The Sun Tree moment will NEVER be the same again, knowing that we saw Laudna there. She was there the whole time. She wasn't an insignificant NPC, she was a victim of collateral damage. A victim that in spite of her transformation continued to exist. She chose to continue to live to the fullest, in whatever way she could.
This is what i do with my npcs. Everyone has potential to be a playable character. Just as every pc has the potential to be an npc. I was so happy that marisha did this. Ofc i cried because its horrible what lauda experienced. But as a dm i loved it
@@vincentabramo7175 she knows. When she says "It gets a little fuzzy after that" she's not saying she blacked out. She's saying that other stuff happened to her that she doesn't want to talk about.
The ear part is soul crushing because from that far away no one would see that, but they did it anyways. Then, there is the metaphor of Delilah whispering in her ear for the past 30 years since this has happened.
When I watched LoVM, I was actually waiting to hear Laudna's name just as some throwaway line, since we already knew the Briarwoods had killed her around that time. Then 3 days later this was revealed.
You know what the craziest part about all this is? This is all improv. But no, really think about it. How many times have y'all had hypothetical conversations in the shower or lying in bed? I can only image all the millions of scenarios that Marisha went through when thinking about how Laudna was going to make this reveal and yet through all of that, she can never be able to predict who was going to hear this tale and what they were going to say. And just like that, she drops that line, "Well, of course. The worst thing that's ever happened to me has already happened." Even her husband had a reaction to that line, that's been sitting in her brain for so long. It's remarkable that Marisha knows her character so well and has perfected this craft to such an extent that just like that, she manages to pull that out of her proverbial hat. What a damn chilling line to say in that moment. I was convinced Marisha was a stellar actress before but this moment takes the cake. Unbelievable.
And she delivered it in such a way that is not melodramatic, not ironic, not as a throwaway. In a way that tells me that Laudna has thought deeply about it and come to terms with her situation quite a while ago. Ie, just as you describe Marisha’s process.
your not the only one, this episode, that line. Hit me like a bullet train and helped pull me out of a slump and really recontextualise the way I looked at my depression. I'm not sure that Marisha will ever fully understand how much of an impact that one line has had for so many critters
It felt so rewarding to me that my theory I had regarding Laudna's death actually came true. I am a new critter since last year and only watched C1 until the beginning of the Briarwood Arc. I watched The Legend of Vox Machina and as soon as Laudna said in one of the earlier episodes that "Whitestone was turned upside down looking for them" (Vox Machina) I had the sneaking suspicion that she was a victim from the sun tree. What an awesome idea Marisha, I love it! :D
There's a lot about Critical Role that doesn't click for me, but these character moments? These are worth more than all the wealth in the world. I enjoyed LoVM, and I would like to see animated series of the other campaigns as well.
So I'm still a little unclear, but I guess Laudna was supposed to be Vex's stand-in? I know Keyleth's stand-in just had red paint run through her hair, so it's possible she was Keyleth's, but Laudna does more or less resemble Vex as-is.
I could be entirely wrong about this, Marisha would need to confirm, but based on context clues it seems like yes, she was meant to be Vex's stand-in. Especially since this is the DND version, not the show version which is a totally different canon that added new things to it like changing the appearance of the Keyleth stand-in.
@@Thanewolf26 From what i can recall, she mentioned she was basically around 20 years old when it happened. Otherwise she wouldn't look the way she does, which is the same form as when she died. so somewhere in her 20's to 30's, essentially. Which is why everyone thinks it's Vex!
@@Thanewolf26 As stated above, Laudna doesn't really age anymore after coming back from the dead. The way she looks now is the way she looked when she came down from the tree. So it had to either be Vex or Keyleth. One would expect her to pick her own character, Keyleth, but her description of Laudna looks a lot more like Vex.
