The Greatest Underdog Story In StarCraft II History
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Watched his entire run Live - I was losing my mind. So happy for the guy you could tell his dream came true. Best IEM I've ever watched
Same, greatest IEM ever
Ive never been more hype watching sc2 than watching time beat the top three. I was yelling when he beat maru lol, also wholesome dude.
Same here I'm still in shock. I can't wait for more hype videos to come out about this run. The whole run was just too good to be true. He was down 0-2 to the best zerg in the world then beat him 3 games in a row, then took out the best protoss in the world, then won 4 straight against Maru my mind is still blown.
And finally an esports player showing emotion and being happy after each won map
This IEM messed up my sleep schedule because the energy of watching it all unfold was just too gripping
I've watched a lot of IEM's - this was the best one I can remember. Edge of your seat stuff, first TvT final ever, a Cinderella story, a winner's speech even Catz would be proud of, Oliviera in tears, Smix in tears, Kalaris in tears - an absolutely wonderful tournament from beginning to end. If you missed it - go and watch it, you won't regret it.
I also cried a little
It was so emotional
First one i wached live nearly entire - it was great.
Silly question, but wheres the best place to watch it? Outside of thermal and occasionally lowko, i dont know where to watch SC.
@@I_am_Romey here on yt, search ESL channel
Dude this guy is insane… I’m Korean and I loved watching Koreans win at tournaments. But when I saw Oliveira won, my jaw dropped… his builds are not something super new or anything but his micro ability… dang another level. Huge respect for this guy! If you see Maru got beaten 4:1 that says something.
Part of what made it the best tournament for me was how he beat the best player in each race. He didn't get an easy run. He beat the best Zerg (arguably), then the best protoss and finally, the final boss, Maru. The Maru games were the most impressive for me, considering Maru is the best TvT player in history. I'm sure other people felt the same way after game 1, where it was a Maru stomp. After, I was like, "well, Olivera played really well, but it's kinda a letdown now." Then he just started crushing Maru, deflecting every push sent his way. Great games.
Watching Reynor, HerO, and then finally Maru, visibly crushed once they came to the realisation how fucking determined and stone-cold this boy is, blew me away. Expecially Maru man, this dude almost never cracks, but you could see it sinking in and how he couldn't process exactly what just happened. Reynor was twitching like a muppet in an utter disbelief.. .
Poor HerO, he was beyond himself, shaking, bewildered, no idea how Time is pulling off such insane plays..
He is so humble, he enjoyed every victory in the tournament and of course his interview after Maru game was ...omg...
No, he is not. He is a funny guy, a positive guy but never a humble guy. I would rather choose the word 'ambitious'.
Would love to see you cover all his matches, or atleast one of each from the big 3
yes please !!! we want more epic comments of epic games
that drone pull against Hero Kreygasm
Must do! Second on that worker pull! how the hell did he realize that
ESL will for sure post them on their RUclips page
This was the craziest moment I have ever witnessed in star craft history. Oliveira came out of no where and decided he was going to beat not only Reynor and Hero but Maru in the grand finals! I’ve only just started watching Oliveira during the 2v2 with him and Serral. What an ending to IEM!
You should definitely do some more, I caught his whole playoff run live and I've been so excited to see reactions from sc2 youtubers. What a performance
He is a legend! And the proud of Chinese StarCraft 2, we lost the server, but we got the champion!
I've been a Time stan for like 3 years I felt so vindicated. He played so insane, such an incredible run.
Do the TvT against Maru! Being the terran expert you are would be a fascinating breakdown of game 5, it looked like the cleanest game ever
Hey uThermal, just wanted to say that I really appreciate your content. Always look forward to your new videos! Thanks for the hard work.
Love the commentary! The context you provide for these series is why I'd rather watch this than the full game VOD.
Zombiegrub was going crazy, the original video is worth watching. The game was amazing, they should have a prize for the best game in the tournament and this game would win it. Reinor gave it all, full aggression, non-stop. It reminds me of the first Rocky movie, Oliviera simply waited through the aggression. his focus was almost inhuman.
i was hoping for a special episode. this tournament was out of this world, Oliveira has been one of my favourite Terrans for some TIME now. There's something magical about his playstyle, I'm so happy everything fell into place for him.
