Maine's Lion
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Lion is the oldest surviving locomotive built in New England, and the only locomotive to survive from before 1850. Built in 1846 as one of an un-matched pair to work a logging railroad Lion and its siter Tiger were finally retired in 1892. Sadly, only Lion made to preservation in 1898.
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Ooooh boy Anthony, you don't know how much it means to see Maine's Lion on your channel.
glad you like it. Makes me very happy to read comments like that!
What a cute little machine. I can only imagine what the strains on the boiler must've been like with no way to cater for its expansion, in my opinion the notion of seeing it and the frame beginning to arch must've been terrifying!
I think it's very fitting that I got an advertisement for a train game on this video. Could you maybe do a video on "torch lake" the last mason bogie locomotive, and the oldest locomotive in north america still operating?
Thank you for covering this locomotive from my home state. I was wondering if you’d eventually talk about Lion eventually. I was always excited when we had a field trip to the state museum because of this locomotive. Excellent video as always.
What a fascinating and interestingly fetching machine, what a shame it doesn't get more publicity considering its relative importance to the US's locomotive manufacturing history. I'm surprised that dedicated logging railway systems existed that early on, and its industrial use does seem to be reflected by its crudeness like the single piece wheels, as you mentioned.
Another brilliant Rail Story helping to tell the history that has otherwise fallen by the wayside, both at home and overseas. Keep it up, Anthony!
Awesome video, Anthony- a pretty thorough history of 'Lion'! Certainly more than I knew. Very interesting, and the locomotive is beautifully restored! I also appreciated the shot of 'Copiapo', an 1850 survivor, and, if I may suggest, a good candidate for a future video! Cheers!
Very interesting, and great to see an engine that hails from my corner of the world. I'll have to take a trip to Augusta one of these days...
Locomotives have some of the coolest names ever.
Another informative and interesting video from Anthony.
I wonder if there was any naming connection of this Lion and sister Tiger with the names used around that time by the Liverpool & Manchester. I have seen early locomotives of railways separated by tens of thousands of miles using the same names in a similar time period. Although naming reasons unlikely to be documented and survive.
From 0:58 , the other aspect of British designs that was widely adopted by New England locomotive builders was the inside cylinder layout. This being used for reputably the fastest 4-4-0 locomotives in the US in the boom years of the 1850s. I though I remember the large wheeled New England "Clockers" being the reference. Yet as time went on this arrangement was not pursued.
So much did outside cylinders dominate later US usage, that many less knowledgeable US train interested people have difficulty imagining how a locomotive without the obvious cylinders could work at all.
I suspect there is absolutely no connection between the L&M and Lion and Tiger in Maine. By the time Hinckley had built his Lion and Tiger, thje Liverpool & Manchester no longer existed. And to be honest, Lion and Tiger were really really obscure goods locomotives. L&MR Lion only really became well known after 1930. During its working life it was nothing special.
Yeah, I knew about inside cylinders etc - I was just keeping it simple and straightforward rather than diving off on a tangent on US locomotive building :-)
You can safely say that Lion and Tiger were very popular names for steam engines in the early days - there were a lot of them! The Pennsylvania had a 'Tiger' 4-4-0 which, from memory was probably the engine which Charles Dickens mentioned in his 'American Notes'. A very beautiful model of her appeared on the cover of Model Railroader some 60 years ago!
I was wondering when someone would do a video on this engine!
My parents used to talk about taking me to see this "lion" and not the L&M Lion that I would talk about! LOL yet another amazing video good sir!
4:28 Who would have thought that a wooden two-axle wagon would be too weak to support a steam locomotive and tender?
I know right?
Thanks for the nicely made video on this interesting little engine. I don't know how many Hinckley locomotives survive, but you can probably count them on the fingers of one hand with a few amputations.
Glad you enjoyed it
I would love to see a video on the pioneer 4-2-0 steam locomotive built by baldwin with its rare gab valve gear it was built in the 1830s
Thanks, Anthony. A lovely programme, as always, and once again, I'm amazed to see how many very early locomotives still exist. Like Shawn Bolton, below, I'd like to know more about 'Copiapo' which, from its name, I presume is somewhere in South America?
Great one Anthony! Thanks for a fine video of engines not often reviewed. Cheers!
My pleasure!
Fun Maine railroad fact. Maines first steam locomotive was called pioneer and she was built by George Stephenson Co. and from the few photos existing of her looks very similar if not identical to Planet!
