I'll stick with Elementor. I've built 2 projects with Gutenberg and Kadence as they fitted appropriately. However months after the projects were completed the client wanted more and Gutenberg couldn't cut it and had to rebuild completely again with Elementor and Crocoblock. So I'm sticking with what I know works
@@randbaldwin yeah...I get it...Is bloated. But Gutenberg is just not as flexible as I would like. Everytime I started something with Gutenberg I end up writing tons of CSS to make things look the way the client wants it to look. I rather stay with Elementor and deal with the bloat than suffer the process of building using Gutenberg. Full site editing looks promising though...but still....
I also agree with you. At this moment I updated my website with Elementor, I have never left it nor will I leave it, only to change the template to test what optimizations it brings and to leave the blog categories with the same template since I used the Elementor template for the posts before, Now, to improve the speed of the site, just leave the header and footer with Elementor Pro, Gutenberg is still a long way from replacing Elementor as such. This is my conclusion for now
I rebuilt our (web design) company website last year with WordPress FSE (2022 theme) without any extra plugins for building (plugins purely for security and cache/optimization). I wanted to see what was possible and now we're using it on about 30% of all client projects. If the client wants to manage their own website, we're using Elementor, because the block editor is still lacking on the admin side of things. If we're managing the site entirely, we use the core block builder with custom CSS classes/IDs for style rules generally. Our company has 12+ years of WP experience, having gone from coded sites, to early Elegant Theme designs, to Visual Composer, to SiteOrigin, to Elementor, and now slowly moving into Gutenberg/block.
Also, the main challenge with Gutenberg is this: For it to become a competitor to «proper» pagebuilders/sitebuilders it needs to have competitive functionality. To do that, it will grow and at some point bloat. If it doesn’t we will need to add loads of functionality through plugins that offer more complex functionality, which in itself will cause it’s own type of bloat, and complexity from having to add different plugins offering blocks of different types. Established pagebuilders on the other hand have started out bloated, but are working hard to slim down and trim the fat, and Gutenberg (and additional block suppliers) will have huge job catching up to the versatility and flexibility of for instance Elementor, especially on the user interface-side, where I feel Gutenberg is all over the place right now. I would love nothing more than having the flex of elementor built into gutenberg, but for that to happen, the way wordpress is being developed, it’ll take a loooong time before Gutenberg feels as «solid» as something like Elementors editor for building elements, headers, sidebars, and handling where they are visible etc etc
Hi. Thanks for the videos. Just subscribed. I've used free Elementor for a few years now, before Gutenberg in fact. I found it great for my two websites. I had additional Elementor-specific plugins, which were useful. However . . . I've been with my host since 2001 and a relationship has built up. One of my websites has crashed three times in the last three years. Twice I sorted it with my host's help, but the last time it was all down to them. They never charge, but I don't like taking the mickey. Their opinion was that every time Elementor or a specific plugin was causing the problems. They've wiped my sites for me and I went to Gutenberg only. It had moved on a lot from the early days. Following one of your videos, I got the Stackable plugin. That, at the moment, is enough for me. I'm rather pleased with my move. Building or updating a page is quicker, and I prefer the Gutenberg UI. Stackable is the cherry. On top of that, my host probably thinks I've changed it all because I didn't want to cause him too much bother, which is correct. But I don't want him to know just how much I prefer it. If it all goes wrong, I'll be back on here. In the meantime, it's back to sorting my pages out.
Very well presented. Choosing what fits the project is always the best advice because every situation is different. I would say that Gutenberg plus the theme and block extensions you mentioned like Kadence and Blocksy provide a very page builder like experience. I would say that as a post editor for writing engaging blog content, Gutenberg hands down is the best option. Plus, the future of the Gutenberg project becoming cross-platform and available on other CMSs like Drupal is an amazing future extension opportunity to be prepared for.
Hi Paul, Yes I moved over about a year ago to Guttenberg from the main player page builders, Beaver Builder and Elementor. It is the best move we have done. We are now using Kadence Theme and Blocks. Works really well for our set up and our clients. Great combination. PS: Love your channel.
