Yeah man why weren’t they throwing ropes at the swimmer immediately? And homeboy at the end literally gets caught on the rope at the bottom of the drop. These guys are jabronis
@@Chillin39 When you don't have life on easy mode, the last thing you do is risk it for recreation. There's a reason minorities don't climb mountains, skydive, or ride rapids.
To the two guys that jumped into the whirlpool after him at different moments, were true heroes. Especially the last guy because he witnessed the rescuer get stuck too.
I do a bit of kayaking, not on this level but I've done a little white water. This is one the most exciting videos I've seen in a long time. What a bunch of guys. Huge admiration.
@@jozinzbazin______8841 if you left your paddling buddy stuck in the hydraulic without helping then you are kinda a shitty person. If it’s a random person then yeah might not be extremely smart
doja smk you have no clue what you’re talking about. Foamy water is literally air bubbles at the surface so imagine a large layer of it as seen in the the video and think of trying to float on bubbles you’d literally lose buoyancy and go under tiring yourself out with mere minutes. Foam had a large part in this.
That's why fuck a life jacket. They keep you suspended instead of letting you roll your ass down the bottom of the hole. My experiences as a kid who loved swimming instead of boats.
+beefcake3131 no it wasnt it was stupidity. could have been 2 bodies they were pulling out the river. what they needed was better training and better rescue drills everything they did was wrong!
+ianburke69 Even though their rescue preparation was bad, it's hard to let someone die. Sometimes we do stupid things for our friends, even when the odds aren't in our favor.
beefcake3131 the guy who went in after him could have made things worse. He could have hit the 1st guy with his boat on the drop and he gets himself stuck so the rescuers have 2 people to save not just one. And the guy in the purple boat was just getting in the way of the ropes. Everyone in this video needs to go and train on a white water safety and rescue course.
Ross Elkins i think he explained his point. it was dumb, but brave those two things actually go together all the time. You could call it dumb any time people risk multiple lives to save someone, but it happens all the time. Like a crew firemen running into a burning building thats falling down around them because 1 child panicked and hid instead of getting out of the house, that is pretty brave.
Had they been better prepared, they could have avoided most of the danger. Fist off, the kayaker chucks his paddle on this relatively small (15' - 20') drop where there was certainly no need to do that there. Also, It appears that the group didn't have anyone waiting on shore to rescue and they had to first get out of the water to throw him a rope, or the rescuers waited too long to take action. At 0:46, the kayaker in distress has his hands up, feeling for something to grab on to but his friends don't start calling for a rope until 0:55 and a rope finally makes it into the water at 1:00 (albeit, not anywhere close to the kayaker).
How does the water act? I have only been in up to class three water but I have gotten out of huge holes by catching the undercurrent which flows downriver by getting into a cannon ball position and waiting a bit.
I was caught in one of these today when I was sliding down rapids on my tube with a friend. My friends tube had gotten stuck in the pool so I decided “hey I’ll get it for ya” and so in I went. I instantly got sucked under and I had grabbed the handle to my tube and his. Fortunately I had the upper body strength to pull myself out and push away. I still reflect on this and how easily I could have drowned since I had no means of life safety on.
Never been in a kayak; water didn't look very powerful - absolutely deceptive. I think the same mentality works when people try to drive across flooded roads. A few inches of water moving quickly is a mighty force. Amazing rescue effort.
I had some white water training and was told that if there's a washing machine cycle like this, then you should swim down and catch the current of water that is flowing below the whirlpool. It will sweep you down stream away from this. Has anybody else heard this?
I've heard that but never done it. The only pause it gives me is...how deep is the whirlpool? I've also heard besides swimming down you can reach your paddle down and let that current catch your paddle blade and pull you out.
I saved my life in a situation like this, but it was in a bigger waterfall. Went several meters down, to the point I couldnt see the sunlight. But I knew that I was going to go to the surface (thanks to the equipment).,Being calm is the answer to survive in hard scenarios, and also have a solid team that can really rescue lol
I have listened that. But i didnt do. And i have doubts, maybe the movement of the water is so strong that it is not easy to swing down, as the theory sounds...
Yes but the real hero would of had multiple ropes ready and had a rope on him 30 seconds sooner. Prime example of complacency kills. 10 more degrees of angle and that drop could put Woodall Shoals' hydrolic to shame.
One thing to try when in a recycler like that one is to try to swim out the bottom. It's kinda counter-intuitive, but it works more often than not. When you hit bottom, swim hard downstream.
I'm not even a kayaker but it's obvious that the current rotates back on itself below the fall and that it's really easy to get stuck in this and drown. I was fishing once in a weirpool with a current like this. A pigeon fell in the water and tried to escape by swimming against the current but kept getting rotated and eventually drowned. Loads of people have been killed in this situation - e.g. in 1975 ten British soldiers were killed when they went over the Cromwell Weir on the Rover Trent in England when a night training exercise went wrong.
That was almost 2 minutes in the hole. I've been in that situation a few times myself, although without a video so I can compare the time (it feels like an eternity when you are in there). It gets very scary, even if you are able to grab the odd breath now and then like it appears he was able to.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 The recirculating water is closer to the top, so being pulled down deep is not the problem. If you did get down deep, you would probably be flushed out.
@@QImpact Interesting. Do you have any thoughts on what happened to Shannon Christy in the hole at Great Falls? Would a stronger swimmer have been able to get out of that or was that a situation where anyone would be pinned/stuck in the recirculation?
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 so I actually know a few friends that were close to her and quit paddling after that. Unfortunately nothing could be done to save her life even if a well coordinated rescue was in place while she was paddling. She was alone on a class 5 rapid. She took a drop the front of her boat got stuck and wedged into a rock in front of her, the water behind her was so strong it folded her in half and she couldn't sit up right or move. Don't let it deter you though it's a sad story but preventable with better scouting. Kayaking and most other extreme sports can be perfectly safe.
The worst hole I was stuck in...I finally cam out of my boat, held on to the downstream end and pushed my kayak further into the hole, which helped propel me out. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction
0:20 That waterfall must be making a really strong circulating current. It looks like the water flow on the surface is actually backwards toward the waterfall, or the boat would move off downriver, not stay stuck there. Looks really dangerous!
Backwards flowing water is the nature of a 'hydraulic. The water falling down the waterfall makes a 'hole' in the water which causes the surface water downstream flow backwards to fill it up. This is why people and objects get stuck. They get 'sucked' backwards towards the water fall then get driven under under by the force of the water coming down the water flowing backwards downstream of them keeps them trapped. This is where a life jacket can kill you because the only way out of a strong hydraulic like this is to go down and then swim downstream under the surface water that is flowing backwards and that is damn hard to do when wearing life jacket that wants to lift you up. Was caught in a hydraulic once (not nearly as strong as this one) but it was scary as hell. Got sucked back and under 2-3 times. Luckily the water was not more that 10 feet deep or so ,so on the last time I was able to push off the bottom really hard to force myself downstrream and out. . My kayak was caught in the hydraulic for 5-10 minutes until a kayaker came along and punched it out for me.
FYI I was a class V paddler and river guide for 15 years. I was in a similar hydraulic and dove down to the laminar flow - that was how I got out. Several mistakes were made. First mistake - After the first three recycles, the swimmer should have stopped fighting the hydraulic. The boil was too strong. That's when it's time to get momentum and swim into the ledge, dive down and try to catch the laminar flow. You will be under for a bit but you will surface past the boil. Second - The other kayaker who paddled into the hydraulic. All he did was create a situation now with two people in serious trouble. Third - The rope they were using should have had a bright color bag container at the end to make it visible to the swimmer. There was no way he was going to see the rope they was using. They would have had to thrown it right into his hands for any chance of success.
