2B just has one major flaw
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- 2B's most defining feature just might also be her biggest weakness in Grablue Fantasy Versus: Rising. I played more online matches with her to understand the character more, and also talk about some of her best and worst aspects!
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Granblue Fantasy Versus: Rising is the updated sequel to Granblue Fantasy Versus (GBVS), developed by Arc System Works (ArcSys) and released initially back in 2020. Taking place in the popular Granblue Fantasy universe, this 2.5D fighting game is known for its Skybound Arts, which are specials that have a cooldown timer, and features a wide array of popular Granblue characters including Gran, Katalina, Lancelot, Charlotta Fenia, Metera, Narmaya, Zooey, and more. Granblue Fantasy Versus: Rising incudes Rollback Netcode and is playable on Playstation 4 (PS4), Playstation 5 (PS5), and PC (Steam).
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No wonder I'm already so comfortable playing 2B! I already main a 6-framer character with Ferry lol
Whats more, Ferry probably has the least use for 66l in the entire cast (aside from 2b) just off the range she plays at and how slow she is, so Ferry mains don't have the intrusive thoughts of trying to 66l in every single interaction
Bro she has Percival's "5H at home"
That's honestly one of the best things to say when you leave mid game. Momma don't play lol
meanwhile me as a vas player watching Kizzie complaining about only having 6framers.
6 frame isn't that bad.
- The Metera Main
6 frames not the end of the world.
- The Anre/Uno main
6 frames is fine.
- The Vaseraga main
@@keo_bas tbf Anre wouldn't be that popular even with 4framer. It's Anre after all and no one likes tiny grown ass dudes with meme'ish facial hair. :P
#GiveCharlottaAComrade
@@NaoyaYami I don't think we were discussing aesthetic, and to prove your point contrary. I am an Anre fan, I love the fact he started the GBVS equivalent of the justice league. That his pragmatic and sophisticated. That he his male harvin with elegance and pleasant company.
So what does that make me?
@@keo_bas
I know discussion here is mostly about mechanical prowess. However, there aren't that many people that can completely ignore aesthethics of a character in a game that's a spin-off of waifu and husbando collecting gatcha game xD
Anre is literally number one of legendary Eternals so obviously he's an accomplished harvin and he's definitely elegant and classy. But he's still a tiny grown ass dude with a meme'ish mustache wielding a normal sized spear that's twice his height. Sorry, I do like the character but not enough to stare at him for hours while playing xD
(and it's a shame because I have almost an obsession with lack of polearm wielders in most fantasy media - for now I cope with Anila but i'll forever miss my VG from DNF).
still crazy we got 2b (once again) in a fighting game, and its granblue of all fgs lol
Though I do miss her sitting stance from SCVI. It'd be nice to have it even as just a taunt (her stretching seems more like idle anim tbh).
from my experience with this character you just have better spacing than most characters except for zoners. Believe it or not she has the worst time against zoners because her "anti-zoning" tools don't work against them. Her parry dodge allows you to always get a turn back and people usually respect you when the screen freezes lol (usually). Had to sit down and do some labbing and my god her damage is dumb like really dumb. Dumb damage into dumber setplay is why I sit comfortably at S+5 and I don't really think I need to see how the Nier matchup is (does anybody tbh?)
Your aware her grapple goes thru projectiles right? And she is invul during that pull?
Excuse me Anre main here, she invalidate zoner. Her beam moves delect projectile on reaction full screen and safe from jump in unlike Anre who needs to predict with his and be mid screen.
Her beam that pulls her does Anre plus strike thats by contrast slow, heavy risk and so so rerawrd. On top of her not having to worry about move cycling or conversion.
Her pull beam does not work against zoners? She can use it on reaction and simply ignore almost all zoning attempts by doing so.
@@NaoyaYami you try using that grappling hook on reaction to a fast projectile and watch you either trade (which means you take more damage) or lose outright lol. hell 2Bs projectiles are the most dodgeable ones in the game because of the amount startup and recovery frames all but one of her projectiles have
Does not having a 5 frame normal is that much of a deal ? She have some 6 frame on Light, it's only 1 frame difference. Also I think her combo strings are worth tradeoff for no 66L/M/H especially when she can spam her normals at such ridiculous range without worrying about whiff punish. It's just much easier to confirm like playing on baby mode, while all the characters must work their way into your face.
Not having a 5 frame light is really important, any attack that is -0 point blank is plus against 2B, against any other character, their close 5Ls would clash, 2B gets counterhit. Her auto combos are nice, but their frame Data isn't, most buttons are very minus on block or are gimmicky like 5LH or 5HL, and 5L is only plus 2 on block, meaning that point blank, 2B could lose to throw if not staggered perfectly.
It's really hard for 2B to open someone up who's just blocking and delay teching.
It's also only +2 instead of the normal +4 on block, so she cant stagger pressure as easily with her stronger buttons. You're encouraged to go into her rekka strings.
It's actually a very big deal because arcsys has balanced a lot of frame data in the game under the basis that you have a 5 frame normal. A majority of unsafe moves in this game are -5 so 2B not having a 5 frame button means 50-60% of unsafe moves in this game cannot be punished by her. That is a very significant amount of moves and a lot of these moves are lariat type moves that are designed to be unsafe because they would be very powerful neutral tools if they weren't.
I must be really bad then because I lose to her almost every time as Yuel in A+
you are in A+ so you are bad@@254trojan
I don't hate that she isn't crazy, not every character needs to be Nier or Lancelot level so I am fine, plus it's a bit early to know all the tec with 2b
Any character who costs money on top of the base roster should be op. Otherwise they're not worth it. If I'm gonna pay, I wanna win.