@@alan-muscat Hi Alan, people like Word and Publisher and they find it easy and they understand it. So when you show clients how to click and build out a page. they love it. Yes, there are things lacking in Guttenberg, but Kadence has done, and is doing there best to make it easy for the end client to use.
As much as I would like to, I’ll have to stick with my arsenal of favorite page builders. I gave Blocksy pro and Srackable Pro a whirl and it took me twice as long to achieve the same design as in a page builder. I think once they figure out how to render in back-end to mimmic front, then maybe worth looking at again! I dedicated 1 complete week on burning my eyes up with their tuts and couldn’t achieve the same results as any page builder, even with the simplest build!
@@flowmaintenance as much as I may complain about Elementor, it delivers a more flexible and reliable design process. I rely on Divi as well. Have dived in with Bricks, but want to see a few more features before I make any major transitions!
@@flowmaintenance on the plus, though, Divi or Elegant Themes has been in the game longer and their LTD is hard to beat! Don’t get me wrong, I do love me some Elementor, but I think when Divi does and overhaul to their UI it will be hard to compete with! In addition, Divi can be used with the built-in theme or as a stand alone with another theme! Plus with their Gutenberg block, you still can design with Divi but display as a block! Both both are amazing cool products!
Since you’ve asked for comments, I would only ask you if you could do a tutorial on the latest WordPress 6.0, which obviously has Gutenberg as its default page-block builder. It’s been having it for quite a while now, but still, if you could share your expertise giving an example & comparing it with Elementor, it’d be great. If not, no worries.
Always thought-provoking Paul, thanks for that. I have tried Gutenberg and found it to be in my opinion, a lesser version of Divi. I agree to be able to understand both or many ways to find the right fit for each project. Most of my projects work well with Elementor pro, and only a variety of addons in addition to Lifterlms for courses.
You must use a plugin suhc as Spectra or Kadence Blocks otherwise the Gutenberg blocks are too limiting. In any case Gutenberg is the most efficient POST editing tool, while Page Builders do not make sense for the POST part.
Been thinking about it. But tried the new version of Bricks wow. The markup is amazing. And it’s 1.4 (!). Kind of a curve to learn if you don’t know the basics. But the result. Wow. Got a 98 score on Page speed insight without any cache.
As you say, having a variety of tools at your disposal is wonderful yet not locking yourself into one ecosystem may be the best approach, but for me, it's too confusing to be spread around on various building tools. I guess I'm too old school to have a bunch of vehicles to race around the same track. I'd rather master (or at least come close) one tool and make it dance. I really appreciate your analysis on this and opening the discussion. The input here is quite valuable.
I built my first WP website back in 2018 when Gutenberg was about to come out of beta. I decided back then to stick with Gutenberg and skip all the page builders because Gutenberg would be the future. However, I have to admit, that I completely underestimated how long it would take for Gutenberg to get to where it (finally) is today. So I had to endure a lot of frustration over the years. But today I would definitely not go for a page builder anymore. I am currently testing the beta version of Spectra (formerly Ultimate Addons for Gutenberg). From now on the question will no longer be "Gutenberg or Elementor" but "Gutenberg or Webflow". If you need a pixel-perfect design (i.e. for client work) I'd probably go for Webflow. For everything else, Gutenberg + 3rd party blocks will be more than enough. I just don't see much room for page builders anymore, especially if they lock you into pricey subscriptions as Elementor does.
I sat down for almost a whole day with Gutenberg to force myself to try and rebuild a site I have previously built using Elementor and astra, just to see how much was possible to get done, and boy was I disappointed, especially when doing anything more than basic low level stuff - The lack of fine controls over margins and padding and layout on some blocks, and the messy and inconsistent way that different blocks behave, and just the «floppyness» of Gutenberg in general was a real letdown - where elementor feels «tight» and you feel in control, Gutenberg just feels like Jello taped together with rubber bands, the interface lacks definition and determination somehow, it’s difficult to explain but it doesn’t feel like I’m in control the same way that Elementor feels. Also, the amount of/lack of solid layout options, and randomness of what the different offerings on blocks have in terms of options etc is really all over the place - not very impressed and it feels like this shouldn’t have been released for at least another year :/
I cant think of a single reason to use Gutenberg besides for speed. But I can speed up elementor well enough with wp rocket and elementor toolkit so I would never consider using gutenturd
Cwickly + GB looks interesting. Which one do you think is a better pair though, Cwickly + GB or Jetengine Pro + GB for building dynamic membership sites?