You explained this very well. When I was put through Swiftwater Rescue Technician training certification by my employer, they threw us all into a hydraulic just like this one. It was a granite shelf with about a 10-11 foot drop and a very powerful hydraulic. Scary as hell on the first time out, but after you learn the technique it makes sense. Just have to really pay attention to your instructors and not panic when you drop in. After a few reps it gets really fun, but that first one is a real eye opener. I would recommend to anyone that wants to play in whitewater, or is required to work in or near it because of their job, to get the training. My department went with Rescue 3 international. Very professional, and worth the investment. I grew up rafting, kayaking, canoeing, and swimming in swiftwater, so it was mostly like playing to me, but the hydraulic drill, strainer drill, zip line, "drowning person fighting the rescuer" and class 4 rock garden swim were a new experience and were a real test. Lots of rescue rigging and rope work as well, even a Tyrolean rig, so it was a lot of learning packed into a fun but tiring week. At least some basic self rescue should really be on everyone's radar, so tragedies are more likely to be avoided for the first timers and novices on the water. Have fun and be safe!
@@ZorenRanks It's a current that always exists and is flowing downhill. This current exists below features like hydraulics and holes and gets you out of the Maytag cycle. It requires a commitment to go deep which can be counter-intuitive but can save your life.
Drowning; "die through submersion in, and inhalation of water." He nearly died, so he nearly drowned. He was also in the process of dying from water, so was also drowning. Both ways of saying it are correct. It's like saying someone died, is dying, or almost/nearly died.
@@ChrisM-bn5vr Though the video description does say that friends "averted a near drowning" -- which strictly means no occurrence of the near drowning. I'm sceptical though: I strongly suspect one of more actual near drownings occurred during that sequence.
Phew. I lived in Northeastern Pa for many years. The Lehigh river had a series of dams. At least one person died every year caught in the backflow of those dams.
Similar thing happened to me, but with a 8 person raft. It requires lot of self-control and huge balance to "hide" that thing under hundreds of gallons on top of you. I managed to save all rafters before jumping out... it took a land crew, with ropes, a car to pull the raft out of the whirlpool...scary....
@@russtheprodigy4624 I was swimming off Miami Beach and the waves were just to high, so I was just about exhausted and gave it my all to get back to shore, it really was the one time I didn't think I was going to make it.
I'm here because this happened to me yesterday on a smaller river with my daughter. Thought we were goners. Never been so scared and then exhausted in my life. Stay safe first out their people. I felt that guy's pain at the end
I have been in two of those types of circulations. Both times I went down and got out near the bottom. The water has to go somewhere because it comes from above. Take a deep breath and go down and swim out that way. Even better if you can push off of something.
Agreed. That "boil" should have been considered before anyone went over. The cameraman on the side of the big rock wasn't even looking at the kayak. I would have firstly had a rope tied to a nearby tree, at the ready to toss. Even that is no guarantee when it comes to the power of water.
Jujubar Williams negative on the tree. A lot of private boaters do not have any training Weather it be professional or otherwise. We call them floating speed bumps in the rubber community. And they call us floating undercuts. Where I come from like I would have been hit in the head with a throw rope not out of maliciousness but to get his attention and we're that good with our aim
I understand that it's rare to have the 7 P's (proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance) in Kayaking. But, in this situation they obviously knew it was dangerous and had plenty of support around. They just decided to go for the HIWO plan (hope it works out - plan) instead. Large D ring harnessed to mid chest region, attach quickly - rope with carabiner to first members over who remain close for support - i.e. the guy that went in to save - additional members pull him out - that would be a better plan. I understand it's a very dangerous sport - and I love them for doing it - Sorry to be critical. The members that went back in - ABSOLUTE HERO's! The whole group is to blame for lack of 7 P's.
Your plan seems rational. But most of white water kayaking is counter intuitive. Every white water death is fully investigated. Over time, much has been learned regarding white water rescue. Those lessons apply to both kayakers and firemen. A primary rule of white water rescue is, don't attach anyone to a rope. Both the rope thrower and the swimmer should hold the rope. Not attach. There are specially designed pfds with quick release harnesses. But even those are extreme high risk. And those areas of recirculating current (called holes) are special cases. It's a disputed area of white water rescue, but many experts recommend against throwing a rope into a hole at all. In an entirely avoidable accident some years ago, two firemen entered a white water river in an attempt to retrieve a body. The firemen meant well. They were trained in underwater search and recovery. They each tied a rope to the shore, and a rope between themselves. They entered the water upstream of the downed tree in which the dead body was trapped. By the time official rescue arrived, many white water kayakers had arrived. Kayakers who understand white water. Many of whom are highly trained in white water rescue. Unfortunately, the firemen did not understand the difference between "search and recovery" and "swift water rescue." The white water kayakers insisted that the firemen NOT implement their plan. The firemen asserted their legal jurisdiction and required that the kayakers back off. The kayakers knew those two firemen were going to die. The question was, which of three traps would it be. The rope between them snagged. From there, the current pushed them to the end of the rope. And then under. With no way of fighting back against the current and no way of floating free, they both drowned. (If the ropes hadn't killed them before they got to the upstream side of the tree, they would have died in the tree the same as the first victim.) Because of ropes, kayakers carry knives. But they are for the rescuer. It's unlikely that anyone in the current could fight against the current to cut the rope. The rule is, do NOT attach a rope to a person in or near swift water.
@@annnonomys3132 We were taught in Swiftwater Rescue Certification training: Reach - Throw - Row - Go, With Go as an absolute last resort. One of our PFD's is the style with the Solid D-ring in the middle of the upper back with a quick release for a tethered rescue swimmer, but would be used ONLY as an absolute last resort. It is not used during a standard rescue mission, but is stored separate as a final resort piece of gear. We trained with it, but have not had to even attempt its use in a rescue, just recerts. We have always been able to effect rescue with the first three, or with an untethered swimmer. Swimming into an op with a line at your back is such a risk, even with a knife to cut it free, kind of seems like a bit too much "pucker factor" with all that could potentially go wrong. We still train it, but with the understanding that effective use of the first three will really cover all bases when deployed properly. Running a rope line, especially for a body recovery is a very bad idea, just never worth the risk to a rescuer. I remember seeing a film of an attempted rescue (or body recovery) in a boat from downstream into a low head dam situation with a rolled boat. The firefighters were sucked into the hydraulic at the curl, went under and became casualties themselves. A sobering film to watch in class on the first day as a budding rescue trainee. I believe it happened somewhere in the midwest many years ago, and is still used in training today as one of the many things not to do when attempting a swiftwater rescue. What not to do is as important as what to do during an op.
YT suggested another video before this about the types of whirlpools created by waterfalls, and basically, it doesn't have to be a long drop or anything, it depends on a few other factors including the shape of the riverbed at the drop, but the point is, it's tough to float on that area because it's high in air bubbles, and anyone attempting to rescue from the same area only puts the rescuers at risk as well. I'm not sure what else they could have done, but maybe they'd need a bigger floating device, or ropes, but you get in there, you may as well be done too. If that type of turbulence is identified, there should be warnings or some way to keep people from getting in there.
If you want to see the perfect shape to create a hydrolic look up Woodall Shoals on the Chattooga River, section 4. It's only a 4ft drop but it'll keep 9 man rafts that are too heavy or laking sufficient speed to breach the hole. If you get to see it in person. You'll notice that once you are really close to the rapid on the shore, the drop is actually about 7 feet and the boil is about 3ft cresting about 12ft down stream of the base of the ledge. That's 25% upward angle for 12ft. And that hole doesn't flush you either it's a true keeper. Class 5+ but looks like a class 2+.
