@gamerultimate5132 2:17 turrets can shoot both exe and minions. It just uses 2% per enemy in the ring and in sight. Yes I know this, I've done my testing. I've also written a whole eggman guide that someone covered here on RUclips. Ultimate Eggman 1.2 guide, on a Google doc. Highly recommend looking at it.
Also if the exe destroys the turret eggman will gain his turrets back like if I placed 1 and I have 4 if exe destroys or minion destroys I'll have 5 turrets (max number or turrets)
I honestly like the idea of how egg man was done in 1.2, but I think instead of turrets it should be badnicks and he can switch the type he uses, for example maybe a drill bot type as a trap that pushes exe, or the motobugs to run into the exe to hit him, they can definitely be more types of badnicks but this is just an idea
@@SadGhost-666 I understand but I think egg man should have something else instead of shock, I think some other attack would be better cause shock makes egg man kinda boring, maybe a mech mechanic after being downed or smth idk I just feel like shock is okay but something else would be cool
honestly my friend is an eggman main even after the turret change, and me and him both think he should get shock back. i personally believe to add shock onto what he already has, but give it a longer cooldown, as it should be SOLELY a last ditch effort to get away, and it’d be in line with how Eggman usually has some sort of escape plan in case his plans do fail.
@RaginRockyXL yeah, because there’s basically no way to charge jetpack when being chased even by just a MINION unless you’ve got enough health to tank a hit from one and still not be one shot to kolossos or small exe
2:11 you don’t even know the half of it Because heres the thing; if a minion decides that it wants to invalidate your ENTIRE character, all it has to do is chase you around. If you stop to try and place a new turret or repair it, the minion is right behind you ready to punish you for not running. You have to hope any minion on the field isn’t smart enough to think about doing that, or have a bodyguard to protect you 😭
FUN FACT EVERYONE MISSES: Turrets shoot exe and minions. Both at the SAME TIME Uses 2% per enemy in the ring. Though minions are still a huge pain in the rear. Turret towers can help stop this problem if you have that much time. Made a whole guide on it. Ultimate Eggman Guide 1.2
@AceOfSpade27236 huh, I actually didn’t know that the same turret could hit 2 enemies at once Might have to edit my comment about that part I still feel the same about the whole “Minion chasing you” thing
@BeetrootDude yeah there's no changing what happens if a minion chases you if they do. Please take a look at the Ultimate Eggman 1.2 guide though pleeaaasseee broooo
1:03 it's a risky move but here's a tip: if you're thinking on using jetpack during a chase, the MOMENT you press jetpack immediately release it (recommend using it to get on to high ground)
I feel like a simple solution is to make the turrets shock/stun EXE when he breaks them, giving more incentive for the exe to not just insta kill the turret and move on with his day and make them a meaningful area denial like they’re supposed to be
One of my suggestions could be a fake out turret, where its a turret but it is much weaker but when the exe attacks it it lets out a shock stunning the exe for atleast 2-3 seconds, i am a eggman main but its really hard to solo with him.
Ideas for egg I came up with. Typed this on a previous video so I’m just copying and pasting here. Buff 1: Turrets health should not be based on their ammo. I’ve seen minions hit a turret and when they do the ammo goes down, meaning the ammo is also the turrets health. Give turrets their own set of health. Buff 2 : Eggman should have different gadgets to enhance his turrets. Eggman is a mastermind and great with machines, I mean he literally built metal Sonic and his grandfather made Shadow, two strong characters in the franchise. So you think we would have tricks up his sleeve to make his turrets stronger. Item 1,Energizer : If eggman is standing near a turret, he can insert a rechargeable battery inside of the turret. This will play a special animation, and requires either tails or metal to help him with it. One inserted, said turret will become buffed, glowing a small gold. If an exe is in the turrets range, it will shoot at a much faster pace and slow him down at the same pace all 5 turrets would. The exe can destroy the turret but it will take two hits instead of one (three hits for minions) has a 28 sec cooldown Item 2, Explosive: Eggman can strap an explosive to one of his turrets. If any exe tries to destroy this turret it will have a medium sized explosion and push the exe for 3 sec. If the exe collides with any object wile being pushed back, he will be knocked down for 2 sec. 18 sec cooldown. Item 3, Enhancer: Eggman can choose to enhance one of his turrets. This will play a new animation with eggman using a hammer instead of his hands, (will need to build the new enhanced turret like u would an og one). Once finished the turret will turn silver and become a little bigger. If any exe comes in range with this turret it will shoot slower but if lands 5 shots successfully, will stun the exe for 3 sec. 35 sec cooldown. Buff 3: Make the un-enhanced turrets be able to stun exe for 2 sec if lands 15 shots successfully, there will be a counter on the exe’s head and it will start to go back down after 5 sec. This would make the turrets more useful as not only would he be slowed but has a chance to be stunned if eggman’s teammates can keep the exe in that area for a long time. New Idea: Metal sonic should have more interactions with eggman, since he is literally his son. This would also make metal more interesting and not just be the sacrifice all the time. Idea 1: Metal sonic at the start of the round should start sitting on the ground with him being powered down. Whoever is playing metal will get a special loading screen exclusive to him. There will be a bar on the player’s screen showing metal’s loading process. This will take 10 sec, and any exe who tries to camp will be knocked back good distance when metal powers on. This would make Metal more interesting character and it also makes sense bc he’s a robot. If there is an eggman on the team, the person playing metal will be a little bit high in the sky. The person using eggman can choose to pull out their device and choose where the carrier should drop off metal. Metal won’t be super high in the sky, but like abt the height tails glide can go, the carrier will drop metal at when it gets to a specific ground level. This would make the father and son duo more interactive with each other, Idea 2: When metal self destructs, he can still become a minion, but he will look a lot more beat up, and move slower. Like.. this man is literally EXPLODING himself if makes sense for him to be slower and beat up. Idea 3: This relates back to idea 1 for metal but tails can help metal load faster if he either spawns right next to him, or finds him before he finishes manually. The person playing tails will have use one of their batteries to charge metal up instantly. This battery will power whoever is playing metal on instantly and metals eyes will be gold instead of green for 15 sec. During this time metal will have a speed boost and a buff to his abilities, push stunning him for a sec longer when it ends, and grapple giving STRIKING the exe, bringing metal to him and stunning him for 2 sec. Tails will have 3 batteries, per game, and each one will have to go through an animation. If there is an eggman on the team, tails will get 3 more batteries thst gsme, having a total of 6. The person playing tails can choose to give some of their batteries to eggman. Each battery will restore metals health by 10. Batteries have a 12 sec cooldown. After the battery buff ends for the metal player, they will suffer fatigue for 5 sec, during which they can’t move. If the exe hits them during this state, they won’t take as much damage to Make it fair. Metal can still be given shields during the fatigued period and his teammates can also protect him during it, Stuff like this would make the game more interesting imo, but can also create new tech and strategies. Also fix eggman’s grab why do his legs just sink in the ground? Make it like the egg grab from 1.1 I’m dead after typing all this… send help…
Funnily enough, those first two items were an idea that I had in my own video a few weeks back. Even the names are the same. Nice to know that other people share the same ideas as me.
Despite the amount of yap you dropped, I fully agree and support your ideas. I'm a Kolossos main and istg, if I end up getting Egghead, I seriously don't go after them because I feel bad for them using a character that was done dirty. But if that player was or is being toxic, I'm grabbing them and sending them to Brazil.
@@DarkFlareonX lol. Yea I just had a head full of stuff thats why there so much. I play both exes when ever I want but it’s just sad to see how quickly I can drop and egghead bc there’s nothing he can do. It feel even more bad when there is a load if minions in him. I might just start doing nothing until the exit spawns if it’s an egg bc if we’re being honest. Bro got worse treatment than tails has
This would be revolutionary for eggman as it opens plenty of playstyles for the fat man For example: if eggman were to use the explosive strapped turrets, you'd basically have a land mine field of which sonic or any of the minions would have trouble reaching any survivors without getting pushed back (and possibly get stunned)
It's sad that the game is on a hiatus so they cant update the characters but I have some ideas ngl for him -shock and turrets and jetpack for abilities -big exe takes 2 hits to destroy the turrets and for smol it takes 3 hits to destroy one(including minions) -jetpack charges MUCH faster And uh that's all
If eggman would get shock back, I think there should be some sort of rework, like making it similar to Sally’s EMP, or keep it the same as eggman from 1.2 alpha, only tweaked like giving it startup s or not making it blockable. Keeping the stun time 2 seconds would balance him out.
