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We have the PTR 91F out at the range today. This rifle is a heavy barreled clone of the original HK-91, the original civilian version of the venerable G3 battle rifle. These rifles are great shooters, very reliable though use of a fluted chamber and delayed roller blowback operation.
The rifle is a bit rough of brass, however there are some aftermarket products such as port buffers to help with that minor issue. The trigger is setup out of the box for a 7.5lb pull weight, not the best for accuracy work but you may be surprised at what we wring out of the rifle even with a heavy trigger.
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Well, I carried the G3 during my military service in the mid 80´s as my standard weapon and I can say it was a hell of a gun. Most of the time we trained on ranges of 100 to 300 meters and back in that days I never thaught that a mass produced automatic rifle that was in steady use could be that accurate and to hit 17 or more targets on 300 meters with a 20 round magazine was not an accident! Even during my special sniper training we (among others) used the G3 with a 4x Scope on ranges up to 1000 meters with tremendous results. Speaking of the magazines. Eric presented us an aluminium 20 round magazine from 1985. Well, this was the time when the German Army changed from steel magazines to aluminium magazines. During my first few months I carried four of these steel monsters and later they where replaced by the aluminum ones. Man... what a difference in weight! So all I can say about the (original) G3 is that it is a very, very accurate rifle and that not only under proper range conditions but also in the hard everyday military service.
Que gran parecido con el cetme
Definitely in the hands of an experienced sharpshooter, it would have caused devastating damage to Soviet troops in urban and forest terrains.
@@inocenciaherrerasantos7314
Parecido no, el.g3 es una modificación bajo licencia del cetme
well, we did have aluminum magazines in 1980, in fact most were aluminum, the heavy steel mags were few in between, definetely not standard in 1980. PzGrenDiv6, Brigade 16+17, Dran Drauf Drüber!
You were a carpenter MARK!!??
I serve in the Colombian Military with the G3 (full automatic version) PTR 91F great piece to work with. We used to wear 5 magazines, very heavy but the piece was very reliable.
Fighting against the FARCs
Yo en el Ejercito Mexicano, con el mismo el famosìsimo G-3, saludos desde Culiacan Sinaloa
308 with a 50 rnd drum. Power.
Needs a bumpfire stock and a vehicle mount...
Don't see any of these on the news..
Bill Carson that’s because cowards are pussies as well
WHERE CAN I GET ONE
@@caveymoley Ha, try to hit anything with 308 and bumpfire...
I carried a an AG3-F1 wich is the Norwegian version of the G3 with a sliding stock during my milliary service in Norway. Shooting that thing is what I miss the most about the army :-)
Bumbling Bushcraft lol I had the original G3 here in germany, I love that goddamn beast!
I feel you mate
Bumbling Bushcraft It certainly kicks a bit. I have the semi auto PTR. I can only imagine shooting one on full auto.
Bumbling Bushcraft Maybe you guys can help me out. I am having a time vetting used to the sight picture. When using setting "1" on the diopter rear sight, do you try lining up the notch with the front post or do you forget the rear sight and focus on the post. I've been struggling for consistency with this setup. I am more used to the ghost ring setup. I just got this rifle.
getting used to the sight picture I meant.
Bumbling Bushcraft why dont you just buy one?
"you can date your mags" finally i wont be alone
at least he's not dating chad
the trigger reset sounds like hitting a soup can with a stick ;D
Haha! it does
Chewedbacca it's not that loud,he pulls trigger real slow,but I agree it's a pretty stuff trigger with no work done
Chewedbacca at least you know it’s a tough gun by the way it sounds😂
Vick Nelonis , Glock shooters love to talk about audible/tactile reset ( which actually is useful)... G3 and G3 clone shooters just look over to them saying: "That's cute..."
At least I'm not the only one that noticed
I forgot to mention, that I'm still reloading with the same load and using the same cases I saved from years ago. So far, I gave loaded them 11 times and see NO signs of damage on the inside of the cases! Through the years I had 3 with split necks and no head separations! I love your videos!
Kim Curtis That's good to know because someone talked about possible damage and not being able to reload but it's good to hear from you that it's still a way to save some cash.
X products needs to make that damn drum affordable. I could arm 1000 west africans with AKs and Hi-points to shoot ebola for the cost of a X-products drum.
Lower cost and weight. Even the skeletonized loaded is hefty. And as eric pointed out, the loading wheel, reduce the size a bit so you avoid interference. Plus it could be lightened.
I hear ya, however when i saw one at a gunshow earlier this year i couldn't resist and bought one. I could of got a mosin and 100s of rounds of ammo for what i paid for that drum, but I do love that drum.
hahahahahahahahaha i litterally fell out of my chair laughing so hard haha! love it
Best comment ever.
