The problem in cod is that a whole controller community has been tricked into believing that they are really good at aiming. As the aim assist gets stronger they will all soon realise that there is no skill gap between the most of players. At the same time activition is earning billions. It's a sad time for fps gaming.
with increased distance, the aim assist becomes almost nonexistent. Mouse and keyboard can be so much more precise. I've played counter-strike for a long time and it's a lot easier to get headshots even from long distances. With controller, it's really hard and you almost always have to just aim for the torso.
sounds to me like youre just bad at the game. multiplayer has sbmm turned on, which im sure youre aware of. even if you sucked from day one to now, your skill rating should have plummeted and you should be fragging out vs toddlers by how you describe it. i call bullshit though. you're just bad and blaming others for your lack of skill. a controller player who shares your sbmm rating is as good as you are with m&k, because thats how fucking match making works in this game. they dont have an advantage is they are on the same skill level as you with their chosen input device. your whole issue is you dont understand the aa, how it works and how to beat it with "skill." ever hear of a headshot? aa doesnt help land headshots, it helps hit center mass. if you keep coming up against controller players who can only body shot you, why dont you just shoot them in the fucking head, mr mouse and keyboard? sounds to me like you dont aim for the head, ever. youre that random kid on my destiny fireteam who never learned to shoot enemy weak spots. youre the kid that tac sprints around corners. youre the kid that gets mad when he loses firefights. as i said: skill. issue. git gud scrub.
@@ch3ckm8 aim assist in close range fights in warzone 2 is insane, pistols on controller is broken, if you are half decent you barley miss a shoot with the pistol because the aim assist follow the opponent for you.
simple: separate input in 2 servers - Controller server (all aim assist players in the same lobby) - Mouse and Keyboard server (skills player in PC Lobby Rules, no aim assist)
This is why I laugh whenever I see someone "flick" sniping with a controller, because it's SO easy to land one shot weapons with them, because the game quite literally won't let you mess up your aim. I mean the fact that this dude is saying that his only problem on controller was TRYING TO AIM, and that instead just letting the aim assist do its thing is the best way to get good results, is all that needs to be said. That's NOT aim ASSIST that's AUTO aim.
Today I as MK was spectated by some guys who I killed. I use fennec with optic. One typed in public chat: Fennec with optic... Nowadays controller players are so comfortable with their legal aimbot. And they can't even understand a good aim cannot be without seeing target. They are so used to aim without seeing target and only hold strahfing to activate the magnet aimlock. This road map of FPS game is literally a shame.
ikr YoU Don'T NeEd OpTicS It sLOWs yOuR AdS...... no, YOU don't need optics beacuse you don't need to see the target when your aimbo...assist aims for you i need optics to be able to properly stay on target, especially with some weapons with bad irons
the worst bit is when you are in panic mode - sudden appearance of enemy, or someone runnng you by, or sliding - these surprise moments are OP on controller. On m&k you have to think "wait, what is hapening right now???", but on controller its fine to just shoot.
Yeah that's probably the most OP thing about it. As it was demonstrated in this video the fact that when an enemy jumps out from behind a corner the aim assist immediately locks on to the player. A normal human reaction in that situation would be about 300ms behind unless you're expecting someone to jump out.
I started playing on mouse and keyboard recently and it felt so hard at first without aim assist, I never realized how strong aim assist was until I switched and now I see it’s way too op. I even went back on controller to see if the aim assist was as strong as everyone says and they are right it’s broken. I can’t snipe on mouse and keyboard well but on controller my sniping is amazing just cuz of aim assist.
Thats all we wish, is that controller players would take a little bit of time and try playing on mouse, so they can realize how strong AA is. That, and of course a nerf to rotational AA :P
I find sniping a lot easier on MnK but have the biggest difficulty with tracking medium range targets without missing a couple shots when they're return firing, hitting literally every shot.
The players with the aim bot are the players that are aloud to disable cross-play. Everything is a participation ribbon now adays, and the truly skilled player pays the price.
Sadly, games like this - WZ1, Fortnite, Halo etc are ruined by aim assist. I have been playing online games for 20 years with K&M. We are literally playing against software doing all the work for controller players. Unfortunately Cross play (Controllers vs K&M) is at a point where it simply isn't balanced, at all! My mates and I feel left completely cheated and deflated by the amount of amateur players wiping us out from aim assist. Even when sniping, they get no flinch. They continue to hit you with every bullet when stunned or under fire. Then we have the 'Cronus Zen' - (developed for gamers with disabilities). Now 70% of controller players are now using these devices paired with aim assist because its being sold in every shop including our super markets now! Sticky aim, no recoil etc is simply disgusting. Online cross play gaming is coming to an end for me, its unfair and not right! RIP K&M
I fully agree with you and im also in your situation. Been playing FPS games competitive since 1999, Half Life, then CS, and most big FPS games since. This current level of aim assist is comedy, it has a 0 ms delay and the tracking they get is HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE with ZERO time put in to train or practice. Just pick up a controller for the first time and theyre by default, able to track better than those of us that have 20+ YEARS EXPERIENCE practicing and playing competitive FPS games. Its fucking insulting.
@@twassell25 I can't stand how strong the AA is in MW2. Occasionally, I'll be put in a lobby with no one abusing AA and I finally get my 50+ kill games back! Sure, maybe I was having an off day, but sometimes I get these "off days" for several days in a row. It is the AA, not my aim. I do not have god-tier Shroud aim, but I am decent. Between the no recoil, tracking through stun grenades and smoke, and AA activating before you even come around a corner, it is beyond infuriating! I have to actually aim the entire time while the game gets to do half the work or more! Not to mention, the quick-scoping consistency I've seen from some controller players is beyond the accuracy of even the best CSGO pros. Absolutely disgusting. However, it is such a breath of fresh air when I get lucky enough to be put in a lobby with no AA abusers. I don't mind crossplay, just reduce the effectiveness of the AA. I do wish I could turn it off for a break sometimes. I swear, being in a lobby full of legal aimbot hackers is worse than running across an actual aimbot hacker. Its just one dude. With this AA, the whole damn lobby is aimbot hackers. Ugh!
The clip of the controller player using mnk is exactly what would happen to 99% of these controller players that think "oh, it's so much easier to use a mouse!" Yeah, okay. That's why we see controller players in Kovaaks and Aim Lab, right?
I think CoD and Halo were primarily console games for most players, so controller use was more common. In general the actual issue is crossplay not being good for either side since one must be objectively better in a capacity which creates issues that can't be mended.
MnK feels just like it does in Halo Infinite, your bullets seem to go astray with the minimal correction and the ADS is very sluggish, specially on snipers, it feels as though it has acceleration curve no matter what, it always goes slower at the beginning of the motion, then later on it feels as if ponter acceleration was turned on, it's ridiculous. And aim assist with snipers and marksman rifles is also super broken on controller, it aims for you technically and it's super sticky on moving targets. I've felt like it also has some mechanic for bullet drop compensation AA too, the shots I've landed and been killed with a controller at far away distances are extremely difficult on MnK, it just feels inconsistent.
I played almost every cod, starting from cod 2 on a mouse and keyboard, I was really great on cod MW (4), MW 2 and MW 3. These days I got back to play some cod, I’m still very good and precise but I do feel I have to work really hard to be on top. I couldn’t believe how these players aim faster than me and now I know why, I’m the only keyboard and mouse player in the whole lobby, IT SUCKS. (MW 2019) 15 of experience with the mouse and keyboard, I bet I have 100.000 hours on cod and now these kids with a controller have aim assist, it’s just not fair…
There is no way you have 100k hours in CoD. You would have to play over 11 years NON STOP. I agree with controllers ruining cod, especially in ranked matches where you're trying your best and the people on controllers have to put 30% of what you're putting to frag you. I wish they remove crossplay from ranked matches, although I feel like I will stop playing quicker, because they are making ton of money from making controller players feel superior.
The biggest problem is aim assist works through trees and brush on Warzone so people immediately know where you’re at and some sections of the multiplayer maps it also works giving away player positions in SnD
Aim assist ruins cod. People say sweats ruin cod and the cause of sweats is aim assist cuz it's just too easy to just aim with nothing negative. Kbam the quick movement and fast reactions it's impossible to beat them especially close range.
Yes kbam can be better by the skull skilling but it takes 5+ years and is only 5% of kbam population. Developers forget that kbam is not just for the best.
crossplay is one of the worst idea in fps history, is like puting a pig and a fish on a competition of climbing a tree. This is not a good example but you get me, they are the complete different thing, there is no fairness when putting both togather, fps game start doing that only because it either made profit or benefit them in some other way.
The trouble im finding and especially in warzone is once I'm zeroed in on im fucked. The issue is that once it's locked its super hard to miss, whereas on M&K i need to keep tracking my shots. Happens very often when i fire first and I should have them. Lots of others say its hard in tight situations too, easy when the controller does 70% of the work for you.
Where the aim assist really shows it’s fangs is when a KBM player uses a program to spoof a controller on their mouse, you get the precision of a mouse with the aim assist of controller, it’s truly busted
I tried that and it’s horrible bro. You need to use mouse inputs to emulate a controller and stick. It’s nothing like aiming with a mouse natively and I hated it. So I didn’t use it much. It’s not how you imagine it is now but only with aim assist added onto it. It’s a completely different way you need to play and use the peripherals.
reason why i looked up this video, saw alot of guys on PC with controllers and the aim assist is completely broken - you at a disadvantage from the get-go
A simple balance change for rotational AA is to only activate it when inputting the same direction. For example at 2:55 rotational AA should never override in the opposite direction because that is faster than the human brain can react. If instead, you had to input the opposite direction for rotational AA to take place again, that would add some skill ceiling to the input.
Not in favor of AA here, but one of the main reasons rotational exists is since there is additional delay on controller when switching your aim from one direction to the other, since you have to cross over both the smaller stick angles and the dead zone of the stick. I don’t have any better ideas, but I’m not sure that would be best
The best suggestion yet. Should not ever override the players input forcing them to get a kill they arent trying to get. It also should not have a 0 ms delay on tracking, thats humanly impossible. No human can achieve that. Why are casuals playing the game for the first time getting a 0 ms delay software for tracking players? fucking stupid
I know a better balance change, let all controller noobs with there aimbot play eachother in there lobbies. Let me play against people that actually have to aim themselves with a mouse. That would be very much appreciated.
I am a very competitive player, and it was odd to find myself constantly killed even when I first started shooting or even when going prone or jumping/rushing around corners and I couldn't understand why. I then decided to search why and now I know why, sadly this will cost them a user purchasing the game, why don't they just keep MW 2019's aim assist, it was near damn perfect!
Yeah you can really tell in the kill cams. There is 0 deviation in their aim and I'm dying obscenely quickly, it looks like cheating. This game will soon bleed pc players because I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice. You can't even turn crossplay off on PC. Not to mention console players have voice activated mics and are constantly blaring with babies crying and fans running in the background. Terrible cod experience.
I think that was when a lot of roller users complained about the "godly" mouse and keyboard players in 2019. The rotational aim assist in Cold War tipped the scales to rollers.
@@GarthVonMaraner I'd be fine with it if I could turn off crossplay, but I can't. So I'm stuck getting beamed in 0.04 seconds by what looks like someone aimbotting.
@@jackmurphy8696 yeah, watching controller rotational aim assist at work is breath taking though - I wish I could do some very fine tracking adjustments like that with the mouse but it's just not possible.
you are 100% full of shit, coming from someone who can play with both very well. they are both very fucking different, and both have very different pros and cons. i've got about 300 hours in MW2, mostly with m&k, but ive been using the controller recently to see how it fares vs m&k. my consensus is that they are both good and they both have different strengths and weaknesses. my suggestion to players is to use the input device you prefer or are most comfortable with, and thats it! SBMM will do the rest, making sure you always play against people of roughly the same skill level, no matter what device ANYBODY is using.
@@adox8574 u not right try to AIM sb who is 100m + using sticks, terrible . If u have sensitive 10+ its too fast to catch sb who is quit far away from u but if u have smaller like 3 u Cant turn around fast enough to fight with sb on your back
At least in Call of Duty yes, the aiming assistance it has is insane. But in any other game it's keyboard and mouse who would win most one on one encounters against someone with a controller.
If you play with M&K for a whole day you will get tired multiple places from the focus and the active playing. With controller you don't get tired in the same way.
for me I can play for hours and hours on mouse and keyboard because I have been doing it for years but on controller after 2 hours my fingers started hurting and for some reason my hands sweat quickly
@@yesman3209 Yeah when i play controller my hands sweat uncontrollably I think its just because you are kind of cuppin your hands around something. idk about you but I claw grip and hands rarely sweat.