In my opinion, I think Eggman should get his shock back but *keep the turrets* I feel like his shock would be more of a defense mechanism rather than something to just always use on exe, like if he's running from exe after placing a turret or if trying to fix a turret then he can use his shock to stun exe so he'll have some time to run for a bit and possibly get saved by other survivors instead, shock only lasted about a second or 2 anyway so it wasn't even that much of a stun another idea is something my friend suggested, which is Eggman should be able to control one of his turrets if he's next to it and instead of shooting regular bullets that slow exe he can instead charge up the turret he's on and use it to stun exe from a distance like Tails, prob wouldn't last as long but it'd make him more helpful
Imo, they could keep the turrets and current jetpack feature AND add shock, but instead of it being AoE, it can be a shield like Knuckles’ Block where if exe hits him, they get stunned. This’ll give Eggman more time to charge his jetpack for horizontal movement to get to teammates or something and not just be a braindead stun
Here's what to do to make eggman good. Give him shock back, make it able to go through block and minions without going away, make the stun 2.5, and then lastly, keep the rest of his kit. Some other things with shock could be keep the 2 sec stun and keep it block able, but just make it's CD 15 sec
Eggman’s jetpack is honestly fine being controlled differently. His turrents are somewhat decent… but there should be a nerf to the lunge and spindash when in contact. They’re really bad for the movement. And he needs the shock. With a nerf of the stun (2.5 seconds is better than 2), make it faster to land and he’ll be able to run away. But I don’t get why Outlaik made him worse since his hitbox is large.
As someone who used to main Robotnick, I really liked this video. His changes in each game were interesting, to say the least. In 1.0, he was op. In 1.1, he was well balanced. In the 1.2 alpha, he was pointless and bad, do to the mutiple nerfs that were givin to jetpack-boost and shock.(Yes, he was nerfed into the floor in both the 1.2 alpha and 0.75.) In the 1.2 full release, he has a role, but he feels underpowered, especially since the two other characters that have an effect on speed are just better. I would like to give my input on Robotnick though, if thats ok with you. I feel like bringing back shock would make him a combination of Blaze and Sally, except he would be worse than both. Instead, he should be givin a bunch of different abilities that have a niche, but useful role to help out the team. His whole thing is having tricks up his sleeves and having backup plans for his backup plans, so it makes sense for him to be like that in this game. He should still keep the sentries, but should also gain more abilities to debuff Sonic, buff him teammates, and make moving the sentries easier. The fact that a minion can stand on a sentry and force Robotnick to take damage while trying to pick the thing up makes him really bad.
I agree with you, maybe the turrets could slow him more, or maybe when an exe destroys them, they would get a debuff similiar to Sally's emp for like a second, or just make his jetpack startup spammable like Blaze's heatwave, if you know what i mean.
The problem of eggman is: -His jetpack don't ever work to run because how you need to charge to use it -His turrets barely do something, example, agains sonic.exe it don't do anything because he is too fast and maybe he do a little affect to kollosos but is not enough. I mean, if you want a support is better cream, silver or sally than eggman, atleast two help from distance and one can save you from attacks or grabs I doubt that eggman whonna have back his shock because if im not wrong outlaik sy he don't want more stunners, in other words, the reason why eggman loose the shock is because they put blaze who is a stunner. Maybe idk, give eggman a laser gun to shoot from short distance like silver or turrets who really make something (maybe something like that you can upgrade them or something like that and order the turrets to shoot a misile to stun sonic or something idk). Eggman was one of the most used characters in the past, now you barely see one and they or die because they aren't playing or because well, eggman is not too good.
Fair enough, but most popular idk bout that one, but besides that yeah, we also gotta remember that this game is buggy, and laggy sure not for everyone but point in case, Rollback for Dragon Ball fighters Z. It's not as bad of a thing as when the character themselves are made well enough that they supercede those negatives and boom. Best example, Metal Sonic.
@@RaginRockyXL with popular i mean he was in all match's because how easy he was to use so yeah, he was a popular one like knuckles, tails and amy. The lag and bugs don't have anything, if eggman don't hve a propper escape habilitie then is a bad support.
The shock was super clutch back in 1.0. But unfortunately, it got nerfed so freaking hard and got replaced, but I think it was for the good. I would like instead of the turrets a remote control Badnick that you can drive into the exe and self destruct. I still love the idea of the turrets tho.
heres what I wanna suggest to eggman to atleast have some defense he Carries a turret in his hand if he picks it up with E or Pick up button on mobile This also shoots exe while in your hand can also be good since it only gets destroyed if egg is hit or downed if it runs out u have to repair again and put it down
After watching this video, I've come up with reasons why this is just a bad idea to bring shock back. 1: Another stunner really isn't needed. 2. Support in this game already don't have a lot of variety, and making offense support just seems counterintuitive since you can't support and use stuns at the same time. 3. Adding turrets and shock would be a NIGHTMARE to deal with as Sonic, and if your team is half decent you basically win for free. 4. You are underselling the distance jetpack gives. It's a preemptive move, and shouldn't be used when Sonic is already near. 5. You state that Eggy falters if he can't get to his team in time. But if you were away from your team in the first place, something has gone horribly wrong. And if the Sonic forced you away, then they should be rewarded for forcing suboptimal play. 6. EMP serves a very similar function to shock when you compare them. 7. Shock is a nightmare to balance in of itself. It's either too good, or just mid. 8. Turrets also tend to waste more time for the exe than shock normally does. 9. Shock IS braindead. You get the effect of a Sally shield (no speed boost I know, but lets be real here) and you can stun Sonic, or block off tighter enclosed areas. Worst comes to worst for the Eggman player, Sonic is forced to wait out attacking you for 4 seconds. And if that's the worst outcome, that's bad game design. 10: Kind of an opinion sure, but shock is boring, and stunning should take at least SOME skill. Think about it. Arm cannon, hammer throw, orb, and grapple all take some skill to land in aiming. Punch, hammer attack and spin, EMP, homing attack, boost, flashbang, push, fire tornado, and heatwave all require you to risk being damaged. And remote bomb takes setup. Shock? None of them, and you may argue that you must risk getting hurt, but if you miss shock, you still stop sonic for 4 seconds bare minimum. So that's all my problems with shock coming back. I'm sure there is more, but I don't want this comment to go forever.
2:57 just delete block from the game lol I mean, outlaik is a good developer, but he is so bad at making his game fair for everyone like he's so silly about it 😮💨
The point of removing shock is so that he can have turrets but ironically he needs shock in his kit more than ever. Turrets aren't the worst but Eggman is not like Cream or Sally where he has a reliable get away ability as his ability is reliant on being near an edge that *doesn't* have a climbable. He *needs* to have a 3rd ability, whether it's shock or not. Given the balance history of TD I don't have high hopes that shock would make a return, so at least another gadget ability could make Eggman fun again. I can't think of an idea of what that 3rd ability could look, but as it stands Eggman is interchangeable with Rouge however worse.
Idk what to say but for some reason the 1.2 eggman jetpack charge up in ur vid was pretty slow like I didn’t remember it to be that slow. Maybe be able to place 6 turrets? Or do the great idea abt the badnicks like that guy mentioned up here I think
i mean some characters have more than 2 abilities so i wouldn't see why eggman should js have 2 we could have turrets and shock + jetpack but a bit tweaked
I mean, Classic Eggman I can understand it, but it is Modern Eggman, and well... Modern Eggman is a f4 tank, or ask it that on the Comics, like, being serius, is like a 3 foots man on a world with furrys, or especially with Small Exe, Moder Eggman can just grab him like a Toy and threw him away. To where I want to go is that: Being totally defenseless DOESN'T fit Eggman, even if he don't have his machines
shock should be added back with a few changes, like for one, it should be a simple push back type stun similarly to how sonic jumps back when he gets shocked in the sonic games, with a longer cooldown since his turrets and jetpack can do really good
Yeah I feel like eggman needs to have his shock back cause I don’t think most eggman mains are having fun with no defense ability anymore infact one of my friends who used to be a eggman main is no longer a eggman main eggman is more of a “just in case” character for them like if one of their mains gets stolen and eggman is available to play as then they will be eggman
i think eggman could get back shock, just a bit weaker I think it could work like sallys emp, but the slowdown comes after a small stun, about the amount of after metals push, then a slightly short slowdown. Cooldown could be about slightly shorter than knuckles punch.
