the senior staff briefings and lead teams and stuff, even though she's a one-year-old and he's basically just a trader."
"Right, so why don't we at least train some science staff to replace the medical team that ALL died? You know, so we don't have to rely on a single hologram that blinks out of existence the moment we lose power?"
"Nah, that one-year-old can do it. And if she leaves, then we'll just stick our most experienced pilot and fourth-in-command in there. He took six months of medic training. You know, before he went to jail."
That first bit was the entire plot of the Buffer Time episode of The Lower Decks.
The Ben story about Worf's kid owning in football...oof for when they find out Worf accidentally kills another child when they clash heads when he going for a header as a kid.
The kid they were talking about Worf adopting is Jeremy Aster, he didn't adopt him, Worf accepted him into his family as a brother (Source Memory Alpha)
I can't believe He didn't talk about Riker telling Picard to shut up. It's in that episode, "Future Imperfect." Also, my favorite part is at the end the alien tells Riker his real name. Riker replies "You'll always be Jean-Luc to me" which is such a shitty thing to tell someone.
Kind of like "We'll call you ALF, for Alien Life Form" when he clearly told them that his name was Gordon Shumway.
Just once, just once! I want someone to do the:
"How long will it take?"
"Ten hours sir!"
"You've got two!"
"Ok but like, that's not long enough, I don't tell you how to captain, captain, shut up and fly the ship."
I'd swear I've seen at least one where Scotty responded with "that's just not enough time!"
Data does basically do everything, he goes on away teams, works in engineering all the time. Always on the bridge giving useful information. The only place he doesn’t work is sick bay. He’s not wasted at all
I love this talk of time management. Surprisingly the lower decks actually had an episode about this. That show surprised me on how much it takes the piss out of the show.
The boy, Jeremy, went to live with his aunt and uncle on Earth. But Worf adopted him into his family, probably without telling him that he was now a part of the most hated family in the Klingon Empire.
And then he got involved in drugs and was shot to pieces by Cain.
Whoever said Spot is allowed to wander the ship is wrong. I’m pretty sure it’s a plot point in one of the episodes that Spot escapes Data’s quarters when somebody else is watching her.
Actually it was in an episode where the plot complication was that the ship was travelling through an area of space with random tiny ruptures in like the fabric of space(time?) or something, and when a rupture intersected with the ship, it temporarily created a hole that stuff could pass through, and one of the "clues" before they figured it out was that spot escaped datas quarters while he was away even though the door was not configured to open for him/her.
Although (iirc) data also explains that he/she (spots gender changed between seasons) apparently escaped in order to become pregnant for the episode where spot has kittens, and he may also have said he/she had "escaped on several occasions."
@@ScrewYouThatsMyName Yep, that’s what it was.
If you like Tom's humor and Star Trek I highly recommend M-Class podcast. It's like a Star trek book club and they are very funny.
Best of Both worlds is where kirk and spock make out
Engineers don't over-estimate how long it takes to complete projects.
Only _good_ engineers do that. And they're the only ones who end up delivering on time.
Worf is established to be pretty good at fighting in a few episodes, but the problem is the writers often use him as a plot device to establish how strong the alien of the week is. When worf is badass, hes really actually badass. Its rather frustrating.
Data isn't security chief because Data already has a higher, better position. He's 3rd in Command.
Next gen is so good!
They should really watch Star Trek: Lower Decks. For all those behind the scenes happenings
Tom and Ben never talk about Andromeda, which for me is the best sci fi series ever. I'm kind of surprised neither have watched it or didn't care for it enough to ever reference it.
Let's see if we can try and get tom to watch it in the new year! If ds9 is a no go lol
I cant wait till he starts watching ds9
Data's USB-D.
7 minutes on how Data is the best, as it should be.
I hope.when tom is done, that he will watch orignnal Star trek and enterprise
Data can't be a security officer or a chief engineer because he doesn't want to be a security officer or a chief engineer.
It’s good Tom never watched TOS, all the problems like the officers going on missions and the you have x hours were way worse