@@yesman3209 i bought a controller yesterday and aim asist or not, there is no way controllers can win against k&m, the movement is freaking limited while playing with controller, you cant do shit when you are 1v3-1v2 or more, i mean ofc i do not expect to be godlike just because i hold a controller but while im playing with controller i feel like i've never played games before , and i really do not understand how people do b-hop or slide and move to be faster, after making an internet search , i found a device that you can input your controllers to the device and add some scrpit to it , when you press "w" or run with controller, the character will do the glich or slide and move, b-hop for you.I couldnt even find how they do fuking half crouch and move all the time. When i press run + crouch button my character stops in his place, people i watch on youtube they keep half crouch and move all the time.I really regret to pay for a controller after 2-3 hours playing but i will not stop till im good as much as k&m.
So I started playing warzone 2 on M&K hadn't played a shooter in a while so my many deaths were not a surprise to me. However as I got better and especially since resurgence mode was introduced I noticed I lost almost all close quarter fights head to head and even some in which I had the element of surprise. I switched to controller today and man it has massively improved my game. Now I win almost every single fight I take and only die when another player manages to sneak up on me. It's not just the aim assist that's bad it's also the way bullets are registered after shooting. With M&K accuracy is much lower than with controller (tested this in firing range). I reckon I need about twice the amount of shots with M&K to kill someone. It's honestly very much a shame the game is designed this way. All the shooters I've played in my life have been on console so far and not a lot of them had aim assist or had very minimum aim assist. It's like they wanted to buff AA to enable controller players to have the aim of MK players but it is way too much to be considered balanced.
Hey man, really nice comparisson! But there is one thing im stil wondering…. Is there also a difference in flinch? Especially while sniping it doesnt feel fair. When i get a hit while aiming, my crosshair often moves up in the Sky. So if i land a hitmarker or miss the shot a tiny bit, im done. Because of that i started tuning more into aim stability than aim down sight. I feel like you dont need to do that with a controller…. Instead you get the same or better stability with the max amount of ads. It‘s just how it feels like for me so a comparrison of the flinch would be my wish for a future video :)
I know your comment is super old but I'm just diving into the world of "no aim assist" lol I wanted to say that I agree. I practiced on some bots without AA and I felt really accurate but when I got shot, the flinch was insane. Compared to when I have AA on, the flinch is rather minimal. Interesting 🤔
I play on PC and in multiplayer i have no problem with the aim assist the consoles have. I am usually the one with the most kills/flicking around fast. It's in warzone where it really shines and is completely broken. On pc it's very hard to shoot a guy 300 meters in the sky parachuting, but console it just locks onto you and you die. So many times in warzone if i'm running away and jumping/diving, i still get locked on and die.
I think for casual playlists it's okay. For competitive modes, it's a complete joke. You cannot have players with assisted aiming software against those who do not. Mouse and Keyboard has been the input for competitive FPS since the original Doom, and become a staple since Quake 1. Its like an Olympic swimmer choosing to do doggy paddle in a freestyle event (you can swim any stroke) and being artificially buffed by adding a forward water current in the swimmer's lane as well as giving them fins, simply for "preferring" a worse stroke that other swimmers. This is why games like Halo, Apex, and Warzone are a joke to the competitive FPS community, coming from fantastic games like Counter Strike, Quake, Unreal Tournament, Rainbow Six, etc. These games are for noobs, plain and simple.
i 100% agree, why should a console player who plays 4 hours a week be able to outgun me, someone who has wasted thousands upon thousands of hours over tens, maybe even hundreds of different shooters simply because the game wants them to? It's stupid.
My guy, we are using our thumbs and a stick to aim. You guys have the surface area of an entire desk. What are you on about?? I am DYING to get a PC so I can put my controller down once and for all.
I'm around 2 k/d on mouse and keyboard. The problem I have with aim assist is that it requires one of my few braincells to focus on actual aiming, while a controller user doesn't really have to put that extra braincell on aiming and adjusting. Add the fact that movement doesn't help me in any way (strafing, dropshotting, jumping corners) as their aim will stick to me while I have to react and adjust as my aim doesn't magically move with my opponent. There's also another big problem with controllers and that is the Cronus and how easily it is available but that's another topic :D
@@epacsenur575 My very first sentence was I'm around 2 k/d so yes, I am not anything special. You might as well have commented "git gud" since that's all you had to say.
@@Jorzorful you are talking about brain cells to aim which is true but its so much difficult to precisely aim on a controller so nothing to do mate. Git gud
@@JoeMama-ty6be Now that would be true if the aim assist wasn't broken as fuck on this game. Keep trying to defend it, doesn't make a difference to me :P
Which settings did you use for the controller? I'm a K/M player, but after watching this I want to give the controller a try to see what it will do with my gameplay :)
im a kb and mouse player. I dominate the matches mostly being 1st or 2nd in K/D getting 2-4+ K/D ratio but there are other times where I get just creamed by players that corner jump and head shot me from a distance or slide and shoot perfect shots. lol. Or they get off their shot despite me firing first indicating they zoned onto my head model. or they fire from across the map and nail me without issue. making it clear their controller/game tracked me for them. the aim assist drawbacks are great against KBM players who have to manually track, predict movement of the players and precisely zone in the upper torso or head. combine that with the weird quicks of the SBMM makes for a not so fun experience. but I do get enjoyment out of making players rage when I snipe/quick scope them with a mouse. lol or get 4 kills back to back with my sniper rifle within a barely 4 second window. it's times like that make it KBM worth it.
Personally, I just couldn't get used to the overcorrecting I was doing after the aim assist moved for me. I switched to M/K and was rough at first but after about 6-8 games I really started getting used to it and was aiming way better than aim assist was doing for me. Now I can't even use controller after using one since bo1.
Console player definitely have the advantage. When I watch the kill cams of console players like it says in this video it just magnetically attracts to the player. Should be PC vs PC to be fair.
I’m m&k player and I always lost to controller in CQB so I studied my deaths Most of the time roughly 74/100 I lost the fight, here is the scenario. 2 players ran in to each other and they both didn’t ran in a linear direction, they randomly moved left-right- right -left- left -right. Here is when the aim assist took part. M&K players need to 1.predict enemy movements to follow his dot on to Enemy body which is 50:50 2. If you predict it right you pull the trigger 3. If wrong, you need to pull you dot back on to enemy body 4. At this point enemy can possibly make another move at anytime so you need to repeat step 1. All of these most likely happen in 1.5-2.3 secs For controller player. 1. Pull the trigger, that’s it. Because Aim Assist do all the prediction for you. 2. Even if you miss your aim bullet still magically hit enemy body since their FOV is 120 while M&k has only 3-5 FOV ……. So my suggestions for M&K player 1. Camp and snipe them from a far let your teammates with controllers deal with controllers 2. Soft cheat by using aimbot and extend your FOV to around 50
M&K player here and I never decided to buy MW2 exclusively for this reason; I still play cold war and the aim assist is still awful on there. Matches get reduced to a chore because at the end, the whole team shit talks you like they didn't just press two buttons and let the game play for them. Most fights are still doable, but at long range they straight up lock on.
So if I'm shooting at a guy would u just shoot and not touch the right thumb stick so I'm not messing all my shots up by controlling the right thumb stick when I engaging the enemy?
I don’t care how much easier it is with mouse and keyboard. We chose the better input device they didn’t. Why should we hold their hands? So our only advantage is our precision. Which they completely removed from Warzone 2 because no sniper will 1 hit anymore. So they get the benefit of aimbot tracking and we get to have hit markers. So fair.
After playing 13 years on knm one month back i started playing in controller and believe me its night and day on mw3 its so easy even though it took me a week to get comfortable.
Test ads-ing. Because I noticed that controller users are always spamming ads and it corrects their crosshair on the enemy... And I heard (not sure if it's true), but on apex legends controllers used to ads into buildings to check if their assists would lock on to someone. But it was early days.
now i see why its recommended for quick scope thats actually insane i will always be amazed by this and never thought it was this strong because of played some other games with aim assist but it wasnt much at all like u still required a massive amount of skill to shoot (ik because ive tried controller in these games and some of them mouse is better) but now this is just wow
Bought a pc last year and been busting my ass to get good at mnk. Mw2 has been super rough for me, and all my buddies think i have an advantage being on mnk.
This is something I'm starting to ask myself more and more, I got a gaming PC late in life and didn't really take shooters seriously on console. Now I'm a boomer and I ask myself, will I even be decent enough at KBM to make it worth using. I mean boys our life is finite, I might as well be putting no effort and getting very decent results and having fun than having to drill aim labs and kovaks 30m everyday (meaning less actual game time) to me the magic of MKB comes from it's freedom, when I pickup a controller now I feel like I'm fighting it the entire time, but it aims for me and while the experience for me is shit, the results are the same with much less effort. idk man I really wish I could be not top 1% but very good at KBM I just don't know if 1 it's possible when you're an old bastard and 2 worth it when so much of the enjoyment comes from actually having decent results.
you dont have to go crazy with aim training and all that bs. just play the game. mw2 has sbmm, so youre going to be facing people of roughly the same skill level as you no matter which input you prefer. play the game you want to play and you will have a better experience. if youre somewhat newish to the game, theres going to be a learning curve and thats normal. youll probably die a shit load for your first few matches or even the first few days, but thats still fine. the important thing is that youre learning and growing and understanding more than when you first started, and as with all things in life, the pieces will slowly come together until your core game knowledge becomes cement and you should hopefully start noticing your skill improve gradually. i started playing counterstrike 20 years ago and that shit was BRUTAL to a noob, i was lucky to end a match with 3 kills and 2 dozen deaths. thing is, the game was cool and fun and exciting, so i just kept throwing myself at that brick wall til i got good. the most important thing was that i was having fun though, because if i wasnt, i would never have kept playing til i got to the point where i was actually good at the game. that being said, ive used both inputs and i prefer kbm. against average players the controller will be the way to go as everybody is aiming for center mass, but it feels like making a tool work for you rather than the tool being an extension of your own hand. taking my thumbs off the sticks to do any action, like jumping, feels slow and awkward as well. trying to land headshots with a controller is definitely harder than with kbm as well, especially at distance - the aa will turn off if you stray too far from the player model, thus accelerating back up to normal speed and throwing your aim waaaay off from the head target, thus requiring a hard pivot back on the thumbstick which usually over-aim's past the head, again. the aa muddies up the ability to make finer aim adjustments. i had this problem in overwatch as well, where i'd zoom in with a sniper and someone jumping across my field of vision would throw my aim off from my desired target, or the magnetism would drop on my reticle and my aim would shoot off away from my target. if you do want to put in a little extra effort though, it will definitely pay off. once in a while i'll boot up 3d aim trainer on steam for about 15 minutes of practice. thats all it takes to warm up. occasionally i used to do 30 min of aim train, on controller, in overwatch - which was nice because it kept track of accuracy (and i turned on only headshots), so i could literally see on the fly if i was improving or not. in the end though, i would watch my hs accuracy slowly climb up over time, and going into a match afterwards i felt warmed up, more confident and more in tune with the game. less thinking and more doing. i only did that a handful of times though, because usually i just want to play the game for the sake of having fun. if you want to play MW2 with m&k, please do so. its your game, enjoy it the way you want to. sbmm will be sure to make sure you arent constantly outclassed, though as your skill improves, so will that of your opponents. ;) happy gaming!
Honestly, with the exception of being able to team up with my friends, I don't think they should have ever mixed the PC and console crowds. Being on PC, I get annoyed when I know they're aim assist kicked in or they slapped the right analog all the way around to 360 me. That said, I hear the screams through the mic feedback when I'm letting off crazy accurate shots one after another and the console kids think I'm hacking. (My personal favorite was when I was peaking a tiny LOS with a marksmarn rifle and a kid hit me with a shock stick immediately resulting in his face getting blown off) Maybe we wouldn't be dealing with all the inconsistent gunplay and weirdo SBMM lobbies
Dude I mostly play KBM since it feels much more loose and in control, I plugged in a controller just to check it out the other day and my god man. it's absolutely disgusting and I have no idea how anyone can call this a competitive game. The thing that shocked me the most isn't even the stick( and that's crazy) cuz I could see it on Killcams already. But the guns are pretty much no recoil it's madness
This is the general issue, you can never balance two different things. As a person who plays TF2 on PC with M&K and CoD on console with Controller, you can't balance someone with the skill of a TF2 Sniper against Aim Assist without one side being grossly OP for the majority.
@@Dragoonsoul7878 in my experience, K&B has the advantage in medium and long range engagements. Console players have the advantage when jumping around the corner and locking on while getting peak advantage.
I was a controller player on my console I bought my first pc recently, The aim so much harder but the movement is easier the problem is I do so much movement but I feel sometimes the enemies are not good at all but they kill me with aim assest. Aim assest is necessary but it feels like its OP maybe a little nerf because it's becoming the meta and yeah the movement is hard on controller but u can buy scuf controller with 2 extra buttons and it will make u insane at movement. After 1 to 2 hours my wrist start getting tired but when I was a controller player I could play for hours relaxing.