@@Thanewolf26 Pike was also not hung from the sun tree in the campaign, Tiberius and Trinket were instead. So even if the age was correct, she couldn't have been Pike. I still think she was Keyleth.
they will, they just announced a new interview style show...I can't say I remember what the name of it is, but i believe the first episodes airs soon and will have Matt, Robbie, Marisha, and...someone else? to start
Thinking about it, if TLoVM didn’t show what happened leading up to the Sun Tree, it probably would’ve taken everyone a lot longer to put it together because they wouldn’t have really known that’s how it happened
Does anyone know the name of the background song that plays when Laudna says "Well, of course! The worst thing that has happened to me has already happened"? really lovely piece of music, the arpeggios on the piano move me so much ;-;7
In the first campaign, the party Vox Machina traveled to Whitstone to fight the Briarwoods. When they arrived they found 7 innocent people (children included) dressed and made to look like them dead and handing from a tree in the center of town. The reveal is that Laudna was one of the civilizans tortured and strung up by the Briarwoods to send a message to Vox Machina
The Pike stand-in was Marisha’s first idea yeah, but she thought that having a dead child as her character for the whole campaign would be problematic (hollow ones don’t age in lore). So she chose the Vex stand-in instead.
oh fuck, man I stopped watching CR3 after the episode where they went on a datr with that orc, I thought the campaign was going no where and was boring. shitttttt I didnt know this is what would be happening, god damn I need to catch up
I can't take anymore of Delilah shit, it was a good twist when she came back on the first campaign, but then happend again and again, can someone please put her to sleep for good...
@@jasonmendez4836 Apparently, but i suspect that its not because of her being a necromancer but for being one of the most hyped villian on CR history...
@@GabrielLima-ny6oe She's also one of the most devout followers of Vecna. Thinking she fully died is hilarious at best. This also confirms that Delilah is undead, as she's an undead patron. It's like getting mad that the Raven Queen is a big figure in Critical Role.
@@screamingopossum7809 That's so not true, even the minions of cult that willingly throw their life away for vecna are more devout than Delilah, she only serves him because he holds sylas hostage, matt has even said that vecna had threatened and punish sometimes delilah for not fulfilling her end of the bargain... The Raven Queen its not only my favorite divinity but also one of my favorites NPC, and delilah still being alive its not only a affront to her its also a demerit of the efforts of vox machina...
@@GabrielLima-ny6oe I like the idea that powerful being such as an arch necromancer leaves ripples through out their world That kind of power and rituals, her essence being tied with the corruption of white stone still impacts the world today. It's like life powerful ppl even when they die their ideas and personalities and essence still echoes in ppl today like Hitler, or Theodore Roosevelt or queen Isabella. There influence didn't ceased when they died it endured and still endures And considering the fact that this is the first clear ripple caused by the Briarwoods is insane, vecna was a literal diety and the only diety on the prime material plane, they should've been encountered effects that were caused by such a major event. It was basically Armageddon or ragnarok
The best part about this whole thing was Taliesin mouthing "we're going to TALK about this" at Marisha when it was over 😂❤
Timestamp? I can't see it
I want to know what that conversation was so badly
@@simonwilliamnoelmurray9179I watched him like a hawk the entire clip and could not find it
@@simonwilliamnoelmurray9179 it's not in this clip, but in the vod (3x17) it's at 3:13:20 ish
The Sun Tree moment will NEVER be the same again, knowing that we saw Laudna there.
She was there the whole time.
She wasn't an insignificant NPC, she was a victim of collateral damage. A victim that in spite of her transformation continued to exist. She chose to continue to live to the fullest, in whatever way she could.
This is what i do with my npcs. Everyone has potential to be a playable character. Just as every pc has the potential to be an npc. I was so happy that marisha did this. Ofc i cried because its horrible what lauda experienced. But as a dm i loved it
And Matt’s face when Marisha drops the bomb “ the worst thing that could happen to me has already happened” (paraphrased). “Damn that’s deep”
That's a face of "that's what you think combined with "there are worse things than death"
I thought it was "That's a fair point." face.
"Hold my beer"
@@vincentabramo7175 she knows. When she says "It gets a little fuzzy after that" she's not saying she blacked out. She's saying that other stuff happened to her that she doesn't want to talk about.
The ear part is soul crushing because from that far away no one would see that, but they did it anyways. Then, there is the metaphor of Delilah whispering in her ear for the past 30 years since this has happened.