Finally a throw rope 1-1/2 minutes into it. Why weren't you guys ready? I'd find another group to paddle with that at least sets up a rescuer for a class 4+ rapid. But you macho dudes don't need no goddamn ropes, huh?
If you can remain calm, try to grab a breath, swim down and kick off the base of the fall below the roller, and you have a fair chance. I understand that it's easier said than done.
I wanted to see what happened to the guy who ran it at the end, and got tangled in the ropes. FML...and no one actually made a decent throw through the whole event...the swimmer had his arm up. But yeah...gotta go deep to get out.
@@tommcfarland5368 cant really explain in English but basically, they tie a rope to someone who then waits for a emergency like this to happen ,then he jumps in the water grabs the guy who needs rescue and the people on the shore pull them out using the rope
This was a risk taken for the satisfaction of pride. If you ever feel pride about overcoming something dangerous before you do it, it means that you are about to do something stupid.
Wouldn't it help to have an airbag similar to ARVA airbags for avalanches ? Or a floating rope that you'd tie around your waist (or in the back or whatever) and that could easily be released in case of such an emergency for the others to pull on it and get you out of it without risking their own lives ? Or a link to your kayak similar to jetskies ? The others could pull on the kayak to get you out.
Why on earth would you throw your paddle? He had a few opportunities to get out of it but he didn’t have a paddle. That’s rule number one in white water kayaking …don’t lost your paddle.
So here is what I think: The second kayaker had no idea what was going on down there. That wasn’t bravery, just stupidity. If he knew that makes it worse. Could’ve knocked out the first guy and made it more challenging for the rescuers. They were badly to not at all prepared. Doing something like can be great fun, but one should know the risks and have buddies PREPARED. They were quite a bunch of people! There should be a roper ready to throw at all times and a clear GO for the next to come! Where was a rescuekayaker? Did nobody have a rope from those still in the river? The one trying to get close with his own kayak did it foolishly. They’re were brave, no doubt, but just lucky and I’m glad they got out unharmed and just left us with a very good training video on how NOT to prepare. Learned it the hard way, at least I hope they‘ve learned.
Doing dangerous things can have bad outcomes. I hope next time they will have safety measures and strategies setup to implement immediately when things go wrong. This could have ended really bad
I've surfed cold big waves for almost 30 years, I've had long hold downs over Rocky reefs and paddled a half mile back to shore from a sea mount Wave where a great White thrashed the surface not more than 50 ft from us. Won't do Rivers tho
Intense video. Glad the boater made it out alive. Decades ago got caught in a hydraulic on the Menominee River in Wisconsin. Quite a bit higher volume and a wider river. Got knocked over a few times while trying to work my way out. Realized I wasn't going to be able to get out sitting in my kayak, so intentionally bailed the next time I was knocked over. Got recirculated a couple of times, but on one of the trips around took a big gulp of air and pushed myself deeper into the downriver current near river bottom. Still remember the weird feeling of being pushed down by the water, then being pushed downriver at which point I also started to worry about hooking a foot on a rock crevice or getting caught in a strainer near the bottom. Rode the downriver current probably a bit farther than was necessary, but didn't want to risk coming back up too soon and get recirculated back into hole. I was happy to see my boat without me in it and my paddle had made it out of the hole on their own and were floating nearby. Some great memories of the years spent running whitewater around the US. No regrets in that department.
A very odd question, but would it have been theoretically possible for someone at the top to hold a board like a piece of plywood off to angle the water to the opposite side of where he was to lessen the flow on his side? Would that have helped any?
This is one of the few places a lifejacket could kill you. I dive waterfalls for fun and you find cool things underneath them, best thing to do is dive strait down and then out, pull yourself along using rocks if you can, the guy who went in after him definetly knew that which is why he didn't hesitate to jump in and why he escaped so easily
You are the only one here with a brain! A Life jacket is a killer! Get rid of it and dive down, following the water flow out... Everyone her is so retarded saying, "he shouldn't have thrown away the paddle" so stupid that the first thing he should have done, then remove the life jacket, I doubt you even need to remove the jacket, if you follow the flow of the water!
You are right. I recall as a young kid in scouts, they taught us how to get out of a hydraulic recirculation in low head dams and waterfalls. They taught us how to properly avoid bear and bobcat attacks when encountered in the woods, how to properly treat snake bites, and get out of rip tides. As a kid, I used to wonder why they taught us such extreme survival skills, and thought, "What do they think I'm going to do, go live with Tarzan?" Now as an adult who avidly loves the outdoors, these skills have come to be very useful, and yes, I've used all of them!
@@mattstutzman4488 No, I've AVOIDED being attacked by a bobcat. lol. Big difference. A small group of us were backpacking the AT when we heard a low "growling-purr" from some thick brush along the trail. To our surprise, a bobcat emerged crouched. We immediately drew in close together to appear larger (and to keep anyone from being singled out) and threw up our hands and trekking poles screaming. Meanwhile, one of our group pulled out the bear spray, but we never had to use it. The cat took off. We hiked as " tight group" about 30+ more yards until we were confident we weren't being stalked.
experienced kayaker here: so many rivers have been run before and cataloged... no reason to run something like this - it is a deathtrap - find something else to run - you can see by this video, that a person cannot swim out of it - so leave it alone and find something else to paddle
@@blitzhop That rapid is class 6. Any rapid that has a high chance of death is class 6. That one is not the same bouncing off some rocks in a class 5. That has the same circulation as a lowhead dam. There are lots of sticky holes, but most of the time, the swimmer gets spit out fairly quickly. I wouldn't want it 'closed', but I would want paddlers to know what kind hole they would find themselves in.
@@1111111111202 When spacing boats you are supposed to take account of this very possibility. In other words the second boat should not have entered a "can't stop" zone until the first is clear. That alone shows a cavalier attitude to safety in what was already a thrill seeking activity.
I would suggest to them to practice doing that exact rescue several times a week until proficient at it! The disorganization and panic was enough to have killed the guy! Rule number one in situations of life and death is not to panic.
I hope the guy with the white helmet and tan sleeves is also ok. He went into the waterfall to help but I never saw him come out. Was he also ok? This was a dramatic rescue by an experienced crew that all knew their role.
He was pushed out. At 1:25 you can see to the right where he floats up and out of the shot. And a few seconds prior to that you see him go under so it pushed him out underwater.
It was dramatic because they were a bunch of muppets whose best effort was to join in the drowning party while one eventually throws an invisible rope nowhere near the guy who needed it.
As part of kayak training we swam across a small river on the downstream side of a small 2ft waterfall and it is mind blowing just how difficult it is to swim in foaming white water, it's just bubbles there is no mass to keep you afloat and you just sink like a stone. The water in the video is terrifying.
Here is a person who was not taught how to kayak properly and how to exit a hydraulic. . When in a hydraulic like that, the first thing you do is swim to the bottom, He did everything opposite and wrong. I kayak guided for almost 2 decades in the Canyons and Gorges, and the first thing you teach in hydraulics is how to get out of one alive and safe. Just because you have a no-hands roll, doesn't mean you know how to kayak. It just means you have learned one aspect of Kayaking.
I get why everyone is commending the guy who paddled in after him but this clip from start to end is pretty much everything you shouldn’t do when whitewater kayaking. Remember the most important person in a rescue situation is the one doing the rescuing.
Waterfall into pools are offer very dangerous and can be deadly, that safety line took way to long to be thrown out IMO. Good thing the group worked hard to help the struggling kayaker! 👍
On the really big drops they chuck it away from them to stop it smashing into their faces - no need here really though so it was probably a bad decision (I'm no expert though).
He was showing off for the cameras. Instead of having safety where the one camera guy was, the were filming. At least the camera dude tried throwing what was left of his rappel rope. If there was a safety guy set up in the same place a couple of easy throws the drowning dude would have been pulled out.