Top lel
these are probably the best go to rifle right now. awesome price, extremely reliable, cheap 20 rounders, and with good ammo its a force to be reckoned with
Thanks for the video! :) When I served in the German Luftwaffe in the late 80's, the G3 was our service weapon. Great gun to shoot with, though my rifle was older than me at that time.
Quite funny, I always thought of the MP5 as of an "undersized G3"... :)
Nope people dont recognize
With a subsonic ammo and silencer, it would prove to be a lethal stalking weapon system.
I think G3 was making a troubles more than enemy to you
You are the most detailed weapons expert I've come across on the internet. Thank you for explaining all the connective facets of shooting the PTR 91F so well!
I just picked up a PTR91 today, bipod, no paddle release, with wide front guards and a pic rail on top. I love living in Texas!
I had to gve my AG3 a little pat after watching this. It's been in service with the army since 1969, and today with the Home Guard. According to the armorer, it has never needed any major repair, nor had its barrel changed, despite maybe 100.000 rounds through it. Last years inspection had him keep it for a day tho, refinishing it and changing out some bolts(for the front grip) that had ben worn out from use.
I love that rifle, I know if things go bad and I have to step up in the Home Guard, it will do its job without issues. Only time I've had a failure on it was during a night shoot, where somehow I had managed to get a piece of branch into the mag.
OFcourse, I also watched the mag torture test video, and had a laugh. Some of my mags have more dings than a italian 1978 lambretta thats been in use in Rome for 30 years :P Yet they never seem to fail.
RalpGalland 100000 rounds, huh?
@@broup9137 it's been regularly shot by a professional army for 53 years. very realistic number
have had the c308 now for two weeks. absolute dream, new favorite rifle
I appreciate your review and your professional approach to evaluation.
I believe the PTR91 to be one of the better Battle rifles produced. The welding is superior in many respects to the original HK. When deciding on a true battle rifle considerations I consider are: take down power, availability of ammo on the battle field, accuracy, versatility (CQB, distance, putting food on the table - just in case) and dependability. I too have found this rifle to fit all those things and then some. BTW...try the new trigger pack - much cleaner break.
Please more PTR videos!!!!!
FN FAL vs PRT vs AR10 Please!!!!!
vs m1a vs scar 17s
If you're a ptr fanboy, then you won't like how that video plays out lol.
What are you talking about? Did you even watch the video? What did they say bad about the PTR? I didn't hear anything really negative at all.
They said it was very accurate and very capable. Extremely cheep mags. High reliability, proven track record.
Not sure what you could say bad about this firearm besides it is a older design and (this was not in the video) it damages the spent casing / brass. I know this since I own one.
Not a "fan boy" by any stretch of the imagination. It is a solid rifle. Yes it is that simple.
You might want to at least watch the video before attempting to troll.
All you meagerly accomplished was to make a complete @$$ of your self. So for that congratulations.!
Benjamin Griffith I did watch the video, but the ptr is far more lacking when compared with the fall and ar-10.
Again where in the video did they say anything negative? You are stating your opinion.
"Fall"? Do you mean FAL?
The FAL compared to the HK or PTR91 in my opinion isn't even close. The closer tolerances on the FAL make it much less reliable and much more finicky.
Not to mention the HK / PTR will eat anything you feed it. Not so with FAL.
Also the HK / PRT mags are insanely cheap. literally $3 or less you can get 20 rd mags. The FAL mags are at least $25+.
I also own a AR10 which is a nice rifle but again the reliability isn't even close to the HK / PTR. I have had far more issues with my AR10 than the PTR. In fact I have NEVER had an issue in the last 5yrs I have owned the rifle. I have had various issues with my AR10.
I have had feeding issues, broken extractor and various other issues.
It is all personal preference and application. Over all the PTR is cheaper to shoot (since it was designed to shoot steel ammo) and it is far more reliable. Yes those are FACTS.
The AR10 has its modularity going for it and tons of after market parts. As well as being lighter in most cases and setups.
Yes you can make the AR10 a fancier smoother rifle, no question. Of course at a much higher cost. But dollar for dollar the PTR is far better. Not to mention safer. Since it has the delayed blow back.
Again it is all preference and I like and enjoy both rifles.
"Think of it as a giant MP5" - actually it's the other way around.
"5PM tnaig a sa ti fo knihT?" That makes no sense dude . . . .
@@CountArtha nice
Enjoyed the video very much! I bought an original HK 91 in 1978 or 1980 and used it to hunt deer and antelope here in Wyoming. Over the years it was accurate enough to take 21 deer and 38 antelope with head and/or neck shots! It was VERY accurate from the bench, turning in better than 1 MOA most of the time with hand loads of 44 gr. of IMR 4064 in commercial and military cases using I lg rifle primers and 165 to 168 grain Sierra BTHP bullets! I got stupid and traded it for a Valmet sniper rifle in 7.62X39. I hated it! Tried to get the HK back but couldn't! I now have a PTR 91 w/18 inch barrel and a Hi-Lux/Leatherwood camputer scope and I love it. All together with a bi-pod, aluminum handguard and the sope it weighs nearly 16 pounds! As far as mags go, I had 8 that I kept from years ago and bought another 10 last fall for $2.00 each, NEW! I love it! Keep up the good work!