As someone who plays both controller and kbm. Kbm is way earlier in almost every scenario plus movement is way better compared to controller the only Advantage controller has is aa
I haven't played an fps shooter for 3 years until I picked up mw2. First day back I dropped 70 kills and was beaming across map, absolutely disgusting how strong AA is. Cod kids don't know how much more satisfying playing/watching comp would be on kbm. I think just toning down the aa strength 20% would be sufficient
It wouldn't even be an issue if we were able to opt out of playing against console players or even segregate input types altogether. It's not hard to see that controllers benefit greatly at closer ranges which is where most of the fights take place in games like CoD and Apex. I remember a lot of pro players even switched to controller on Fortnite purely because of how strong aim assist is when box fighting... You just shoot. If you're playing with keyboard and mouse you might as well sit at the back of the map and hold a long line of sight. I'm more than capable of holding my own against good controller players but that doesn't negate the point us PC players are trying to make... It feels incredibly cheap when you die to a controller player. You watch it back and just think you've been cheated. What's the point in putting in all this effort for better aim on mouse if you can just grab a controller and instantly stomp?
Me as a mouse and keyboard player for 30 years will speak for all us mouse and keyboard players. We understand controller players need aim assist to play a FPS game and let alone vs a player like me on mouse and keyboard I use to be a console controller player. I don't like or need aim assist on the mouse I like having my own set of skills I don't need any help Halo Infinite when I play tournaments I'm put in division 2 came in first place 2 times 2nd place 2 times 3rd place 1 time and 5th place 1 time. But when you have us on mouse and keyboard that is really good at what we do and are skill level and we lose 95% of the gun fights that should say something about how busted aim assist is now days with Crossplay. We need to react to everything on the fly in a split second why we muti task with the mouse and keyboard all at the same time right hand aims, tracks and turns us left hand works the keyboard like a piano. Pretend like you are typing but you can only can use your left hand and you can type 500 words a minute that's what we are doing not looking at the keyboard at all. Why we aim and track there is so much more then having a giant desk and moving are arm back and forth up down side to side diagonal it's not that simple as controller players think it is if it was then there will be more mouse and keyboard players then there is controller players but there is not over 3 billion consoles controller players and what maybe 100k mouse and keyboard players and 90% of the players on PC are using a controller so they don't count. But all my lobbies are controller players so yeah not fair for me doing all the work for a kill my self and I get killed by someone that just started playing video games they can beat me with little to no effort on there part because of the overpowered aim assist then it becomes like a cheat 0% reaction time and rotational aim assist witch it is soft aimbot that is what soft aimbot is all you controller players you can hook a mouse and keyboard up just like us on PC can hook a controller up no excuses give it a try and see out it turns out for you. Controllers have 2 types of aim assist it's the bot build into the controller that aims and tracks players BUT it has bullet magnetism two it will be more fair if controllers did not have bullet magnetism you guys can keep your rotational aim assist take out bullet magnetism that is the true killer for controllers us on Mouse and Keyboard will not get a single hit marker unless the center dot on the crosshair is on the enemy but you guys can get hit marker and the center dot is far from touching the enemy facts. How does bullet magnetism work? Loosely speaking, Bullet Magnetism is a game mechanic that allows a shooter to be off-target by a set number of degrees and still have a shot register as a hit. When a round is fired, instead of it going where the shooter was aiming, it instead travels off-axis to impact the target. Playing a video game using mouse and keyboard is not like using RUclips or Google. I never cared or even thought about Controller in years and the aim assist until Crossplay. Crossplay ruined gaming for us mouse and keyboard players it really feels like a cheat look even Shroud said something about aim assist he said what I say Controllers vs Mouse and Keyboard is like night and day 1000% different is every whay and they should not be mixed together. What killed gaming for me is Crossplay and the soft aimbot that is aim assist it 100% ruined competitive gaming for us mouse and keyboard players and it is 100% cheating. I have been gaming from the start of video games and got into PC gaming 30 years ago and never played on the console and the controller again nothing but mouse and keyboard no matter what game I played so I got really good 1 of the best to do it I'm still really good. My flicks and snaps are on another level and when I'm on fire for get about it you will not beat me anyone. it feels like I have around 500k games or more in my gaming life under my belt I really can't put a number on it I played or tried just about them all and if it was a FPS game I played it or tried it trust that. Just don't pin me on mouse and keyboard vs the world on controllers aim assist no 1 plays on mouse and keyboard anymore game dev's are building the games for controllers and porting them to mouse and keyboard try to fly in Warzone with a mouse and keyboard none of us M&K players do it's not built for mouse and keyboard facts it's all controller players. Now go play Battlefield 1942 and fly the DC Mod was the best it's build for mouse and keyboard and not controller. Aim assist when it is this overpowered is in no matter in what way, shape, or form you look at it Aim Assist is a crutch and training wheels and it carries every player to a win or ranked nothing more. Controller Players love to defend Aim Assist "because it gives you skill" no it doesn't. It's a crutch plain and simple. So all these tournaments do you see any mouse and keyboard players no they are a dying breed mouse and keyboard players we are the players built different well us really good players all you controller players are built the same aim assist is what makes you. And all controller players say switch why should I change to controller when I been gaming on mouse and keyboard 30 years I like having my own set of skills at aiming, tracking, flicking, snapping and everything I do on the mouse and that is just some of the mouse skills using a keyboard is a different set of skills on the left hand I take pride in my kills when it is a insane kill but nothing new for me I been doing it 30 years. You controller players hook a mouse and keyboard up to your console or PC and see for your self just how much different the 2 inputs really are it is like night and day 1000% different in everyway and should not be mixed together at all let alone in a competitive First Person Shooters. I'm working for a kill why the 0% reaction time and rotational aim assist and bullet magnetism witch it really is soft aimbot does the work for you. Console has a 0.6 value factor for aim assist, aka, 60% for every millisecond you aim at your target. On PC, that value is 0.4, or 40%. That's a different of 0.2, 20%, meaning console has a total of 50% higher aim assist value than PC does so shut up with PC has stronger aim assist Controller are for little boys and mouse and keyboard is for the BIG DOGS.. I'm a TOP 1% Mouse and Keyboard player have been 30 years nothing new. With Warzone when I shoot I can't see shit so much recoil, smoke, heat haze, dust effects all at the time it is blinding when us on mouse and keyboard need to see you to aim and track. And I even said it back in the days I will destroy controller players if they ever was in my match so they Crossplayed games now days and gave controller players soft aimbot with 2 types of aim assist rotational aim assist with 0% reaction time and bullet magnetism that is what soft aimbot is but the true killer for controller players is bullet magnetism take out bullet magnetism you guys will need to have to aim more on target and not be 5 feet off target and still get a hit marker. All you console controller players go play any game that is not Crossplay and come tell me how the aim assist is vs all Crossplay games it is like night and day it's that different. They gave you guys crazy OP soft aimbot and they called it aim assist because of players like me on mouse and keyboard in all Crossplay games. It is in the name aimbot had a baby and they called it aim assist it uses the same type of code to work that's why kill cams everyone looks like they are cheating that is what soft aimbot fine tuned looks like. And Crossplay ruined competitive gaming and gaming point blank for me I'm working for all my kills and aim assist does the work for controller players just have ok or good centering maybe a little stick drift and aim assist does the hard work for you that is what a shooter is made off of aiming and tracking right. Just give me Mouse and Keyboard only lobbies and I will be happy at least that way it all comes down to skill who is the better player who has the most set of skills wins games. I just like it if they had to work as hard as I do for a kill or what ever the case is M&K vs M&K it all comes down to are own set of skills we no and learn and adapt to how other players are playing if they are good change your playstyle up on the fly you will win every time. Us top 1% pro level M&K players some of us have multiple different playstyles it all depends on how the enemy team and players are playing before we can switch it up and play different and still be aggressive the aggressive don't change just the way I play will change.. Don't be mad at me for the facts Controller vs Mouse and Keyboard have 100% different mind sets on gaming. We play to be the best and test are skills you play just to play in your bed. How can anyone say different you will try. Not all mouse and keyboard players are good only a select few of us that put time and years into it I'm a top 1% Mouse and Keyboard player. There is my 2cents on the matter.
they def buffed the aim assist for this game. I remember in MW 2019, no body was using controllers to play warzone. Most completive players on twitch were using mouse and keyboard. Now everybody is almost using controllers . They should revert the aim assist back to MW 2019. Its way OP in this game
@@marksouthall3871 Yeah can you imagine making it even worse. I get that MK offers more precise aiming than console as there is smaller risk of overaiming your target (moving to far with your aim). But they overcompensated it way too much with such generous aim assist. Switched to controller today and the difference is striking. It's almost like playing GTA singleplayer mode with full aim assist, just press L2 and all your shots will land.
i used to be really good for my standard on my xbox 360... sometimes nuclear ( 30 kills without dying etc ) but normally i was avarage. never really on the bottom and sometimes on the top of the scoreboard. i could never get into m/k even tho i am a pc gamer by heart ( world of warcraft etc since 2004 ) , now i play shooters with m/k still avarage and i completely lost how to play with controller xD its funny when i think about it.... somewere without noticing i switched
As someone who has played mouse and keyboard and a controller. It’s hard to turn around with good reflexes even with highest sensitivity on a controller to kill multiple people in different angles in 1 go. On a mouse I feel like it’s so much easier to be flexible plus don’t forget depending on your set up your looking at 120fps to 280fps or even the FOV is op. But that’s just my Non bias opinion.
I'm gonna take a wild guess that you don't actually have much mouse experience in cod. Console has 120fps and fov btw. Only console players think higher frames are winning you gunfights.
@@TheKushSkywalker if you change your setting for FOV on console your 120 fps reduces, which means your capped at 120 fps or less no matter what. If you have $$ that’s no problem for pc. Also your whole hand to aim versus just a thumb. 🤷🏻♂️ Again this is just my experiences so you can’t really tell me otherwise
@@TheKushSkywalker and i started playing cod on mouse and keyboard from cod 4 to like the old modern warfare 2 then went to console for a bit and now it’s just mixed. Main thing is with mouse and keyboard I feel I play better but it’s a lot more intense but on controller I feel more relaxed and can lean back a little instead of sweating
@@kadsman based off what you're saying I think you are lying/exageratting your experience on mnk and would be shocked if you played more tha 2 games on it in your life. If you did you would know the arguments you are making are not as applicable as you think they are. I can't imagine anyone with real experience on mnk making the arm argument unironically.
Thank god for all those godlike comments. I was about to install wz2 but saw how aim assist is still a cheat code vs mnk. Not gonna waste my time on that bs being frustrated as hell. Cheers
It would be amazing if developers of FPS games made it to where MnK could have just enough aim assist to be on the same level as controller players. Obviously, don't make the aim assist as strong as the controller but make it so PC players can have an easier time against controller players. Right now, I struggle against them, especially during close-quarters fights, and games such as CoD don't have nearly enough MnK players to try and match you with players using the same input.
Raw input wise, i’d agree that mnk has a higher skill ceiling since there’s more skills to learn and more control over your aim. But, in a game like warzone (both 1 and 2), using the same aim assist with more tracking involved, controller really does rival mnk in the top 1%, if not dominating mnk both in terms of numbers of players and tournament placements, with a few exceptions with a handful of mnk players. Edit: i guess you said the same thing about apex
_"in terms of tracking, pc players have a disadvantage"_ My nephew (14 y/o) and I (50 y/o) disagree. To my surprise, he plays cod with mouse & keyboard on his PS4 because, according to him, it's easier to stay on target.
Did you watch this video? Why do most of the players in the top 250 of ranked are controller. I’m on keyboard and mouse and I pulled out my old scuff for 2 games of shipment and my aim was better than my aim on keyboard and I run aim labs a lot. The only thing worse was my movement but I never use a controller for any game anymore so I’m not used to using sticks. But you should really try a controller and see.
@@WrongSpades Me being limited on place, I'm not able to play with kb&m right now. So, I've been playing with a controller for the passed year or so (PC, not console). And, I know first hand that the _Aim Assist_ is not what people make it out to be. Aim assist screws me more than helps. Making small adjustments to aim on controller is frustrating. With that said, there are benefits to playing with a controller. Movement? YES (depending on your play style). But Aiming? As far as I'm concerned, it's definitely not one of them.
@@beardo-baggins Please go on keyboard and mouse and try hipfiring or any gunfight up close. The only thing pc is better at is flicking and long kills. I’m making the switch back to controller first day today and I’m at the top of every leaderboard playing on a new input.
@@WrongSpades I'm happy for you. It doesn't change anything for me tho. Aim assist doesn't help me. 🤔Maybe a lot of those top 250 ranked players that are on controller, are also using a Cronus device.