This is actually my experience playing eggman. Minions basically to never ever use turrets. Turrets doesn't make the exe slower than you. 💀 Jetpack is genuinely pretty during when you fall or use jump pad, too bad you preplanned this set up so you wouldn't die after a few seconds. Turrets can hit people above or below, just not too much. Atp, just bring shock back or just make changes with turrets
Turrets don't make exe slower than you. Fun fact: Turrets set the exe and minions to a set speed. Fun fact 2: Turrets can shoot more than 1 target, 2% per enemy. Fun fact 3: I have a whole guide about this and I'm getting tired of people not knowing. Ultimate Eggman guide 1.2, someone made a video about it and im p sure my guide doc is there.
im so glad somebody agrees with my points I LOVE eggmans new jetpack, i think it gave it more of a way to escape with your big ass hitbox but the turrets arent that useful they only when someone is trying to stun the exe, but then again if its kolosos your whole power is fucked and this leads me on to my next question Outlaik..... ..... HE ALREADY HAS A BIG HITBOX! theres no need to make him worse in chase, he needs shock back, ive been playing this game since the first ever sandbox, and ive been an eggman main, FOR YEARS! i still play him, but i just dont pick him as often anymore! sure his jetpack is "good" but creams is better. Wanna know why? Because it lasts WAYYY longer than the jetpack, she can EASILY run to another teamate, or a spring to get away Now lets talk about sally, yes, she can use her shield to help other teamates, and YES that does mean her shield is on a cooldown as well, BUT EGGMAN DOES NOT HAVE THAT! EVEN WHEN SALLY USES HER SHIELD SHE CAN GET AWAY BY USING HER EHP! WTF IS FATASS GONNA DO? all the other supports have a way of getting away or maybe even fighting back, But eggman needs his shock, If Outlaik REALLY wants the turrets in, give them a range nerf, keep jetpack how it is, and give eggman.. his shock back thats all i have to say I could go on for hours on why i think eggman needs his shock back but im not gonna sit here typing forever
I think this should help If you hate eggman,with this combo you should think again about it: Rouge-eggman: put your turret everywhere you want,then,your friend (rouge) will put rouge bomb and mini-radar inside or very close to the turret,making that turret into a *SUPER TURRET* Here what it does: many times exe really hate turret and attack them quicly,so,this Will be a perfect trap for making him try attack,but the radar Will spot exe,and the bomb will stun him a push him,and turret Will slow him,best combo-trap ever Another combo is... Tails-eggman Here what this does: So we all know tails can repair turrets,so when eggman put a turret,exe will try attack it,but tails will stun it,while exe is stunned turret Will slow it,but losing energy,so sometimes,after this,eggman Will be chased,but he can use jetpack,and while exe is chasing eggy,tails can repair that or those turret/s 40 likes for part 2
i think they should add an ability where you can explode the turret which knocks him back like knuckle's block ability just with like a 30 second cooldown
Keep seeing these comments and honestly I have to say. Eggman's kit would be amazing if this were any other game. Something I don't like about this game (or any others like it) is the overreliance on stuns. With hitboxes being ass, ping, and exe just being stupid fast in general, your only real counter is to punch him in the face, fling him off cliffs, and generally shut him down as much as possible to keep him from attacking in the first place. Each juke is essentially a coinflip whether or not you get hit. Sometimes midas himself blesses you and you neo past the exe for the entire round. Other times he hits you midair from the floor and you die instantly. As it stands, a good exe will always win because they will make you flip the coin endlessly. And he only needs you to lose once. Think of all the times you had the exe trapped in a corner, or all the times your entire team died in 30 seconds. Was that fun? Was that engaging? Chances are you found those incredibly boring. All you did was group up in one spot, and keep pressing E before running away so someone else can press E. Or someone didn't, and the exe proceeded to kill everything. Honestly TR:UD was pretty good at avoiding this for a while (which was probably a fluke, because they proceeded to give almost every character a stun) by giving people abilities that were useful without just shutting down the killer. Dodges, hiding, long distance detectors. If avoiding the killer was an option, so many things could be more useful than they currently are.
Heres a quick fix to jetpack, reply if u have a better idea if u want: So eggmans jetpack can work a bit like shadows dash from previous versions. When on the ground it will act like dash somewhat making you fly forward no charge up needed. But when ur mid air from jumping or falling, it changes to the jetpack we see in 1.2 (full version) the one that is used when u dont charge it up. Also it gives you i frames if you use the dash.
tbh i think cream should get her normal heal back but slighly buffed just keeping the slow ticks of healing, eggman wasn't the only one screwed over by the update cream isn't necessary anymore since overheal is kinda useless since when you overheal someone (knucks or amy or whatever stunner) they have their attacks on Cd so the overheal runs out eventually and also Simply Kolossos screws over overheal lol. As for eggman i think it would be cool moving the turrets to some sort of minion of eggman like a badnik, or just make turrents stun after x shots
Tails was also screwed over in the update(at least to me). The extra stun time is not worth the cannon delay. They massacred my boi :( I do agree with you on Cream's heal, tho. Overheal only seems to be useful for stalling time when a teammate's been grabbed. I really want the 1.2 Alpha back in some shape or form...
tbh, Tails is in something like canon or even Sonic. exe Spirits of hell can both fly a lot for a long time with a very vertical thing, but tails in TD feel a lot more weighty and can't even go up something canon tails would easily go over. I know balance stuff is complicated, but come on, tail's glide barely gives any speed, and it's easy to counter (as exe, just follow him while being below him, and tails will get tired very fast, bruh). As for his stun, it really is not worth the delay, especially since you can miss and have to wait another half a minute to even use your stun (Knucks and Amy have the same issue). On another topic, Amy doesn't get inv frames when using hammer spin and can get hit due to the 'lovely' hitbox of the game. But yeah, a lot of characters were made a lot weaker than Exe by nerfing them harshly instead of buffing Exe. (Blaze has a lot of funky hitboxes, by the way.)
@@Yuuk1_09 Yeah, Tails as a whole needs a buff at this point. I'm in denial about my favorite character being ruined so I still main him, but it's super hard. Doesn't help that Exes like to immediately go after Tails. Now with the fly nerf, I can't get up onto most platforms. Gotta love those wonky hitboxes, tho. I've hit Blaze and Amy before when they were still in the middle of attacking (Hammer Spin and Fire Tornado are wonky asf). I get why Outlaik is on hiatus at the moment but I do hope he gets around to fixing these issues eventually. The two new characters are not worth the nerfs to most of the other characters.
blaze's flame punch is also very wonky in hitbox sometimes it hits sometimes it doesn't (Also amy's hammer spin needs a buff to its stun time). i get why outlaik is in hiatus too but i am pretty sure sega just doesn't want others profiting from their franchise so its probably just the Donations that kinda screwed up outlaik since TD did show he was getting donated a Lot of robux. but i hope he does return faster since the game is still quite the mess on the bugs. also Silver is just slighly better tails who can actually escape since he has a speed boost unlike tails who's speed is capped in 'Fly' at the 'small cost' of silver having to aim a Non instant projectile which has splash damage (basically not much of a change to how tails played but with assistance due to splash damage if you just hit close enough)
@@Yuuk1_09 Blaze is almost RNG because of her hitboxes, but she is fun if everything works properly. I also remember seeing that someone donated around 40,000 robux on the leaderboard and that's just one of many, many people who have done the same. If Outlaik used the Devx feature, he could make a lot of money out of the game and of course it could get him in legal trouble with Sega. I'm just really hoping future bug fixes will improve the game because it's still fun, just incredibly flawed in it's current state. Far from a finished game. Also, it's funny that you mention Silver because I've actually started to play as Silver a lot, since he has a more reliable ranged attack. The splash is super helpful against Minions and the Exe when they're grouped up together and helps new players with hitting the Exe. I'm still partial to Tails as a character, lol.
I was an Eggman made before metal sonic blaze and silver and the reason I stop playing him at all was cause the shock ability got taken off that was a huge Nerf that ability was broken. I think that is why he got Nerfed
i think it would be good for eggman if he could move while using the jatpack, it would improve a lot his gameplay. Shock could be an ability for the turrets, that instead of stuning the exe it could make him really slow for 6 seconds or less, i think would make playing with him as i think a "support" better.
Eggman should have a passive that is like in the games to make him easier to play (not absurd though) Like he gets (a bit) faster when exe is near him.