I was there in Katowice! It was Wild, People Jumped from their seats when Oliveira won. It was crazy!
Watching him and Smix in the post game interview was something else. I'm so happy for him! What a run!!
thanks for doing this mate... like... really, thanks! I love having your videos in my suggestions despite me playing starcraft or watching starcraft content on and off for basically a decade now. There have been years I've never looked at sc, but your videos in the recent month/year are always a joy to watch. The way you present them, the insane skill level you have, it's just a premium combination. Thanks mate, thanks a lot.
I enjoyed this a lot. Hearing from an ex pro just how hard some of these mechanics are. 10/10
If someone is wondering how Oliveira was able to pull this off, I have one secret to share with you guys.
The person Oliveira had as a practice partner for this tournament was someone little known dude called Joona Sotala, also known as Serral.
Before the World Championships, Oliveira was playing a 2v2 tournament with Serral as his partner and in another tournament earlier Serral had just suffered a crushing defeat against Maru.
I believe Serral wanted someone to practice TvZ with to crush Maru in the finals with and since he was already friends with Oliveira, he could practice with him, after all... Oliveira learning his new plays and strategies isn't that big of a deal, Serral could easily beat him as he did. It just turns out that it wasn't TvZ Serral needed to worry about and that it would be Oliveira that would get more out of those practice sessions.
He beat top 4 players with EPT points at IEM Kato. Imo, he had the hardest matchups of anyone and still won. Insane
1 South Korea Terran Maru 3,965 - Finals
2 South Korea Protoss herO 3,950 - Semi Finals
3 France Terran Clem 3,945 - Group
4 Italy Zerg Reynor 3,124 - Quater finals
UThermal: he seems to play the best style per matchup, so he's not really a player that either turtles against everything, or cheeses against everyone
me: mhm..
UThermal: y'know, normally you would say well why doesn't everyone do that, that's perfect that's ideal
me: uh huh
UThermal: but then, as you can know for example from my games... I'm a little bit better when I'm aggressive-
*me: TRUUUUUUU*
Please do a follow up analysis of how he beat Her0 and then Maru. I could not understand how he countered their every move so hard
Could be cheating... Or he's just improved a lot and played near perfection at the perfect time. Time will tell, if Oliveria/Time keeps winning and playing at this level, then he is legit.
Oliveira reviewed on the matches on live stream yesterday. What he said was "I don't know how I did it."😂
@@blue-phoenix115 he said he felt like cheating, you know, like Flash. The most important thing is he said there’s no way he could lose as long as he played as usual, the mentality of a stronger player. You can see that in all his matches against the big 3, very patient.
Cheat in an offline tournament with cameras and staffs all around you! Show me how!
@@acmon8176 Someone said anal beads, different vibration tells.
Oliviera changes because of his name to his idol Oliviera in UFC. He also want to make a strong comeback like him after he got 0-6 in Atlanta
Reynor was tearing his hair out in the end... he couldn't believe what just happened. Unbelievable matches. And then he beat Hero and Maru almost flawlessly... they couldn't believe it too.
His run was so fun to watch, for those who haven't seen the tournament I highly recommend watching the entire thing!
Uthermals Player card would be 100's across the board imo, iQ would at least be 200.
The last move he pulled on Maru was so simple and yet deadly. Went down the ramp and then up again. When Maru moved there.
Yea, that juke was so dope!
That was not planned. The reason why he turned back was because he saw Maru's army had a pathing issue causing half of his tanks to be out of position, so he instantly jumped on it.
@@danielcheng769 Wow you are so cool. Nobody, Nobody, Nobody said it was Planned..... It was very nice juke and finishing blow in very nice game. Anything else?
Maru : Who is TIME?
Oliveira : Hell, It's about TIME.
So kind of uthermal not to participate and let someone else win. Imagine the bongcloud into penguin brothers. Ez mind game victory
Sir. I see a big man with a big heart when I watch you. "Time" was the underdog NOBODY expected. You guys trained together in places like Korea, and he bought you lunch in exchange for your pro-tips. You helped him fulfill his dream, and this means so much more especially when Blizzard fucked all Chinese fans.