Kim Curtis How does the PRE shoot with your hand loads??
IS it as accurate as your original HK91??
Kim Curtis SORRY FOR THE TYPO, YOUR PTR.
Aiming for the head on purpose or because thats the only shot the animals presented?
Great video as always guys. I shot the G3 in the german army about 11 years ago... this rifle is just a charm. Your video brought up lots of good memories. Thanks for that. I'd love to see you try out some handloads!
my shooting buddy has an old HK-91 and I enjoyed it a lot, it never fails to feed or fails to eject a spent cartridge, but it is cared for very well.
I bought 200 G-3 mags back in 2005 for under $1.50 Ea. I love the H&K 91 and have several. I'm a bit picky on my battle rifles but am truly impressed with your demo of the PTR 91F. Thanks to both of you for the video.
Another top notch video/review! I got the ptr 91 GI, some cons are the iron sites are way off on mine and I need to send it in to get fixed. The windage is over 6inches off at 25yrds with max adjustment. I don't reload but my spent brass is dented sometimes which Ive read may prevent reloading. Trigger is not good as you guys stated. Lastly I need to get a cheek riser for stock to shoot with my leopold patrol 1.25-4 scope, otherwise I'm shooting with chin weld! One last important note for potential buyers, you are limited on the overall length of scope to about 12inches because of the charging handle, any longer and the charging and scope are to close when you lock chamber open.
Pros are cheap mags, accurate, reliable as hell, aesthetics, price of rifle, the fact that they used original tooling to manufacture the rifle.
Thanks guys for being the best RUclips channel, your hard work and dedication is appreciated
0:00-0:10 is basically american history explained in 10 seconds.
Might makes right!
Bald eagles, bikinis, 1776, apple pie, guns, 🇺🇸anshit...
Yet I've sat on toilet seats older than the United States.
You must live in a pretty shitty country.
Senator Armstrong, restoring America to its former glory NANOMACHINES SON!
I have one. Love it. 1700 rounds without any problems.
"A rifle behind every blade of grass"
How small did they think we were back then? :D
They were projecting their insecurities on us.
I served with spanish CETME C, the father of all this G3, PTR, etc. Mad tough, great with bayonet or as mallet. In Spec. Ops. we shot a lot every day, very precise in long range, a bit jumper when auto, but almost no recoil. May be too long for urban combat. Great at open range. People say it's a bit heavy... By your third month with it in your hand every single day, it's like a feather.
A bit rusty. Cleaning frequently is a must.
The best and worst thing about this rifle is that it was designed to shoot steel cheap ammo. If you think you are going to reload with brass, don't count on it. It damages the brass reliably every time.
But it will eat anything you can feed it and reliably fire every time. It is literally reliable like an AK. Dirt mud snow water anything doesn't seem to effect this rifle in the least.
Also the mags are cheap. I got 20 for less than $40 with shipping.
I must say I love this it is one of my favorite .308s.
Do people even reuse spent ammo cases?
Seriously? Or are you just trolling?
If you don't know it is called reloading. There is a huge community all about reloading.
Benjamin Griffith I never thought people habitually reuse spent cases rather than go to the store to buy some more lead (except for rare calibers that aren't mass-produced anymore)
+John Whitesell yeah we do use spent brass. not only for rare calibers but stuff that is to expensive to not reload. 338 Lapua comes to mind. that stuff is $4-5 a shot for factory ammo.
There is a rubber piece you can put on the deflector and saves brass, it does put a little dent but the lines from the fluted trunnion are not harmful to the brass
there is always the time needed to get to know each rifle. A skill that applies to rifles, commercial trucks, sewing machines and people all across the world. Even a car you've never driven that's the same model as the one you've driven for years, same age, mileage, make and model will have differences. During designated marksman training, our instructors would smoke the shit out us and switch our rifles while we were sleeping to throw us loop. Shooters adjust to rifles, spotters adjust to shooters, when they did that to us it was to teach fast, under pressure adaptation, because your buddy might be a casualty and your weapon might malfunction. Keeping the weapon available in the fight with the personnel able saves lives. Adjust adapt, overcome.
Fine rifle, one I would consider for a one and done option.
Eric, you and Chad makes some damn good videos. Keep up the great work guys!!
I had both, the G3 and the G36, in my servicetime in the german Bundeswehr. Trust me, none of us liked the G36 half as much as the G3. A great gun.
If you don't have one...get one. The PTR91 is a fine weapon system with a proven track record of reliability. You can drop one from a helicopter, pick it up and fire it as if nothing ever happened....iron sights that is. I have a few and swear by them. They have functioned accurately and flawlessly through several thousand rounds. Remember garbage in...garbage out. If you use crap ammo it will most likely cause any weapon system to fail. AR10's are nice but I'd take a solid PTR anyday.