If he hadn't thrown his paddle away, he likely would have been fine and able to pull himself out before he got fully rolled. Nothing he did here was helpful to his situation.
@@dutchpicklevideos I assumed it was like with surfing...you don't want the board to hit you in the head or the fin to slice you up when you start getting tossed around like a ragdoll. Maybe trying to toss it away from where he'd be.
I used to live to paddle and have run waterfalls up to 50 ft. These guys were throwing their paddles to show off for camera. I taught river safety and kayak instruction. These guys made every mistake in book and were way above their skill and common sense level. People do crazy things when they know their is a camera running.
@@marciaewell2661 it did seem to me it would be very tough to control your kayak without the paddle - the show boating for the camera solves that puzzle
@@berrycrawford5579 To anyone experienced reading water, and with good judgement, that was a very dangerous water feature with a likelihood of trapping someone. Best option is to carry your boat around it. Only a super experienced person with the skill to avoid getting trapped and the skill to self rescue (like balling up and getting flushed out) should do it. And there are way more people who *think* they are that good than there are people who are *actually* that good. And if anyone did it, I'd have a safety setup with at least three specially trained rescuers, one rigged as "live bait" connected to a quick-release rope held by at least two rescuers on shore. Honestly, though, when I think about putting a live bait rescuer in for something you could have walked around, it seems like on that same stretch of river that day there must have been other fun and exciting things they could have done with less risk. One approach is to take a less dangerous feature and challenge yourself to do more difficult feats of boat control on it.
I'm confused... At one point, it looked like there were about five people in there between the people who kept coming over the falls and the rescuers, yet they show only one getting out of the wash?
i once heard someone say "never throw your last knife" well in this case don't throw your paddle and have better chaces of fliping back up! Plus life jackets float well in water but not so well in air bubbles...
+Joseph Saeteurn Yep I've known people us a paddle outside of a kayak to escape from things, nothing like though. People release they're paddle in panic.
+Joseph Saeteurn Yup I do...frequently actually. What I was trying to say was when your being whipped around a hydro and you need to get out of your kayak it is much easier with two hands. I know from first hand experience. Just my two sense no need to start making accusations
This clip is now used on many whitewater safety course on what not to do. A case study like this is invaluable
Yeah man why weren’t they throwing ropes at the swimmer immediately? And homeboy at the end literally gets caught on the rope at the bottom of the drop. These guys are jabronis
@@alabmourdinson2131 i read your comment a few seconds before "homeboy at the end" and nearly fell out of my chair laughing when it happened
they all just swam out but they all ended up flipping it was like watching fish flop into boiling water
What not to do would be attempt it in the first place
@@carpo719When your grandchildren ask you to tell them exciting stories of your childhood they will be disappointed
Bit breathless watching this. I have been held under and it takes huge discipline to keep calm and wait for a break
Yeah, it’s no fun
Wait for a break??? What do you mean?
@@danmclaughlin1180to breathe
@@arisaka9963 no a lot of people die from these water mouvments thats not funny at all. u retard
@danmclaughlin1180 the turbulence to release you or ease up enough to surface and get a breath and then repeat!
This is why I watch RUclips instead of starring on it.
ya digg
enjoy that deathbed regret when you realize all your memories are of video games and youtube lol
@@pfftwhut7638well said👍🏼
@@pfftwhut7638 and your memories will be typing comments on youtube.. real tough guy with lots of memories right here
@@Chillin39 When you don't have life on easy mode, the last thing you do is risk it for recreation. There's a reason minorities don't climb mountains, skydive, or ride rapids.
To the two guys that jumped into the whirlpool after him at different moments, were true heroes. Especially the last guy because he witnessed the rescuer get stuck too.
I do a bit of kayaking, not on this level but I've done a little white water. This is one the most exciting videos I've seen in a long time. What a bunch of guys. Huge admiration.
The guy in the kayak who went to save the man. My hat is off to you. Not many people in the world would do that.
amen
You would you are there to help out never leave your fellow mates.
Brave but not smart
@@jozinzbazin______8841 if you left your paddling buddy stuck in the hydraulic without helping then you are kinda a shitty person. If it’s a random person then yeah might not be extremely smart
@@StaunchCross Usually this type of rescue ends with 1 more person who needs to be rescued
If you have never been in really foamy water you don't know how difficult it is to keep your head above the surface.
doja smk you have no clue what you’re talking about. Foamy water is literally air bubbles at the surface so imagine a large layer of it as seen in the the video and think of trying to float on bubbles you’d literally lose buoyancy and go under tiring yourself out with mere minutes. Foam had a large part in this.
doja smk it does play a role in this obviously. And the guys comment is just on the one subject.
That's why fuck a life jacket. They keep you suspended instead of letting you roll your ass down the bottom of the hole. My experiences as a kid who loved swimming instead of boats.
That's a hydraulic jump
Had a foaming bubble bath once. It was quite intense/scary. Even got soap in my eyes
The guy that went in after him is a damn good guy. That takes balls and genuine care for others to take a risk like that.
+beefcake3131 no it wasnt it was stupidity. could have been 2 bodies they were pulling out the river.
what they needed was better training and better rescue drills everything they did was wrong!
+ianburke69 Even though their rescue preparation was bad, it's hard to let someone die. Sometimes we do stupid things for our friends, even when the odds aren't in our favor.
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I never said it was smart, but yes that does take balls and caring to do.
beefcake3131 the guy who went in after him could have made things worse. He could have hit the 1st guy with his boat on the drop and he gets himself stuck so the rescuers have 2 people to save not just one. And the guy in the purple boat was just getting in the way of the ropes. Everyone in this video needs to go and train on a white water safety and rescue course.
Ross Elkins i think he explained his point. it was dumb, but brave those two things actually go together all the time.
You could call it dumb any time people risk multiple lives to save someone, but it happens all the time. Like a crew firemen running into a burning building thats falling down around them because 1 child panicked and hid instead of getting out of the house, that is pretty brave.
Had they been better prepared, they could have avoided most of the danger. Fist off, the kayaker chucks his paddle on this relatively small (15' - 20') drop where there was certainly no need to do that there. Also, It appears that the group didn't have anyone waiting on shore to rescue and they had to first get out of the water to throw him a rope, or the rescuers waited too long to take action. At 0:46, the kayaker in distress has his hands up, feeling for something to grab on to but his friends don't start calling for a rope until 0:55 and a rope finally makes it into the water at 1:00 (albeit, not anywhere close to the kayaker).
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They were calling for ropes soon as his hands popped up
this is all very true
How does the water act? I have only been in up to class three water but I have gotten out of huge holes by catching the undercurrent which flows downriver by getting into a cannon ball position and waiting a bit.
Please...... next time they go can you be there with them...... So this wont happen again.
I was caught in one of these today when I was sliding down rapids on my tube with a friend. My friends tube had gotten stuck in the pool so I decided “hey I’ll get it for ya” and so in I went. I instantly got sucked under and I had grabbed the handle to my tube and his. Fortunately I had the upper body strength to pull myself out and push away. I still reflect on this and how easily I could have drowned since I had no means of life safety on.
Even with a buoyancy vest, they usually do no good because the water at the bottom if simply a mix of air and water that won't support any weight.
so am I the only one who noticed the man who went in after him never came out
at 1.25 to 1.26 they guy in the brown pops up down river.
+Jeff Callahan OK I see him now
+John Smith how does he get out so easy but the other guy stays?
He panicked, the guy who got out didnt.
How the hell did you see that!
Never been in a kayak; water didn't look very powerful - absolutely deceptive. I think the same mentality works when people try to drive across flooded roads. A few inches of water moving quickly is a mighty force. Amazing rescue effort.