@@beardo-baggins just look at every cdl pro. They are forced to play on controller and multiple of them are in the top 250 and they get pc checks done for their online games and in majors,they are in person in front of people on a random computer so no using a zen.
thats the correlation you came up with? LMAO!!! you must be new to cod. many veteran players dont use optics because thats a mod slot that can be used for recoil or faster ads speed, and many of the iron sights work perfectly fine. the AK... i mean, kostov series is a good example. the iron sights are small, clean and non-obstructive; which means i can use all 5 mod slots to tune my gun to my perfect preference. so, no, you are completely wrong about scopes and any correlation to aim assist. if you havent played with both input types, you shouldnt even speak up on the matter. what does anyone have to gain if you speak from a position of absolute ignorance?
I moved away from controller to M&K. I literally can't go back, I like mw2 and warzone 2 but every game I play I can tell when other player's take a combat advantage away from me due to aim assist turning the tide for them.
I've played with MKB all my life and I do notice the aim assist from the console players but not in the way that it irritates me heavily. For example while Quick scoping i'm mostly winning a duel before the other player notices. But yeah...on MKB you don't get any assist at all. It's all about training to have a decent or good aim.
O Aydan sem aim assist não durou 1 tentativa em uma partida até ligar ele de novo. O Flemys é o único cara que eu vejo que tem coragem de jogar partidas inteiras sem aim assist, mas é um acontecimento singular. Fale o que quiser, o aim assiste é um robô e funciona 100% das vezes que ele é acionado, é previsível e te torna consistente, por isso que quando jogo de controle eu não tenho medo de morrer, a confiança aumenta. O mouse tem a sua vantagem que é a de fazer um flick rápido entre dois oponentes distantes, mas é basicamente isso. Vemos que bons jogadores de controle conseguem replicar as outras movimentações. O aim assist deve existir sim! Mas não da forma que é! No entanto isso nunca vai acontecer, porque o dinheiro fala mais alto.
As a kid i tried to play some medal of honor and found aiming to be atrocious on controler, only ever used mouse+kb. my personal opinion is that for FPS games specifically mouse+kb is king, it is the true display of skill... This soft aimbot controller BS is just a meme for shooters and IMO takes away integrity from the game.
im 27 yo gamer, I spend my whole gaming years with m&k but I think I will switch to controller. I just dont want to sit in front of a screen anymore, I wannna lie down and relax when im playin.
The most contradicting conclusion of this whole thing is that the controller was designed for gaming, while M&K was not.. This means that it's truly much more difficult to game on M&K than it is on controller, yet controllers (which again were literally designed for gaming) need as much assistance as possible. As someone who deals with hyperhidrosis, I prefer M&K because it keeps my hands from sweating so much.. I'm a pretty good player on M&K, but when I jump over to the controller, I immediately become almost unstoppable. It's truly ridiculous.
If they want to give the kids on console a watered down version of the game and a stupid amount of aim assist, go right ahead but it’s the mixing of inputs that I don’t understand. I get into a lobby and 95% of the time, I’m the only person on mouse and key. My buddy has been telling me the game was built for controller so they get all the advantage but I had no idea it was this bad until watching this video. I thought it just slowed the sim down when the crosshair passes over a player. With playing mouse and key, I feel like I can acquire targets much faster than most people with a controller, but for me where the controller would help is keeping aim on target when the recoil gets squirrelly.
MWIII Aim Assist will be much less powerful, i've seen it. Most of the "good" controller players will have a bad awakening :D I wish there was an option like in GTA Online where you can choose if you want aim assist lobbies or not. I don't care if you use a controller to play but i wanna have the choice to not play with aim assist monkeys.
A very easy answer to this argument: the pointing stick Remember pointing sticks on laptops? Didn't really last that long because it's so inefficient and hard to use. Trackpad and mouse are superior by miles and miles than an analog stick.
i know other pc players get this feeling with cod, in a game like csgo where theres a cheater trying to hide his cheats and u don't wana call him out because maybe he's just a goat. then someone calls him out and he goes blaytant. every death to me in cod feels like that when i die to console players. and that's why i can't play cod anymore. aim assist feels like aimbot. and it's not just the average players who has problems with aim assist pro players do too.
youre just bad, face it. mw2 utilizes sbmm, which means even if you are bad, youll only be fighting against other bad players. you cant make excuses and blame controllers, because even with aim assist, youre all bad at the level of ELO you reside at. then of course youre making ignorant statements like "pro players have problems with aim assist too." youre no pro. you dont know pros. you dont speak for pro gamers. shut up. its obvious to me that youre just making excuses and blaming others for your lack of skill. instead of crying about it online, maybe go practice and oh idunno, git gud scrub!
@@TheMarcosvolta did i say i was a pro player, even shroud said aim assist is the same thing as cheating when someone asked him about nadia lmao. it's okay to feel butthurt knowing the truth that your handicapped with your little aim assist.
Yes it is very broken. I'm appalled that people bother to use help in games. Doesn't all the fun fall off? A big problem is that if there is help for one piece of equipment, there must also be help for all the other equipment. COD chooses itself it must only be controller supported games and I don't know why they don't remove aim assist so we can all play COD
Let's be real, without aim assist using a joystick instead of a mouse would be a pain in the ass, not even training. Anyway, it only give a small BIAS, then good players would reach that BIAS easely.
look i play on console and pc and consoles have an advantage period. i been playing with a keyboard and mouse for about 2 months and no matter what there is no winning against aim assist. if they wanted to make things on a more equal footing they should add aim assist for everyone. didnt spend 4k on a high end pc just to connect a controller to it, if i wanted to use a controller i would just play on my console.
Easy conclusión check how many players reach the peak top tier on competitive CSGO with M&K and are succesfull and check how many randoms twitch streamers are "PRO" in Call Of Duty
you want to compare top cs players with random twitch streamers on cod? what point are you actually trying to make here, because it sounds to me like you have no fucking clue what youre even trying to say.
Aim assist was broken from MW2019 onwards, its just they slowed MW2 down so much you cant even use any type of movement to get away from aim assist. It locks on from 0ms and stays on target like an aimbot, It takes years and years to track like that on MnK and even then you will still have X ms reaction time to consider.
My opinion is that there is nothing proffessional about letting a machine help you aim therefor it hurts me to see these top streamers call themselves "warzone pros". for casual gaming - i don't care but i only respect the ones using a mouse because it's just all skill and no help from A.I. I also belive those who cut corners are the ones who have no problem using wallhacks and no recoil scripts or devices because they care about placement, not self-progress.
Saw this on my feed, I want to point out that for a game like rainbow six, there is no aim assist and the top controller players are very skilled at what they do.
ive played like 1000 hours of bo2 back on the ps3 and mw2/mw3/mw/waw and also played pc at the time. now im mostly pc and i feel like the aim assist has cranked up to 500% i never felt like it was this strong ever. Ive been killed by kids whos aim tracks me through the fucking wall or objects. basically aimbot
As a controller player for about 20 years. Please allow me to tell you how it actually is. First, yes, I do agree, at a closer range it is quite a bit unfair / too strong. However, past that range, it does get quite difficult and the strength of the aim assist begins to weaken. If you notice in the MW2 settings, theres different types of aim assist. "Black Ops" seems to be the most favored, to me it just feels really spongy, difficult for snipers but easy for automatics. Focus is similar and seems to actually be helpful for players new to analog aiming. Precision is what I used to souly use, it was pretty nice for sniping, the assist is pretty strong right towards the center torso. Now, I know some of you are prolly already thinking "yep see its broken" .. A few days ago my friend convinced me to order a M&K to try out on my xbox. So while thats on the way, I decided to practice on bots with NO aim assist on .. I was dog water. But I knew immediately why. Controller players absolutely suck at staying on target for a long period of time. Thats fact, also why we make great snipers. Also why so many ppl are stoked for this next mw3 cod. With the health increase, its gonna be quite interesting to see controller players trying to keep up with the movement and stay on target. I know i was struggling just a tad. Anyway, I turned my sensitivity down to 4-4 in order to stay on target comfortably .. on controller, I'm used to playing 12-12 which is pretty insane, and not bad for sniping with aim assist on. After about an hour of practining on bots, I was able to go up to 7-7 sensitivity. I noticed a massive help to my aim. I could stay on target without other targets taking my aim away. Despite all these other harsh opinions about aim assist, to me its more of hinderance. Once i got used to it being off, it felt like i had removed the training wheels. It was like going from driving a car to riding a motorcycle. Risky and scary and raw 🤌🏼 I literally felt like a streamer with how quickly I felt the improvment. Never going back to aim assist, cant wait to to get into the PC world. Why? Aim assist has one major fault imo, if youre aiming at a target (range doesnt really matter) and another enemy walks/runs across your aim, it will totally ruin your shot, and may even be the reason you die. In cod, I cant tell tou how many times that was the case for myself. So now im gonna keep training my muscle memory for no aim assist. I hope someone likes this so others will see. Aim assist still certainly doesn't beat m&k imo, its just the skill of the player. But I do agree its a bit unfair in closer range scenarios, however pc players with really good movement can typically work around that
Also, there really is no "if you use minimal input and just let the aim assist do its thing, it auto aims for you.." ABSOLUTELY WRONG. The guy is on like 3 or 4 sensitivity in the video, of course the aim assist will appear strong af, but he still won't be able to kill a cracked PC kid with that sens. I played at 12-12 on controller with AA turned on, try that using an M4, and tell me it's still too strong. Then turn it off and stay at that same sens. Your argument will shatter. Your ultimate potential is better without aim assist! (Not trying to create conflict, just stating my thoughts on the matter)
Long story short: mouse has a lower skill floor and a higher skill ceiling. If you're extremely good you'll be able to beat anyone, but the average mouse player is at a considerable disadvantage against the average controller player.
The problem in cod is that a whole controller community has been tricked into believing that they are really good at aiming. As the aim assist gets stronger they will all soon realise that there is no skill gap between the most of players. At the same time activition is earning billions. It's a sad time for fps gaming.
with increased distance, the aim assist becomes almost nonexistent. Mouse and keyboard can be so much more precise. I've played counter-strike for a long time and it's a lot easier to get headshots even from long distances. With controller, it's really hard and you almost always have to just aim for the torso.
sounds to me like youre just bad at the game. multiplayer has sbmm turned on, which im sure youre aware of. even if you sucked from day one to now, your skill rating should have plummeted and you should be fragging out vs toddlers by how you describe it. i call bullshit though. you're just bad and blaming others for your lack of skill. a controller player who shares your sbmm rating is as good as you are with m&k, because thats how fucking match making works in this game. they dont have an advantage is they are on the same skill level as you with their chosen input device. your whole issue is you dont understand the aa, how it works and how to beat it with "skill." ever hear of a headshot? aa doesnt help land headshots, it helps hit center mass. if you keep coming up against controller players who can only body shot you, why dont you just shoot them in the fucking head, mr mouse and keyboard? sounds to me like you dont aim for the head, ever. youre that random kid on my destiny fireteam who never learned to shoot enemy weak spots. youre the kid that tac sprints around corners. youre the kid that gets mad when he loses firefights. as i said: skill. issue.
git gud scrub.
@@ch3ckm8 yeah, but you’re talking about cs go aim assist, which is completely different from mw2 aim assist
@@wojak7344 what aim assist? i don't think counter strike has aim assist lol. Played way before cs go
@@ch3ckm8 aim assist in close range fights in warzone 2 is insane, pistols on controller is broken, if you are half decent you barley miss a shoot with the pistol because the aim assist follow the opponent for you.
simple: separate input in 2 servers
- Controller server (all aim assist players in the same lobby)
- Mouse and Keyboard server (skills player in PC Lobby Rules, no aim assist)
I was thinking about that the other day
I was talk about this like 5 years ago about all games.
THANK YOU.
It was like this already in Warzone. Good luck finding a game with pc players only, sadly most people play cod on console :/
M&K players have been forcing to quit. Not enough M&K players anymore.
This is why I laugh whenever I see someone "flick" sniping with a controller, because it's SO easy to land one shot weapons with them, because the game quite literally won't let you mess up your aim.
I mean the fact that this dude is saying that his only problem on controller was TRYING TO AIM, and that instead just letting the aim assist do its thing is the best way to get good results, is all that needs to be said. That's NOT aim ASSIST that's AUTO aim.
Today I as MK was spectated by some guys who I killed. I use fennec with optic. One typed in public chat: Fennec with optic...
Nowadays controller players are so comfortable with their legal aimbot. And they can't even understand a good aim cannot be without seeing target. They are so used to aim without seeing target and only hold strahfing to activate the magnet aimlock. This road map of FPS game is literally a shame.
it is beyond Dog****. Dark times for multiplayer gaming, i'm so disappointed in devs and publishers that think this is ok!!!!!!!!!!!!
ikr YoU Don'T NeEd OpTicS It sLOWs yOuR AdS......
no, YOU don't need optics beacuse you don't need to see the target when your aimbo...assist aims for you
i need optics to be able to properly stay on target, especially with some weapons with bad irons
the worst bit is when you are in panic mode - sudden appearance of enemy, or someone runnng you by, or sliding - these surprise moments are OP on controller. On m&k you have to think "wait, what is hapening right now???", but on controller its fine to just shoot.