Could you throw in a FA trigger pack and bolt carrier and do a meltdown Video-maybe PTR or Atlantic Firearms can help you out with this. Never seen a Roller-lock meltdown, and maybe the manufactuer wold be interested in seeing this on YT. Good selling point for them
During my service in the German Armed Forces, the last time I shot this (as a G3) at a 300 metres range (approximately 330 yards) on pop up targets, I got nine out of ten with iron sights. It's just an very accurate weapon - hands down! Also very reliable but heavy as f*ck. Nevertheless, I would prefer it to a G36 for my personal "home gun". However, I'm not allowed here to own one for personal purposes instead of being a member in a gun club or a proven huntsman. It's a pity.
Not really. This discussion popped up here a few years ago but in conclusion it was more of a political forced thing. I've never had a single issue with this gun within 8 years of service. There was a few rumors that it could have some issues in battles in Afghanistan which lasts for hours. But that beeing said one have to see that this rifle wasn't designed for the massive heat and conditions in this area. The Bundeswehr's first duty is to prevent and defend the german general public on german ground, a defense force. So, certainly it was designed for middle european woodland first of all.
Actually I have never shot this rifle, but for me it looks like a good contender.
I bought one a few years back and I love it. Sucker is heavy and super reliable. Pretty much my doomsday gun.
@Iraqveteran8888 PLEASE DO A COMPARISON VIDEO of a .308 and a 7.62x54R. I've seen so many comparison videos where the video maker starts off by using a bolt action mosin and a PTR and that to me just starts the problems from the beginning. What I am looking for is 15 minutes of bolt action, 15 minutes of semi-auto. In the comparison I would like to see 1) Chronograph of both bolt action and semi-auto groups (both .308 and 7.62x54R). 3) Accuracy testing of both sets at 50, 100, 500 yards [whatever your max ability is - both sets :)) 3) Penetration testing of both sets. 4) Ballistic gel of both sets. Someone told me that in the end of the day the .308 out performs the 7.62x54R. But I hear its really close. To be honest I am looking to get a main medium caliber rifle. I have Mosin Nagant ammo. But someone told me the .308 just out performs the 7.62x54R in many different categories. I say due to the size the 7.62x54R should out perform the .308 since its a larger caliber, supposedly at a flatter trajectory and many more categories. I do know the .308 is more readily available. So you would think and hope that it is in higher demand because it can out perform. Please and Thank you! I would be willing to do the comparison video with you. But please message me :)
I love mine! My AR's don't get as much attention since I bought my PTR-91. It really is a joy to shoot and it seems to get better with every trip to the range.
Great video. I need to pick one up for sure.
I bought my PTR-91 in 2010 when I was sent out with 900 bucks to pick up a new mattress. Mattress was 1150 bucks, but the gun store right next door had new PTRs for 850 dollars. She left shortly after.
Pretty stupid. I hope you lived and learned, pimp.
Why does everyone clone H&K weapons? Because they are absolutely the sexiest things in existence.... and also absolutely the most expensive.
You do realize the H&K G3 is nothing more than a license built copy of the Spanish CETME M1958, right.
@@txgunguy2766 you're forgetting about alot of the upgrades done by HK,
@@rebeccanortje8285
The G3 is a license built copy of a German designed but Spanish produced rifle. It was originally going to be the WW2 German STG45 but the war ended before the design was finalized. The engineers took the prototype and designs ,first to France and then Spain who was willing to let them compete their work on the new rifle for the Spanish government at the CETME arsenal. In the early 60s Germany was looking to replace their license built copy of the FAL and bought production rights to the Spanish M1958 rifle.
@@txgunguy2766 HK added Diopter sights and used higher spec tooling, The G3 is pretty much a slight evolution of the Cetme which In turn is an Evolution of the STG45(M)
@@rebeccanortje8285
The CETME had diopter sights. They were in a 4 sided flip paddle with an open notch for 100 and 3 peep holes for 200,300,400.
Great explanation of mechsnics of the rifle. Learned a lot!
I have the GI version and with iron sights I got a 7in group at 200m. I got the 1-6 optic otw can't wait to see if it improves
What optic did you go with, does yours have the top rail mount? I’ve got one shipping out soon and am weighing my options.
i have a ptr 91 and it is by far my favorite rifle. I've had a p90 a kriss a couple ars couple ak and ak variants and i dont know why but, this one is my favorite and it's a serious tac driver
I love the reset on the trigger how loud it is.
