I wasn't doing enough - I watched this vid by you all back in the summer ruclips.net/video/fcoNzQYX6Vw/видео.html When the pools opened I've spent 3 months focussing on those drills to increase my rotation. Over the last 3 weeks I've been timing myself - new PB's across the board 100, 400, 800, 1000, 1500 and by big amounts (2 mins) for the long distances. Supper chuffed, thanks.
Sometimes i have to think about it when swimming and other times its so engrained in me I don't. Mad isn't it! all in the space of a few seconds you have to do & think about rotation, reach, catch, pull and kick also not forgetting to breath.
I'm struggling with correcting and understanding about the freestyle body rotation lately, and I'm so thankful for this video, which made me learnt about being more aware of my rotation. Thank you!
There are technical calculations and add in the “rhythm “ affect. For me I think of my bodies wetted surface. A sharper rotation reduced my flat water wetted surface. Less drag. Like mentioned, compare a flat bottom boat vs a V haul boat. Less friction. Again , my rhythm and breathing is key. We’re all different in many aspects I open water swim
"if you've got some fins it's a good idea to pop them on right now" she said... so am sat up in bed with my fins on wondering if they might catch my quilt a bit too much if I rollover ...?
Very interesting video! I think I would have appreciated some visual examples to go along with the exercises you recommended with the fins. I’ll be sure to have a think about my rotation when I jump in the pool next :).
Oh Snap! Great to see you're enjoying the INCUS | NOVA guys. From our research, it's normal to see Velocity Gain per stroke higher with a familiar stroke style, as you're more used to it. Typically the net speed gain after breath strokes is lower because of the additional time taken in the recovery phase to breathe, where you'd slow slightly more in comparison to a normal stroke. It takes time to build up an efficient stroke when breathing in an unfamiliar pattern, so keep working on it and you'll get there! Really nice experiment - keep us posted on your progress Heather!
I'm a senior swimmer and consider rotation important now in my swimming. I haven't been able to bilateral breathe either. But I value this video and will watch it several times to find my best angle of rotation. For my stroke, I can imagine paddling a canoe. Paddling too deep, as once thought, doesn't gain the expected speed. Paddling closer to the surface seems to work better. But a paddle doesn't have an elbow to keep high...got some work to do...thanks for the video
Great video Heather! Interesting to watch slo-mo video of you in the water - looks like your upper torso might rotate more (the 70-75 deg on right) than your hips rotate - so what's the thinking on 'full body rotation' vs shoulder/hips?? Your shoulders might be rotating 70 degs, but hips only 40-45! And GTN fueled by coffee! ;)
Was your pace constant on each 100? You say effort was, but that doesn't necessarily mean pace ended up the same. Ultimately, that's the most important piece. The reason I ask is because the assumption we seem to be making is that we should be perfectly balanced - x degrees rotation to both right and left. But you're obviously a very good swimmer yet you rotate very differently left and right. So is that assumption just wrong? Or do you have room to be even faster by evening out the rotation?
This is a great point - Velocity Gain per stroke is also affected by stroke rate (cadence). It's important to view all these metrics together to get a clear picture. By increasing stroke rate, you can swim faster, but often less efficiently when viewed on the stroke-by-stroke basis that Velocity Gain shows. In simple terms, you gain less speed per stroke, but perform strokes at a higher rate, hence you move through the water quicker, but this comes at the cost of energy and sometimes injury risk. The best swimmers combine higher stroke rates with higher Velocity Gained per stroke. If anyone wants to look into this in more detail, DM us on Instagram or Facebook!
As a beginner swimmer I am trying to learn front crawl I am definitely better and stronger on my right My rotation on my left is not so good and weaker on this side
Rotation for men with wide shoulders and women maybe different because men have wider and powerful shoulder like me, easier to swim for me rotating 85 degrees on both sides.
The question we would like to know how would someone know if you are rotating at a certain degrees like 45 degrees when in reality you have to go by “feel” aka body awareness in the water. It will also depends on the body type of an individual. Heaps of youtube coaches will say rotate 30 degrees but do these coaches can even calculate like maths when they say these stuff to their students?
Great video! I never realized before but I do over rotate on the side I bread and as a side effect my kicking is not as efficient as it can be as it is partly used to make me rotate on the otherside instead of propelling me forward. I realized all that by looking at a video that a friend took of me swimming. I would never have found this without a video. The proprioception is surely not helping us much in the water. I will have to figure out some swimming drills which will help me to reduce my rotation as I do not feel that I overrotate. If you have any suggestions on how to reduce your rotation or actually feel that you rotate less please let me know.
It's the INCUS | NOVA with CLOUD Swim analytics Alistair, the only tool to provide direct body rotation and pitch measurement in the water. DM us on Instagram or Facebook and we can sort you out!