Yeah that's probably the most OP thing about it. As it was demonstrated in this video the fact that when an enemy jumps out from behind a corner the aim assist immediately locks on to the player. A normal human reaction in that situation would be about 300ms behind unless you're expecting someone to jump out.
I love watching people perfectly track your head but not shoot because they don't know what's happening
My god, it's so much worse on SnD because the kids there are already fucking cracked as it is.
aim assist is for dumb gamers , real issue is the nerds abusing aim assist made of casual playeers
this is so treu hahah 100% agreed
I started playing on mouse and keyboard recently and it felt so hard at first without aim assist, I never realized how strong aim assist was until I switched and now I see it’s way too op. I even went back on controller to see if the aim assist was as strong as everyone says and they are right it’s broken. I can’t snipe on mouse and keyboard well but on controller my sniping is amazing just cuz of aim assist.
CoD literally tricked controller players to think they're amazing. One match in CS:GO or Rainbow Six and they're back to reality.
Yeah but also you’ve probably been playing on controller most of your life you gotta play on mouse for a similar time as well to compare it equally
Thats all we wish, is that controller players would take a little bit of time and try playing on mouse, so they can realize how strong AA is. That, and of course a nerf to rotational AA :P
I find sniping a lot easier on MnK but have the biggest difficulty with tracking medium range targets without missing a couple shots when they're return firing, hitting literally every shot.
@@OlderThanAverageGamer yeah that's the problem, they won't miss and you will
Sanctioned aimbot. Give us the ability to avoid controller or aimbot players at least with a option toggle.
Thats all we want, i dont know why they ddnt done the option before, its not that hard and necessary, aim assist is a fking aim bot, thats just unfair
I play kbm and play against controller kid all day and wreck but again I put in the hours on kbm and have been playing kbm for years.
The players with the aim bot are the players that are aloud to disable cross-play. Everything is a participation ribbon now adays, and the truly skilled player pays the price.
I posted this as a steam review and am still getting hate messages from controller players on my steam profile lmao.
@@mathiasdx3640its like admitting the aim assit is aoft aimbot
Sadly, games like this - WZ1, Fortnite, Halo etc are ruined by aim assist. I have been playing online games for 20 years with K&M. We are literally playing against software doing all the work for controller players. Unfortunately Cross play (Controllers vs K&M) is at a point where it simply isn't balanced, at all! My mates and I feel left completely cheated and deflated by the amount of amateur players wiping us out from aim assist. Even when sniping, they get no flinch. They continue to hit you with every bullet when stunned or under fire.
Then we have the 'Cronus Zen' - (developed for gamers with disabilities). Now 70% of controller players are now using these devices paired with aim assist because its being sold in every shop including our super markets now! Sticky aim, no recoil etc is simply disgusting. Online cross play gaming is coming to an end for me, its unfair and not right! RIP K&M
fortnite has a normal aim assist, but in warzone the aim assist just sticks to everyone
I fully agree with you and im also in your situation. Been playing FPS games competitive since 1999, Half Life, then CS, and most big FPS games since. This current level of aim assist is comedy, it has a 0 ms delay and the tracking they get is HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE with ZERO time put in to train or practice. Just pick up a controller for the first time and theyre by default, able to track better than those of us that have 20+ YEARS EXPERIENCE practicing and playing competitive FPS games. Its fucking insulting.
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I can't stand how strong the AA is in MW2. Occasionally, I'll be put in a lobby with no one abusing AA and I finally get my 50+ kill games back! Sure, maybe I was having an off day, but sometimes I get these "off days" for several days in a row. It is the AA, not my aim.
I do not have god-tier Shroud aim, but I am decent. Between the no recoil, tracking through stun grenades and smoke, and AA activating before you even come around a corner, it is beyond infuriating! I have to actually aim the entire time while the game gets to do half the work or more! Not to mention, the quick-scoping consistency I've seen from some controller players is beyond the accuracy of even the best CSGO pros. Absolutely disgusting.
However, it is such a breath of fresh air when I get lucky enough to be put in a lobby with no AA abusers. I don't mind crossplay, just reduce the effectiveness of the AA. I do wish I could turn it off for a break sometimes. I swear, being in a lobby full of legal aimbot hackers is worse than running across an actual aimbot hacker. Its just one dude. With this AA, the whole damn lobby is aimbot hackers. Ugh!
The clip of the controller player using mnk is exactly what would happen to 99% of these controller players that think "oh, it's so much easier to use a mouse!" Yeah, okay. That's why we see controller players in Kovaaks and Aim Lab, right?
yeah man they spend tens of thousands of hours in aimlabs to get that great accuracy result they have!
/s
I think CoD and Halo were primarily console games for most players, so controller use was more common.
In general the actual issue is crossplay not being good for either side since one must be objectively better in a capacity which creates issues that can't be mended.
lets take out the skill part of aiming so people practicing 25 years no longer play, watch twitch, or even have respect for the industry.
simple solution, let people be able to turn of crossplay AND make sure people can't use aim assist on PC. Problem solved.
MnK feels just like it does in Halo Infinite, your bullets seem to go astray with the minimal correction and the ADS is very sluggish, specially on snipers, it feels as though it has acceleration curve no matter what, it always goes slower at the beginning of the motion, then later on it feels as if ponter acceleration was turned on, it's ridiculous. And aim assist with snipers and marksman rifles is also super broken on controller, it aims for you technically and it's super sticky on moving targets. I've felt like it also has some mechanic for bullet drop compensation AA too, the shots I've landed and been killed with a controller at far away distances are extremely difficult on MnK, it just feels inconsistent.
I played almost every cod, starting from cod 2 on a mouse and keyboard, I was really great on cod MW (4), MW 2 and MW 3. These days I got back to play some cod, I’m still very good and precise but I do feel I have to work really hard to be on top. I couldn’t believe how these players aim faster than me and now I know why, I’m the only keyboard and mouse player in the whole lobby, IT SUCKS. (MW 2019)
15 of experience with the mouse and keyboard, I bet I have 100.000 hours on cod and now these kids with a controller have aim assist, it’s just not fair…
There is no way you have 100k hours in CoD. You would have to play over 11 years NON STOP. I agree with controllers ruining cod, especially in ranked matches where you're trying your best and the people on controllers have to put 30% of what you're putting to frag you. I wish they remove crossplay from ranked matches, although I feel like I will stop playing quicker, because they are making ton of money from making controller players feel superior.
The biggest problem is aim assist works through trees and brush on Warzone so people immediately know where you’re at and some sections of the multiplayer maps it also works giving away player positions in SnD
Aim assist ruins cod. People say sweats ruin cod and the cause of sweats is aim assist cuz it's just too easy to just aim with nothing negative. Kbam the quick movement and fast reactions it's impossible to beat them especially close range.
People say they want realistic well in real life we don't have softaim
Yes kbam can be better by the skull skilling but it takes 5+ years and is only 5% of kbam population. Developers forget that kbam is not just for the best.
Bc the average player is on control and they cater to noobs
@@suzuya0 the game is designed for console players it always has been why do PC players get they panties in a bunch go play gta or something role play
@@jamesstrange6494 bro literally Scump,
One of the BEST cod players, said aim assist is broken. Youre bad people complain for a reason
crossplay is one of the worst idea in fps history, is like puting a pig and a fish on a competition of climbing a tree. This is not a good example but you get me, they are the complete different thing, there is no fairness when putting both togather, fps game start doing that only because it either made profit or benefit them in some other way.
What? No dude crossplay is awesome. İf you don’t like it just turn it off and stop crying.
@@badmotherfucker6328 the problem is that you can't turn it off in MW2
The trouble im finding and especially in warzone is once I'm zeroed in on im fucked. The issue is that once it's locked its super hard to miss, whereas on M&K i need to keep tracking my shots. Happens very often when i fire first and I should have them. Lots of others say its hard in tight situations too, easy when the controller does 70% of the work for you.
Where the aim assist really shows it’s fangs is when a KBM player uses a program to spoof a controller on their mouse, you get the precision of a mouse with the aim assist of controller, it’s truly busted
Hell I never thought something like that would exist o.o
I tried that and it’s horrible bro. You need to use mouse inputs to emulate a controller and stick. It’s nothing like aiming with a mouse natively and I hated it. So I didn’t use it much. It’s not how you imagine it is now but only with aim assist added onto it. It’s a completely different way you need to play and use the peripherals.
reason why i looked up this video, saw alot of guys on PC with controllers and the aim assist is completely broken - you at a disadvantage from the get-go
A simple balance change for rotational AA is to only activate it when inputting the same direction. For example at 2:55 rotational AA should never override in the opposite direction because that is faster than the human brain can react. If instead, you had to input the opposite direction for rotational AA to take place again, that would add some skill ceiling to the input.
Or allow pc to not play with controllers, which every game conveniently removes now.
@@ex5659 Yes 100%. The only reason they do it is the same reason P2W Games have F2P Players to flex on.
Not in favor of AA here, but one of the main reasons rotational exists is since there is additional delay on controller when switching your aim from one direction to the other, since you have to cross over both the smaller stick angles and the dead zone of the stick. I don’t have any better ideas, but I’m not sure that would be best
The best suggestion yet. Should not ever override the players input forcing them to get a kill they arent trying to get. It also should not have a 0 ms delay on tracking, thats humanly impossible. No human can achieve that. Why are casuals playing the game for the first time getting a 0 ms delay software for tracking players? fucking stupid
I know a better balance change, let all controller noobs with there aimbot play eachother in there lobbies. Let me play against people that actually have to aim themselves with a mouse. That would be very much appreciated.
I am a very competitive player, and it was odd to find myself constantly killed even when I first started shooting or even when going prone or jumping/rushing around corners and I couldn't understand why. I then decided to search why and now I know why, sadly this will cost them a user purchasing the game, why don't they just keep MW 2019's aim assist, it was near damn perfect!
Yeah you can really tell in the kill cams. There is 0 deviation in their aim and I'm dying obscenely quickly, it looks like cheating. This game will soon bleed pc players because I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice. You can't even turn crossplay off on PC. Not to mention console players have voice activated mics and are constantly blaring with babies crying and fans running in the background. Terrible cod experience.
I think that was when a lot of roller users complained about the "godly" mouse and keyboard players in 2019. The rotational aim assist in Cold War tipped the scales to rollers.
@@GarthVonMaraner I'd be fine with it if I could turn off crossplay, but I can't. So I'm stuck getting beamed in 0.04 seconds by what looks like someone aimbotting.
@@jackmurphy8696 yeah, watching controller rotational aim assist at work is breath taking though - I wish I could do some very fine tracking adjustments like that with the mouse but it's just not possible.
@@GarthVonMaraner aim training bro
Very good objective analysis of the topic. You've earned a new sub.
You explain extremely well - thank you for this :)
the controller is 100% better coming from someone who can play with both very well
yea no shat lol you have literal aim bot with controller. You don't even have to aim anymore.
you are 100% full of shit, coming from someone who can play with both very well.
they are both very fucking different, and both have very different pros and cons.
i've got about 300 hours in MW2, mostly with m&k, but ive been using the controller recently to see how it fares vs m&k. my consensus is that they are both good and they both have different strengths and weaknesses. my suggestion to players is to use the input device you prefer or are most comfortable with, and thats it! SBMM will do the rest, making sure you always play against people of roughly the same skill level, no matter what device ANYBODY is using.
@@adox8574 u not right try to AIM sb who is 100m + using sticks, terrible . If u have sensitive 10+ its too fast to catch sb who is quit far away from u but if u have smaller like 3 u Cant turn around fast enough to fight with sb on your back
At least in Call of Duty yes, the aiming assistance it has is insane. But in any other game it's keyboard and mouse who would win most one on one encounters against someone with a controller.
If you play with M&K for a whole day you will get tired multiple places from the focus and the active playing. With controller you don't get tired in the same way.
Nah
for me I can play for hours and hours on mouse and keyboard because I have been doing it for years but on controller after 2 hours my fingers started hurting and for some reason my hands sweat quickly
@@yesman3209 Yeah when i play controller my hands sweat uncontrollably I think its just because you are kind of cuppin your hands around something. idk about you but I claw grip and hands rarely sweat.