It must have been the best comeback ever. Being an under dog, 2 sets down and match set, fighting the strongest zerg in the tournament. Even the best and most experienced players would have panicked, he just hold his ground and building the right counter units methodologically and almost flawless defence and micro.
Man, Oliveira outplayed literally everyone he face, it was incredible to see. If you could go over a couple of his games against HeroMarine that would be awesome. To me Oliveira just had him on build order almost every game and I'd love to hear your insights on it.
Not to mention, in my opinion, Heromarine has the best TvT in Europe. Maru also didn't perform poor. Might have been not the best performance ever in the finals, but Oliviere just played insane that finals. No mistakes.
Couldn't agree more.
Tbf I think some people simply underestimate him. Like reynor for example went for moves expecting him to be a bit slower. The matches later in the tournament were well won though
You take the planetary on your 4th to keep it safe. I take it because my macro is too bad to use up all the energy from my other orbitals.
24:48 "hellbats roasting drones is just beautiful" uThermal 2023
xD
thank you for that video m8, it was so good to watch him won those games
Underdog against the top 3 players of each race I suppose... but Time always been solid af. He was definitely not the underdog of the tournament compared to many other participants
He changed his name after Charles Oliveira, an underdog MMA fighter who went on to become champion recently, lots of similarities between their careers.
Imagine your a male ping pong player from Korea. You train on your own. Your country doesn’t bother build a team.
And you end up beating the Chinese and become champion.
When I was watching this live, I had no idea it was really TIME. I thought it was some weird mafia match-fixing thing where they just took some nobody off the street to with the tournament and make a fortune betting on him.
I kept betting Oliveira through the tournament, 7.5 odds against Reynor, 4.5 against Hero and 7.0 against Maru. The bookies didn't learn after the first upset ^^
15:47 "Now Reynor is once again coming in from the front-butt." ~uThermal 2023
Probably the greatest underdog story in all esports
I was just gonna suggest you a series where you analyze those crazy games, give us some pro insight! You are the best, you know what we want! Please make a week of this content! Raynor, Hero, Maru.
awesome ! thanks for insights - i watched it lived and was very happy for him - and see someone win with showing passion n emotions - damn cool story - thanks for cover and support oliveira =) , greetings
The end was so emotional, even Smix cried.
I now think UThermy can make it too you just change your name into something like "Antonio"
More casting of Oliveira's games this tournament!!
that was great. can you review more IEM matches?
And the world champion title, somehow, some way, keeps eluding Maru.
Don't get me wrong, what happened was even better. Its just that i feel bad for Maru.
Maru is already so damn good. Imagine now he has to elevate his game even higher. I hope he succeed because I still think he is the best. I am not sure if Oliveira can maintain his god-like form. Looking forward to seeing a rematch.
Not gonna lie, I really wanted Maru to take that last Match, but was good to see Time getting over the line.
In his stream Oliveira talked about how got lucky with build orders against Maru and her0. Could you explain how?
Your commentary is spot on. If you were to want to do this more in the future, i feel like most of us would like it too :)
i still can't believe he won IEM 24 hours later, it was unreal :)
Bro give us a part 2 when he beats Maru and wins!!!!!!!!
I'll watch any Oliveira content you put out.
Thanks uThermal for the analysis, you might not know or notice this but ever since watching these analysis series I have been climbing in ranks. and it is also very entertaining as well.
I wish Uthermal did all my sc2 casting.
Muchas gracias! for your explanation, I was able to see his semi final against Hero and final against Maru live and was very impressed at how he make those monsters look like they were not playing right.
Won some decent money betting on Oliveira, 7.5 odds vs Reynor (21.0 when he was down 0-2), 4.55 vs Hero and 7.0 vs Maru ^^
I haven't watched a tournament cast in quiet a long time... After watching this I will now head to watch and listen to his entire run! What a great story... I have been watching (and slightly playing) Starcraft for over a decade. Runs like this do not happen when you have such GIANTS in the field. Being rank 21 is AMAZING but, when you are playing against the best in the world where the skill gap from rank 15 to rank 3 is a big grandmaster and masters in ranked leagues (numbers I made up to give context) where you only have to win ONE game NOT a SERIES... It shows how remarkable his run really is... OR maybe a new TIME and challenger has risen to the god tier rank! I guess only TIME will tell...