VM’s collective crazy high perception did pick it up tho, it’s one of the things that made it obvious it was them
When I watched LoVM, I was actually waiting to hear Laudna's name just as some throwaway line, since we already knew the Briarwoods had killed her around that time. Then 3 days later this was revealed.
Favourite part besides the reveal was Liam's character getting ZERO sleep that night and taking a point of exhaustion
Bless our sweet killer Halfling boy's heart. A truly empathy-led fighter.
You know what the craziest part about all this is? This is all improv.
But no, really think about it. How many times have y'all had hypothetical conversations in the shower or lying in bed? I can only image all the millions of scenarios that Marisha went through when thinking about how Laudna was going to make this reveal and yet through all of that, she can never be able to predict who was going to hear this tale and what they were going to say. And just like that, she drops that line, "Well, of course. The worst thing that's ever happened to me has already happened." Even her husband had a reaction to that line, that's been sitting in her brain for so long.
It's remarkable that Marisha knows her character so well and has perfected this craft to such an extent that just like that, she manages to pull that out of her proverbial hat. What a damn chilling line to say in that moment. I was convinced Marisha was a stellar actress before but this moment takes the cake. Unbelievable.
And she delivered it in such a way that is not melodramatic, not ironic, not as a throwaway. In a way that tells me that Laudna has thought deeply about it and come to terms with her situation quite a while ago. Ie, just as you describe Marisha’s process.
I guess.. *how* she told it might have been improv. But the backstory of her being one of them on the tree she has planned out when creating Laudna.
Marisha knew she was going to have a talk with Taliesin.
Two scenes I could watch over and over without getting bored: Jester's cupcake and Laudna's Suntree reveal.
I desperately need Talks Machina for moments just like this! Also love how Marisha completely chews the scenery with all the creepy little miming.
Right here 0:20 . You can see the moment that the entire cast gets it. It's amazing
"The worst thing that has ever happened to me has already happened."
That changed something in me.
And I'm grateful for her brilliance.
your not the only one, this episode, that line. Hit me like a bullet train and helped pull me out of a slump and really recontextualise the way I looked at my depression. I'm not sure that Marisha will ever fully understand how much of an impact that one line has had for so many critters
It felt so rewarding to me that my theory I had regarding Laudna's death actually came true. I am a new critter since last year and only watched C1 until the beginning of the Briarwood Arc. I watched The Legend of Vox Machina and as soon as Laudna said in one of the earlier episodes that "Whitestone was turned upside down looking for them" (Vox Machina) I had the sneaking suspicion that she was a victim from the sun tree. What an awesome idea Marisha, I love it! :D
I fucking love Matt's face when Marisha delivers her "worst thing" line, it's just pure "I love this woman so fucking much"
Best part is watching Matt watch the entire table quietly lose their minds! Brilliant character design and story telling.
If this campaign ever gets animated everyone is going to completely lose their shit
I love when they try so hard to not laugh so they hide 😭❤️
when you yourself come to the realization, after seeing the "Legend of Vox Machina." it becomes even more horrifying.
There's a lot about Critical Role that doesn't click for me, but these character moments? These are worth more than all the wealth in the world.
I enjoyed LoVM, and I would like to see animated series of the other campaigns as well.
I’m so late but “well of course, the worst thing that’s ever happened to me has already happened” was a PHENOMENAL line
i love how this campaign has echoes of the first woven into it. from being allies with the derolos and orym allied with keyleth and then THIS.
So I'm still a little unclear, but I guess Laudna was supposed to be Vex's stand-in? I know Keyleth's stand-in just had red paint run through her hair, so it's possible she was Keyleth's, but Laudna does more or less resemble Vex as-is.
I could be entirely wrong about this, Marisha would need to confirm, but based on context clues it seems like yes, she was meant to be Vex's stand-in. Especially since this is the DND version, not the show version which is a totally different canon that added new things to it like changing the appearance of the Keyleth stand-in.
See everyone says Vex. But she the way she describes it, it sounds like she was pretty young when it happened. That makes me think she's Pikes.
@@Thanewolf26 From what i can recall, she mentioned she was basically around 20 years old when it happened. Otherwise she wouldn't look the way she does, which is the same form as when she died. so somewhere in her 20's to 30's, essentially. Which is why everyone thinks it's Vex!