@@yesman3209 i bought a controller yesterday and aim asist or not, there is no way controllers can win against k&m, the movement is freaking limited while playing with controller, you cant do shit when you are 1v3-1v2 or more, i mean ofc i do not expect to be godlike just because i hold a controller but while im playing with controller i feel like i've never played games before , and i really do not understand how people do b-hop or slide and move to be faster, after making an internet search , i found a device that you can input your controllers to the device and add some scrpit to it , when you press "w" or run with controller, the character will do the glich or slide and move, b-hop for you.I couldnt even find how they do fuking half crouch and move all the time. When i press run + crouch button my character stops in his place, people i watch on youtube they keep half crouch and move all the time.I really regret to pay for a controller after 2-3 hours playing but i will not stop till im good as much as k&m.
Aim assist doesn't belong in competitive play, keep it for casual modes... This is the only balancing I ask for.
So I started playing warzone 2 on M&K hadn't played a shooter in a while so my many deaths were not a surprise to me. However as I got better and especially since resurgence mode was introduced I noticed I lost almost all close quarter fights head to head and even some in which I had the element of surprise. I switched to controller today and man it has massively improved my game. Now I win almost every single fight I take and only die when another player manages to sneak up on me. It's not just the aim assist that's bad it's also the way bullets are registered after shooting. With M&K accuracy is much lower than with controller (tested this in firing range). I reckon I need about twice the amount of shots with M&K to kill someone. It's honestly very much a shame the game is designed this way. All the shooters I've played in my life have been on console so far and not a lot of them had aim assist or had very minimum aim assist. It's like they wanted to buff AA to enable controller players to have the aim of MK players but it is way too much to be considered balanced.
Hey man, really nice comparisson! But there is one thing im stil wondering…. Is there also a difference in flinch? Especially while sniping it doesnt feel fair. When i get a hit while aiming, my crosshair often moves up in the Sky. So if i land a hitmarker or miss the shot a tiny bit, im done. Because of that i started tuning more into aim stability than aim down sight. I feel like you dont need to do that with a controller…. Instead you get the same or better stability with the max amount of ads.
It‘s just how it feels like for me so a comparrison of the flinch would be my wish for a future video :)
I know your comment is super old but I'm just diving into the world of "no aim assist" lol I wanted to say that I agree. I practiced on some bots without AA and I felt really accurate but when I got shot, the flinch was insane. Compared to when I have AA on, the flinch is rather minimal. Interesting 🤔
I play on PC and in multiplayer i have no problem with the aim assist the consoles have. I am usually the one with the most kills/flicking around fast. It's in warzone where it really shines and is completely broken. On pc it's very hard to shoot a guy 300 meters in the sky parachuting, but console it just locks onto you and you die. So many times in warzone if i'm running away and jumping/diving, i still get locked on and die.
not every1 is a pro player, pc players also wanna just have fun
I think for casual playlists it's okay. For competitive modes, it's a complete joke. You cannot have players with assisted aiming software against those who do not. Mouse and Keyboard has been the input for competitive FPS since the original Doom, and become a staple since Quake 1.
Its like an Olympic swimmer choosing to do doggy paddle in a freestyle event (you can swim any stroke) and being artificially buffed by adding a forward water current in the swimmer's lane as well as giving them fins, simply for "preferring" a worse stroke that other swimmers.
This is why games like Halo, Apex, and Warzone are a joke to the competitive FPS community, coming from fantastic games like Counter Strike, Quake, Unreal Tournament, Rainbow Six, etc.
These games are for noobs, plain and simple.
Perfect
Thats why they die out quick on pc.
except for apex idk why that shit game lives on
You forgot to say Fortnite.
@@chimpe1727 I wish I knew. Apex was perfect before season 9. Now every player I’m diamond above is on controller even on pc. Such a joke.
i 100% agree, why should a console player who plays 4 hours a week be able to outgun me, someone who has wasted thousands upon thousands of hours over tens, maybe even hundreds of different shooters simply because the game wants them to? It's stupid.
I simply will not pay money for a competitive game that has aim assist. Deal breaker.
My guy, we are using our thumbs and a stick to aim. You guys have the surface area of an entire desk. What are you on about?? I am DYING to get a PC so I can put my controller down once and for all.
@@AJ-qs4vw play siege, that game has no aim assist on controller
@@AJ-qs4vw lol, I'm a mouse keyboard player and tried the controller, I must say, controller is broken with aim assist. very easy.
@@armanirodriguez1196 💀
@@AJ-qs4vw you are the typical aim-assist denier, when you use a controller on PC and max your FOV, the aim assist gets even stronger.
Nice Video and so true.
I'm around 2 k/d on mouse and keyboard. The problem I have with aim assist is that it requires one of my few braincells to focus on actual aiming, while a controller user doesn't really have to put that extra braincell on aiming and adjusting. Add the fact that movement doesn't help me in any way (strafing, dropshotting, jumping corners) as their aim will stick to me while I have to react and adjust as my aim doesn't magically move with my opponent. There's also another big problem with controllers and that is the Cronus and how easily it is available but that's another topic :D
You're not as good as you think you are
@@epacsenur575 My very first sentence was I'm around 2 k/d so yes, I am not anything special. You might as well have commented "git gud" since that's all you had to say.
@@Jorzorful git gud
@@Jorzorful you are talking about brain cells to aim which is true but its so much difficult to precisely aim on a controller so nothing to do mate. Git gud
@@JoeMama-ty6be Now that would be true if the aim assist wasn't broken as fuck on this game. Keep trying to defend it, doesn't make a difference to me :P
Which settings did you use for the controller? I'm a K/M player, but after watching this I want to give the controller a try to see what it will do with my gameplay :)
im a kb and mouse player. I dominate the matches mostly being 1st or 2nd in K/D getting 2-4+ K/D ratio but there are other times where I get just creamed by players that corner jump and head shot me from a distance or slide and shoot perfect shots. lol. Or they get off their shot despite me firing first indicating they zoned onto my head model. or they fire from across the map and nail me without issue. making it clear their controller/game tracked me for them. the aim assist drawbacks are great against KBM players who have to manually track, predict movement of the players and precisely zone in the upper torso or head. combine that with the weird quicks of the SBMM makes for a not so fun experience. but I do get enjoyment out of making players rage when I snipe/quick scope them with a mouse. lol or get 4 kills back to back with my sniper rifle within a barely 4 second window. it's times like that make it KBM worth it.
Personally, I just couldn't get used to the overcorrecting I was doing after the aim assist moved for me. I switched to M/K and was rough at first but after about 6-8 games I really started getting used to it and was aiming way better than aim assist was doing for me. Now I can't even use controller after using one since bo1.
Console player definitely have the advantage. When I watch the kill cams of console players like it says in this video it just magnetically attracts to the player. Should be PC vs PC to be fair.
There is gyro. I use gyro and always have aim assist off. I’d rather play with the KBM people. At least all our kills we earned without help.
i playing with this Trackball M570 since Quake 3 era, i am 50 years old and i give a lots of player hell :)
Flicking on mouse and keyboard is so so satisfying!!!
I’m m&k player and I always lost to controller in CQB so I studied my deaths
Most of the time roughly 74/100 I lost the fight, here is the scenario.
2 players ran in to each other and they both didn’t ran in a linear direction, they randomly moved left-right- right -left- left -right. Here is when the aim assist took part.
M&K players need to
1.predict enemy movements to follow his dot on to Enemy body which is 50:50
2. If you predict it right you pull the trigger
3. If wrong, you need to pull you dot back on to enemy body
4. At this point enemy can possibly make another move at anytime so you need to repeat step 1.
All of these most likely happen in 1.5-2.3 secs
For controller player.
1. Pull the trigger, that’s it. Because Aim Assist do all the prediction for you.
2. Even if you miss your aim bullet still magically hit enemy body since their FOV is 120 while M&k has only 3-5 FOV
…….
So my suggestions for M&K player
1. Camp and snipe them from a far let your teammates with controllers deal with controllers
2. Soft cheat by using aimbot and extend your FOV to around 50
M&K player here and I never decided to buy MW2 exclusively for this reason; I still play cold war and the aim assist is still awful on there. Matches get reduced to a chore because at the end, the whole team shit talks you like they didn't just press two buttons and let the game play for them. Most fights are still doable, but at long range they straight up lock on.
So if I'm shooting at a guy would u just shoot and not touch the right thumb stick so I'm not messing all my shots up by controlling the right thumb stick when I engaging the enemy?
I don’t care how much easier it is with mouse and keyboard. We chose the better input device they didn’t. Why should we hold their hands?
So our only advantage is our precision. Which they completely removed from Warzone 2 because no sniper will 1 hit anymore. So they get the benefit of aimbot tracking and we get to have hit markers. So fair.
He was so shocked he turned German
After playing 13 years on knm one month back i started playing in controller and believe me its night and day on mw3 its so easy even though it took me a week to get comfortable.
Test ads-ing. Because I noticed that controller users are always spamming ads and it corrects their crosshair on the enemy... And I heard (not sure if it's true), but on apex legends controllers used to ads into buildings to check if their assists would lock on to someone. But it was early days.
I was happy with killcams not working for a little while, kept me from getting salty watching aim assist kill me
The random german got me xD
Grüße und Danke fürs Video
Great info
now i see why its recommended for quick scope thats actually insane
i will always be amazed by this and never thought it was this strong because of played some other games with aim assist but it wasnt much at all like u still required a massive amount of skill to shoot (ik because ive tried controller in these games and some of them mouse is better) but now this is just wow
Bought a pc last year and been busting my ass to get good at mnk. Mw2 has been super rough for me, and all my buddies think i have an advantage being on mnk.
theyre just dumb if they think mouse and keyboard have an advantage over controller
This is something I'm starting to ask myself more and more, I got a gaming PC late in life and didn't really take shooters seriously on console.
Now I'm a boomer and I ask myself, will I even be decent enough at KBM to make it worth using.
I mean boys our life is finite, I might as well be putting no effort and getting very decent results and having fun than having to drill aim labs and kovaks 30m everyday (meaning less actual game time)
to me the magic of MKB comes from it's freedom, when I pickup a controller now I feel like I'm fighting it the entire time, but it aims for me and while the experience for me is shit, the results are the same with much less effort.
idk man I really wish I could be not top 1% but very good at KBM I just don't know if 1 it's possible when you're an old bastard and 2 worth it when so much of the enjoyment comes from actually having decent results.
you dont have to go crazy with aim training and all that bs. just play the game. mw2 has sbmm, so youre going to be facing people of roughly the same skill level as you no matter which input you prefer. play the game you want to play and you will have a better experience. if youre somewhat newish to the game, theres going to be a learning curve and thats normal. youll probably die a shit load for your first few matches or even the first few days, but thats still fine. the important thing is that youre learning and growing and understanding more than when you first started, and as with all things in life, the pieces will slowly come together until your core game knowledge becomes cement and you should hopefully start noticing your skill improve gradually. i started playing counterstrike 20 years ago and that shit was BRUTAL to a noob, i was lucky to end a match with 3 kills and 2 dozen deaths. thing is, the game was cool and fun and exciting, so i just kept throwing myself at that brick wall til i got good. the most important thing was that i was having fun though, because if i wasnt, i would never have kept playing til i got to the point where i was actually good at the game.
that being said, ive used both inputs and i prefer kbm. against average players the controller will be the way to go as everybody is aiming for center mass, but it feels like making a tool work for you rather than the tool being an extension of your own hand. taking my thumbs off the sticks to do any action, like jumping, feels slow and awkward as well. trying to land headshots with a controller is definitely harder than with kbm as well, especially at distance - the aa will turn off if you stray too far from the player model, thus accelerating back up to normal speed and throwing your aim waaaay off from the head target, thus requiring a hard pivot back on the thumbstick which usually over-aim's past the head, again. the aa muddies up the ability to make finer aim adjustments. i had this problem in overwatch as well, where i'd zoom in with a sniper and someone jumping across my field of vision would throw my aim off from my desired target, or the magnetism would drop on my reticle and my aim would shoot off away from my target.
if you do want to put in a little extra effort though, it will definitely pay off. once in a while i'll boot up 3d aim trainer on steam for about 15 minutes of practice. thats all it takes to warm up. occasionally i used to do 30 min of aim train, on controller, in overwatch - which was nice because it kept track of accuracy (and i turned on only headshots), so i could literally see on the fly if i was improving or not. in the end though, i would watch my hs accuracy slowly climb up over time, and going into a match afterwards i felt warmed up, more confident and more in tune with the game. less thinking and more doing. i only did that a handful of times though, because usually i just want to play the game for the sake of having fun.
if you want to play MW2 with m&k, please do so. its your game, enjoy it the way you want to. sbmm will be sure to make sure you arent constantly outclassed, though as your skill improves, so will that of your opponents. ;) happy gaming!
I Dont drill anything, I just play and get better
go get good at counterstrike and come back you will shine.
Honestly, with the exception of being able to team up with my friends, I don't think they should have ever mixed the PC and console crowds. Being on PC, I get annoyed when I know they're aim assist kicked in or they slapped the right analog all the way around to 360 me. That said, I hear the screams through the mic feedback when I'm letting off crazy accurate shots one after another and the console kids think I'm hacking.
