The conversation of drafting guys to expect them to develop two years down the road was Telesco's strategy always. With first round picks, those need to be day one contributors but Telesco always was about developing players years later. First round picks are best player available that can contribute immediately
Ehh..I don't agree.I think inexperienced desperate coaches are fearful and rather play veterans with less upside but higher floors. Scared money don't make money and we've been coaching scared not to lose for a long time which reflects in rookies not being developed and predictable safe playcalling.
yeah, that's a dumb strategy. by the time they start contributing, their rookie deal is up. then ya either gotta pay them, or let em walk and start all over.
I don’t think it’s a strategy rather the reality of drafting. These players are not perfect when you draft them and it’s never a given that the pick is gonna work. Yeah idealistically you draft a player at any pick and you want them to play at a high level day 1 and be a starter. That’s not realistic, it has nothing to do with a perceived strategy at all. You pick guys thinking they are a good prospect and nothing else. You always draft based on NEED, yes you NEED rookies that produce. How you choose to blend positions ect takes alot of chance with creating a “complete” team. Every pick has got to work and everyone needs to stay healthy oh and every free agent has to work. Being a GM is tough to judge. Tyreek Hill was a 5th round pick because of character issues. The chiefs took a risk drafting him if it blew up in their face then everyone would say they are idiots for drafting a low character guy but he became a superstar. Every pick is a projection with a risk you can’t pretend you know how it’s going to go a certain way because no one knows,
@@gioitruong8067 No excuse to not get the #1 rated O Lineman. If Allen, Williams and Johnson are not considered weapons here love to see how’d they’d do in Kansas City, Baltimore, Buffalo or San Francisco where they actually have TIME to get open
Imagine passing up on Brock bowsers because… “drafting a TE early never works out” as your strategy…. With that being said, if Harbaugh is our coach whatever he decides I’m cool with.
It’s doesn’t matter who the TE/WR is if Herbert cant get time to get him the ball. I think the offense showed that all season. Draft an RT and if Bowers/Harrison is available grab one or the other than plug in the holes on Defense. Starting at CB.
@@ezshottah3732 i agree for the simple fact that he would be appealing to the run game and a new favorite target for Herbo. But the right tackle spot must be addressed immediately. The right side of that line collapsed waaayy too many times on potential game winning drives this season concluding to a sack from parsons pressures from hutchinson. And Ultimately causing an injury to Herbert’s throwing hand.
@@tm0n3ytr33 yea I mean like I said, if Harbaugh is gonna be our guy, I fully trust his decision in building the right team, and he’ll have a better gauge on who who is ready to make plays in the nfl
at this point, with his salary and injury history, I'd take a 3rd for Joey BUST-A. doubt anyone dumb enough to trade for him. maye a 4th or lower. they know chargers HAVE to dump alary. they know he's ALWAYS injured. maybe 49ers might make an offer thinking the porcelain doll might play if he's on same team as his brother.
I agree we need a OT in the frist round the trenches for this team on both sides major help. TE or WR is not going to help this team as much as that I don't care who they get Bower's or whatever I'm tired of seeing Herbert get killed. Your team doesn't really matter if you're franchise QB is not playing.
Matt money u right on again but we need the COACH to know it take 10 first down for Allen to have a touchdown we need speed speed speed and healthy receivers 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
I hope the fans are ready for this reset. I knew at the beginning of this season it was "actually" shine or we're done. Good episode. Biggest start is what will the Spanos' do? Then we go from there.
exactly, the draft is ALL that matters right now. even without the cap issues, this team has too many holes. Center, tackle, running back, tight end, wide receiver? Then, on defense, basically blow it up and start over. replace as many as you can. D line, line backers, corners, safety.
Ideally we get a couple draft picks for Mike W and Joey and Keenan and Mack both restructure.Only oroblem is they both had huge years and our vital.Bosa and Mike definitely gotta go regardless if they go off to have great seasons in the future.Cant let them play out their contracts and get nothing and you cant resign them based off injury history .