I want to make a S.E: TD fangame when i learn how to do it, and Eggman will have some abilities that will benefit the team, and make them be safe too, if i ever make the game, Eggman will have: Shock (F) (same as 1.1) Stun Turret (C) (idk what to call it really) Jetpack (3 uses) (pressing (E) on the ground will cause Eggman to charge for a second and go forward fast) (pressing (E) mid air will cause Eggman to use the 1.1 Jetpack) (pressing (Spacebar) mid air will cause Eggman to go up really fast) And finally Hack (Q near a specific object or place in some specific maps) (will cause some things to activate helping the team)
Okay so something that people doesn't understand, Shock wasn't healthy for the game and THIS IS the actual reason of his removal, shock was either too OP or too bad, yes the ability was braindead, don't get me wrong, i prefer Eggman with Shock but we need to be real on this, Eggman had 5 seconds of shock duration, meaning if he didn't landed his shock, he would get a free shield of 5 seconds, or EVEN landing his shock at his last frame or last second if you prefer and make Eggman invincible for 8 seconds, which other stunners couldn't In other words Eggman doesn't get punished for missing his ability or not, it's was basically a free win if you barely knew how to use shock, same goes to evasion, having no counter play and just being a button press to win, that's why Sally's EMP might get removed in future updates cause Outlaik considers it like a Shock-like ability In other words, Eggman could ambush the exe very easily or become a wall for 5 SECONDS making exe lose track of other survivors, plus having jetpack which jetpack is a very powerful ability (the reason why ladders still exists nowadays) Eggman was one of the most powerful characters, his only weakness being big hitboxes and maybe having big cooldowns but again it wasn't a problem in 1.1 Eggman in 1.2 prototype had a bigger CD for his shock but mostly a less stun time (2 seconds) Even Shadow's tackle did much more, Shock was a very powerful ability and really helpful for Eggman and his team, but it was making exe players raging cause you can't do anything against Eggman's shock, oh yeah Kolossos' Block ? Remember that Sonic.exe is still in the game, he maybe can dodge it but most of the time dodging doesn't work, not because an exe has a "counter" against Eggman that it means that Shock isn't OP In conclusion, Shock was too broken and unfixable nowadays, meaning that shock getting removed was NECESSARY, Turrets helps the team way more than shock, stalling the early game, Eggman can't really do anything to defend himself and ITS ALRIGHT, the whole point of TD is not having characters able to defend themselves and making them Knuckles 2.0, it's different gameplay style
I Like The Shock Over The Turrets Sense I See That You Can Break Them as a EXE, and The Shock Fells Good Just to Electrocute EXE's with it! Besides The Game Only Has 4 Stunners but Now 3?! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE! Anyways I'm Also Sure That The Shock Returns in 1.3, Like Hammer Throw Removed in 1.1 and Returned in 1.2.
I think most of characters should get their stun abilities taken away and oldest characters with metal should either keep or get their stun abilities back because there's too much stunners
Tf? No lol that's just an walking npc meant to stun the exe and has an hp of a normal player, slowing ain't gonna cut it either since his turrets are already the ones slowing
@@minosprimus atleast eggman will have something to protect himself plus it lasts more than 2 seconds, it also can be used as a distraction if you actually thought about the ability
Give the turrets a shock radius that will activate on button cooldown and only have the radius apply to the turret eggman is closest to so that he can help while still remaining support
I feel like eggman should have a third ability that let's him immediately ride his eggmobile. if it touches exe, it breaks. it should be as fast as metal sonics push ability.
Maybe another way to make turrets a bit more useful its making it do a small stun when the exe destroy it something like shadow's homming attack instead of a stun or like rouge's remote tramp that should make torrets more useful, example:imagine exe chasing you jetpack its on cooldown and you only avaliable ability its turret, you should place a turret before exe attacks you and jump(to cancel repairing moment) exe will attack the turret instead of you and he will get stuned or pushed, that should will make turrets way more USEFUL(in some cases) the actual eggman its not soo bad but still needs some balances to make him more useful and whit this turrets idea i think it make him less defendless and more helpful for the team🎩.
i also think shock should be added but also keep the turrets however I think that they should bring back the pre-1.2 shock were it was 2.5 seconds if that is still a problem then make the shock 1.5 second stun
Tbh I do think eggman should get his shock back because both of his abilities freezes him witch make it easy for the exe to hit him and because eggman is not really good for solos because u cant stop mid chase or any chase to build a turrets u have to rely on jetpack mainly so eggman should get his shock back to give him time to build turrets and to charge jetpack
It should be brought back because now he’s just boring.. he doesn’t even do anything anymore! He’s like cream. With his shock ability he used to be the GOAT jumping down on the exe and using hi shock ability angering the exe, Because of that Eggman used to be my main until this stupid update came.
i can confirm overheal is literally useless because when exe attacks you and you dont have much of overheal YOU TAKE SOME OF THAT DAMAGE DUDE cream has been screwed over since 1.0 her glide GONE her speedbost? NERFED dawg she was the WORST character in 1.1 because her hitbox got bigger AND the speedboost nerf man
I would say eggman should have his shock with the turrets but still the jetpack is not needed to nerf out really rouge and amy have more than two abilities exe has so many abilities by which he can kill the team eggman can have his charge back with jetpack and turrets the turrets releasing shocks would be better if its destroyed by any minion or exe
As an Eggman main, I have to disagree, Shock should not come back (at least not on Eggman). Eggman is an extreme support, what I mean by this is that he does amazing in the aspect of support but lacks self-defence. Another extreme character we can link him to is Knuckles who I deem as an extreme offence, he has the perfect set of abilities to defend himself so he can take aggro off of others, but at the same time he lacks any mobility and as such he can't reliably escape. What I'm getting at is that giving Eggman a stun is like giving Knuckles a mobility, neither of them fits the character's role and if we did give it to them it would take away their actual purpose. But the difference in why people think Knux is the best while also thinking Eggman is bad, is through the fact that the Echidna had a lot more time to be balanced (to the point of where he is almost perfect now). Meanwhile Eggman's changed role and turrets are new and haven't had much time to be worked on. A few balance changes later, I firmly believe that people will consider Eggman to be an amazing character.
I feal to make turests good or change to badnics or somting shock is good but don't realy feal for dr.eggman fit honesly i would gave it to metal sonic
i think people forget that shock was basically one of the few things that actively made the game worse simply by existing it wasn't helpful for the user in 1.2, it was just annoying it wasn't fun to go against as sonic.exe, ever since you had to wait for THE longest stun time to end, or *be forced to tank a stun simply because shock existed* shock was bad, it doesn't deserve to come back
The turrets arent bad, theyre just too weak and take a whole minute to set all them up, make them have like 100 hp and repairable, inf ammo, and take 4-5 seconds to place down
By the way at 1:58 I was wrong, my friend told me you could pick up turrets but I never knew since I don't use Eggman that much, so sorry about that.
Hello!
i was about to go into the comments to say that
@gamerultimate5132
2:17 turrets can shoot both exe and minions. It just uses 2% per enemy in the ring and in sight.
Yes I know this, I've done my testing.
I've also written a whole eggman guide that someone covered here on RUclips.
Ultimate Eggman 1.2 guide, on a Google doc.
Highly recommend looking at it.
Also if the exe destroys the turret eggman will gain his turrets back like if I placed 1 and I have 4 if exe destroys or minion destroys I'll have 5 turrets (max number or turrets)
I honestly like the idea of how egg man was done in 1.2, but I think instead of turrets it should be badnicks and he can switch the type he uses, for example maybe a drill bot type as a trap that pushes exe, or the motobugs to run into the exe to hit him, they can definitely be more types of badnicks but this is just an idea
That’s fucking genius
@@TDOD-ov6nr thx!
That could be a third ability for eggman while the shock is the second
@@SadGhost-666 I understand but I think egg man should have something else instead of shock, I think some other attack would be better cause shock makes egg man kinda boring, maybe a mech mechanic after being downed or smth idk I just feel like shock is okay but something else would be cool
Literally his whole thing is being resourceful and having backup plans for his backup plans, so it makes sense.
It would also be cool if Metal always knew Eggman's location, Thus protecting its creator.
I thought only I thought of that
honestly my friend is an eggman main even after the turret change, and me and him both think he should get shock back.
i personally believe to add shock onto what he already has, but give it a longer cooldown, as it should be SOLELY a last ditch effort to get away, and it’d be in line with how Eggman usually has some sort of escape plan in case his plans do fail.
Great minds think a like. This imo would also sudo buff how his jetpack works. This also is ez to do.
@RaginRockyXL yeah, because there’s basically no way to charge jetpack when being chased even by just a MINION unless you’ve got enough health to tank a hit from one and still not be one shot to kolossos or small exe
2:11 you don’t even know the half of it
Because heres the thing; if a minion decides that it wants to invalidate your ENTIRE character, all it has to do is chase you around.
If you stop to try and place a new turret or repair it, the minion is right behind you ready to punish you for not running.
You have to hope any minion on the field isn’t smart enough to think about doing that, or have a bodyguard to protect you 😭
FUN FACT EVERYONE MISSES:
Turrets shoot exe and minions. Both at the SAME TIME
Uses 2% per enemy in the ring.
Though minions are still a huge pain in the rear. Turret towers can help stop this problem if you have that much time.
Made a whole guide on it.
Ultimate Eggman Guide 1.2
@AceOfSpade27236 huh, I actually didn’t know that the same turret could hit 2 enemies at once
Might have to edit my comment about that part
I still feel the same about the whole “Minion chasing you” thing
@BeetrootDude yeah there's no changing what happens if a minion chases you if they do.