(My personal favorite was when I was peaking a tiny LOS with a marksmarn rifle and a kid hit me with a shock stick immediately resulting in his face getting blown off)
Maybe we wouldn't be dealing with all the inconsistent gunplay and weirdo SBMM lobbies
Dude I mostly play KBM since it feels much more loose and in control, I plugged in a controller just to check it out the other day and my god man.
it's absolutely disgusting and I have no idea how anyone can call this a competitive game.
The thing that shocked me the most isn't even the stick( and that's crazy) cuz I could see it on Killcams already.
But the guns are pretty much no recoil it's madness
@@SweatiestDegree if it wasn’t for aim assist there would be no way they could ever compete with mouse and keyboard
This is the general issue, you can never balance two different things.
As a person who plays TF2 on PC with M&K and CoD on console with Controller, you can't balance someone with the skill of a TF2 Sniper against Aim Assist without one side being grossly OP for the majority.
@@Dragoonsoul7878 in my experience, K&B has the advantage in medium and long range engagements. Console players have the advantage when jumping around the corner and locking on while getting peak advantage.
I was a controller player on my console I bought my first pc recently, The aim so much harder but the movement is easier the problem is I do so much movement but I feel sometimes the enemies are not good at all but they kill me with aim assest. Aim assest is necessary but it feels like its OP maybe a little nerf because it's becoming the meta and yeah the movement is hard on controller but u can buy scuf controller with 2 extra buttons and it will make u insane at movement.
After 1 to 2 hours my wrist start getting tired but when I was a controller player I could play for hours relaxing.
No one is mentioning hacked controllers too. So not only do they get auto-aim they also get no recoil lol. It's a joke.
I hat to see it tracks you all the way down until death. When you die it looses lock and pulls away really fast
As someone who plays both controller and kbm. Kbm is way earlier in almost every scenario plus movement is way better compared to controller the only Advantage controller has is aa
Basically Metaphor spits pure facts
I haven't played an fps shooter for 3 years until I picked up mw2. First day back I dropped 70 kills and was beaming across map, absolutely disgusting how strong AA is. Cod kids don't know how much more satisfying playing/watching comp would be on kbm. I think just toning down the aa strength 20% would be sufficient
It wouldn't even be an issue if we were able to opt out of playing against console players or even segregate input types altogether. It's not hard to see that controllers benefit greatly at closer ranges which is where most of the fights take place in games like CoD and Apex. I remember a lot of pro players even switched to controller on Fortnite purely because of how strong aim assist is when box fighting... You just shoot. If you're playing with keyboard and mouse you might as well sit at the back of the map and hold a long line of sight. I'm more than capable of holding my own against good controller players but that doesn't negate the point us PC players are trying to make... It feels incredibly cheap when you die to a controller player. You watch it back and just think you've been cheated. What's the point in putting in all this effort for better aim on mouse if you can just grab a controller and instantly stomp?
Youd never find a game, see blackout
Me as a mouse and keyboard player for 30 years will speak for all us mouse and keyboard players.
We understand controller players need aim assist to play a FPS game and let alone vs a player like me on mouse and keyboard I use to be a console controller player.
I don't like or need aim assist on the mouse I like having my own set of skills I don't need any help Halo Infinite when I play tournaments I'm put in division 2 came in first place 2 times 2nd place 2 times 3rd place 1 time and 5th place 1 time.
But when you have us on mouse and keyboard that is really good at what we do and are skill level and we lose 95% of the gun fights that should say something about how busted aim assist is now days with Crossplay.
We need to react to everything on the fly in a split second why we muti task with the mouse and keyboard all at the same time right hand aims, tracks and turns us left hand works the keyboard like a piano.
Pretend like you are typing but you can only can use your left hand and you can type 500 words a minute that's what we are doing not looking at the keyboard at all.
Why we aim and track there is so much more then having a giant desk and moving are arm back and forth up down side to side diagonal it's not that simple as controller players think it is if it was then there will be more mouse and keyboard players then there is controller players but there is not over 3 billion consoles controller players and what maybe 100k mouse and keyboard players and 90% of the players on PC are using a controller so they don't count.
But all my lobbies are controller players so yeah not fair for me doing all the work for a kill my self and I get killed by someone that just started playing video games they can beat me with little to no effort on there part because of the overpowered aim assist then it becomes like a cheat 0% reaction time and rotational aim assist witch it is soft aimbot that is what soft aimbot is all you controller players you can hook a mouse and keyboard up just like us on PC can hook a controller up no excuses give it a try and see out it turns out for you.
Controllers have 2 types of aim assist it's the bot build into the controller that aims and tracks players BUT it has bullet magnetism two it will be more fair if controllers did not have bullet magnetism you guys can keep your rotational aim assist take out bullet magnetism that is the true killer for controllers us on Mouse and Keyboard will not get a single hit marker unless the center dot on the crosshair is on the enemy but you guys can get hit marker and the center dot is far from touching the enemy facts.
How does bullet magnetism work?
Loosely speaking, Bullet Magnetism is a game mechanic that allows a shooter to be off-target by a set number of degrees and still have a shot register as a hit. When a round is fired, instead of it going where the shooter was aiming, it instead travels off-axis to impact the target.
Playing a video game using mouse and keyboard is not like using RUclips or Google.
I never cared or even thought about Controller in years and the aim assist until Crossplay.
Crossplay ruined gaming for us mouse and keyboard players it really feels like a cheat look even Shroud said something about aim assist he said what I say Controllers vs Mouse and Keyboard is like night and day 1000% different is every whay and they should not be mixed together.
What killed gaming for me is Crossplay and the soft aimbot that is aim assist it 100% ruined competitive gaming for us mouse and keyboard players and it is 100% cheating.
I have been gaming from the start of video games and got into PC gaming 30 years ago and never played on the console and the controller again nothing but mouse and keyboard no matter what game I played so I got really good 1 of the best to do it I'm still really good.
My flicks and snaps are on another level and when I'm on fire for get about it you will not beat me anyone.
it feels like I have around 500k games or more in my gaming life under my belt I really can't put a number on it I played or tried just about them all and if it was a FPS game I played it or tried it trust that.
Just don't pin me on mouse and keyboard vs the world on controllers aim assist no 1 plays on mouse and keyboard anymore game dev's are building the games for controllers and porting them to mouse and keyboard try to fly in Warzone with a mouse and keyboard none of us M&K players do it's not built for mouse and keyboard facts it's all controller players.
Now go play Battlefield 1942 and fly the DC Mod was the best it's build for mouse and keyboard and not controller.
Aim assist when it is this overpowered is in no matter in what way, shape, or form you look at it Aim Assist is a crutch and training wheels and it carries every player to a win or ranked nothing more.
Controller Players love to defend Aim Assist "because it gives you skill" no it doesn't. It's a crutch plain and simple.
So all these tournaments do you see any mouse and keyboard players no they are a dying breed mouse and keyboard players we are the players built different well us really good players all you controller players are built the same aim assist is what makes you.
And all controller players say switch why should I change to controller when I been gaming on mouse and keyboard 30 years I like having my own set of skills at aiming, tracking, flicking, snapping and everything I do on the mouse and that is just some of the mouse skills using a keyboard is a different set of skills on the left hand I take pride in my kills when it is a insane kill but nothing new for me I been doing it 30 years.
You controller players hook a mouse and keyboard up to your console or PC and see for your self just how much different the 2 inputs really are it is like night and day 1000% different in everyway and should not be mixed together at all let alone in a competitive First Person Shooters.
I'm working for a kill why the 0% reaction time and rotational aim assist and bullet magnetism witch it really is soft aimbot does the work for you.
Console has a 0.6 value factor for aim assist, aka, 60% for every millisecond you aim at your target. On PC, that value is 0.4, or 40%. That's a different of 0.2, 20%, meaning console has a total of 50% higher aim assist value than PC does so shut up with PC has stronger aim assist
Controller are for little boys and mouse and keyboard is for the BIG DOGS..
I'm a TOP 1% Mouse and Keyboard player have been 30 years nothing new.
With Warzone when I shoot I can't see shit so much recoil, smoke, heat haze, dust effects all at the time it is blinding when us on mouse and keyboard need to see you to aim and track.
And I even said it back in the days I will destroy controller players if they ever was in my match so they Crossplayed games now days and gave controller players soft aimbot with 2 types of aim assist rotational aim assist with 0% reaction time and bullet magnetism that is what soft aimbot is but the true killer for controller players is bullet magnetism take out bullet magnetism you guys will need to have to aim more on target and not be 5 feet off target and still get a hit marker.
All you console controller players go play any game that is not Crossplay and come tell me how the aim assist is vs all Crossplay games it is like night and day it's that different.
They gave you guys crazy OP soft aimbot and they called it aim assist because of players like me on mouse and keyboard in all Crossplay games.
It is in the name aimbot had a baby and they called it aim assist it uses the same type of code to work that's why kill cams everyone looks like they are cheating that is what soft aimbot fine tuned looks like.
And Crossplay ruined competitive gaming and gaming point blank for me I'm working for all my kills and aim assist does the work for controller players just have ok or good centering maybe a little stick drift and aim assist does the hard work for you that is what a shooter is made off of aiming and tracking right.
Just give me Mouse and Keyboard only lobbies and I will be happy at least that way it all comes down to skill who is the better player who has the most set of skills wins games.
I just like it if they had to work as hard as I do for a kill or what ever the case is M&K vs M&K it all comes down to are own set of skills we no and learn and adapt to how other players are playing if they are good change your playstyle up on the fly you will win every time.
Us top 1% pro level M&K players some of us have multiple different playstyles it all depends on how the enemy team and players are playing before we can switch it up and play different and still be aggressive the aggressive don't change just the way I play will change..
Don't be mad at me for the facts Controller vs Mouse and Keyboard have 100% different mind sets on gaming.
We play to be the best and test are skills you play just to play in your bed.
How can anyone say different you will try.
Not all mouse and keyboard players are good only a select few of us that put time and years into it I'm a top 1% Mouse and Keyboard player.
There is my 2cents on the matter.
How do you get your aim like that. Where's there not an actual scope, almost like 3rd person but in 1st person???
It's laser
Not one MnK player is on TOP 250, that alone is a sign controller aim assist is insane.
source?
they def buffed the aim assist for this game. I remember in MW 2019, no body was using controllers to play warzone. Most completive players on twitch were using mouse and keyboard. Now everybody is almost using controllers . They should revert the aim assist back to MW 2019. Its way OP in this game
@@marksouthall3871 Yeah can you imagine making it even worse. I get that MK offers more precise aiming than console as there is smaller risk of overaiming your target (moving to far with your aim). But they overcompensated it way too much with such generous aim assist. Switched to controller today and the difference is striking. It's almost like playing GTA singleplayer mode with full aim assist, just press L2 and all your shots will land.
i used to be really good for my standard on my xbox 360... sometimes nuclear ( 30 kills without dying etc ) but normally i was avarage. never really on the bottom and sometimes on the top of the scoreboard. i could never get into m/k even tho i am a pc gamer by heart ( world of warcraft etc since 2004 ) , now i play shooters with m/k still avarage and i completely lost how to play with controller xD its funny when i think about it.... somewere without noticing i switched
As someone who has played mouse and keyboard and a controller.
It’s hard to turn around with good reflexes even with highest sensitivity on a controller to kill multiple people in different angles in 1 go.
On a mouse I feel like it’s so much easier to be flexible plus don’t forget depending on your set up your looking at 120fps to 280fps or even the FOV is op.
But that’s just my Non bias opinion.
I'm gonna take a wild guess that you don't actually have much mouse experience in cod. Console has 120fps and fov btw. Only console players think higher frames are winning you gunfights.
@@TheKushSkywalker if you change your setting for FOV on console your 120 fps reduces, which means your capped at 120 fps or less no matter what.
If you have $$ that’s no problem for pc.
Also your whole hand to aim versus just a thumb. 🤷🏻♂️
Again this is just my experiences so you can’t really tell me otherwise
@@TheKushSkywalker and i started playing cod on mouse and keyboard from cod 4 to like the old modern warfare 2 then went to console for a bit and now it’s just mixed.
Main thing is with mouse and keyboard I feel I play better but it’s a lot more intense but on controller I feel more relaxed and can lean back a little instead of sweating
@@kadsman based off what you're saying I think you are lying/exageratting your experience on mnk and would be shocked if you played more tha 2 games on it in your life. If you did you would know the arguments you are making are not as applicable as you think they are. I can't imagine anyone with real experience on mnk making the arm argument unironically.
both my nephews tried to go to mouse and keyboard afer about 1 they both went back to controller whats that tell you
Thank god for all those godlike comments. I was about to install wz2 but saw how aim assist is still a cheat code vs mnk. Not gonna waste my time on that bs being frustrated as hell.