Love you thermy, your audio was a little echoey in this vid just so you know. I haven't noticed it before; i wonder if it's because the game sound was quieter than normal. Either way great commentary and I still watched it all the way through just to hear what you had to say.
Great stuff uThermal! When ZG was going nuts in game 2 with that mission impossible last push, it actually got me to betray my race and start rooting for this Terran. I was like most people though - great run, but you will get slaughtered next round. Love to see an analysis of those finals. After game 1 it looked like Maru was going to curb stomp Oliveira to the ground as hard as he did Ragnarok.
I have a feeling they didn’t see him making it so they didn’t prepare or study his strategy as much. I think everyone was expecting Maru vs Reynor or herO.
Awesome underdog victory!
Please do more on Oliveira matches in IEM. Love getting a professional view on these games.
You are amazing person and amazing content creator. God Almighty bless you and your family
I really liked Maru’s 2-port speed banshee build against ragnarok. gotta bring back Terran school to go over some of the new patch stuff. For example is double Raven openers in TvT still safe or is it not good enough against early tank pushes with the auto turret nerf.
I think it's even better because the interference matrix is maybe more useful and you get the Ravens faster now. Maybe it's time to think about going for 3 Ravens instead of 2
Loved the Oliveira recap. If there are any other games of his from IEM Katowice that were this epic, I would love to watch you recap it, :) Thanks uThermal! Love your channel!
This was the first tournament I was able to watch from Day 1 all the way to the Grand Finals. 12 years later and Starcraft 2 is still an epic game with an amazing scene.
Easy to analyze after what, but... I believe Reynor did a very significant mistake, at the strategic level, in that game.
He took gas way too late in the midgame.
Look e.g. at 14:41 in your replay (and sooner), Reynor is happily filling a bank. 6609/1779 (sometimes ratio actually almost 1:1 cristal/gas)
That's not wrong in itself, if you can spend that money quickly, which he does. But of course, if you are spending, it's even better if you can spend on quality, and that will require more gas than cristal.
Yet, even during the 16:50 mark (in your replay), the observer camera goes through Reynor bases, you can see most of them are STILL laking the extractors! He will build them only a bit later.
Meanwhile, for all this time, Reynor was swimming in cristals he couldn't possibly spend on lings (I don't think so, probably not enough larva), but he was struggling building better units because of the lack of gas (then sticking in the 100+ region, basically zero).
Now Reynor game was still top tier quality. Definitely the kind you'd expect to completely smash any player below top 20, probably more than enough below top 10. And that is still the kind of game he would regularly play in the top 5, and be very likely to win.
I'm still very much impressed with both this game overall, AND Oliveira gameplay in particular.
But Reynor wasn't at all in the mindset of a "this is top5 level, I need to focus". Maybe that's how such a mistake could happen.
What do you think, was that indeed significant? Was that what cost the game to Reynor? And was mindset the main issue, or is it just that at some point, even the best of the best of the best can't think to everything?
Why did he keep spamming zerglings like 10 times when he git slaughtered horribly everytime?
More of this please. I never feel lost when you are commentating.
I feel like they let Oliveira win to boost StarCraft adoption in China, and he is the only one taking the money. Seriously Reynor without any advantages is nearly unbeatable. But Reynor with more than THREE BASES MORE. Are you kidding me? Also Reynor was constantly out of gas half if the game, but didn't even take half his gas geysers. He must be like, dude, how are you not beating me already, I'm just doing lings. And they changed times name.
Id like that Oliveira a.k.a. TIME is come. And win as a terran. And he not just randomly win. He beats Reynor, Maru, Hero. Its not a ez walk. He win in close games with some comebacks, just a solid terran style. Good job. He only skip Serral to be the true gigachad ).