Im confused, some video says you have to wait your other arm before you move your other arm, but in your video you move your arm before the other arm hit the water, its like dropping the support arm when you take a breath... Im sorry i cant speak fluently in english..
Thanks for the video, but I have a couple questions. What do you mean by velocity gain? From what base line? I don’t understand the numbers. 50%, 60% of what? The opposite side? Are you 50% faster? Please help me to understand so I can make sense of the numbers. Also what device were you using for these measurements? Just curious. I’ve been using a training snorkel as I’ve not yet mastered the side breathing without sucking water, so I’ve been very cognizant of my rotation, but like you said, it’s hard to know exactly what my rotation is. But I’m trying to be the same on both sides before I ditch the snorkel, sometime down the road. Currently just doing laps to get the stroke Rhythm and style down to where I don’t have to think too much. Thanks
Leaning on your arm terribly when breathing and you don't understand coupling motions. Poor technical advice. What does 'Bilatera'l actually mean please?
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How much do you think you rotate when swimming? 🤔
I wasn't doing enough - I watched this vid by you all back in the summer ruclips.net/video/fcoNzQYX6Vw/видео.html When the pools opened I've spent 3 months focussing on those drills to increase my rotation. Over the last 3 weeks I've been timing myself - new PB's across the board 100, 400, 800, 1000, 1500 and by big amounts (2 mins) for the long distances. Supper chuffed, thanks.
Sometimes i have to think about it when swimming and other times its so engrained in me I don't. Mad isn't it! all in the space of a few seconds you have to do & think about rotation, reach, catch, pull and kick also not forgetting to breath.
Seems lot of conflicting opinions out there watching Adam Ocean Walker's vidoes he empahsizes going almost 90 degrees rotation for maximum momentum
I'm struggling with correcting and understanding about the freestyle body rotation lately, and I'm so thankful for this video, which made me learnt about being more aware of my rotation. Thank you!
There are technical calculations and add in the “rhythm “ affect.
For me I think of my bodies wetted surface. A sharper rotation reduced my flat water wetted surface. Less drag. Like mentioned, compare a flat bottom boat vs a V haul boat.
Less friction.
Again , my rhythm and breathing is key.
We’re all different in many aspects
I open water swim
"if you've got some fins it's a good idea to pop them on right now" she said... so am sat up in bed with my fins on wondering if they might catch my quilt a bit too much if I rollover ...?
U n I both.. lol watching in bed for swimming
Very interesting video! I think I would have appreciated some visual examples to go along with the exercises you recommended with the fins. I’ll be sure to have a think about my rotation when I jump in the pool next :).
We do have some other videos looking at rotation drills if you're after more.
Oh Snap! Great to see you're enjoying the INCUS | NOVA guys.
From our research, it's normal to see Velocity Gain per stroke higher with a familiar stroke style, as you're more used to it.
Typically the net speed gain after breath strokes is lower because of the additional time taken in the recovery phase to breathe, where you'd slow slightly more in comparison to a normal stroke.
It takes time to build up an efficient stroke when breathing in an unfamiliar pattern, so keep working on it and you'll get there!
Really nice experiment - keep us posted on your progress Heather!
Where do I buy this vest
Hi, I tried your "couch to 5k" plan and it really works for me. Can you give us a similar plan for long distance swimming too.
Your content is really helpful, really useful information
Keep the good work up
I'm a senior swimmer and consider rotation important now in my swimming. I haven't been able to bilateral breathe either. But I value this video and will watch it several times to find my best angle of rotation. For my stroke, I can imagine paddling a canoe. Paddling too deep, as once thought, doesn't gain the expected speed. Paddling closer to the surface seems to work better. But a paddle doesn't have an elbow to keep high...got some work to do...thanks for the video
Great video Heather! Interesting to watch slo-mo video of you in the water - looks like your upper torso might rotate more (the 70-75 deg on right) than your hips rotate - so what's the thinking on 'full body rotation' vs shoulder/hips?? Your shoulders might be rotating 70 degs, but hips only 40-45! And GTN fueled by coffee! ;)
In my opinion no matter how much should you rotate as long as you keep head down and the leading arm in front
Could you elaborate on what velocity gain is? Couldn't that mean that you're just slowing down more on that arm, and then speeding back up?
50% velocity gain means you're neither slowing or getting faster, either side of that your speed is changing per stroke.
Awesome video. Watched it twice and didn’t hear but did you mention where the vest came from, who sold it, where can one find it to be tested?
Check out the NOVA at www.incusperformance.com Paul - we're here to help if you want to talk things over!
Thank you for this class!
Was your pace constant on each 100? You say effort was, but that doesn't necessarily mean pace ended up the same. Ultimately, that's the most important piece. The reason I ask is because the assumption we seem to be making is that we should be perfectly balanced - x degrees rotation to both right and left. But you're obviously a very good swimmer yet you rotate very differently left and right. So is that assumption just wrong? Or do you have room to be even faster by evening out the rotation?