Moore is definitely not who i thought he was.Hes not bad,hes just not special.I feel bad he lost some key players (Lyndsey,Mike W,and palmer for awhile)but a great OC is able to plug and play because his system schemes ppl open and jeeps defenses off balance.Should of been a major adjustment(to run Spiller ,Kelly and Ek with heavy play action especially after the Mike W and Lyndey injuries and he had nothing but the same.Cowboys were right
yep. when Ekeler was interviewed after staley was fired, they asked him about his pass attempts were way down. He said Moore wanted to throw the ball down field more, so his number of passes out of the back field went down. you do what works. those deep passes take time to develop. The O line was NOT giving Herbert time, and he DIDN'T adjust. run game wasn't any good either. heck, lombardi did better than moore. hope they replace him, he sucked. granted, the players didn't block. maybe those plays work IF the chargers could block. none of the tightends or R B's can block. so, herbert got hit a lot.
We need an elite wr.Keenan is too old to carry this team.Time for Herbert to get his tyreek or waddle,or chase or Tee Higgins,or aj brown or Devante smith.that is who his draft mates are throwing to and that not real fair to judge Herbert on
Dan Quinn is a top of the line DC. He took the Falcons to the SB thanks to an Offensive Coordinator named Mike Shannahan. Without him Quinn’s Atlanta teams looked awful. If the Chargers hire him, it will the same mistake as when they hired Norv Turner.
Money is right,we dont have any fast recievers at all mike williams is just tall and has a food catch radius and keenan is amazing slot reciever thats about it tbh.They need to get and draft an explosive reciever who is fast and has all the tools.Also need a better tightend
4th place schedule so true. Didn't think about that whoever comes in has chance to win 10 games minimum. We have high picks each rd. we should be ready moving forward new yr is anyone's yr
As dangerous a pick that Bowers is, the key point is whether he will be used in their system. Are the chargers a WR system or a TE system. IDC who you have, there is only 1 BALL.
I'd trade Joey for a roast beef sandwich. He's ALWAYS Injured, and dont contribute much when he does play. Wont get much for Mike Williams with that knee injury. I know I'll get blasted for this, but I'd trade Derwin. We need the draft picks, and his play has dropped off to pay him that much. Maybe it was staley's scheme was the problem. but, most of the guys didn't know their assignments, leaving receivers WIDE Open. I wonder who is mostly to blame for their BAD drafting. Telesco, John Spanos, or staley. The drafts were BAD even before staley. Manti Teo, anyone? Tillery, Murray. How many R B's have they drafted? all BUSTS. Melvin Gordon was the last one that wasn't a total bust, and he was average. Spiller, on the team two years and hasn't seen the field much. looks liike a BUST to me. J T Woods, Dean Leonard. Maybe Johnny needs to realize that he is NOT a scout and DOESN'T know talent and let the pros select players. Heck, they would have more talent if they simply used MOCK drafts to select players. The FEW good players they have, they were lucky that they fell into their lap. They NEED to LOSE this last game so as not to screw up their draft pick. Watch the chiefs lose on purpose just to ruin the chargers draft position. game dont mean squat to them.
OUR last 3 years . Allen , Williams & Palmer have missed around 43 to 44 games , if Palmer misses this LAST game VRS the Chiefs , it will be the higher NO of the 2 stats ? Better yet , I'd say around 10 games OR less , these 3 have BEEN in the same game all the way through those 10 games ? For the LAST 2 years ! Think about that , NO , NO #1 , NO # 2 and your NO # 3 WR playing in more then 10 total games & those may have NOT been full games at that , for the last 2 years !
Matt, you gotta learn your lesson. The Chargers have their elite LT that they drafted in the 1st. They will more than likely pay him elite money in another year. You CAN NOT pay 2 guys at the same position, elite money ergo, you can not draft another OT and pay a 2nd guy elite $$ by drafting him in the 1st round. Just look at what happened to the Charger's cap when they decided to pay 2 edges and 2 WRs elite $$. They broke the 11th commandment of NFL finances and it bit them in the ass.