Maybe I'm being insecure, and I also haven't played seriously since HotS, but the whole thing about not having build order wins against Zerg works both ways. Zerg has pmuch ZERO build order wins because of how sluggish their tech is.
man for me this was the best starcraft 2 world championship I've ever seen for sure
12:22, I would disagree, at game time 12:48, zerg should be brood lords and corruptors and infesters coming, brood lords are air tanks, so good, with corruptors you cna defend well... Terran has 3/3 ground jsut aorund 13 minute mark so 30 seconds off, common pro speed, but he was also made a few more hellions... so makes sense...
TErran excels at late game by having Orbitals.... it allows a larger army which allows you to take fights that you shouldn't win, but you can by sheer force.
Zerg can swarm adn over run, but technically most trades in teh game are 1 to 1, if played properly, I often though see, a zerg method of rapid mining and 200 and then attack, and hten waves of attacks unti ltheir poor, this works well if your maxed first and have an income ot burn, but tactically its better to jsut tier and upgrade, brining more value to those units.
Reynor should transition around 12 minute mark, greater spire needs ot be done by then, roaches,,, and ling is an interesting thign I find people get stuck on and allows too much freedom, lings roachs and hydralisks... or something is a good compositions lings navigate front and soak up damage, oraches range is 3... so hydralisk is 6.. but the benefit of hydralisk is that,, it doesn't allow Terran to send out as many drop ships because hydralisk composition stops the medivacs from coming in and pickign them up and leaving, and naother thing is burrow, is 100% should always be researched.. If terran doesn't have a raven... and isn't scanning... having hydralisks burrowed secretly in expansion spots and then meddling back and forth with the other player, allows you to setup easy flanks and total destruciton. IE mineral loss from a cc, being built, either as soon as the scv builds it unburrown target fire and its usllay to fast or let it build... with hydralisk burrow tends ot be a farily strong force, that still has a trade value... that is pretty considerable. plus you can always turn a couple into lurkers.. also...
but lings are still cheap and great for sudden attacks, but his barrages are.. so so...
brood lords and infestors are so important once terran begins getting clumpy with ghosts, jsut having one , when th ghosts pushed in burrow, would of made teh ghosts retreat and then Oliveira may think different'y about moving in.... aggresively...
The other problem is army value composition. If you want to cosntantly use lings... atleast have the same drone count, but yeah.. I I think when reynor was at 90 drones and Ol, was at 60... his army composition can't hit to the same hardness. IE his ling attcks could of been 30 more ling strong which is the equal against ols unit count, ocmposition and owuld probably do that damage he wants to do.. Then we have the supply depot of wased attacks of idle lings.. could of taken out two- three depots in teh same time it took the 4 to kill one... lol... also having a simliar ocmposition and knowing your building counts, you can do an ineffeciency trade, so its like count up their production and you want t odo damage to make all buildings red... and typically terran built their buildings in a such away that you can get double value and thus be effecient by the proxy. barracks... you get x count unit and doing a building banneling rush with a tiny ling force I think would of been superb... 4 bannelings for one turret tower, however if they are built closely, together you can get two turrets... The most buildings you can hit fro mabanneling if they are built like trash, is like 5 buildings.. Thus 5 turrets could be destroyed from simpyl 4 bannelings, so banneligns for buildings are great, if used in the correct location. You can also hold shift so they remote detonate in a ally way to hit both buildings at once!.. Roll to their doom and burst...
If your not matching army unit count.. then ling flood is marginal damage, and wasteresources for higher tiered units and spell caster support which is really important in late game. Fungal... is so good.... against ghosts, and then his lings would of worked wonders, he had no souther detection so a hidden infestor would of been great on that ghost, as a trap. .. the power of burrow! lol
Reyna arguably rank 1 zerg in the world
Maru arguably rank 1 Terran in the world
herO arguably rank 1 Protoss in the world
He took them all with confident
Insane player
Found the commentary/analysis really interesting!! Your speech patterns sound really similar to Lowko's, I guess I just like that Dutch accent!
Would love to hear your thoughts on the game against hero when he pulled the boys.
I'm double commenting cos feck it. I'd recommend doing the whole series, especially game 2. You can see the point where Oliveira finds his groove, a switch just flipped. He lost that game to one baneling. Best almost comeback game I've seen in years.