@@SonicMegaKingDLC characters should not be pay to win. They just need to bring something new and fun to the table.
Ey what game is this
Nevermind, my superb detective skills lead me to the solution.
@@jeagerist4072It was in the description, wasn’t it? XD
Worst thing about 2B matches - especially mirror matches - is that they are boring.
Boring to play, boring to watch - because everyone (at least seems to) and their mothers plays her exactly the same way. There is no variation. My experiences with playing 2B left me feeling like I was turning off parts of my brain while I was playing her - at S-tier I won three matches in a row while focusing more on the news playing in the background than the matches themselves. With the rest of the cast that I feel like I actually have to pay attention, regardless of the tier I play in.
I think the main issue with 2B is that she feels more like a Blazblue than a Granblue character. It is as you said in the video; It's like she plays her own game. But unlike you, I don't think this is a good thing.
Yes, it can be good, but only if the rest of the characters are the same.
Let's take Under Night In-birth for example; in that game each and (almost) every character is unique and have their own brand of crazy shit that they can throw out. In GBVSR however? It's mostly limited to just 2B, Lucilius, Nier and Avatar Belial - with 2B being the worst offender of the lot. So yeah, to sum it up, I think she's a well done character, but in a game she doesn't belong to.
Personally? I think she would have been a better fit for Guilty Gear Strive than GBVSR.
Could you elaborate on how every plays her the same way?
She does have a lot of tools that allow some personal expression. Like all the 22 skills offer good mix-up options, that are not obvious.
Also, I see a lot of characters that are actually always played in a kind of similar way (when they are well played at least). Which is pretty obvious, since all characters have moves that are better than others.
But still, I find 2B to have enough options to not feel bland.
I guess her being able to whiff cancel gives you that impression, but I don't really agree on the fact she's boring to watch.
@@Ghorbad Yeah, its true that 2B isn't the only character that people tend to play in ways that can be identical to one another - but with 2B it felt to me it is somehow emphasized.
I admit that there have been some slight variations I've witnessed now that I've tried studying matches involving her, but those who play on the same level (rank) tend to play her almost identically; using the same pressure tactics; the same optimized combos and so on. It was like seeing the same match over and over again.
Very - very - rarely did I feel like I was not seeing a repeat of the previous match with the way people seem to play her. So far only two of her matches were memorable enough for me that I felt like they were genuinely interesting to watch. Both were on Master rank, so maybe it shouldn’t be all that surprising considering.
Worst matches, in my opinion, were the mirror matches. In those matches it was also a pain in the ass to differentiate the two players whenever they happened to have colors that were really close to one another. Who the Hell thought it was a good idea to give her only four shades of black dresses and four shades of white/beige dresses?!
But getting back to the way people tend to play her; considering just how easy she is to play and how strong her neutral is, she doesn’t exactly encourage people to try something different - i.e. anything that would make watching her fight interesting.
Because, holy Hell, let’s take Narmaya for example - I fucking love watching her fights, because that character has perhaps the most options available to her when it comes down to laying down the pressure. It’s like watching someone playing 4D chess while high on amphetamine and with the recording of the match being set on triple speed! In good hands its nearly impossible to guess what she will pull out of her shapely ass!
Not so with 2B - unless the 2B player is the one racing constantly to put down the pressure, I developed this feeling that you can quickly start predicting everything the player controlling her will do in any given situation. Yes, I've now seen a couple of exceptions on Master rank, but never have I personally fought against any 2B players that would have made me feel like the same.
Maybe I’m biased because I had to fight through a hundred or more 2B players, when I raised my Zeta from A-rank to S++ rank. I started to feel really early on that I was fighting one and the same person the whole time, because they were all seemingly playing the exactly same way. And the worst part of it all? When I started playing with her, to try and see if I could get into liking her - because I didn’t enjoy fighting against her, what with my brain slowly going into sleep mode with how predictable she felt - I quickly noticed myself relying on the same repetitive tactics as my opponents had been using. And that was just the cherry on top for me.
So yeah, maybe I’m wrong and I need to try and play more with her to see where her true potential lay, but I don’t really have the time to do that when I’ve got characters that I really like and am interested in playing. Not mention I’m slowly running out of time to sharpen my skills for the 2024 Japan EVO tournament; need to get my A-game up on SF6, GG Strive, Under Night In-Birth and Tekken 8 as well, lest I wish to completely embarrass myself there.
I only hope I can manage to go there, as I happened to break my leg about a month ago and still need to wear a brace on my leg that limits my walking quite a bit for another month or so. And on top of all that, I still haven't heard from my boss if I can even take the time off from work during that time. 😕
This game actually looks really good when I see a different IP in its universe.
Unfortunately the granblue character art style & character designs don’t appeal to me at all
Yule doesn't do it for you?
i'm glad that finally a top player comes out shut the bunch of glue eaters saying she's OP or trying to act intelligent and smug when a lot of people are saying she's mid tier at best
Many top players are saying that she is indeed around top 5 rn in the game
Stop lyin bro
We all know u a 2B main who downgrades his own charachter
😂 most top players put her at top 5 at the lowest MAYBE top 6. But it doesn't go lower than that. The character you use is good. No need to downgrade her to feel better about yourself 🤷♂️
If your character doesn't have the tools to take your turn back against 2B she's oppressive AF
Downplaying continues
@lukejarvis9487 bro she is literally playing a whole ass different game
I dont think u understand how hard it would be to adapt to her