I'm currently using elementor pro and will continue to do so for a while (the next year) I just wish they'd focus on getting flex box into production. I keep trying gutenberg and related tools but it's still way too basic. I can get good speed results using EP with flex box so i'd rather be efficient with one comprehensive tool than use bits and bobs of many and keep having to learn new systems. You're right though, keep learning and don't limit to one stack 👍
I'm in the process of building a new version of my own main website, and I chose to use Gutenberg with Greenshift and Toolset for this. It's just really advanced and offers things like flexbox, CSS grid, custom query loops, popup / sliding panel's, horizontal scroll on mobile instead of stacking them under each other, embedding blocks in other blocks (for example row in row, or add any block to a tab) etcetera. While I love working with Divi, it just doesn't offer those features, and won't offer them for probably at least 2 years either. And Greenshift also offers a lot of the things I love in Divi, like global blocks and presets.
For those of you talking about Elementor having Bloat, it's a problem that won't exist in a couple of months as features like containers will cut off a ton of Bloat from most builds. Elementor as much I like the tool is still limited in many ways though, if plugins like JetEngine or Ele Custom Skins Pro didn't exist, working with Elementor would have been hell.
Why did Gutenberg insist on reinventing the wheel by displaying his "layers" controller on the left and not the right?? The industry standard is on the right, as it is in Elmentor, Photoshop, Illustrator and other builders. I wonder if developers really understand UX
Thnx, good question and food for thoughts, aswell as the answers in the comments. I'm sticking with Elementor for now, but simple sites will have gutenburg with blocksy
Hi Paul, Very interesting video and dissertation. I’m seriously thinking about moving from Elementor Page Builder to Gutenberg, seeing as more and more Gutenberg has great design possibilities like Elementor or others and especially for speed and load issues. They like solutions like Kadence Blocks or Stackable or Genesis Blocks, etc. or the ones you just showed us in this video. My question is: What is the best way to integrate with the Crocoblock suite? (because I use it a lot and I'm in love with Crocoblock). Or do you think that with Crocoblok alone I already have enough to work with Gutenberg? I say this to set up Layouts (sections, columns, etc.) Thanks
Trying out GPpro, GBpro and WP Gridbuilder. Taking a lot of effort and I don’t feel as in control. Not all blocks have enough settings. Overall it seems inconsistent. Not an enjoyable experience, hopefully that is down to unfamiliarity. Main reason for trying was that lots of tools I need mostly work with gutenturd whereas work is still needed to integrate them with Bricks.
A futuro Gutenberg va a ser lo mejor, sin duda. Pero hoy en día, está muy por detrás de los builders a mi parecer. Falta mucho trabajo, pero de acá a 2 años probablemente la realidad sea otra. Creo que es un buen momento para gente como yo para empezar a ver Gutenberg. El resto, el tiempo lo dirá.
Well once the next release of WP comes out which should see the second stage of FSE implemented, that might be the point at which I look at Gutenberg again.
Hey there. I use Gutenberg for now and like it very much. First, when I activated it, it seems like I will never get used to it. But by the time I liked it even more than other tools on WordPress. So I can definitely continue operating with Gutenberg.
The only reason I never bought Croco Blocks was because they said it works alongside Elementor and I felt I would be investing in an Elementor only support tool. Wish I had known earlier on that they would move away from Elementor, it was the only reason why I never bought into their product. Am so glad you made mention of Cwickly last year, just a pity I only grabbed 1 deal and not 3.
I see my WordPress future in Cwicly. It's a tool I was dreaming about for years and fortunately the team behind it is just as great. It really has the potential evolving to one of the big players inside the WP ecosystem. It's relatively new, so nobody knows what's gonna happen, but I wish them to succeed just because they would deserve it. Looking forward to more Cwicly content on this channel. Cheers!