I had some white water training and was told that if there's a washing machine cycle like this, then you should swim down and catch the current of water that is flowing below the whirlpool. It will sweep you down stream away from this. Has anybody else heard this?
I've heard that but never done it. The only pause it gives me is...how deep is the whirlpool? I've also heard besides swimming down you can reach your paddle down and let that current catch your paddle blade and pull you out.
I was told to curl up into a ball and it the current rolls you out.
I saved my life in a situation like this, but it was in a bigger waterfall. Went several meters down, to the point I couldnt see the sunlight. But I knew that I was going to go to the surface (thanks to the equipment).,Being calm is the answer to survive in hard scenarios, and also have a solid team that can really rescue lol
@@david-o6g1hyea if your not an idiot and through it in the air when you go over a waterfall
I have listened that. But i didnt do. And i have doubts, maybe the movement of the water is so strong that it is not easy to swing down, as the theory sounds...
A world class idea would be to stay out of hydraulic jumps. They kill, plain and simple.
Hydraulic jumps are engineered to prevent this I thought. Great video on youtube of a dam engineer explaining waterflow and currents.
@@laingadaing It's a submerged hydraulic jump. Lowering the water after the jump minimizes or stops that circulation and makes it safer.
many won't though. White Water kayakers are the idiots of the sports world. I liken them to Bull Fighters.
take the risk. pay the price.
Low head water fall is dangerous plus strong current.
Wow that guy who kayaked in to rescue him... that guy is a prime example of what all us humans can be. Well done that guy!!!
Yes but the real hero would of had multiple ropes ready and had a rope on him 30 seconds sooner. Prime example of complacency kills. 10 more degrees of angle and that drop could put Woodall Shoals' hydrolic to shame.
@@jpschargednot a prime example of complacency kills because nobody was killed 😂😂 derp
I never saw the second guy come up... did he even make it?
He nearly turned what could have been a single fatality into a double fatality.
no one seems to know lol@@superiorradio4540
One thing to try when in a recycler like that one is to try to swim out the bottom. It's kinda counter-intuitive, but it works more often than not. When you hit bottom, swim hard downstream.
but isn't that hard to do when you are wearing pfd gear? not being a smart ass. serious question.
But what if the bottom is 20 meters deep?
@@leemp337 Sometimes people get rid of their life jacket, yep, pretty rough.
Um nope
Huge courage by those who threw themselves into the same circumstance in hopes of freeing the guy
Courage? Stupidity, now instead of having to rescue one they’re is the chance of having to rescue multiples.
I'm not even a kayaker but it's obvious that the current rotates back on itself below the fall and that it's really easy to get stuck in this and drown. I was fishing once in a weirpool with a current like this. A pigeon fell in the water and tried to escape by swimming against the current but kept getting rotated and eventually drowned. Loads of people have been killed in this situation - e.g. in 1975 ten British soldiers were killed when they went over the Cromwell Weir on the Rover Trent in England when a night training exercise went wrong.
That was almost 2 minutes in the hole. I've been in that situation a few times myself, although without a video so I can compare the time (it feels like an eternity when you are in there). It gets very scary, even if you are able to grab the odd breath now and then like it appears he was able to.
True that. I was under for maybe 30-45 seconds and it felt like 10 minutes
How far down can you get pulled under when you are in a hole like that?
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 The recirculating water is closer to the top, so being pulled down deep is not the problem. If you did get down deep, you would probably be flushed out.
@@QImpact Interesting. Do you have any thoughts on what happened to Shannon Christy in the hole at Great Falls? Would a stronger swimmer have been able to get out of that or was that a situation where anyone would be pinned/stuck in the recirculation?
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 so I actually know a few friends that were close to her and quit paddling after that. Unfortunately nothing could be done to save her life even if a well coordinated rescue was in place while she was paddling. She was alone on a class 5 rapid. She took a drop the front of her boat got stuck and wedged into a rock in front of her, the water behind her was so strong it folded her in half and she couldn't sit up right or move. Don't let it deter you though it's a sad story but preventable with better scouting. Kayaking and most other extreme sports can be perfectly safe.
The ropes was paying zero attention
The worst hole I was stuck in...I finally cam out of my boat, held on to the downstream end and pushed my kayak further into the hole, which helped propel me out. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction
Man, most definitely a near drowning.
0:20 That waterfall must be making a really strong circulating current. It looks like the water flow on the surface is actually backwards toward the waterfall, or the boat would move off downriver, not stay stuck there. Looks really dangerous!
Utube hydraulics. That’s how they work. Extremely dangerous.
Backwards flowing water is the nature of a 'hydraulic. The water falling down the waterfall makes a 'hole' in the water which causes the surface water downstream flow backwards to fill it up. This is why people and objects get stuck. They get 'sucked' backwards towards the water fall then get driven under under by the force of the water coming down the water flowing backwards downstream of them keeps them trapped. This is where a life jacket can kill you because the only way out of a strong hydraulic like this is to go down and then swim downstream under the surface water that is flowing backwards and that is damn hard to do when wearing life jacket that wants to lift you up. Was caught in a hydraulic once (not nearly as strong as this one) but it was scary as hell. Got sucked back and under 2-3 times. Luckily the water was not more that 10 feet deep or so ,so on the last time I was able to push off the bottom really hard to force myself downstrream and out. . My kayak was caught in the hydraulic for 5-10 minutes until a kayaker came along and punched it out for me.
FYI I was a class V paddler and river guide for 15 years. I was in a similar hydraulic and dove down to the laminar flow - that was how I got out.
Several mistakes were made. First mistake - After the first three recycles, the swimmer should have stopped fighting the hydraulic. The boil was too strong. That's when it's time to get momentum and swim into the ledge, dive down and try to catch the laminar flow. You will be under for a bit but you will surface past the boil. Second - The other kayaker who paddled into the hydraulic. All he did was create a situation now with two people in serious trouble. Third - The rope they were using should have had a bright color bag container at the end to make it visible to the swimmer. There was no way he was going to see the rope they was using. They would have had to thrown it right into his hands for any chance of success.
You explained this very well. When I was put through Swiftwater Rescue Technician training certification by my employer, they threw us all into a hydraulic just like this one. It was a granite shelf with about a 10-11 foot drop and a very powerful hydraulic. Scary as hell on the first time out, but after you learn the technique it makes sense. Just have to really pay attention to your instructors and not panic when you drop in. After a few reps it gets really fun, but that first one is a real eye opener. I would recommend to anyone that wants to play in whitewater, or is required to work in or near it because of their job, to get the training. My department went with Rescue 3 international. Very professional, and worth the investment. I grew up rafting, kayaking, canoeing, and swimming in swiftwater, so it was mostly like playing to me, but the hydraulic drill, strainer drill, zip line, "drowning person fighting the rescuer" and class 4 rock garden swim were a new experience and were a real test. Lots of rescue rigging and rope work as well, even a Tyrolean rig, so it was a lot of learning packed into a fun but tiring week. At least some basic self rescue should really be on everyone's radar, so tragedies are more likely to be avoided for the first timers and novices on the water. Have fun and be safe!
What is the laminar flow????😮
@@ZorenRanks It's a current that always exists and is flowing downhill. This current exists below features like hydraulics and holes and gets you out of the Maytag cycle. It requires a commitment to go deep which can be counter-intuitive but can save your life.
@@DoNortSleepIn2024 how long, and how much strength does it take to get down there
You dove down? so you took off your life jacket being tossed around like a rag doll or you weren’t wearing one
That wasn't a "near drowning". That clearly WAS the a drowning that just interrupted
Yes, which means it was a near drowning...
@@ChrisM-bn5vr
He's drowning. Not near drowning.
You had two dads, didn't you?
Drowning; "die through submersion in, and inhalation of water."
He nearly died, so he nearly drowned.