This is a great point - Velocity Gain per stroke is also affected by stroke rate (cadence). It's important to view all these metrics together to get a clear picture.
By increasing stroke rate, you can swim faster, but often less efficiently when viewed on the stroke-by-stroke basis that Velocity Gain shows. In simple terms, you gain less speed per stroke, but perform strokes at a higher rate, hence you move through the water quicker, but this comes at the cost of energy and sometimes injury risk. The best swimmers combine higher stroke rates with higher Velocity Gained per stroke.
If anyone wants to look into this in more detail, DM us on Instagram or Facebook!
I think Incus answered most of your question but I held 1.25" for each 100m.
As a beginner swimmer I am trying to learn front crawl
I am definitely better and stronger on my right
My rotation on my left is not so good and weaker on this side
Nice Heather. And thanks! !
Haven't learnt to breathe on my right yet. For me it's easier to rotate at almost a 90 degree angle, since I am slow and don't get the bow wave.
Very interesting. The core is the motor. Used Tech Toc.
I want to swiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim but our pools are closed since more than one month
I like how they used stock footage of a coffee cupping session.
The issue that I face is when I try to rotate subconsciously, I pull less it feels. If I don't think about it, it feels I pull more.
Rotation for men with wide shoulders and women maybe different because men have wider and powerful shoulder like me, easier to swim for me rotating 85 degrees on both sides.
Finally, a swimming tutorial where the swimmer doesn't talk like a snail. Awesome!
Who are you referring to? The guy from Howcast?
@@locumania Can't recall but wouldn't feel comfortable saying it anyway
How do I rotate?! What's the simple drill for beginners?
Amazing!🖤
Good show!
The question we would like to know how would someone know if you are rotating at a certain degrees like 45 degrees when in reality you have to go by “feel” aka body awareness in the water. It will also depends on the body type of an individual. Heaps of youtube coaches will say rotate 30 degrees but do these coaches can even calculate like maths when they say these stuff to their students?
Just wear an INCUS | NOVA and we can tell you for certain what you are rotating at (amongst other things)!
Super interesting. What's the name of the tool?
The INCUS | NOVA - check it out at www.incusperformance.com
Great video! I never realized before but I do over rotate on the side I bread and as a side effect my kicking is not as efficient as it can be as it is partly used to make me rotate on the otherside instead of propelling me forward. I realized all that by looking at a video that a friend took of me swimming. I would never have found this without a video. The proprioception is surely not helping us much in the water. I will have to figure out some swimming drills which will help me to reduce my rotation as I do not feel that I overrotate. If you have any suggestions on how to reduce your rotation or actually feel that you rotate less please let me know.
Thank you. Heather🤗
Is there such a thing as like a spin stroke. Rotating between this kind of a stroke and a back stroke? Like a windmilling?
What is the equipment?
It's the INCUS | NOVA with CLOUD Swim analytics Alistair, the only tool to provide direct body rotation and pitch measurement in the water.
DM us on Instagram or Facebook and we can sort you out!
Im confused, some video says you have to wait your other arm before you move your other arm, but in your video you move your arm before the other arm hit the water, its like dropping the support arm when you take a breath... Im sorry i cant speak fluently in english..
Thanks for the video, but I have a couple questions. What do you mean by velocity gain? From what base line? I don’t understand the numbers. 50%, 60% of what? The opposite side? Are you 50% faster? Please help me to understand so I can make sense of the numbers. Also what device were you using for these measurements? Just curious.
I’ve been using a training snorkel as I’ve not yet mastered the side breathing without sucking water, so I’ve been very cognizant of my rotation, but like you said, it’s hard to know exactly what my rotation is. But I’m trying to be the same on both sides before I ditch the snorkel, sometime down the road. Currently just doing laps to get the stroke Rhythm and style down to where I don’t have to think too much. Thanks
Do i have to turn my head to not cause pain, i use a full face mask rotation is harder could that caused pain. changing is very difficult i agree.
Why GTN what talk about ISL?
Sprint Triathlon Training soon ? 😉
I thought that 50% was the average velocity gain ... but if I have a look to numbers, the average of the shown numbers is way over that 50% ?
50% would mean you are not gaining or losing velocity, above 50% is positive.
@@heatherfell_oly so thinking a bit further: in general the speed is (a bit) increasing during the progress in the lane ... I think ;-)
What happened with Fraser? Has he left GTN?
Not at all, Fraser is working hard behind the scenes at the moment - you'll see him in videos again soon 🙂
I'm loosing😭
Not a word
Leaning on your arm terribly when breathing and you don't understand coupling motions. Poor technical advice. What does 'Bilatera'l actually mean please?
Roation 😅 (thumbnail)
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man, never thought I'd miss swimming so much...
Bring on that vaccine!!!
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