Completely agree on the turnover of the receiver room. It needs to be remade. I love Keenan Allen but we need to build for the future and I doubt next year is the year.
Money just needs to stfu with all this “emotional” talk and focus on the Chargers on a business level. The only player back between the main 4 is Keenan. Everyone else is gone. The Chargers will lose and get the #4 pick. Money, stop thinking with your heart and start thinking with your head. It’s a business. Quit moping and move the f*ck on.
IF Harbaugh goes to the raiders, dean might as well hire another CHEAP H C cause chargers will be last in the division, even if they hire Bellichick. Bellichick hasn't done much since Brady left. Easy to win a division when the other 3 teams stink. Until recently, the bills, jets, and dolphins weren't very good when thhe patriots owned the division.
Did they actually say that?? Easton stick sucks LMAOOO he ain’t half the qb Herbert is. Crazy how even some chargers fans were saying start stick over Herbert bunch of clowns and fake fans
I don't think they ever said Justin needs Stick in the film room I'm pretty sure they said Justin wanted him in the room over Chase that's why they kept Stick. As far as the NFL QB thing goes they're comparing him to some of the crappy Starters other teams have Or just gave up on because they sucked so bad.
@@DominicRogers-gs1fmI don't know anyone that said Stick should start over Herbert we didn't even want Tyrod to start over him so you right either fake fans or bots.
Chargers better NOT Win 😡 And WHY? Play Star Players in this MEANINGLESS game??? Why even risk a Star Player getting INJURED in a meaningless game tha can have severe consequences for next season???😡 If we win or a star player gets injured i will be so frustrated with this organization. Next season is the ONLY thing to look forward to Chargers organization get your minds right for the fans sake!!!!!!!!
TT destroyed this roster....total incompetence...you could see it a mile away....slow...boring...zero depth...a total nightmare...good riddance to all the talentless overpaid hasbeens...what a waste of a decade.
Who you talking about? Tom has let go of just about all of are good to very good players over the last decade. If you're talking about Allen you're not very smart & he's the only one I can think of that's been on this team that long.
Also only stupid people refer to people in this way TT what? It could be any number of people with that so be clear or be idiots I don't really care. I'm just going to 🤣 at you & be glad I'm Smarter than you.
@@jdl619 Allen is a good player.... I'm talking about t t's body of work from the beginning to the end.... The DJ Fluker's mante teos etc.. all the busts of linemen...Bosa....the terrible free agents one season and done...the one contract draft picks that are supposed to build depth...it never worked. 10 years...3 coaches...what a failure
The conversation of drafting guys to expect them to develop two years down the road was Telesco's strategy always. With first round picks, those need to be day one contributors but Telesco always was about developing players years later. First round picks are best player available that can contribute immediately
Great point , Telesco developo!!! BTW love your channel guys !! BBP
Agree Bolt Bro great podcast you all got. Hopefully new GM will get creative and get a great trade for the 1st round pick.
Ehh..I don't agree.I think inexperienced desperate coaches are fearful and rather play veterans with less upside but higher floors. Scared money don't make money and we've been coaching scared not to lose for a long time which reflects in rookies not being developed and predictable safe playcalling.
yeah, that's a dumb strategy. by the time they start contributing, their rookie deal is up. then ya either gotta pay them, or let em walk and start all over.
I don’t think it’s a strategy rather the reality of drafting. These players are not perfect when you draft them and it’s never a given that the pick is gonna work. Yeah idealistically you draft a player at any pick and you want them to play at a high level day 1 and be a starter. That’s not realistic, it has nothing to do with a perceived strategy at all. You pick guys thinking they are a good prospect and nothing else. You always draft based on NEED, yes you NEED rookies that produce. How you choose to blend positions ect takes alot of chance with creating a “complete” team. Every pick has got to work and everyone needs to stay healthy oh and every free agent has to work. Being a GM is tough to judge. Tyreek Hill was a 5th round pick because of character issues. The chiefs took a risk drafting him if it blew up in their face then everyone would say they are idiots for drafting a low character guy but he became a superstar. Every pick is a projection with a risk you can’t pretend you know how it’s going to go a certain way because no one knows,
Totally agree with you Money we need a coach that is ready for a fight. I hope Harbaugh can bring that to the ⚡ Bolt Family. Happy New Year Boss.