Joseph Anthony no joke! I was so surprised by how loud it was at first I did not realize it was the reset 😊
One of my all time favorite weapons. I bought a cetme for 550 awhile back and was pleasantly surprised when during the first break down I found that the previous had swapped in as many genuine hkparts they could find
how did that even work. they're not the same gun at all
@@rustys.1070 the cetme is pretty damn close to an HK G3 (which is the same as a PTR 91, minus the trunion. )HK bought the rights to the CETME and slapped their name on it
That gun screams for getting upgraded with a PSG1 or similar match trigger. Awesome video
The gun had only one problem when was becoming hot. It tended to brake the ring that held the front of the barrel and the front sites. The front sites were stopping to look parallel with the barrel (sometimes). You could have a very good shot concentration 5 yards from the target LOL. Other than that is a fantastic gun. It can destroy pretty much anything you shoot at. Extremely accurate too.
LOVE my PTR 91-F. I added a wide black handguard and a Greek contract bipod. I'm also using a B-Square mount so I can use the iron sights for close range and the scope for long range.
+mcm95403 What's the MOA on the F model? Heard it's more accurate than the GI.
Next time I get to the range I'll let you know. My glasses are so old I can't really see the sights, but last time I went shooting I put all 40 rounds I fired into the black at 100 yards. Being 52 with 20/600 eyesight sucks.
mcm95403 My eyesight's not much better and I'm 21...No worries. As far as into the black goes (I can't remember honestly), that's like within what radius? A foot or less? As long as you can put 9/10 rounds into an area 8-9 inches across (at 100 yards), it's perfect for me. I am eager to hear your next response. =)
Yes, 8" black circle.
mcm95403 Excellent. Then it's accuracy is perfect for me. I better get to it before they're banned in California (I love my state, but 90% of the gun laws are nonsense).
I am impressed with the PTR 91F would like to see it run with a suppressor.
I hope one day PTR makes a PSG1 clone. I would be one very happy camper.
Gewehr3
They do actually, well kind of.
Their Super Sniper model is as close to it as it gets.
You can build one or have one built, it's not cheap though.
The MSG!
Excellent video! I've watched this a few times. The delivery when you say "Oh Yeah" cracks me up. Completely genuine enjoyment. Nice work sir!
i like these HK91/ PTR91 Videos theres not alot of HD content with this rifle on RUclips. Keep them coming if possible!! Do a review and break down or something.
Excellent video/test.
WE used to shoot these in Semi Auto here in the UK 'till a few folk were killed by a madman. Now we only have .22lr Semi autos which as you know never harmed even a fly !!!!
it'll be cool to compare ptr91,DSA Fal, and Springfield M1A
702flyguy I second this three years later Hahahah
I third that lol years later
Love how his body looks like he's being hit by a heavyweight boxer but the barrel stays almost perfectly still in the opening, this is how you handle firearms guys take notes
Looks like a stg-44 and an mp5 had a baby. I love it.
Well, the Germans who designed the Sturmgewehr eventually were responsible for this, and the MP5 was just a scaled down version for 9mm. So I guess this is the STG-44's son, and the MP5's father.
I may be late and redundant, but whatever.
Much like the AK family, the G3, MP5, and STG-44 are all very similar to each other, with the STG-44 being the original daddy of the family. Reason is it saves R&D cost, and plus, why would anyone change/fix something that works very well? So like NitroNinja24 said, only difference is the scale of the parts which accommodates the caliber it fires.
A non-firearms example would be the Boeing design.
Darren сука Sorry for the misinformation. I'm not that knowledgeable of H&K's and the such.
The G3 is actually the final product to come from the STG45 prototype
PTR plant is in my hometown and I live 10 minutes away amazing people and firearms
The delayed roller locked action of the H&K design is what makes their PSG1 sniper rifle, one of the most accurate semi auto rifles in the world. However, the downside with all the HK's is that the fluted chamber, along with the violent ejection of brass, renders about 3/4 of your casings unusable.
***** The HK91 tends to throw casings about 30-40 feet forward and right from your firing position. About 50% of them will be badly dented from impact with the ejection port. You can install a port buffer to minimize this somewhat. Also, the brass fire-forms itself to the chamber flutes, and these become stress risers in the casing. As such, you should only reload casings once, then toss them.
If you want to improve the trigger on a ptr just swap in a psg1 trigger group, from hkparts.net
Jose Velasquez Indeed. However, PSG-1 trigger groups are about 500-600 dollars. A less expensive, but equal alternative is to have the existing trigger group modified to a set trigger by Williams Trigger Specialties. For about 175 dollars, he can modify the HK-91 trigger to 4 lbs on normal mode, and 2.5 lbs on "set", with only about .030" of trigger creep. I have one of these triggers on my PSG-1, believe me, there is a HUGE difference between this and the stock HK-91 trigger.
i had an old portugese contract g3 (with the telescoping stock) decades ago and shot both spanish corrosive surplus but a few civilian cases many which got dents.
i full based resized the civilian brass and reloaded them and they all worked, at least for 4 or 5 reloads.