Thanks Paul. Interesting video. Time to take a closer look at Gutenberg again. One thought... if we start looking at a wide range of tools then we risk becoming a 'Jack of all trades, master of none'. I think that we'd serve our clients better and give them the expertise they need by keeping focused on a smaller set of tools.
I'm waiting for the right time to switch over. Need the optimal tool set to switch over to first. I hope Crocoblock continue to adapt to Gutenberg functionality.
I like Gutenberg, been using spectra with astra theme in it. I mostly build ecommerce sites and so far its been working great. Stealing some prebuild sections here and there from spectra but i like the new look it gives to sites. I do however miss the fancy bits of elementor like the animations and fancy header animations ect but for the purposes of what my niche is it works just fine. Loads nice and fast too. I must agree however, that it does take a bit longer to build vs elementor but im sure i will get better and faster as i get more familiar with the block builder. Theres just not alot of options to customise each individual devices like mobile, tablet, pc. Fingers crossed for more features hopefully not too far in the future.
Joined a team that is using Elementor and it is painfully slow. I know there are ways to optimize it but a) I don't want to break other functionality and b) why should I have to tune a builder in staging when all I want to do is make relatively minor changes in production? For my own projects I take time and care to choose an appropriate theme -- for commerce clients the theme has to present Woocommerce to their satisfaction -- then use GB and the Markdown module from the wp-toolbelt plugin.
I don't use builders anymore since Gutenberg was launched. Now I use Blocksy and Generatepress. The best 2 themes to take advantage of Gutenberg blocks
Thanks Paul. The real issue is the speed issues caused by the excesses of page builders. it's very difficult to create sites that work well with all connections ,browsers and viewport around the world using page builders in my humble experience. Since Google core vitals is the standard why don't designers work to develop platforms that address this issue?
That whole thing is IMO BS. Ive built 2 identical sites one with Elementor and one with Gutenberg. Both SEO optimized the exact same. Both ranked identical for 3 months I left them up during my initial test. Sorry to say the added bloat didnt make a difference regarding SEO. Even now with the updated core my test shows the same results.
I never did the page builder thing. I went straight from coding custom templates with Genesis to Gutenberg + Genesis. The early days of Gutenberg were frustrating but I persevered, and used it pretty much for content editing only. With recent advances in Gutenberg I moved to Blocksy Pro + Stackable Pro + any project specific tools and I can build pretty much anything. The end result is a powerful future proof stack with far superior performance than any traditional page builder. The WP future is looking bright, time to embrace it.
This is where I'm trying to get to. I'm trying to get away from the dependence on Elementor and having to pay a annual fee. Are the tools you use subscription based? I have a lifetime licence for the Crocoblock suite; would this replace any of the tools you use? I'm currently working hard to learn full site editing and may even try to create my own themes. I have an aversion to using themes that limit me. That was why I started with Elementor and the Hello theme. I could design what I liked. That said the 'elements' cause the site to look like most others.
@@alan-muscat both Blocksy and Stackable have free and pro versions. Even the free versions have a lot to offer. I use the pro versions as they add a lot of value to my projects. I’ve never used Crocoblock, but if all of the plugins/widgets are available for Gutenberg and FSE, I think you’ll have a bunch of the Blocksy/Stackable features covered. Best to do a side-by-side comparison to really see how they stack up. To be honest though, if you learn FSE and pair it with your preferred Gutenberg tools, you don’t need a page builder.
It will all boil down to the objectives or client requirements.. if you need speed and performance, Gutenberg it is.. for design and functionalities, it’s elementor, crocoblock, and few add-ons.. choosing the technology to use depends heavily on the use case..
I have tried Gutenberg several times, even bought LTDs of stackable and co, but it's just not fun to work with... maybe i'll do it in the future but i really enjoy working with Elementor pro with custom width on a Litespeed server.