You cant convince me that Dan Quinn can change this fanchise that dude has alot of questions to be our HC TBH!!
Harbaugh to the rescue 🛟…
Draft O Line.
You said a lot with few words !! I agree unless Bowers's is there for us !!
O line against 😡😡we need speed play maker receiver or big time tight end
@@gioitruong8067 😂 not if you can’t run or protect Herbert 😂🧐🤫
Johnson was first pick last season, how’d that work out ?
@@addicted2fishing119 this group is a lot better and we got #5 pick we can’t be wrong this time we don’t have the two sturborn Gm and Coach anymore
@@gioitruong8067 No excuse to not get the #1 rated O Lineman.
If Allen, Williams and Johnson are not considered weapons here love to see how’d they’d do in Kansas City, Baltimore, Buffalo or San Francisco where they actually have TIME to get open
Imagine passing up on Brock bowsers because… “drafting a TE early never works out” as your strategy…. With that being said, if Harbaugh is our coach whatever he decides I’m cool with.
It’s doesn’t matter who the TE/WR is if Herbert cant get time to get him the ball. I think the offense showed that all season. Draft an RT and if Bowers/Harrison is available grab one or the other than plug in the holes on Defense. Starting at CB.
@@tm0n3ytr33 what’s nice about Brock bowser’s is you’re getting both oline help and a receiver
@@ezshottah3732 i agree for the simple fact that he would be appealing to the run game and a new favorite target for Herbo. But the right tackle spot must be addressed immediately. The right side of that line collapsed waaayy too many times on potential game winning drives this season concluding to a sack from parsons pressures from hutchinson. And Ultimately causing an injury to Herbert’s throwing hand.
@@tm0n3ytr33 yea I mean like I said, if Harbaugh is gonna be our guy, I fully trust his decision in building the right team, and he’ll have a better gauge on who who is ready to make plays in the nfl
QB 1 & LT are the only positions the Chargers don’t need to address this off-season
If we can get a mid or better second rounder for Bosa, I say take it to the bank
at this point, with his salary and injury history, I'd take a 3rd for Joey BUST-A. doubt anyone dumb enough to trade for him. maye a 4th or lower. they know chargers HAVE to dump alary. they know he's ALWAYS injured. maybe 49ers might make an offer thinking the porcelain doll might play if he's on same team as his brother.
Evening gents! The rushing stat minus the MIA game post was from Arjun Menon.
I agree we need a OT in the frist round the trenches for this team on both sides major help. TE or WR is not going to help this team as much as that I don't care who they get Bower's or whatever I'm tired of seeing Herbert get killed. Your team doesn't really matter if you're franchise QB is not playing.
Matt money u right on again but we need the COACH to know it take 10 first down for Allen to have a touchdown we need speed speed speed and healthy receivers 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
I hope the fans are ready for this reset. I knew at the beginning of this season it was "actually" shine or we're done. Good episode. Biggest start is what will the Spanos' do? Then we go from there.
Matt money GM !!! Put your name in the hat brother !!!
Hope ur joking
exactly, the draft is ALL that matters right now. even without the cap issues, this team has too many holes. Center, tackle, running back, tight end, wide receiver? Then, on defense, basically blow it up and start over. replace as many as you can. D line, line backers, corners, safety.
Ideally we get a couple draft picks for Mike W and Joey and Keenan and Mack both restructure.Only oroblem is they both had huge years and our vital.Bosa and Mike definitely gotta go regardless if they go off to have great seasons in the future.Cant let them play out their contracts and get nothing and you cant resign them based off injury history .