Cheers
It would be amazing if developers of FPS games made it to where MnK could have just enough aim assist to be on the same level as controller players. Obviously, don't make the aim assist as strong as the controller but make it so PC players can have an easier time against controller players. Right now, I struggle against them, especially during close-quarters fights, and games such as CoD don't have nearly enough MnK players to try and match you with players using the same input.
Raw input wise, i’d agree that mnk has a higher skill ceiling since there’s more skills to learn and more control over your aim. But, in a game like warzone (both 1 and 2), using the same aim assist with more tracking involved, controller really does rival mnk in the top 1%, if not dominating mnk both in terms of numbers of players and tournament placements, with a few exceptions with a handful of mnk players.
Edit: i guess you said the same thing about apex
travel time for my arms vs travel time for your thumb?
_"in terms of tracking, pc players have a disadvantage"_ My nephew (14 y/o) and I (50 y/o) disagree. To my surprise, he plays cod with mouse & keyboard on his PS4 because, according to him, it's easier to stay on target.
Did you watch this video? Why do most of the players in the top 250 of ranked are controller. I’m on keyboard and mouse and I pulled out my old scuff for 2 games of shipment and my aim was better than my aim on keyboard and I run aim labs a lot. The only thing worse was my movement but I never use a controller for any game anymore so I’m not used to using sticks. But you should really try a controller and see.
@@WrongSpades Me being limited on place, I'm not able to play with kb&m right now. So, I've been playing with a controller for the passed year or so (PC, not console). And, I know first hand that the _Aim Assist_ is not what people make it out to be. Aim assist screws me more than helps. Making small adjustments to aim on controller is frustrating. With that said, there are benefits to playing with a controller. Movement? YES (depending on your play style). But Aiming? As far as I'm concerned, it's definitely not one of them.
@@beardo-baggins Please go on keyboard and mouse and try hipfiring or any gunfight up close. The only thing pc is better at is flicking and long kills. I’m making the switch back to controller first day today and I’m at the top of every leaderboard playing on a new input.
@@WrongSpades I'm happy for you. It doesn't change anything for me tho. Aim assist doesn't help me. 🤔Maybe a lot of those top 250 ranked players that are on controller, are also using a Cronus device.
@@beardo-baggins just look at every cdl pro. They are forced to play on controller and multiple of them are in the top 250 and they get pc checks done for their online games and in majors,they are in person in front of people on a random computer so no using a zen.
Xbox Elite Controller, COD Edition: only a left analog stick
Aim Assist is Way to strong.
Now everbody plays Loadouts without a Scope. That shows how broken it is.
thats the correlation you came up with? LMAO!!! you must be new to cod. many veteran players dont use optics because thats a mod slot that can be used for recoil or faster ads speed, and many of the iron sights work perfectly fine. the AK... i mean, kostov series is a good example. the iron sights are small, clean and non-obstructive; which means i can use all 5 mod slots to tune my gun to my perfect preference.
so, no, you are completely wrong about scopes and any correlation to aim assist.
if you havent played with both input types, you shouldnt even speak up on the matter. what does anyone have to gain if you speak from a position of absolute ignorance?
@@TheMarcosvolta i agree, the iron sight is really good
The main disadvantage of M&KB is you have to sit up at a desk like a nerd. I’ll stick to my bean bag
How about overtime? Is it balanced?
I moved away from controller to M&K. I literally can't go back, I like mw2 and warzone 2 but every game I play I can tell when other player's take a combat advantage away from me due to aim assist turning the tide for them.
I've played with MKB all my life and I do notice the aim assist from the console players but not in the way that it irritates me heavily. For example while Quick scoping i'm mostly winning a duel before the other player notices. But yeah...on MKB you don't get any assist at all. It's all about training to have a decent or good aim.
do a video on aim assist in mw2 behind walls pls, i don't have controller to test
O Aydan sem aim assist não durou 1 tentativa em uma partida até ligar ele de novo. O Flemys é o único cara que eu vejo que tem coragem de jogar partidas inteiras sem aim assist, mas é um acontecimento singular. Fale o que quiser, o aim assiste é um robô e funciona 100% das vezes que ele é acionado, é previsível e te torna consistente, por isso que quando jogo de controle eu não tenho medo de morrer, a confiança aumenta. O mouse tem a sua vantagem que é a de fazer um flick rápido entre dois oponentes distantes, mas é basicamente isso. Vemos que bons jogadores de controle conseguem replicar as outras movimentações. O aim assist deve existir sim! Mas não da forma que é! No entanto isso nunca vai acontecer, porque o dinheiro fala mais alto.
As a kid i tried to play some medal of honor and found aiming to be atrocious on controler, only ever used mouse+kb.
my personal opinion is that for FPS games specifically mouse+kb is king, it is the true display of skill...
This soft aimbot controller BS is just a meme for shooters and IMO takes away integrity from the game.
im 27 yo gamer, I spend my whole gaming years with m&k but I think I will switch to controller. I just dont want to sit in front of a screen anymore, I wannna lie down and relax when im playin.
The most contradicting conclusion of this whole thing is that the controller was designed for gaming, while M&K was not.. This means that it's truly much more difficult to game on M&K than it is on controller, yet controllers (which again were literally designed for gaming) need as much assistance as possible.
As someone who deals with hyperhidrosis, I prefer M&K because it keeps my hands from sweating so much.. I'm a pretty good player on M&K, but when I jump over to the controller, I immediately become almost unstoppable. It's truly ridiculous.
If they want to give the kids on console a watered down version of the game and a stupid amount of aim assist, go right ahead but it’s the mixing of inputs that I don’t understand. I get into a lobby and 95% of the time, I’m the only person on mouse and key. My buddy has been telling me the game was built for controller so they get all the advantage but I had no idea it was this bad until watching this video. I thought it just slowed the sim down when the crosshair passes over a player.
With playing mouse and key, I feel like I can acquire targets much faster than most people with a controller, but for me where the controller would help is keeping aim on target when the recoil gets squirrelly.
MWIII Aim Assist will be much less powerful, i've seen it. Most of the "good" controller players will have a bad awakening :D
I wish there was an option like in GTA Online where you can choose if you want aim assist lobbies or not.
I don't care if you use a controller to play but i wanna have the choice to not play with aim assist monkeys.
It's been a while, still no option for PC players to switch crossplay off to avoid this shit.
there is no skill gap in fps games anymore
A very easy answer to this argument: the pointing stick
Remember pointing sticks on laptops? Didn't really last that long because it's so inefficient and hard to use. Trackpad and mouse are superior by miles and miles than an analog stick.
i know other pc players get this feeling with cod, in a game like csgo where theres a cheater trying to hide his cheats and u don't wana call him out because maybe he's just a goat. then someone calls him out and he goes blaytant. every death to me in cod feels like that when i die to console players. and that's why i can't play cod anymore. aim assist feels like aimbot. and it's not just the average players who has problems with aim assist pro players do too.
Dead silence and double claymores best way to fk with console boys on snd
youre just bad, face it. mw2 utilizes sbmm, which means even if you are bad, youll only be fighting against other bad players. you cant make excuses and blame controllers, because even with aim assist, youre all bad at the level of ELO you reside at. then of course youre making ignorant statements like "pro players have problems with aim assist too." youre no pro. you dont know pros. you dont speak for pro gamers. shut up. its obvious to me that youre just making excuses and blaming others for your lack of skill. instead of crying about it online, maybe go practice and oh idunno, git gud scrub!
@@TheMarcosvolta did i say i was a pro player, even shroud said aim assist is the same thing as cheating when someone asked him about nadia lmao. it's okay to feel butthurt knowing the truth that your handicapped with your little aim assist.
Yes it is very broken. I'm appalled that people bother to use help in games. Doesn't all the fun fall off? A big problem is that if there is help for one piece of equipment, there must also be help for all the other equipment. COD chooses itself it must only be controller supported games and I don't know why they don't remove aim assist so we can all play COD
Controller for the win, think of all the hunchbacks we are saving long term
Let's be real, without aim assist using a joystick instead of a mouse would be a pain in the ass, not even training. Anyway, it only give a small BIAS, then good players would reach that BIAS easely.
look i play on console and pc and consoles have an advantage period. i been playing with a keyboard and mouse for about 2 months and no matter what there is no winning against aim assist. if they wanted to make things on a more equal footing they should add aim assist for everyone. didnt spend 4k on a high end pc just to connect a controller to it, if i wanted to use a controller i would just play on my console.
Easy conclusión check how many players reach the peak top tier on competitive CSGO with M&K and are succesfull and check how many randoms twitch streamers are "PRO" in Call Of Duty
you want to compare top cs players with random twitch streamers on cod? what point are you actually trying to make here, because it sounds to me like you have no fucking clue what youre even trying to say.
Aim assist was broken from MW2019 onwards, its just they slowed MW2 down so much you cant even use any type of movement to get away from aim assist. It locks on from 0ms and stays on target like an aimbot, It takes years and years to track like that on MnK and even then you will still have X ms reaction time to consider.
3 yrs same problem with close fight aim asist.
My opinion is that there is nothing proffessional about letting a machine help you aim therefor it hurts me to see these top streamers call themselves "warzone pros". for casual gaming - i don't care but i only respect the ones using a mouse because it's just all skill and no help from A.I. I also belive those who cut corners are the ones who have no problem using wallhacks and no recoil scripts or devices because they care about placement, not self-progress.
As a k&m player i feel like a police officer in GTA. thats all i have to say on the issue.
Saw this on my feed, I want to point out that for a game like rainbow six, there is no aim assist and the top controller players are very skilled at what they do.
ive played like 1000 hours of bo2 back on the ps3 and mw2/mw3/mw/waw and also played pc at the time. now im mostly pc and i feel like the aim assist has cranked up to 500% i never felt like it was this strong ever. Ive been killed by kids whos aim tracks me through the fucking wall or objects. basically aimbot
YES IT IS !
As a controller player for about 20 years. Please allow me to tell you how it actually is. First, yes, I do agree, at a closer range it is quite a bit unfair / too strong. However, past that range, it does get quite difficult and the strength of the aim assist begins to weaken. If you notice in the MW2 settings, theres different types of aim assist. "Black Ops" seems to be the most favored, to me it just feels really spongy, difficult for snipers but easy for automatics. Focus is similar and seems to actually be helpful for players new to analog aiming. Precision is what I used to souly use, it was pretty nice for sniping, the assist is pretty strong right towards the center torso. Now, I know some of you are prolly already thinking "yep see its broken" .. A few days ago my friend convinced me to order a M&K to try out on my xbox. So while thats on the way, I decided to practice on bots with NO aim assist on .. I was dog water. But I knew immediately why. Controller players absolutely suck at staying on target for a long period of time. Thats fact, also why we make great snipers. Also why so many ppl are stoked for this next mw3 cod. With the health increase, its gonna be quite interesting to see controller players trying to keep up with the movement and stay on target. I know i was struggling just a tad. Anyway, I turned my sensitivity down to 4-4 in order to stay on target comfortably .. on controller, I'm used to playing 12-12 which is pretty insane, and not bad for sniping with aim assist on. After about an hour of practining on bots, I was able to go up to 7-7 sensitivity. I noticed a massive help to my aim. I could stay on target without other targets taking my aim away. Despite all these other harsh opinions about aim assist, to me its more of hinderance. Once i got used to it being off, it felt like i had removed the training wheels. It was like going from driving a car to riding a motorcycle. Risky and scary and raw 🤌🏼 I literally felt like a streamer with how quickly I felt the improvment. Never going back to aim assist, cant wait to to get into the PC world. Why? Aim assist has one major fault imo, if youre aiming at a target (range doesnt really matter) and another enemy walks/runs across your aim, it will totally ruin your shot, and may even be the reason you die. In cod, I cant tell tou how many times that was the case for myself. So now im gonna keep training my muscle memory for no aim assist. I hope someone likes this so others will see. Aim assist still certainly doesn't beat m&k imo, its just the skill of the player. But I do agree its a bit unfair in closer range scenarios, however pc players with really good movement can typically work around that
Also, there really is no "if you use minimal input and just let the aim assist do its thing, it auto aims for you.." ABSOLUTELY WRONG. The guy is on like 3 or 4 sensitivity in the video, of course the aim assist will appear strong af, but he still won't be able to kill a cracked PC kid with that sens. I played at 12-12 on controller with AA turned on, try that using an M4, and tell me it's still too strong. Then turn it off and stay at that same sens. Your argument will shatter. Your ultimate potential is better without aim assist!
(Not trying to create conflict, just stating my thoughts on the matter)
Long story short: mouse has a lower skill floor and a higher skill ceiling. If you're extremely good you'll be able to beat anyone, but the average mouse player is at a considerable disadvantage against the average controller player.