Please take a look at the Ultimate Eggman 1.2 guide though pleeaaasseee broooo
1:03 it's a risky move but here's a tip: if you're thinking on using jetpack during a chase, the MOMENT you press jetpack immediately release it (recommend using it to get on to high ground)
I feel like a simple solution is to make the turrets shock/stun EXE when he breaks them, giving more incentive for the exe to not just insta kill the turret and move on with his day and make them a meaningful area denial like they’re supposed to be
no? that'd be annoying as hell and exe could just target eggman
@@bobman-tv2de Sonic already does.
@@Looona_fan huh
@@bobman-tv2de Most of the time, it is just easier to go for Robotnick rather than the turrets.
so basically you just can't destroy them without getting an unfair stun
One of my suggestions could be a fake out turret, where its a turret but it is much weaker but when the exe attacks it it lets out a shock stunning the exe for atleast 2-3 seconds, i am a eggman main but its really hard to solo with him.
maybe outlaik could bring back shock but without the stun, like sally's second ability so he wouldn't be that vulnerable
Ideas for egg I came up with. Typed this on a previous video so I’m just copying and pasting here. Buff 1: Turrets health should not be based on their ammo. I’ve seen minions hit a turret and when they do the ammo goes down, meaning the ammo is also the turrets health. Give turrets their own set of health.
Buff 2 : Eggman should have different gadgets to enhance his turrets. Eggman is a mastermind and great with machines, I mean he literally built metal Sonic and his grandfather made Shadow, two strong characters in the franchise. So you think we would have tricks up his sleeve to make his turrets stronger.
Item 1,Energizer : If eggman is standing near a turret, he can insert a rechargeable battery inside of the turret. This will play a special animation, and requires either tails or metal to help him with it. One inserted, said turret will become buffed, glowing a small gold. If an exe is in the turrets range, it will shoot at a much faster pace and slow him down at the same pace all 5 turrets would. The exe can destroy the turret but it will take two hits instead of one (three hits for minions) has a 28 sec cooldown
Item 2, Explosive: Eggman can strap an explosive to one of his turrets. If any exe tries to destroy this turret it will have a medium sized explosion and push the exe for 3 sec. If the exe collides with any object wile being pushed back, he will be knocked down for 2 sec.
18 sec cooldown.
Item 3, Enhancer: Eggman can choose to enhance one of his turrets. This will play a new animation with eggman using a hammer instead of his hands, (will need to build the new enhanced turret like u would an og one). Once finished the turret will turn silver and become a little bigger. If any exe comes in range with this turret it will shoot slower but if lands 5 shots successfully, will stun the exe for 3 sec. 35 sec cooldown.
Buff 3: Make the un-enhanced turrets be able to stun exe for 2 sec if lands 15 shots successfully, there will be a counter on the exe’s head and it will start to go back down after 5 sec. This would make the turrets more useful as not only would he be slowed but has a chance to be stunned if eggman’s teammates can keep the exe in that area for a long time.
New Idea: Metal sonic should have more interactions with eggman, since he is literally his son. This would also make metal more interesting and not just be the sacrifice all the time.
Idea 1: Metal sonic at the start of the round should start sitting on the ground with him being powered down. Whoever is playing metal will get a special loading screen exclusive to him. There will be a bar on the player’s screen showing metal’s loading process. This will take 10 sec, and any exe who tries to camp will be knocked back good distance when metal powers on. This would make Metal more interesting character and it also makes sense bc he’s a robot. If there is an eggman on the team, the person playing metal will be a little bit high in the sky. The person using eggman can choose to pull out their device and choose where the carrier should drop off metal. Metal won’t be super high in the sky, but like abt the height tails glide can go, the carrier will drop metal at when it gets to a specific ground level. This would make the father and son duo more interactive with each other,
Idea 2: When metal self destructs, he can still become a minion, but he will look a lot more beat up, and move slower. Like.. this man is literally EXPLODING himself if makes sense for him to be slower and beat up.
Idea 3: This relates back to idea 1 for metal but tails can help metal load faster if he either spawns right next to him, or finds him before he finishes manually. The person playing tails will have use one of their batteries to charge metal up instantly. This battery will power whoever is playing metal on instantly and metals eyes will be gold instead of green for 15 sec. During this time metal will have a speed boost and a buff to his abilities, push stunning him for a sec longer when it ends, and grapple giving STRIKING the exe, bringing metal to him and stunning him for 2 sec. Tails will have 3 batteries, per game, and each one will have to go through an animation. If there is an eggman on the team, tails will get 3 more batteries thst gsme, having a total of 6. The person playing tails can choose to give some of their batteries to eggman. Each battery will restore metals health by 10. Batteries have a 12 sec cooldown. After the battery buff ends for the metal player, they will suffer fatigue for 5 sec, during which they can’t move. If the exe hits them during this state, they won’t take as much damage to Make it fair. Metal can still be given shields during the fatigued period and his teammates can also protect him during it,
Stuff like this would make the game more interesting imo, but can also create new tech and strategies. Also fix eggman’s grab why do his legs just sink in the ground? Make it like the egg grab from 1.1
I’m dead after typing all this… send help…
Funnily enough, those first two items were an idea that I had in my own video a few weeks back. Even the names are the same. Nice to know that other people share the same ideas as me.
@@Looona_fan Yea lol. It’s such a small world out here. But its always nice to know that someone had the exact same idea
Despite the amount of yap you dropped, I fully agree and support your ideas. I'm a Kolossos main and istg, if I end up getting Egghead, I seriously don't go after them because I feel bad for them using a character that was done dirty. But if that player was or is being toxic, I'm grabbing them and sending them to Brazil.
@@DarkFlareonX lol. Yea I just had a head full of stuff thats why there so much. I play both exes when ever I want but it’s just sad to see how quickly I can drop and egghead bc there’s nothing he can do. It feel even more bad when there is a load if minions in him. I might just start doing nothing until the exit spawns if it’s an egg bc if we’re being honest. Bro got worse treatment than tails has
This would be revolutionary for eggman as it opens plenty of playstyles for the fat man
For example: if eggman were to use the explosive strapped turrets, you'd basically have a land mine field of which sonic or any of the minions would have trouble reaching any survivors without getting pushed back (and possibly get stunned)
It's sad that the game is on a hiatus so they cant update the characters but I have some ideas ngl for him
-shock and turrets and jetpack for abilities
-big exe takes 2 hits to destroy the turrets and for smol it takes 3 hits to destroy one(including minions)
-jetpack charges MUCH faster
And uh that's all
If eggman would get shock back, I think there should be some sort of rework, like making it similar to Sally’s EMP, or keep it the same as eggman from 1.2 alpha, only tweaked like giving it startup s or not making it blockable. Keeping the stun time 2 seconds would balance him out.
In my opinion, I think Eggman should get his shock back but *keep the turrets* I feel like his shock would be more of a defense mechanism rather than something to just always use on exe, like if he's running from exe after placing a turret or if trying to fix a turret then he can use his shock to stun exe so he'll have some time to run for a bit and possibly get saved by other survivors instead, shock only lasted about a second or 2 anyway so it wasn't even that much of a stun
another idea is something my friend suggested, which is Eggman should be able to control one of his turrets if he's next to it and instead of shooting regular bullets that slow exe he can instead charge up the turret he's on and use it to stun exe from a distance like Tails, prob wouldn't last as long but it'd make him more helpful
Imo, they could keep the turrets and current jetpack feature AND add shock, but instead of it being AoE, it can be a shield like Knuckles’ Block where if exe hits him, they get stunned. This’ll give Eggman more time to charge his jetpack for horizontal movement to get to teammates or something and not just be a braindead stun
Here's what to do to make eggman good.
Give him shock back, make it able to go through block and minions without going away, make the stun 2.5, and then lastly, keep the rest of his kit.
Some other things with shock could be keep the 2 sec stun and keep it block able, but just make it's CD 15 sec
Eggman’s jetpack is honestly fine being controlled differently.
His turrents are somewhat decent… but there should be a nerf to the lunge and spindash when in contact. They’re really bad for the movement.
And he needs the shock. With a nerf of the stun (2.5 seconds is better than 2), make it faster to land and he’ll be able to run away.
But I don’t get why Outlaik made him worse since his hitbox is large.
They also nerfed my man model
As someone who used to main Robotnick, I really liked this video. His changes in each game were interesting, to say the least.
In 1.0, he was op.
In 1.1, he was well balanced.
In the 1.2 alpha, he was pointless and bad, do to the mutiple nerfs that were givin to jetpack-boost and shock.(Yes, he was nerfed into the floor in both the 1.2 alpha and 0.75.)