@@Thanewolf26 As stated above, Laudna doesn't really age anymore after coming back from the dead. The way she looks now is the way she looked when she came down from the tree. So it had to either be Vex or Keyleth. One would expect her to pick her own character, Keyleth, but her description of Laudna looks a lot more like Vex.
@@Thanewolf26 Pike was also not hung from the sun tree in the campaign, Tiberius and Trinket were instead. So even if the age was correct, she couldn't have been Pike. I still think she was Keyleth.
Will CR have a new after show where the cast can discuss these lore drops? I miss Talks Machina...
they will, they just announced a new interview style show...I can't say I remember what the name of it is, but i believe the first episodes airs soon and will have Matt, Robbie, Marisha, and...someone else? to start
4-sided die!!
Thinking about it, if TLoVM didn’t show what happened leading up to the Sun Tree, it probably would’ve taken everyone a lot longer to put it together because they wouldn’t have really known that’s how it happened
Does anyone know the name of the background song that plays when Laudna says "Well, of course! The worst thing that has happened to me has already happened"? really lovely piece of music, the arpeggios on the piano move me so much ;-;7
ruclips.net/video/98eifOAh-Ak/видео.html
This was an awesome reveal.
The Briarwoods don’t deserve to live.
Not after what they did to Percy and Cassandra.
arlighty i'm a new CR fan who started with C3 (a mistake??? maybe!) why is this such a big deal? spoilers are fine i know what i am about.
In the first campaign, the party Vox Machina traveled to Whitstone to fight the Briarwoods. When they arrived they found 7 innocent people (children included) dressed and made to look like them dead and handing from a tree in the center of town.
The reveal is that Laudna was one of the civilizans tortured and strung up by the Briarwoods to send a message to Vox Machina
@@madielarson609 OH NO!!!! that is chilling! thank you for the context i hope you roll a Nat 20 when you need it most
Please tell me this is going to be a show too 🙏
Wait, so, the little girl who asked Lady Briarwood if they'd won a prize in TLoVM was Laudna?
The Pike stand-in was Marisha’s first idea yeah, but she thought that having a dead child as her character for the whole campaign would be problematic (hollow ones don’t age in lore). So she chose the Vex stand-in instead.
was she vex or kiki?
Vex
oh fuck, man I stopped watching CR3 after the episode where they went on a datr with that orc, I thought the campaign was going no where and was boring. shitttttt I didnt know this is what would be happening, god damn I need to catch up
I can't take anymore of Delilah shit, it was a good twist when she came back on the first campaign, but then happend again and again, can someone please put her to sleep for good...
Necromancers don't die easily bro.
@@jasonmendez4836 Apparently, but i suspect that its not because of her being a necromancer but for being one of the most hyped villian on CR history...
@@GabrielLima-ny6oe She's also one of the most devout followers of Vecna. Thinking she fully died is hilarious at best. This also confirms that Delilah is undead, as she's an undead patron.
It's like getting mad that the Raven Queen is a big figure in Critical Role.
@@screamingopossum7809 That's so not true, even the minions of cult that willingly throw their life away for vecna are more devout than Delilah, she only serves him because he holds sylas hostage, matt has even said that vecna had threatened and punish sometimes delilah for not fulfilling her end of the bargain...
The Raven Queen its not only my favorite divinity but also one of my favorites NPC, and delilah still being alive its not only a affront to her its also a demerit of the efforts of vox machina...
@@GabrielLima-ny6oe I like the idea that powerful being such as an arch necromancer leaves ripples through out their world
That kind of power and rituals, her essence being tied with the corruption of white stone still impacts the world today. It's like life powerful ppl even when they die their ideas and personalities and essence still echoes in ppl today like Hitler, or Theodore Roosevelt or queen Isabella. There influence didn't ceased when they died it endured and still endures
And considering the fact that this is the first clear ripple caused by the Briarwoods is insane, vecna was a literal diety and the only diety on the prime material plane, they should've been encountered effects that were caused by such a major event. It was basically Armageddon or ragnarok