I'm not saying you CAN'T reload brass from a fluted chamber multiple times..... but from what I have read, it's not recommended, because the flutes create stress risers in the casings, which can cause longitudinal splitting with repeated firings. The flutes in the
chamber are to ease the extraction forces of the hot case and lessen how tight it adheres to the chamber wall, that puts stress on the brass at each flute. That sort of stress is not seen in a normal chamber since
they don't have the flutes and to what extent that will effect case
performance and longevity are an unknown.
Case preparation will take time in that each case will need to be sized, trimmed to length, primer pocket swaged (most likely with military
cases) and then fireformed to remove the flute dents. The amount of reloads available after that is an unknown and if a case fails it would
most likely not be at the normal web-failure point, but rather at a flute. Case failures and escaping gas at 50,000 psi is not a good thing
to have happen.
This gun is true power in your hands. Although it's not a sniper rifle but it s fairly accurate in 500 yards with quality ammu and good scope. it's a solid battle rifle that gives significant firepower. good for law enforcements.
"With a rifle behind every blade of grass, were gonna need alot of grass" lol love it, also i would like to have one of these, and can you review the PTR-32?
I’ve got this same exact rifle.I shot a S/A SuperMatch for years in DCM competition.
After that experience,
any semi-auto had to really impress me.
I have absolutely 0 negative opinions concerning this rifle.
Recoil is manageable,& accuracy is acceptable.
Recently I took it to a range and fired some hand-loaded Hornady 165gr.SST’s and they stacked on top of each other.
I used IMR4895 w/match primer.Yes,recoil is a slight push.
Trigger is a little Spongy!
OUTSTANDING BRO!
Iraqveteran8888
In Sweden on the AK4B (G3) we got an brass collector on the right side.
We called in my time in the Hemvärnet(National Guard) Elefant pungen (Elephant sac)
It worked but it could also cause malfuntions if the brass bounced back into the receiver.
who recommends i get this rifle
if you have money to buy 308 get this or a century c308 ptr makes most of the parts for it
+Steve Wall true. I got spooked from the C308. It's worth the extra 200 for the warranty from PTR and it's not a cetme, it's a Portuguese HK91 made in the States
Get the PTR. You won't regret it. I own two and wouldn't touch century arms stuff
Negative Alien Go for a PTR. I'm saving for one myself. Was gonna get a C308 but....I was swayed out of it. I want the paddle mag release anyways, and some of the PTRS have 'em.
Dont get the cetme get the ptr you will thank me later.
FWIW, the barrel is floated. The hand guard is held by a flange mounted to the cocking tube. A couple of nice modifications you might enjoy include a trigger job and paddle mag release by Bill Springfield.
is it just the mic or the trigger release makes hell of a noise?
Thats the trigger reset. I know it's loud!
Accurate, precise guns don't need excuses!
it's funny how guys will say the accuracy on this is acceptable but a mini 14 is shit
when you understand this is a stamped reciever. it makes sense. mini is also based of the m1 so no its not really accepted given designs and the 308 is about the same weight. thats just not right brotha.
really? a closed bolt system for both but one uses and op rod which is a multi directional force on one side of the bolt whereas the g3 is a linear force only set up with equal force either side. multi directional should be worse.
really? a closed bolt system for both but one uses and op rod which is a multi directional force on one side of the bolt whereas the g3 is a linear force only set up with equal force either side. multi directional should be worse.
Apples and Oranges. A Military combat weapon with a combat trigger =/= compare to a Mini 14 with a pencil barrel that never gets used for more than a few range trips or a hunt or three. When they say one is accurate and the other not they are in different context entirely.
UponGiantsShoulders Bill ruger designed it as a combat weapon
i have a old school ptr 91 f that was made with a hk g3 parts kit the heart beat of my gun was made in 62 and stamped hk it has the old ptr scorpion logo
Wish I was able to get even 1/4 the amount of range time you're able to :(
Great video, thanks for taking the time. The HK 91 is one of my all time favorites.
Gun porn :) But as a former G3 user, I really can understand it :D
Since the tooling for the PTR 91 originates from Portugal, you may be interested in its history there. Portugal was engaged in war against insurgents in its colonies from 1961 to 1974. When hostilities started, Portugal did not have an adequate weapon for the confrontation ahead, since the rebels (originally supported by the US) later by the communist block had superior small firearms, namely AK47. Due to the embargo imposed by the US and most of Portugal NATO's allies, the government had many difficulties in purchasing a new weapon for its troops. Finally, Germany agreed to sell the licence to produce the G3 to Portugal, which started its production. The weapon still serves the Portuguese army to this day (2018 will probably see it being replaced). Portugal produced over 500 000 of these weapons and served the army during the colonial wars in Angola, Mozambique, Guine Bissau, East Timor, etc. Hope this sheds a bit more light on the weapons history
I don't think there is a better .308 battle rifle out there for the money than the PTR 91 variants. Sure the M1A's and Scar's are great but they are 2-4x the pric.e
Ha ha! I like your opening quote. "Rifle behind every blade of grass? We're gonna need a lot of grass".