In the 1.2 full release, he has a role, but he feels underpowered, especially since the two other characters that have an effect on speed are just better.
I would like to give my input on Robotnick though, if thats ok with you. I feel like bringing back shock would make him a combination of Blaze and Sally, except he would be worse than both. Instead, he should be givin a bunch of different abilities that have a niche, but useful role to help out the team. His whole thing is having tricks up his sleeves and having backup plans for his backup plans, so it makes sense for him to be like that in this game. He should still keep the sentries, but should also gain more abilities to debuff Sonic, buff him teammates, and make moving the sentries easier. The fact that a minion can stand on a sentry and force Robotnick to take damage while trying to pick the thing up makes him really bad.
I agree with you, maybe the turrets could slow him more, or maybe when an exe destroys them, they would get a debuff similiar to Sally's emp for like a second, or just make his jetpack startup spammable like Blaze's heatwave, if you know what i mean.
The problem of eggman is:
-His jetpack don't ever work to run because how you need to charge to use it
-His turrets barely do something, example, agains sonic.exe it don't do anything because he is too fast and maybe he do a little affect to kollosos but is not enough.
I mean, if you want a support is better cream, silver or sally than eggman, atleast two help from distance and one can save you from attacks or grabs
I doubt that eggman whonna have back his shock because if im not wrong outlaik sy he don't want more stunners, in other words, the reason why eggman loose the shock is because they put blaze who is a stunner.
Maybe idk, give eggman a laser gun to shoot from short distance like silver or turrets who really make something (maybe something like that you can upgrade them or something like that and order the turrets to shoot a misile to stun sonic or something idk).
Eggman was one of the most used characters in the past, now you barely see one and they or die because they aren't playing or because well, eggman is not too good.
Fair enough, but most popular idk bout that one, but besides that yeah, we also gotta remember that this game is buggy, and laggy sure not for everyone but point in case, Rollback for Dragon Ball fighters Z. It's not as bad of a thing as when the character themselves are made well enough that they supercede those negatives and boom. Best example, Metal Sonic.
@@RaginRockyXL with popular i mean he was in all match's because how easy he was to use so yeah, he was a popular one like knuckles, tails and amy.
The lag and bugs don't have anything, if eggman don't hve a propper escape habilitie then is a bad support.
The shock was super clutch back in 1.0. But unfortunately, it got nerfed so freaking hard and got replaced, but I think it was for the good. I would like instead of the turrets a remote control Badnick that you can drive into the exe and self destruct. I still love the idea of the turrets tho.
heres what I wanna suggest to eggman to atleast have some defense he Carries a turret in his hand if he picks it up with E or Pick up button on mobile This also shoots exe while in your hand can also be good since it only gets destroyed if egg is hit or downed if it runs out u have to repair again and put it down
Thats not even a stun anymore😭
Bro straight up just has a Potted pea shooter on hand
One cool combo with rouge and eggman, Eggman would place his turret and rouge would place the bomb as well as the tracker.
Me and my friend actually used that combo before, good thinking.
Thx
I also love how I’m not the only one playing this game anymore
After watching this video, I've come up with reasons why this is just a bad idea to bring shock back.
1: Another stunner really isn't needed.
2. Support in this game already don't have a lot of variety, and making offense support just seems counterintuitive since you can't support and use stuns at the same time.
3. Adding turrets and shock would be a NIGHTMARE to deal with as Sonic, and if your team is half decent you basically win for free.
4. You are underselling the distance jetpack gives. It's a preemptive move, and shouldn't be used when Sonic is already near.
5. You state that Eggy falters if he can't get to his team in time. But if you were away from your team in the first place, something has gone horribly wrong. And if the Sonic forced you away, then they should be rewarded for forcing suboptimal play.
6. EMP serves a very similar function to shock when you compare them.
7. Shock is a nightmare to balance in of itself. It's either too good, or just mid.
8. Turrets also tend to waste more time for the exe than shock normally does.
9. Shock IS braindead. You get the effect of a Sally shield (no speed boost I know, but lets be real here) and you can stun Sonic, or block off tighter enclosed areas. Worst comes to worst for the Eggman player, Sonic is forced to wait out attacking you for 4 seconds. And if that's the worst outcome, that's bad game design.
10: Kind of an opinion sure, but shock is boring, and stunning should take at least SOME skill. Think about it. Arm cannon, hammer throw, orb, and grapple all take some skill to land in aiming. Punch, hammer attack and spin, EMP, homing attack, boost, flashbang, push, fire tornado, and heatwave all require you to risk being damaged. And remote bomb takes setup. Shock? None of them, and you may argue that you must risk getting hurt, but if you miss shock, you still stop sonic for 4 seconds bare minimum.
So that's all my problems with shock coming back. I'm sure there is more, but I don't want this comment to go forever.
I wish eggman's turrets did just a tiny bit of knockback. They'd make him able to defend himself.
Without shock, or any other defense, Eggman is just a low walking gimmick
2:57 just delete block from the game lol
I mean, outlaik is a good developer, but he is so bad at making his game fair for everyone like he's so silly about it 😮💨
well, actually. it's both him and the testers fault
since the tester's are just cannonically trying to act stupid for fun
The point of removing shock is so that he can have turrets but ironically he needs shock in his kit more than ever. Turrets aren't the worst but Eggman is not like Cream or Sally where he has a reliable get away ability as his ability is reliant on being near an edge that *doesn't* have a climbable. He *needs* to have a 3rd ability, whether it's shock or not. Given the balance history of TD I don't have high hopes that shock would make a return, so at least another gadget ability could make Eggman fun again. I can't think of an idea of what that 3rd ability could look, but as it stands Eggman is interchangeable with Rouge however worse.
Idk what to say but for some reason the 1.2 eggman jetpack charge up in ur vid was pretty slow like I didn’t remember it to be that slow. Maybe be able to place 6 turrets? Or do the great idea abt the badnicks like that guy mentioned up here I think
i mean some characters have more than 2 abilities so i wouldn't see why eggman should js have 2 we could have turrets and shock + jetpack but a bit tweaked
Eggman was always defenseless in the sonic.exe games so that’s why he’s defenseless in td
He had his laser gun in Sonic exe Spirits of Hell round 2. (Sally exe whisper of soul)
I mean, Classic Eggman I can understand it, but it is Modern Eggman, and well... Modern Eggman is a f4 tank, or ask it that on the Comics, like, being serius, is like a 3 foots man on a world with furrys, or especially with Small Exe, Moder Eggman can just grab him like a Toy and threw him away.
To where I want to go is that: Being totally defenseless DOESN'T fit Eggman, even if he don't have his machines
shock should be added back with a few changes, like for one, it should be a simple push back type stun similarly to how sonic jumps back when he gets shocked in the sonic games, with a longer cooldown since his turrets and jetpack can do really good
Yeah I feel like eggman needs to have his shock back cause I don’t think most eggman mains are having fun with no defense ability anymore infact one of my friends who used to be a eggman main is no longer a eggman main eggman is more of a “just in case” character for them like if one of their mains gets stolen and eggman is available to play as then they will be eggman
i think eggman could get back shock, just a bit weaker
I think it could work like sallys emp, but the slowdown comes after a small stun, about the amount of after metals push, then a slightly short slowdown.
Cooldown could be about slightly shorter than knuckles punch.
This is actually my experience playing eggman.
Minions basically to never ever use turrets.
Turrets doesn't make the exe slower than you. 💀
Jetpack is genuinely pretty during when you fall or use jump pad, too bad you preplanned this set up so you wouldn't die after a few seconds.
Turrets can hit people above or below, just not too much.
Atp, just bring shock back or just make changes with turrets
Turrets don't make exe slower than you.
Fun fact: Turrets set the exe and minions to a set speed.
Fun fact 2: Turrets can shoot more than 1 target, 2% per enemy.
Fun fact 3: I have a whole guide about this and I'm getting tired of people not knowing. Ultimate Eggman guide 1.2, someone made a video about it and im p sure my guide doc is there.
Its not even on your channel-
@ashtonjr I know. I sadly can't make a yt video about it.
I did make the whole doc tho, go ham and do as you please.
@@AceOfSpades27236 I mean, you can make it as an documentary instead tho but anyways, where do you open the doc?
im so glad somebody agrees with my points
I LOVE eggmans new jetpack, i think it gave it more of a way to escape with your big ass hitbox
but the turrets arent that useful
they only when someone is trying to stun the exe, but then again if its kolosos your whole power is fucked
and this leads me on to my next question
Outlaik.....
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HE ALREADY HAS A BIG HITBOX!
theres no need to make him worse in chase, he needs shock back, ive been playing this game since the first ever sandbox, and ive been an eggman main, FOR YEARS!
i still play him, but i just dont pick him as often anymore!
sure his jetpack is "good" but creams is better. Wanna know why?