He was also in the process of dying from water, so was also drowning.
Both ways of saying it are correct.
It's like saying someone died, is dying, or almost/nearly died.
this thread sounds like every conversation I have with my girlfriend.
@@ChrisM-bn5vr Though the video description does say that friends "averted a near drowning" -- which strictly means no occurrence of the near drowning. I'm sceptical though: I strongly suspect one of more actual near drownings occurred during that sequence.
Phew. I lived in Northeastern Pa for many years. The Lehigh river had a series of dams. At least one person died every year caught in the backflow of those dams.
Similar thing happened to me, but with a 8 person raft. It requires lot of self-control and huge balance to "hide" that thing under hundreds of gallons on top of you. I managed to save all rafters before jumping out... it took a land crew, with ropes, a car to pull the raft out of the whirlpool...scary....
where did the guy in the brown go? that came over to him in the red kayak?
+c0d3x5 He went deep and you can barely see his head pop up on the right of the screen at about time stamp: 1:24
Robert Bibb nice catch
That's the kind of drowning machine that a lot of professional rescuers won't get near.
The Ocean almost got my ass one time, never again! I don't even like bathtubs now!!
Care to tell what happened?
@@russtheprodigy4624 I was swimming off Miami Beach and the waves were just to high, so I was just about exhausted and gave it my all to get back to shore, it really was the one time I didn't think I was going to make it.
@@JoeSmith-nu8oo bitch made
@@primmsysjs2203 ????
@@JoeSmith-nu8oo nevermind that jackass, probably can't even swim!
Glad you made it back
I'm here because this happened to me yesterday on a smaller river with my daughter. Thought we were goners. Never been so scared and then exhausted in my life. Stay safe first out their people. I felt that guy's pain at the end
He’s very lucky to have gotten out of that
I have been in two of those types of circulations. Both times I went down and got out near the bottom. The water has to go somewhere because it comes from above. Take a deep breath and go down and swim out that way. Even better if you can push off of something.
All that experience and NO ropes set up ahead of time
i like how they just film him drowning before they start finally helping him
Ive watched a few of these videos now and it really seems like kayakers are never prepared for the worst.
Agreed. That "boil" should have been considered before anyone went over. The cameraman on the side of the big rock wasn't even looking at the kayak. I would have firstly had a rope tied to a nearby tree, at the ready to toss. Even that is no guarantee when it comes to the power of water.
Jujubar Williams negative on the tree. A lot of private boaters do not have any training Weather it be professional or otherwise. We call them floating speed bumps in the rubber community. And they call us floating undercuts. Where I come from like I would have been hit in the head with a throw rope not out of maliciousness but to get his attention and we're that good with our aim
I'm glad he didn't get hurt too bad.(edited yet again cuz speech-to-text sucks)
TheXavier20000 There not
TheXavier20000 the inexperienced ones aren't.
I understand that it's rare to have the 7 P's (proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance) in Kayaking. But, in this situation they obviously knew it was dangerous and had plenty of support around. They just decided to go for the HIWO plan (hope it works out - plan) instead. Large D ring harnessed to mid chest region, attach quickly - rope with carabiner to first members over who remain close for support - i.e. the guy that went in to save - additional members pull him out - that would be a better plan. I understand it's a very dangerous sport - and I love them for doing it - Sorry to be critical. The members that went back in - ABSOLUTE HERO's! The whole group is to blame for lack of 7 P's.
Your plan seems rational. But most of white water kayaking is counter intuitive. Every white water death is fully investigated. Over time, much has been learned regarding white water rescue. Those lessons apply to both kayakers and firemen. A primary rule of white water rescue is, don't attach anyone to a rope. Both the rope thrower and the swimmer should hold the rope. Not attach. There are specially designed pfds with quick release harnesses. But even those are extreme high risk. And those areas of recirculating current (called holes) are special cases. It's a disputed area of white water rescue, but many experts recommend against throwing a rope into a hole at all.
In an entirely avoidable accident some years ago, two firemen entered a white water river in an attempt to retrieve a body. The firemen meant well. They were trained in underwater search and recovery. They each tied a rope to the shore, and a rope between themselves. They entered the water upstream of the downed tree in which the dead body was trapped. By the time official rescue arrived, many white water kayakers had arrived. Kayakers who understand white water. Many of whom are highly trained in white water rescue. Unfortunately, the firemen did not understand the difference between "search and recovery" and "swift water rescue." The white water kayakers insisted that the firemen NOT implement their plan. The firemen asserted their legal jurisdiction and required that the kayakers back off. The kayakers knew those two firemen were going to die. The question was, which of three traps would it be. The rope between them snagged. From there, the current pushed them to the end of the rope. And then under. With no way of fighting back against the current and no way of floating free, they both drowned. (If the ropes hadn't killed them before they got to the upstream side of the tree, they would have died in the tree the same as the first victim.)
Because of ropes, kayakers carry knives. But they are for the rescuer. It's unlikely that anyone in the current could fight against the current to cut the rope. The rule is, do NOT attach a rope to a person in or near swift water.
@@annnonomys3132 Damn, it seems like they should at least have had knives to cut themselves free in case that exact thing happened.
@@annnonomys3132 We were taught in Swiftwater Rescue Certification training: Reach - Throw - Row - Go, With Go as an absolute last resort. One of our PFD's is the style with the Solid D-ring in the middle of the upper back with a quick release for a tethered rescue swimmer, but would be used ONLY as an absolute last resort. It is not used during a standard rescue mission, but is stored separate as a final resort piece of gear. We trained with it, but have not had to even attempt its use in a rescue, just recerts. We have always been able to effect rescue with the first three, or with an untethered swimmer. Swimming into an op with a line at your back is such a risk, even with a knife to cut it free, kind of seems like a bit too much "pucker factor" with all that could potentially go wrong. We still train it, but with the understanding that effective use of the first three will really cover all bases when deployed properly. Running a rope line, especially for a body recovery is a very bad idea, just never worth the risk to a rescuer. I remember seeing a film of an attempted rescue (or body recovery) in a boat from downstream into a low head dam situation with a rolled boat. The firefighters were sucked into the hydraulic at the curl, went under and became casualties themselves. A sobering film to watch in class on the first day as a budding rescue trainee. I believe it happened somewhere in the midwest many years ago, and is still used in training today as one of the many things not to do when attempting a swiftwater rescue. What not to do is as important as what to do during an op.
YT suggested another video before this about the types of whirlpools created by waterfalls, and basically, it doesn't have to be a long drop or anything, it depends on a few other factors including the shape of the riverbed at the drop, but the point is, it's tough to float on that area because it's high in air bubbles, and anyone attempting to rescue from the same area only puts the rescuers at risk as well. I'm not sure what else they could have done, but maybe they'd need a bigger floating device, or ropes, but you get in there, you may as well be done too. If that type of turbulence is identified, there should be warnings or some way to keep people from getting in there.
If you want to see the perfect shape to create a hydrolic look up Woodall Shoals on the Chattooga River, section 4. It's only a 4ft drop but it'll keep 9 man rafts that are too heavy or laking sufficient speed to breach the hole. If you get to see it in person. You'll notice that once you are really close to the rapid on the shore, the drop is actually about 7 feet and the boil is about 3ft cresting about 12ft down stream of the base of the ledge. That's 25% upward angle for 12ft. And that hole doesn't flush you either it's a true keeper. Class 5+ but looks like a class 2+.
@@jpschargedI paddle that section a lot and I won't get near that hole no matter the level. I'll always, always sneak it. It's deadly af
Only people that have actually tried slalom know how scared the was
Finally a throw rope 1-1/2 minutes into it. Why weren't you guys ready? I'd find another group to paddle with that at least sets up a rescuer for a class 4+ rapid. But you macho dudes don't need no goddamn ropes, huh?