Money and his hypotheticals 😂😂😂
Moore is definitely not who i thought he was.Hes not bad,hes just not special.I feel bad he lost some key players (Lyndsey,Mike W,and palmer for awhile)but a great OC is able to plug and play because his system schemes ppl open and jeeps defenses off balance.Should of been a major adjustment(to run Spiller ,Kelly and Ek with heavy play action especially after the Mike W and Lyndey injuries and he had nothing but the same.Cowboys were right
yep. when Ekeler was interviewed after staley was fired, they asked him about his pass attempts were way down. He said Moore wanted to throw the ball down field more, so his number of passes out of the back field went down. you do what works. those deep passes take time to develop. The O line was NOT giving Herbert time, and he DIDN'T adjust. run game wasn't any good either. heck, lombardi did better than moore. hope they replace him, he sucked. granted, the players didn't block. maybe those plays work IF the chargers could block. none of the tightends or R B's can block. so, herbert got hit a lot.
We need an elite wr.Keenan is too old to carry this team.Time for Herbert to get his tyreek or waddle,or chase or Tee Higgins,or aj brown or Devante smith.that is who his draft mates are throwing to and that not real fair to judge Herbert on
Why does Chris have a comically large microphone this episode?
I think it's just the camera angle 😂 though.
I hope the Spanos get it right with the GM and the head coach! Bc trust the fans will them know
I think if you pass on TE first round you draft WR. If Nabers is there you get him. We need a potential number 1 long term
Dan Quinn is a top of the line DC.
He took the Falcons to the SB thanks to an Offensive Coordinator named Mike Shannahan. Without him Quinn’s Atlanta teams looked awful.
If the Chargers hire him, it will the same mistake as when they hired Norv Turner.
Games are still won and lost in the trenches !!!
What happened to the all in series?
Money is right,we dont have any fast recievers at all mike williams is just tall and has a food catch radius and keenan is amazing slot reciever thats about it tbh.They need to get and draft an explosive reciever who is fast and has all the tools.Also need a better tightend
4th place schedule so true. Didn't think about that whoever comes in has chance to win 10 games minimum. We have high picks each rd. we should be ready moving forward new yr is anyone's yr
Got Cleveland,pitt, Baltimore,Cincy,Philly and Dallas ..KC twice ..not as easy as u think
Sadness will clapp gonna be gone
this is the best team
Bowers is A LOT more like Kelce than Kittle lol wth is this guy talking about?????
As dangerous a pick that Bowers is, the key point is whether he will be used in their system. Are the chargers a WR system or a TE system. IDC who you have, there is only 1 BALL.
Sup Chris who can we really go get as our coach for next year?
I'd trade Joey for a roast beef sandwich. He's ALWAYS Injured, and dont contribute much when he does play. Wont get much for Mike Williams with that knee injury. I know I'll get blasted for this, but I'd trade Derwin. We need the draft picks, and his play has dropped off to pay him that much. Maybe it was staley's scheme was the problem. but, most of the guys didn't know their assignments, leaving receivers WIDE Open. I wonder who is mostly to blame for their BAD drafting. Telesco, John Spanos, or staley. The drafts were BAD even before staley. Manti Teo, anyone? Tillery, Murray. How many R B's have they drafted? all BUSTS. Melvin Gordon was the last one that wasn't a total bust, and he was average. Spiller, on the team two years and hasn't seen the field much. looks liike a BUST to me. J T Woods, Dean Leonard. Maybe Johnny needs to realize that he is NOT a scout and DOESN'T know talent and let the pros select players. Heck, they would have more talent if they simply used MOCK drafts to select players. The FEW good players they have, they were lucky that they fell into their lap. They NEED to LOSE this last game so as not to screw up their draft pick. Watch the chiefs lose on purpose just to ruin the chargers draft position. game dont mean squat to them.