Because it lasts WAYYY longer than the jetpack, she can EASILY run to another teamate, or a spring to get away
Now lets talk about sally, yes, she can use her shield to help other teamates, and YES that does mean her shield is on a cooldown as well,
BUT EGGMAN DOES NOT HAVE THAT!
EVEN WHEN SALLY USES HER SHIELD SHE CAN GET AWAY BY USING HER EHP!
WTF IS FATASS GONNA DO?
all the other supports have a way of getting away or maybe even fighting back,
But eggman needs his shock,
If Outlaik REALLY wants the turrets in, give them a range nerf, keep jetpack how it is, and give eggman.. his shock back
thats all i have to say
I could go on for hours on why i think eggman needs his shock back but im not gonna sit here typing forever
I wish outlaik actually listened to good suggestions on eggman abilities 🙏
He does its just that they don't exist
I think this should help
If you hate eggman,with this combo you should think again about it:
Rouge-eggman: put your turret everywhere you want,then,your friend (rouge) will put rouge bomb and mini-radar inside or very close to the turret,making that turret into a *SUPER TURRET*
Here what it does: many times exe really hate turret and attack them quicly,so,this Will be a perfect trap for making him try attack,but the radar Will spot exe,and the bomb will stun him a push him,and turret Will slow him,best combo-trap ever
Another combo is...
Tails-eggman
Here what this does:
So we all know tails can repair turrets,so when eggman put a turret,exe will try attack it,but tails will stun it,while exe is stunned turret Will slow it,but losing energy,so sometimes,after this,eggman Will be chased,but he can use jetpack,and while exe is chasing eggy,tails can repair that or those turret/s
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i think they should add an ability where you can explode the turret which knocks him back like knuckle's block ability just with like a 30 second cooldown
Tbf, I used to be an Eggman main in 1.1 because he had the shock, but now I'm a metal sonic main because the turrets barely do any damage to the exes.
^ Also I'm completely defenseless when playing as Eggman in 1.2
Turrets don’t do anything
Keep seeing these comments and honestly I have to say. Eggman's kit would be amazing if this were any other game. Something I don't like about this game (or any others like it) is the overreliance on stuns. With hitboxes being ass, ping, and exe just being stupid fast in general, your only real counter is to punch him in the face, fling him off cliffs, and generally shut him down as much as possible to keep him from attacking in the first place. Each juke is essentially a coinflip whether or not you get hit. Sometimes midas himself blesses you and you neo past the exe for the entire round. Other times he hits you midair from the floor and you die instantly.
As it stands, a good exe will always win because they will make you flip the coin endlessly. And he only needs you to lose once.
Think of all the times you had the exe trapped in a corner, or all the times your entire team died in 30 seconds. Was that fun? Was that engaging? Chances are you found those incredibly boring. All you did was group up in one spot, and keep pressing E before running away so someone else can press E. Or someone didn't, and the exe proceeded to kill everything.
Honestly TR:UD was pretty good at avoiding this for a while (which was probably a fluke, because they proceeded to give almost every character a stun) by giving people abilities that were useful without just shutting down the killer. Dodges, hiding, long distance detectors. If avoiding the killer was an option, so many things could be more useful than they currently are.
Heres a quick fix to jetpack, reply if u have a better idea if u want: So eggmans jetpack can work a bit like shadows dash from previous versions. When on the ground it will act like dash somewhat making you fly forward no charge up needed. But when ur mid air from jumping or falling, it changes to the jetpack we see in 1.2 (full version) the one that is used when u dont charge it up. Also it gives you i frames if you use the dash.
You can remove your turrets by clicking your then clicking b this is for Xbox idk about mobile or pc 2:05
Turrets aren't that good and in 1.2 prototype shock wasn't that good so if we combine the two abilities we get a decent-ish character
tbh i think cream should get her normal heal back but slighly buffed just keeping the slow ticks of healing, eggman wasn't the only one screwed over by the update cream isn't necessary anymore since overheal is kinda useless since when you overheal someone (knucks or amy or whatever stunner) they have their attacks on Cd so the overheal runs out eventually and also Simply Kolossos screws over overheal lol.
As for eggman i think it would be cool moving the turrets to some sort of minion of eggman like a badnik, or just make turrents stun after x shots
Tails was also screwed over in the update(at least to me).
The extra stun time is not worth the cannon delay. They massacred my boi :(
I do agree with you on Cream's heal, tho. Overheal only seems to be useful for stalling time when a teammate's been grabbed.
I really want the 1.2 Alpha back in some shape or form...
tbh, Tails is in something like canon or even Sonic. exe Spirits of hell can both fly a lot for a long time with a very vertical thing, but tails in TD feel a lot more weighty and can't even go up something canon tails would easily go over. I know balance stuff is complicated, but come on, tail's glide barely gives any speed, and it's easy to counter (as exe, just follow him while being below him, and tails will get tired very fast, bruh). As for his stun, it really is not worth the delay, especially since you can miss and have to wait another half a minute to even use your stun (Knucks and Amy have the same issue). On another topic, Amy doesn't get inv frames when using hammer spin and can get hit due to the 'lovely' hitbox of the game. But yeah, a lot of characters were made a lot weaker than Exe by nerfing them harshly instead of buffing Exe. (Blaze has a lot of funky hitboxes, by the way.)
@@Yuuk1_09 Yeah, Tails as a whole needs a buff at this point.
I'm in denial about my favorite character being ruined so I still main him, but it's super hard. Doesn't help that Exes like to immediately go after Tails. Now with the fly nerf, I can't get up onto most platforms.
Gotta love those wonky hitboxes, tho. I've hit Blaze and Amy before when they were still in the middle of attacking (Hammer Spin and Fire Tornado are wonky asf).
I get why Outlaik is on hiatus at the moment but I do hope he gets around to fixing these issues eventually.
The two new characters are not worth the nerfs to most of the other characters.
blaze's flame punch is also very wonky in hitbox sometimes it hits sometimes it doesn't (Also amy's hammer spin needs a buff to its stun time). i get why outlaik is in hiatus too but i am pretty sure sega just doesn't want others profiting from their franchise so its probably just the Donations that kinda screwed up outlaik since TD did show he was getting donated a Lot of robux. but i hope he does return faster since the game is still quite the mess on the bugs. also Silver is just slighly better tails who can actually escape since he has a speed boost unlike tails who's speed is capped in 'Fly' at the 'small cost' of silver having to aim a Non instant projectile which has splash damage (basically not much of a change to how tails played but with assistance due to splash damage if you just hit close enough)
@@Yuuk1_09 Blaze is almost RNG because of her hitboxes, but she is fun if everything works properly.
I also remember seeing that someone donated around 40,000 robux on the leaderboard and that's just one of many, many people who have done the same. If Outlaik used the Devx feature, he could make a lot of money out of the game and of course it could get him in legal trouble with Sega.
I'm just really hoping future bug fixes will improve the game because it's still fun, just incredibly flawed in it's current state. Far from a finished game.
Also, it's funny that you mention Silver because I've actually started to play as Silver a lot, since he has a more reliable ranged attack. The splash is super helpful against Minions and the Exe when they're grouped up together and helps new players with hitting the Exe.
I'm still partial to Tails as a character, lol.
i think he needs electrical shield like sally;s so he can defend himself for a 5sec
I was an Eggman made before metal sonic blaze and silver and the reason I stop playing him at all was cause the shock ability got taken off that was a huge Nerf that ability was broken. I think that is why he got Nerfed
What do the turrets even do? NOTHING. We need shock ability back.
i think it would be good for eggman if he could move while using the jatpack, it would improve a lot his gameplay. Shock could be an ability for the turrets, that instead of stuning the exe it could make him really slow for 6 seconds or less, i think would make playing with him as i think a "support" better.
eggman does have the ability to pick up his turrets but it does put his placement on cooldown
Eggman should have a passive that is like in the games to make him easier to play (not absurd though)
Like he gets (a bit) faster when exe is near him.