Unbelievable. Totally irresponisble, unprepared muppets.
Hahahaha,thats part of the buzz.....sounds mad but true.
Been running class five since I was a kid, never set up a rescue before a run... Lol
@ByeBitch 《 yeah, that's why I get free kayaks and paddles and gear from manufacturers... 😂👍🙌
@@toadamine How to not get stuck then? Jump further? It's happened to me recently so I'd like to know how to avoid getting into a situation like that.
If you can remain calm, try to grab a breath, swim down and kick off the base of the fall below the roller, and you have a fair chance. I understand that it's easier said than done.
They should of had a live bait there from the start instead of throwing lines. That was a horrific rescue
+Ted Burberry That's what I thought as well. The kayak going in for the rescue was quite a stupid idea.. :/
I wanted to see what happened to the guy who ran it at the end, and got tangled in the ropes. FML...and no one actually made a decent throw through the whole event...the swimmer had his arm up. But yeah...gotta go deep to get out.
Exactly my thoughts. Should have been in place before all this. At the very end a live bait goes in from the top but the swimmer had flushed by then.
Whats a live bait?
@@tommcfarland5368 cant really explain in English but basically, they tie a rope to someone who then waits for a emergency like this to happen ,then he jumps in the water grabs the guy who needs rescue and the people on the shore pull them out using the rope
I got caught like this swimming in a 1mt waterfall, scared the hell out me
This is why I don't put myself in situations like this. Life is worth far more.
beezer bobum To be fair, you can go kayaking with out this much risk. I prefer lakes, that doesn’t make me a pussy, I fly freaking planes.
This was a risk taken for the satisfaction of pride. If you ever feel pride about overcoming something dangerous before you do it, it means that you are about to do something stupid.
Wouldn't it help to have an airbag similar to ARVA airbags for avalanches ? Or a floating rope that you'd tie around your waist (or in the back or whatever) and that could easily be released in case of such an emergency for the others to pull on it and get you out of it without risking their own lives ? Or a link to your kayak similar to jetskies ? The others could pull on the kayak to get you out.
Why on earth would you throw your paddle? He had a few opportunities to get out of it but he didn’t have a paddle. That’s rule number one in white water kayaking …don’t lost your paddle.
Where is the man with red boat and white helmet? I have´t seen him...
So here is what I think:
The second kayaker had no idea what was going on down there. That wasn’t bravery, just stupidity. If he knew that makes it worse. Could’ve knocked out the first guy and made it more challenging for the rescuers.
They were badly to not at all prepared.
Doing something like can be great fun, but one should know the risks and have buddies PREPARED. They were quite a bunch of people! There should be a roper ready to throw at all times and a clear GO for the next to come!
Where was a rescuekayaker? Did nobody have a rope from those still in the river?
The one trying to get close with his own kayak did it foolishly.
They’re were brave, no doubt, but just lucky and I’m glad they got out unharmed and just left us with a very good training video on how NOT to prepare.
Learned it the hard way, at least I hope they‘ve learned.
wrong.
If ever stuck in this try to swim deep than swim away from the wier
“Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes the reason is we’re stupid and make bad decisions.”
*Most of the time.
Doing dangerous things can have bad outcomes. I hope next time they will have safety measures and strategies setup to implement immediately when things go wrong. This could have ended really bad
At 0:04 he throws the paddle way and at 1:16 again. He should stop doing this. With the paddle he would have easily escaped.
Thanks, I didn't notice that at first.
NEVER...EVER....THROW YOUR PADDLE!!!!!
I've surfed cold big waves for almost 30 years, I've had long hold downs over Rocky reefs and paddled a half mile back to shore from a sea mount Wave where a great White thrashed the surface not more than 50 ft from us.
Won't do Rivers tho
Intense video. Glad the boater made it out alive. Decades ago got caught in a hydraulic on the Menominee River in Wisconsin. Quite a bit higher volume and a wider river. Got knocked over a few times while trying to work my way out. Realized I wasn't going to be able to get out sitting in my kayak, so intentionally bailed the next time I was knocked over. Got recirculated a couple of times, but on one of the trips around took a big gulp of air and pushed myself deeper into the downriver current near river bottom. Still remember the weird feeling of being pushed down by the water, then being pushed downriver at which point I also started to worry about hooking a foot on a rock crevice or getting caught in a strainer near the bottom. Rode the downriver current probably a bit farther than was necessary, but didn't want to risk coming back up too soon and get recirculated back into hole. I was happy to see my boat without me in it and my paddle had made it out of the hole on their own and were floating nearby. Some great memories of the years spent running whitewater around the US. No regrets in that department.
he should have just hit CTRL-ALT-DEL and reload a previous save.
Sigh Phi Guy this comment wins
He survived so it's funny now
But if he restarted he would miss the exp.
He almost ran out of Health points
He could have just pushed a Staples easy button.....but, yeah.
It's ESC dummy
We really underestimate how powerful of a force water is, there is no overestimating it.
I got stuck in one of those as a kid while swimming and some crackheads saved me by telling me which way to swim towards
Thank Ronald Reagan for crack
Collarbone here
Holy shit, crackheads are super heros!!
Spoopy Same here at a water park i couldn't figure out why it only happened to me
Steven G Wtf were these waterparks designed by utter morons?
A very odd question, but would it have been theoretically possible for someone at the top to hold a board like a piece of plywood off to angle the water to the opposite side of where he was to lessen the flow on his side? Would that have helped any?
No, the water is too powerful
Intentionally placing yourself in harms way..
Also known as living.
@@TheWallsocket if that's what it takes to feel alive, all the more power to you.
My God this is so difficult to witness! The level of sheer panic would be off the charts!
This is one of the few places a lifejacket could kill you. I dive waterfalls for fun and you find cool things underneath them, best thing to do is dive strait down and then out, pull yourself along using rocks if you can, the guy who went in after him definetly knew that which is why he didn't hesitate to jump in and why he escaped so easily
You are the only one here with a brain! A Life jacket is a killer! Get rid of it and dive down, following the water flow out... Everyone her is so retarded saying, "he shouldn't have thrown away the paddle" so stupid that the first thing he should have done, then remove the life jacket, I doubt you even need to remove the jacket, if you follow the flow of the water!
You are right. I recall as a young kid in scouts, they taught us how to get out of a hydraulic recirculation in low head dams and waterfalls. They taught us how to properly avoid bear and bobcat attacks when encountered in the woods, how to properly treat snake bites, and get out of rip tides. As a kid, I used to wonder why they taught us such extreme survival skills, and thought, "What do they think I'm going to do, go live with Tarzan?" Now as an adult who avidly loves the outdoors, these skills have come to be very useful, and yes, I've used all of them!
@@AugustHawk You've been attacked a bobcat, wow!
@@mattstutzman4488 No, I've AVOIDED being attacked by a bobcat. lol. Big difference. A small group of us were backpacking the AT when we heard a low "growling-purr" from some thick brush along the trail. To our surprise, a bobcat emerged crouched. We immediately drew in close together to appear larger (and to keep anyone from being singled out) and threw up our hands and trekking poles screaming. Meanwhile, one of our group pulled out the bear spray, but we never had to use it. The cat took off. We hiked as " tight group" about 30+ more yards until we were confident we weren't being stalked.
great save ! but why do they throw the paddle away coming down ?
There are emergency scuba tanks that are super small and only have 20 mins of air but it would save these guys if they had one attached to their suits
Too heavy for whitewater boating
A pony tank? Trying to get it in your mouth, turn it on and secure it in that situation. Impossible.
experienced kayaker here: so many rivers have been run before and cataloged...
no reason to run something like this - it is a deathtrap - find something else to run - you can see by this video, that a person cannot swim out of it - so leave it alone and find something else to paddle
This River is catalogued as well and you need to close all rivers above WW class 4. Stupid answer. The only problem is that he threw his paddle.