I'm using Ele Pro + ACF + Hello + Classic Editor for big and small projects. I would like to like Gutenberg, I really do... But I don't. So I am training a lot in Bricks, which I think can be a good partner for ACF + Gutenberg in the near future.
Custom design + build w/ ACF C’mon. This is the way. Easy for clients to manage content and keep the integrity of the design and brand intact. Plus it keeps the code base lightweight and website maintenance easy. No to page builders or block editors. Which begs the question, besides a nice UI, is it time we start moving away from WordPress?
@@alan-muscat I think it means create a custom template "by hand", using Html5, Css and Js. Then you use ACF for the fields in the back end. I've done it and is a lot of work. You have full control of your website, yes...but man is a lot of work. x10 than do the same with Elementor. I think I would only do that if it is an specific client requirement and strictly charging by the hour. Then, yes...I would spend 3 weeks doing the work of 3 days. Obviously my HTML/CSS/JS skills are not that great but still.......
That's what I've been doing so far. I've just been waiting for the Gutenberg project to evolve into something decent. But it is taking way too long. I've been looking around at alternatives like Directus and Ghost, but WordPress is a hard stack to replace easily.
My main site is still on Elementor Pro. I started to look at using one of the block builders but found it to be a huge task to convert back. Now starting my second small site I am using Kadence (free) which is fine. I am confused though as all the add on blocks don't they add weight to code just as Elementor does?
The nature of Page Builder is loading everything even before you`re starting . That because they didnt know for sure which elements/widget you`ll use when designing a page . There are several tricks to optimize it . But mostly that will happen after your page already finished or saved TBH those depend on how the developer build the PB plugins at first place. . Toolslike OXYGEN arguably have better architecture to combat those issues than Elementor or DIvi . Thing to note Better architecture doesnt mean better designing experiences but more about better approaches
These big develoments have a shelf life. They develop what ever is the new hotness and move on to the next one. Yet site builders / web designs keep eating it up like its candy. How many page builders have you seen come and go? I stop counting a while ago and just do custom development; much easier with better results.
Elementor Pro and Crocoblock...it does 99% of what any client will ever ask of me, now and in the future... by the time Gutenberg or any other theme/page builder catches up, they will be bloated as well I suspect. And in that time Ele/Croco will have figured out how to reduce their code :)
I really like your videos, you teach very well, could you do a complete crocoblock tutorial with gutenberg? Right now I'm using blocksy with Elementor and the idea is to gradually change to Gutenberg, I'm still having a hard time handling Gutenberg, that's why I haven't made the full transition, but I have it in my plans
Oxygen is a very different beast to the other 2. Blocksy Pro is great but lacks it's own set of blocks (for now at least). GP/BG looks a lot more basic until you start to get your head around just how powerful it actually is. The 1.5 release of GB will have full loop editing functionality as well as a query builder. That opens up a lot of really powerful options.
I'm loving GeneratePress & GenerateBlcoks Pro and have been using it for a while now with solid results. There are a couple of videos on the channel about it including one from yesterday covering the new features in the alpha build of the forthcoming v1.7.
I think for the full transition will have to wait like a year, for full support of all you can do with elmentor (in addition elementor is adding cool features like flex, yes is really old in css but new in elementor), but yeah elementor is medium heavy for that 90 or more on google speed test I think (not using CDN)
We are still waiting for more evolution to happen. WordPress is getting there but more still needs to be done by WordPress and external plugins before it's ready for us to switch. I expect us to dip our toes early next year but for now, we are going to make money knowing what works for us.
Hello Paul long time seeing you ! What is best free gutenburg blocks and fastet theme for gutenberg? ( I need pop up canvas menu , any free blocks or free theme for gutenberg can do that?
This is blowing my mind. I thought I was the outlier, continuing on with Elementor. All the industry pundits are saying "Gutenberg is the future of Wordpress". They may be right.... some year. But not now.....not until Automattic does some serious testing and comes up with a truly LOGICAL & USABLE interface. It's just too clumsy for me to use at this point. I'll stick with Elementor and wait for the new container features to mature. I'm not going to redo the sites I have already done, no matter what (unless the client pays, of course). I do agree Gutenberg is a better "post builder". But that's about it at this point.