I can suggest the new ability in the 1.3 version
Eggman can have his egg mobile to fly him around for 5 seconds
I want to make a S.E: TD fangame when i learn how to do it, and Eggman will have some abilities that will benefit the team, and make them be safe too, if i ever make the game, Eggman will have: Shock (F) (same as 1.1)
Stun Turret (C) (idk what to call it really)
Jetpack (3 uses) (pressing (E) on the ground will cause Eggman to charge for a second and go forward fast) (pressing (E) mid air will cause Eggman to use the 1.1 Jetpack) (pressing (Spacebar) mid air will cause Eggman to go up really fast)
And finally Hack (Q near a specific object or place in some specific maps) (will cause some things to activate helping the team)
I think if he had shock from like 1.2 prototype but like only 3 turrets it would be pretty fair
Okay so something that people doesn't understand, Shock wasn't healthy for the game and THIS IS the actual reason of his removal, shock was either too OP or too bad, yes the ability was braindead, don't get me wrong, i prefer Eggman with Shock but we need to be real on this, Eggman had 5 seconds of shock duration, meaning if he didn't landed his shock, he would get a free shield of 5 seconds, or EVEN landing his shock at his last frame or last second if you prefer and make Eggman invincible for 8 seconds, which other stunners couldn't
In other words Eggman doesn't get punished for missing his ability or not, it's was basically a free win if you barely knew how to use shock, same goes to evasion, having no counter play and just being a button press to win, that's why Sally's EMP might get removed in future updates cause Outlaik considers it like a Shock-like ability
In other words, Eggman could ambush the exe very easily or become a wall for 5 SECONDS making exe lose track of other survivors, plus having jetpack which jetpack is a very powerful ability (the reason why ladders still exists nowadays) Eggman was one of the most powerful characters, his only weakness being big hitboxes and maybe having big cooldowns but again it wasn't a problem in 1.1
Eggman in 1.2 prototype had a bigger CD for his shock but mostly a less stun time (2 seconds) Even Shadow's tackle did much more, Shock was a very powerful ability and really helpful for Eggman and his team, but it was making exe players raging cause you can't do anything against Eggman's shock, oh yeah Kolossos' Block ? Remember that Sonic.exe is still in the game, he maybe can dodge it but most of the time dodging doesn't work, not because an exe has a "counter" against Eggman that it means that Shock isn't OP
In conclusion, Shock was too broken and unfixable nowadays, meaning that shock getting removed was NECESSARY, Turrets helps the team way more than shock, stalling the early game, Eggman can't really do anything to defend himself and ITS ALRIGHT, the whole point of TD is not having characters able to defend themselves and making them Knuckles 2.0, it's different gameplay style
If shock gets added back it'll probably become an offense ability instead of stun
Ngl I feel like bringing his shock ability back would be perfect because then he would be able to have time to charge up his jetpack and go far
Eggman is defenseless without Any antrophobic animals protecting bro shock being removed just sucked ngl plus the turrets do barely Anything
The only thing saving your ass as eggman is high ground that barely has ladders
I Like The Shock Over The Turrets Sense I See That You Can Break Them as a EXE, and The Shock Fells Good Just to Electrocute EXE's with it!
Besides The Game Only Has 4 Stunners but Now 3?! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!
Anyways I'm Also Sure That The Shock Returns in 1.3, Like Hammer Throw Removed in 1.1 and Returned in 1.2.
I think most of characters should get their stun abilities taken away and oldest characters with metal should either keep or get their stun abilities back because there's too much stunners
a good idea is to let eggman spawn a moto-bug that goes to exe and stuns him, and is destroyable like the turrets, but you need to hit it 2 times
This is a pretty neat idea not gonna lie.
Tf? No lol that's just an walking npc meant to stun the exe and has an hp of a normal player, slowing ain't gonna cut it either since his turrets are already the ones slowing
@@minosprimus atleast eggman will have something to protect himself plus it lasts more than 2 seconds, it also can be used as a distraction if you actually thought about the ability
@@galaxybaconyoutube then what would his turrets be used for in that case if there is already a better one?
@@minosprimus slowing exe so the moto-bug can catch up
From what i seen in the turrets at first, it was as a distraction for exe
Give the turrets a shock radius that will activate on button cooldown and only have the radius apply to the turret eggman is closest to so that he can help while still remaining support
Tails could help as he can repair turrets too
Give him his 1.2 prototype shock, to was weak, but a stun. And since he has turrets still- it’s balanced. So the weaker shock and turrets = balanced
I feel like eggman should have a third ability that let's him immediately ride his eggmobile. if it touches exe, it breaks. it should be as fast as metal sonics push ability.
2:08 what? Just press r and the turret will be removed (idk if i misunderstood that statement so pls dont attack me)
Maybe another way to make turrets a bit more useful its making it do a small stun when the exe destroy it something like shadow's homming attack instead of a stun or like rouge's remote tramp that should make torrets more useful, example:imagine exe chasing you jetpack its on cooldown and you only avaliable ability its turret, you should place a turret before exe attacks you and jump(to cancel repairing moment) exe will attack the turret instead of you and he will get stuned or pushed, that should will make turrets way more USEFUL(in some cases) the actual eggman its not soo bad but still needs some balances to make him more useful and whit this turrets idea i think it make him less defendless and more helpful for the team🎩.
Probably, they should turn the shock into an offense
i also think shock should be added but also keep the turrets however I think that they should bring back the pre-1.2 shock were it was 2.5 seconds if that is still a problem then make the shock 1.5 second stun
Best eggman idea leave him as he is and add the shock perfect eggman
I just feel like the devs just hate eggman cos they buffed Knuckles, gave Rouge a stun and gave us two new stunners
Tbh I do think eggman should get his shock back because both of his abilities freezes him witch make it easy for the exe to hit him and because eggman is not really good for solos because u cant stop mid chase or any chase to build a turrets u have to rely on jetpack mainly so eggman should get his shock back to give him time to build turrets and to charge jetpack
Unfortunately it’s confirmed he’s not getting shock back, I personally think he should get a trap he can place to stun exe
Yes he should have his shock ability back but as his 3rd ability so he wont be more defenseless
I think he needs a few buffs but is overall pretty good
It should be brought back because now he’s just boring.. he doesn’t even do anything anymore! He’s like cream. With his shock ability he used to be the GOAT jumping down on the exe and using hi shock ability angering the exe, Because of that Eggman used to be my main until this stupid update came.
i can confirm overheal is literally useless because when exe attacks you and you dont have much of overheal YOU TAKE SOME OF THAT DAMAGE DUDE
cream has been screwed over since 1.0 her glide GONE her speedbost? NERFED dawg she was the WORST character in 1.1 because her hitbox got bigger AND the speedboost nerf man
He does not block hands he clicks a button
I love my boi eggy but ye if his turrets dont fet buffed
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@nicolasoloeriu.6056 ty!
I would say eggman should have his shock with the turrets but still the jetpack is not needed to nerf out really rouge and amy have more than two abilities exe has so many abilities by which he can kill the team eggman can have his charge back with jetpack and turrets the turrets releasing shocks would be better if its destroyed by any minion or exe
Couldn’t they have just added turrets to Dr.Robotniks moveset, rather than replacing?
Very Shocking Indeed
As an Eggman main, I have to disagree, Shock should not come back (at least not on Eggman).
Eggman is an extreme support, what I mean by this is that he does amazing in the aspect of support but lacks self-defence. Another extreme character we can link him to is Knuckles who I deem as an extreme offence, he has the perfect set of abilities to defend himself so he can take aggro off of others, but at the same time he lacks any mobility and as such he can't reliably escape.
What I'm getting at is that giving Eggman a stun is like giving Knuckles a mobility, neither of them fits the character's role and if we did give it to them it would take away their actual purpose.
But the difference in why people think Knux is the best while also thinking Eggman is bad, is through the fact that the Echidna had a lot more time to be balanced (to the point of where he is almost perfect now).
Meanwhile Eggman's changed role and turrets are new and haven't had much time to be worked on. A few balance changes later, I firmly believe that people will consider Eggman to be an amazing character.
Fair
im not gonna read all that
so death
we do not forget that eggman has bigger hitbox than others. (height indeed but not sure about the wideness)
@@HexxinatorWhy respond if you're not gonna read it?
@@octo_nexus403honestly I feel like it's negligible. Ironically I dodge better as him than I do anyone else lol
Silver and Rouge have more skills, Egg need one more
Here's my take:give him shock just don't make it active for 50 years.
I feal to make turests good or change to badnics or somting shock is good but don't realy feal for dr.eggman fit honesly i would gave it to metal sonic
What if shock Trap ability For eggman
i think people forget that shock was
basically one of the few things that actively made the game worse simply by existing
it wasn't helpful for the user in 1.2, it was just annoying
it wasn't fun to go against as sonic.exe, ever since you had to wait for THE longest stun time to end, or *be forced to tank a stun simply because shock existed*
shock was bad, it doesn't deserve to come back
Pls put eggman shock and jet pack again
The turrets arent bad, theyre just too weak and take a whole minute to set all them up, make them have like 100 hp and repairable, inf ammo, and take 4-5 seconds to place down
I think eggman should have a gun because he had a gun in soh 🤑
Just give him 3 abilities?
(Am bfr)
also he did a spelling mistake mid video go find it heh...
How could you!
@@gamerultimate5132 😈
YES!
I say give shock back
eggman is ASS rn bro
Can you 0:06