@@blitzhop That rapid is class 6. Any rapid that has a high chance of death is class 6. That one is not the same bouncing off some rocks in a class 5. That has the same circulation as a lowhead dam. There are lots of sticky holes, but most of the time, the swimmer gets spit out fairly quickly. I wouldn't want it 'closed', but I would want paddlers to know what kind hole they would find themselves in.
Is it possible to use self inflating rucksacks in this situation like for avalanche rescue in snow freeride ?
So no one clears the bottom before giving the okay for the next one to go over? What idiots are running this particular event?
Can u stop in middle of running water? Ur the fucking idiot never having done it
@@1111111111202 When spacing boats you are supposed to take account of this very possibility. In other words the second boat should not have entered a "can't stop" zone until the first is clear. That alone shows a cavalier attitude to safety in what was already a thrill seeking activity.
When your ego says yes and your brain says no...go with your brain.
Yikes, that was intense! 😬
Trying to keep yourself afloat in white water is NO JOKE!
Glad to see dude make it out.
I would suggest to them to practice doing that exact rescue several times a week until proficient at it! The disorganization and panic was enough to have killed the guy! Rule number one in situations of life and death is not to panic.
what happened to the guy in brown, the guy that came to the guy in blue’s rescue but capsized?
I hope the guy with the white helmet and tan sleeves is also ok. He went into the waterfall to help but I never saw him come out. Was he also ok?
This was a dramatic rescue by an experienced crew that all knew their role.
Seriously! We don't see what happened to him...
He was pushed out. At 1:25 you can see to the right where he floats up and out of the shot. And a few seconds prior to that you see him go under so it pushed him out underwater.
@@JonathanLGN Wow. He could have ended up drowned just as easily. That's insane. It seems like pure luck he got popped out like that.
@@JonathanLGN thanks for your comment, you put my mind at rest! 👍
It was dramatic because they were a bunch of muppets whose best effort was to join in the drowning party while one eventually throws an invisible rope nowhere near the guy who needed it.
As part of kayak training we swam across a small river on the downstream side of a small 2ft waterfall and it is mind blowing just how difficult it is to swim in foaming white water, it's just bubbles there is no mass to keep you afloat and you just sink like a stone. The water in the video is terrifying.
:25 holy shit the purple boat came out of nowhere. Thankful he wasn’t up when that boat landed
Me: What did you do over the weekend?
Him: Went kayaking.
Me: How was it?
Him: To die for!
😂😂😂 not gonna feel bad for idiots kayaking on a waterfall
Here is a person who was not taught how to kayak properly and how to exit a hydraulic. .
When in a hydraulic like that, the first thing you do is swim to the bottom, He did everything opposite and wrong.
I kayak guided for almost 2 decades in the Canyons and Gorges, and the first thing you teach in hydraulics is how to get out of one alive and safe. Just because you have a no-hands roll, doesn't mean you know how to kayak. It just means you have learned one aspect of Kayaking.
What was the rescue plan? Ooops we didn't have one. PPP.
This guy was under water a long time. At that point i would have been thinking about getting my life vest off and headed down to the green water
Longest 2:30 seconds of his life
I get why everyone is commending the guy who paddled in after him but this clip from start to end is pretty much everything you shouldn’t do when whitewater kayaking. Remember the most important person in a rescue situation is the one doing the rescuing.
Lol glad he survived but one thing I've learned is eventually if you keep testing Mother Nature she will take you out
Waterfall into pools are offer very dangerous and can be deadly, that safety line took way to long to be thrown out IMO. Good thing the group worked hard to help the struggling kayaker! 👍
Our friend Tex Stainforth drowned in front of us in exactly the same situation. 😥
Thought my man on the left was rocking a little electric guitar for dramatic purposes
Courageous rescue. Good work.
what do you actually do in this situation when alone? cling to the rocks at the bottom and crawl your way to the side?
I'm not arguing anything. I think this is a very informative video. I am simply curious why he chucked the paddle on that drop? That is all.
On the really big drops they chuck it away from them to stop it smashing into their faces - no need here really though so it was probably a bad decision (I'm no expert though).
He was showing off for the cameras. Instead of having safety where the one camera guy was, the were filming. At least the camera dude tried throwing what was left of his rappel rope. If there was a safety guy set up in the same place a couple of easy throws the drowning dude would have been pulled out.
So many things wrong or inadequate here. Has anybody who was there written or vloged about it, and where can we find that?
If he hadn't thrown his paddle away, he likely would have been fine and able to pull himself out before he got fully rolled. Nothing he did here was helpful to his situation.
I am not an experienced kayaker but was curious about as well . What is the reason for that? (throwing away the paddle)
@@dutchpicklevideos I assumed it was like with surfing...you don't want the board to hit you in the head or the fin to slice you up when you start getting tossed around like a ragdoll. Maybe trying to toss it away from where he'd be.
I used to live to paddle and have run waterfalls up to 50 ft. These guys were throwing their paddles to show off for camera. I taught river safety and kayak instruction. These guys made every mistake in book and were way above their skill and common sense level. People do crazy things when they know their is a camera running.
@@marciaewell2661 it did seem to me it would be very tough to control your kayak without the paddle - the show boating for the camera solves that puzzle
I am so confused, what happened to the guy that went in to rescue wearing a brown top and white helmet? He never surfaced in the video???
God damn these guys need some swift water training. That was a joke of a rescue attempt. Hopefully nobody died.
What would you have done differently ?
@@berrycrawford5579 To anyone experienced reading water, and with good judgement, that was a very dangerous water feature with a likelihood of trapping someone. Best option is to carry your boat around it. Only a super experienced person with the skill to avoid getting trapped and the skill to self rescue (like balling up and getting flushed out) should do it. And there are way more people who *think* they are that good than there are people who are *actually* that good. And if anyone did it, I'd have a safety setup with at least three specially trained rescuers, one rigged as "live bait" connected to a quick-release rope held by at least two rescuers on shore. Honestly, though, when I think about putting a live bait rescuer in for something you could have walked around, it seems like on that same stretch of river that day there must have been other fun and exciting things they could have done with less risk. One approach is to take a less dangerous feature and challenge yourself to do more difficult feats of boat control on it.
I'm confused... At one point, it looked like there were about five people in there between the people who kept coming over the falls and the rescuers, yet they show only one getting out of the wash?
Thank God everyone came out of this alright... Never Take For Granted
i once heard someone say "never throw your last knife" well in this case don't throw your paddle and have better chaces of fliping back up! Plus life jackets float well in water but not so well in air bubbles...
why did he toss his paddle away was stupid now cant paddle out of it
vivitar45 My thoughts exactly. why did he rid the paddle?
+Joseph Saeteurn Its called a wet exit and it is when you pull your skirt off so you can get out of the kayak. You need both hands to do it
+Christian Rodrigue don't you just use 1 hand to pull the spray skirt off? also the other person kept his paddle and was fine. do you even kayak?
+Joseph Saeteurn Yep I've known people us a paddle outside of a kayak to escape from things, nothing like though. People release they're paddle in panic.
+Joseph Saeteurn Yup I do...frequently actually. What I was trying to say was when your being whipped around a hydro and you need to get out of your kayak it is much easier with two hands. I know from first hand experience. Just my two sense no need to start making accusations
Das muss ich nicht haben !!! Danke für das Video
Why even risk putting your life and others in so much danger... there are plenty of thrilling runs that do not potentially lead to drowning
Where'd the other one go?
What we see here is risking life for fun. Great times? Their rescue plan/skills are ridiculous.