Re/ shrimp on the barbie 🦐
We Aussies actually call them prawns not shrimp but the Australian government made a tourist ad mostly for Americans back in the 80s with crocodile Dundee saying shrimp instead of prawn so they would understand it 🍤😂
seen itnlive, still a great analisis to watch without all these emotions :D reynor looked broken during this game, his mind set was devestated
uthermal, I welcome any amount of using Australianisms. We never actually say "shrimp on the barbie", but I doubly give you permission to keep using it.
22:15, It's nice getting some aussie recognition, but... we don't call them shrimps, we call them prawns, and we don't put them on the barbie... Maybe try 'A snag on the barbie' lol.
Snag meaning sausage, though when someone says they're gonna get a snag or eat a snag, they mean the sausage placed diagonally on a piece of white bread, bonus points if it's from Bunnings.
Greetings from Brisvegas.
Do you want real audience?, Get a game with this man and post it here. Result is the less important, we all know you r a retired soldier, a former glory.
But should be pretty good to bring a match like that here, just like Rocky vs. Creed. ;)
It's prawns on the barbi lol
Yesss
Nice, I was wondering about your thoughts.
I just love how dilligent he is. He always spreads his tanks, rebuilds turrets, pre splits, knows when to attack, when to retreat, doesn't overextend, knows when and what to build, etc. This man is a walking textbook.
Only three minutes in and his reaper micro is so entertaining, you forget that he has to be macroing at the same time.
What came to mind just now, is while watching the commentary live, how several of his Korean opponents mentioned that Oliveira is one of their regular training partners. Can't help but wonder if that is one of the contributing factors in him having the confidence on taking them down even though he was only rank 21 in EPT points and staying calm enough to beat Reynor after being behind 0:2 (I don't know how often they train together but they are on the same team).
Anecdote: this is the first time I've watched a "world championship" tournament, so glad I chose this one, only other tournament I bothered to watch was a DreamHack Valencia where there was a similar upset (I should watch them more often, maybe I'm the cause?), can't remember who it was but it was also a Terran who then got shut down hard by -Serral- in the end.
*Edit:* it was MarineLorD at DreamHack Open 2016, who originally thought he could go down to the beach on the last day after getting knocked out but instead 3:0ed in succession Bly, Stephano, Neeb, and Snute (who 3:0ed up-and-coming Reynor just before that) before ending in 0:4 against Nerchio. How time flies!
you know he is teaming with serral in chinese 2v2 tournament.
Back in days, he has to buy beers for innovation, TY, Byun and Dark for training. When he ask clem for practice, Clem said fuck off. No much pro do this for practice.
Because he is from China, KR players wanna prepare gsl with him now.
yea, I was a fanboy. Glad that he took the world champ. I have watched several downs in him. But He proved himself.
StarCraft version of Marciano
A long awaited champion from China when Blizzard games just shut down its servers there. Tears in all Chinese players’ eyes.
I watch a lot of your videos uThermal but I was pretty upset at the spoiler after seeing this thumbnail image and title in my feed before I finished watching the RO16. Please hide his face or just show the cup in the thumbnail so it doesn’t spoil it for others.
No self respecting Aussie would ever say "Shrimp on the barbie" they might say "Prawn on the barbie" but never shrimp
Definitely do more! You should also see if Oliveira will come on a do something silly for your channel. Everyone wants more of him and it would be fun to see him try Penguin brothers or mass ghosts.
As one of your Melbourne viewers I had a good chuckle at your shrimp on the barbie comment. I have only ever heard that expression used ironically, no one says it 😂
Reynor didn't play good that first game. I got frustrated that he sat on 4k minerals and almost no gas, he had so many bases without mining gas from them while trying to transition into Brood Lord's but couldn't due to gas shortage. He deserved that loss.
The only thing that would have made IEM better is if you would have played there.
Well, if Winter casted it also would have made it better
This was epic, please bring us more of these!
Found it!!! it's the HeroMarine vs ByuN match up, ,do a clip of that, that'd be cool to see your reaction to it!!!