I like how you flinch every time you dry fire after you run out of ammo.
Who wouldn't with that caliber ?
Mark M Clearly you also have a flinching problem.
The fact that the bolt doesn't lock back is one reason why I'll never buy this rifle. It's so much easier to tell when you've run dry when you can feel the bolt lock back, or feel the lack of a reset in the trigger. That flinch is common for people who aren't used to rifles like this.
Having carries and used a L1a1 (FAL) through the 80s and familiar with the Bundeswhere G3 this is a rifle I would love to own. FALs and G3 /HK91 superior to modern 762Nato assault rifles, especially now optics are improved for use on them. Thanks for posting!
Hello lraqveteran8888, you and your crew create stunning videos! l wish l lived in the USA and was allowed to use weapons this way. Truly a dream for me. Greeting from cheese and clogs country !!
+henk van der pol yay holland!
+Kerry Cato. yay? what you mean? oooh?
you are gay
well kerry you smack me after you eat the peanuts out of my shit
Vary nice choose in optic VORTIC made in Middleton WISCONSIN 10 miles from my house. There is a reason the military uses them, vary clean and sharp images along with ability to cut throw vegetation, low light, distance.
SO BEAUTIFUL
Ohhhh.. that original G3-Rifle was my orginal personal weapon at Bundeswehr Basic Training back in 1991. :-) Greeeat Rifle!!
Cheaper than Dirt still has them for under $3!!
This gun I would have liked in the German army during my tenure. What a beautiful, precise and fearsome gun.
The sound of G3s, a MG 42 - MG 3 are really evil, are especially at night.
Lol if I were Arnold Schwarzenegger this would definitely be my shtf rifle.
I wouldn't have a rifle I would have a minigun
jamie perkins Lol
They also made the HK 93 in 5.56. Very nice weapon too.
i remember before sandy hoax you could buy these mags for around $1 each from centerfiresystems
What?!?....At least it's 6-8 dollars. Many AK, AR mags are more costly.
Cheaper than dirt had them for .97 cents lol I bought 50
Yup, I used to see them around $1, bought mine after I got the rifle at $2.99, and now they're $6.
I T&E'd an original HK91 some years ago, and personally I found it to be one of the hardest recoiling .308's I've ever shot. It almost seemed like it belted my shoulder twice...once when it fired and again when the action cycled. I shot it next to a Springfield Armory M1A and an FN-LAR and there was no comparison. It came in a distant 3rd. JMO of course.
Is that a american G3 copy? I had one in my time in the Bundeswehr a hell of a gun with a hell of a kick.
Fabi A. It's a little more than a copy see the company itself bought the machine tools from an H&K facility in Portugal when they stopped producing and got permission from H&K to produce the rifles on the original schematics with the PTR name.
It's more of a Clone than a Copy. It is built to g3 Spec, and can accept almost all Original Milsurp Parts.
The kind of rifle every blade of grass needs.
Add me to the pile of people who'd like to see load development for the PTR.
He's getting ROCKED by that thing! HK 91s are SUPER heavy too. I miss the older guy too on these vids.
too much upside down movement, i'd rather an FN FAL...
Good rifle though.
Bytheemperor ...did you ever shoot a fn fal?
I'd rather have a McLaren over a Corvette
Pretty neat watching the heat mirages fluctuate when he sends the rounds down range...
the only reason why i would live in the U.S. are guns, fast food and Old school Hip-Hop ..
ObamaandMerkelmakeAChild fast food will kill you. Hip hop is killing Western Civilization. Stick with guns
ObamaandMerkelmakeAChild Hip-hop is bullshit and fast food sucks.
in 2018, it's gun, old school hip hop and kale salads baby!
Didn't see anyone in the comments mentioning the slight error, the g3's should be a free float barrel, the front triple should not actually contact the barrel so the only point of contact is the trunion. Other then that small but important point great vid.
That "rifle behind every blade of grass" is extremely misquoted.
Thank you for your worthless input
Trustme722
Damn, are you upset, bitch nigga?
200 out of 300 mill americans own mutiple guns. Plus another 50 mill unregistered users. Yeah, stfu kid.
he was quoting a famous admiral-Yamomoto.. and yes the US is home to more than half of the worlds population of firearms
Trustme722
can you find me a record of Yamamoto saying that?
I'm currently building a cetme c... I've building AK's and made the switch.... Why haven't I gotten into one of these variants before. Amazing weapons
you keep calling this rifle 'unique'...its admittedly an 'american clone' of the HK91/G3 (with Portuguese machining)...HOW are they unique? They're G3's or HK91s for all intents and purposes...there is nothing 'one of a kind' or 'without equal' about them; at least not in anything you pointed out. HK designed them, they made them under their brand for decades...these are just made with HK machinery from Portugal.