Look howfar these pioneer locomotives are evolutionairy away from modern trains.
We take it for granted when we board a modern train.
Thats why we need to conserve and protect all evolutionary steps from the pioneer trains to the modern trains.
Absolutely.
Love your stuff Anthony!
Keeping with the theme of your Smokey Joe video, have you ever considered spotlighting the GWR Holden 101? Or the Dowlais ironworks D class? I've always wanted to know more about them and I just love your informative but simple format.
Keep up the good work!
Holden's 101 was oil fired, I understand, and fitted with Walschearts valve gear. It was built for use as a works shunter at Swindon, but I don't know much else about it. The Dowlais Ironworks engines were built some time in the 1920s, and named for the then King and Queen. Somewhere in my archives (aka squirrel store) I have a 1947 Model Railway Constructor magazine with plans for King George V. That's all from memory - Anthony will certainly know a lot more. Odd, how two very obscure engines, one unique and only two of the other type should result in Hornby's using them as prototypes.
Once again amazing
Maine's Lion does look splendid. Great video
Thanks! And it does.
Great seeing a picture of "La Copiapo", do you plan on making a video about her? Greetings from Chile!
I do indeed.
Beautiful creature.
Could you cover Baldwins 1841 product 'American' yet more fun with the 4-2-0 wheel arrangement only it's all wheel drive now but has a driven bogie so... almost like they set out to confuse people trying to categorise wheel arrangements.
I'll check it out
Interesting photos here.
A fascinating locomotive I've never heard of before, presumably because it shares the same name as the L&MR Lion, to be honest I like the Lion of Maine more, thanks for making a video on it. Great work as always!
the Maine Lion is more authentic and far more intact than the L&MR Lion. :-)
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory they look very similar to me.
was animal names very trendy back then for iron horses?
didn't know that early engines where kept in service into the 1890s
I wish they would make more models of these type of locos
You and me both.
This is fantastic.
Hi,
I hope you could help me. I have done a display and want to put nameplates in front of selective Loco’s but wish to know their start and end date.
First is the Rocket, I think it came in in 1829 for the trials and used after for freight but don’t know when it stopped being used. Then there is the Phoenix, I don’t think you have made a video on that. I think it is an updated Rocket but am not sure on the years. Lastly it is Locomotion No.1 not sure on the dates for that one.
Love the channel, All the best and thanks.
Rocket 1829. Phoenix was a Rocket type, delivered in 1830. Locomotion (no "No. 1") was delivered in 1825.
Thank you. I enjoyed this episode, and I ain't Lion.
Well done. Have a cookie.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Thank you, kind sir.
Great piece (as always)! Thank you. It will have to hold us over until the State Museum again reopens after their HVAC repairs. In your research did you run across any information on the "Phoenix" the first Locomotive used on the Whitneyville and Machiasport Railroad? It was supposed to be Planet class locomotive supplied by Hinkley & Drury as a loaner until the "Tiger" was completed and shipped.
I have a certain fondness for the Planet class (in no small thanks to your two excellent videos). The provenance doesn't seem to be known locally.
...Since I'm conveniently bringing up "Planet"... would you happen to have any advice on how to locate the manufacturer of the two first locomotives in Maine? Two Planet class locomotives supposedly no 4 and no 6 produced by Rothwell of Bolton? They look to be Stephenson's early design (with the dome up front just behind the smoke-box) possibly fabricated in 1834+/-??? Named "Pioneer" and (very original) "Number 6" (also known as "Bib Smith".. There is undoubtedly a story there) They both managed to run into the 1840's (depending on who you listen to).
Thanks again for the fantastic content and I have your book on the Planet and Sampson class in my cart (preorder!)
-A
"Number 6" is included in my book on Planet & Samson. There's a drawing of "Pioneer" built by Hick, Hargreaves & Co of Bolton. It's not a true Planet, its a Bury type loco with inside sandwich frames. It had a dome-topped cylindrical firebox. It was built in 1832.
I include the general arrangement drawing in my book "Locomotives of the Victorian Railway" but the reproduction is, not great (thanks, printers!). Presumably Pioneer and Number 6 were built as a matched pair.
We could always collab. on a video on them?
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Ha! You're too kind... Not sure how much of a help I could be.
I have been collecting everything I could scrape from various sources on these two engines and would be happy to share for the good cause.
Let me know a good way to connect! I'd love to see a piece on them
Would you please do Dunrobin
It's a bit late to be honest - I stop about 1870, latest 1880.