I would trade bosa and picks for a team to take his entire contract. Maybe a pick swap
OUR last 3 years . Allen , Williams & Palmer have missed around 43 to 44 games , if Palmer misses this LAST game VRS the Chiefs , it will be the higher NO of the 2 stats ? Better yet , I'd say around 10 games OR less , these 3 have BEEN in the same game all the way through those 10 games ? For the LAST 2 years ! Think about that , NO , NO #1 , NO # 2 and your NO # 3 WR playing in more then 10 total games & those may have NOT been full games at that , for the last 2 years !
Matt, you gotta learn your lesson. The Chargers have their elite LT that they drafted in the 1st. They will more than likely pay him elite money in another year. You CAN NOT pay 2 guys at the same position, elite money ergo, you can not draft another OT and pay a 2nd guy elite $$ by drafting him in the 1st round. Just look at what happened to the Charger's cap when they decided to pay 2 edges and 2 WRs elite $$. They broke the 11th commandment of NFL finances and it bit them in the ass.
Completely agree on the turnover of the receiver room. It needs to be remade. I love Keenan Allen but we need to build for the future and I doubt next year is the year.
Jim is Him
Let's get this L - top 5 pick, bowers or bust !
Money just needs to stfu with all this “emotional” talk and focus on the Chargers on a business level. The only player back between the main 4 is Keenan. Everyone else is gone. The Chargers will lose and get the #4 pick. Money, stop thinking with your heart and start thinking with your head. It’s a business. Quit moping and move the f*ck on.
Frank Gore jr!!!!!!!
IF Harbaugh goes to the raiders, dean might as well hire another CHEAP H C cause chargers will be last in the division, even if they hire Bellichick. Bellichick hasn't done much since Brady left. Easy to win a division when the other 3 teams stink. Until recently, the bills, jets, and dolphins weren't very good when thhe patriots owned the division.
Arent these the two idiots who said Easton Stick is an NFL QB and Justin needs him in the film room?
Did they actually say that??
Easton stick sucks LMAOOO he ain’t half the qb Herbert is. Crazy how even some chargers fans were saying start stick over Herbert bunch of clowns and fake fans
I don't think they ever said Justin needs Stick in the film room I'm pretty sure they said Justin wanted him in the room over Chase that's why they kept Stick. As far as the NFL QB thing goes they're comparing him to some of the crappy Starters other teams have Or just gave up on because they sucked so bad.
@@DominicRogers-gs1fmI don't know anyone that said Stick should start over Herbert we didn't even want Tyrod to start over him so you right either fake fans or bots.
@@jdl619 noone said Stick should start over Herbert. These two actually said Stick is valuable to the organization which he is actually is not.
@@jdl619 they sure did make theis claim multiple times.
Chargers better NOT Win 😡
And WHY? Play Star Players in this MEANINGLESS game???
Why even risk a Star Player getting INJURED in a meaningless game tha can have severe consequences for next season???😡
If we win or a star player gets injured i will be so frustrated with this organization.
Next season is the ONLY thing to look forward to Chargers organization get your minds right for the fans sake!!!!!!!!
not hard decision get rid of bosa missed a ton of games overrated not hard of a decision
TT destroyed this roster....total incompetence...you could see it a mile away....slow...boring...zero depth...a total nightmare...good riddance to all the talentless overpaid hasbeens...what a waste of a decade.
Who you talking about? Tom has let go of just about all of are good to very good players over the last decade. If you're talking about Allen you're not very smart & he's the only one I can think of that's been on this team that long.
@@jdl619that is who he is talking about Tom Telasco(TT)
@@dontnonowuno9953 I know who he is talking about idiot when it comes to TT. Can you not read or just don't understand?
Also only stupid people refer to people in this way TT what? It could be any number of people with that so be clear or be idiots I don't really care. I'm just going to 🤣 at you & be glad I'm Smarter than you.
@@jdl619 Allen is a good player.... I'm talking about t t's body of work from the beginning to the end.... The DJ Fluker's mante teos etc.. all the busts of linemen...Bosa....the terrible free agents one season and done...the one contract draft picks that are supposed to build depth...it never worked. 10 years...3 coaches...what a failure