BTW, every one of you that sits here and has ever shouted 'Buy American'...can quit whining about chinese made M305s by Norinco (if you managed to get one before the embargo), clones of the M14 made with purchased Springfield machinery (why were the guns made by these machines M14s when Springfield owned the equipment, but now that the chinese own the machinery, they aren't?), or any other 'clone' made with the original tools/dies of the original company. If its M14 equipment when Springfield made them, its M14 equipment when Norinco makes them (from machining purchased from Springfield) or in this case, HK91 machining purchased from an HK maker in Portugal now currently producing parts IN the USA. They just can't sell them as 'Brand X' unless its made by 'Brand X', so they call them 'Brand Y'. Thusly, if these are 'hk91s', then Norinco makes 'm14s' PERIOD, not 'clones of an m14'. Just as these are, (since the very tooling made HK91s) for all intents and purposes, HK91s.
I do have to say, still out of my price range, at least PTR isn't pricing these like they are H&Ks.
Nobody cares man. It's an awesome gun. That's all we care about.
i love people who get extremely literal watching gun videos. hes trying to give the gun a good review in his eyes and opinion. lets nit pick every sentence he said and dissect the meaning of every word and incluge synonyms that he might have meant and their meanings too. hell while we are at it lets just throw what he said out the window and make up our own interpretation of the review and make up something completely different then blame the channel for being unclear.
John Hamm
and short minded thinking like that is exactly why ppl get screwed over. The HK versions are awesome guns, what makes this company's version awesome? Is the machining still within HK's tolerances? Is PTR's QC up to snuff? Time will tell if its an awesome version of the HK91...but ONE day with a firearm is certainly no measure of its overall quality.
And FYI, THIS 'host' and this channell have been TELLING people for years what they should buy, what they should own and the PROBLEMS with many gun related issues. If you can't stand a little criticism of a channel that's making videos complaining about things...then 'Nobody cares man.'
Justin Taylor
I reference you to the second paragraph of my reply to John Hamm.
This 'host' and this channel have been, for years, complaining, educating, informing, opinionating and nit picking a number of firearms issues. They have also been reviewing, highlighting, warning and educating people on the proper use and handling (although they do occasionally break their own rules of gun safety) of firearms...where was YOUR voice when they were bitching about what ppl say, how they say it, how they do things, what they do....little 'butt hurt' cuz someone doesn't happen to idolize the RUclipsr that you do?
This very channel has videos labelled 'Gun Gripes' that very often COMPLAIN about how words are improperly used in the firearm industry or improper handling of firearms...somehow, this channel can do the very thing but I can't? What state do you live in 'comrade'? Cuz in North America, I'm entitled to my opinion just like you or this channel.
Fact is, he did keep calling the firearm 'unique'...but opinion doesn't make it unique, facts do. And he mentioned NOTHING that set this rifle apart from the millions of other g3/HK91's produced to date.
This channel and this 'host' have often claimed their 'expertise' while telling others 'don't try this at home'...but I've never seen their credentials, qualifications or anything to indicate they're more qualified to give advice on firearms then I am. And on occasion they do state 'facts' that are actually WRONG (not opinion, but facts). And sometimes their opinions are based on incorrect information, just like everyone one's is on occasion. To NOT question what he or the channel says would be no different then any youtube channel spewing out lies as facts...and we already have the NEWS networks to do that.
If you want to hold them in high regard and take every word they say as being 'gospel' you go right ahead...I for one, will watch (and I have been for years, I like the channel for the most part) and listen AND occasionally comment, but I will always continue to do so with a small about of sceptical caution. And when I think they've erred or embelished or gotten a little overly 'excited' and over stated a truth, I WILL bring it up. After all, this channel and its 'host' are the ones claiming we should listen to them, so they should be factual and honest. And they are for the most part, but again, nothing he said sets this rifle apart from any other varient. HOW is that 'unique' then?
MrRocque the funny thing is you spent alot of time and thought writing that novel of a reply. But sadly I do not care enough to read it. Tough luck champ.
Got mine out in the mountains a few days ago and man it's an amazing rifle! Very accurate and solid rifle! The weight definitely helps take down a lot of the recoil and the muzzle brake that is on mine helps a lot too. I highly recommend a PTR91 for anyone who wants a high quality battle rifle/target rifle/DMR that won't break the bank. I got mine for $1,500 with a bunch of extra mags and 500 rounds of ammo much of which is match grade. Definitely the best rifle I've ever owned!
HK9x series rifles have free floated barrels; there aren't any contact points on the barrel except at the trunnion, making the HK9x series quite unique among the world of military semi-automatic rifles. Especially when looking at the era these guns were produced in. Gotta love H&K.
The PTR is so reliable I've never had a misfire and I've put over 2000 rounds at least through mine