@@billgrey Seems obv from the comments section that we are being gaslighted, by people who cannot only convincingly lie about their product to get people to adopt it, but can't build an excuse of a page builder either.
Gutenberg is my favorite page builder but it’s pain to use. I want to create my own themes but it has no tools like elementor theme builder. I am tired of page builders and their ad-ons plus lots of plugin to get everything you need. Some page builders are so slow. I have realized that Gutenberg is very fast like a cheetah. I hope it get well developed so there is more ease of use. Btw does anyone knows any flexible Gutenberg theme as an alternative to hello theme for elementor?
I’ve used Divi for many projects and now as of recent have been wanting to move away from it. For a music site that’ll not only showcase music but be able to purchase merch and music, what would you or anyone here recommend using?
Excellent discussion piece there mate... I think it is time to embrace Gutenterd, but It's a pile of poop natively, so you need the 3rd party tools to make it a viable tool. Page builders will be around for a long time to come. I have a number of projects to build (or rebuild), and I'm torn on which way to go. I'm currently dabbling with Blocksy Pro and Stackable Pro, so I need you to make some more tutorials ASAP! 🤣
Right now my favorite tool is a Makita 18v reciprocating hammer drill. However it doesn't work well for creating websites. I'm considering switching to Guttenburg block based tools but the verdict is still out on how long they hold a charge?
for how i used WP, i prefer Elementor Pro every day and twice on Sunday. bloat? i rarely need more than 5-8 plugins and my page speed results are typically 90%+... not sure where the problem lies in that? obviously need Gutenberg in some instances but not a fan of it's clunky interface.
Gutenberg and Elementor does the same thing - JavaScript HTML/CSS DOM manipulation on the backend. Unlike Block editor (mistakenly called Gutenberg, which is the entire WP concept) Elementor generate bloated excessive HTML, therefor overload browser parser and mess clear HTML semantic. Block editor (Gutenberg) is the right choice.
Gutenberg is not a competitor, it must be seen as a starting point, a solid foundation. It is up to the page builders to build on it. Currently, we have so many solutions that are unable to communicate with each other. If you choose a page builder, you're stuck with it. Whether or not the Gutenberg debate is better than builder pages is a bogus debate.
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For me, Gutenberg is quite hopeless, it brings more messy to web development.
Making a website with WordPress and a site builder is not web development, and it doesn't make you a web developer. Same for colouring a colouring book, doesn't make you an artist, and you are not making art. People page builders, so they don't have to do any heavy work. Gutenberg is still new, and it has a lot of catching up to do. Experienced developers have no problem switching over, it's the people that don't actually know how to develop that are going to struggle with it or stay with their 3rd party page builder.
I’m a freelancer moving away from elementor. Haven’t been happy with it, then they really increased the prices. Not worth what they think of themselves. Excited about being away from the bloat.
Interestingly enough, I paid for a lifetime license for GeneratePress back in 2015 for $39.95 for unlimited sites when i was working on a project for a client not really knowing if I'd ever use it for any other sites. I just thought $40 for a lifetime license for unlimited sites was a good deal. I didn't use it for any other sites, but I went ahead and kept the lifetime license. Who knew that seven years later an investment I made back in 2015 would prove to net me such a boon now that I've determined that I need to stop avoiding Gutenberg like it's the plague. 🙂🙂
These comments are highlighting an issue within the industry. Build based on what the client needs... it's that simple.... "WHAT THE CLIENT NEEDS" If you set expectations with the client that you'll be using a different builder to accomplish "this and that for these reasons" you can charge more for the learning curve ;) If you're desperate to get clients... include the learning curve into a cheaper price. ALWAYS under sell and over deliver... if you can't deliver with what you know, you don't work with that client. The more tools you have in your tool belt, the more money you can make. It's really not that difficult to understand, and if it is.... "google and youtube". ;)
I'm mostly using elementor atm, i want to move away since gutenberg, like it or not, is here to stay. Even if i'm finding it difficult to have a clear "roadmap" on how to do that, what to study, skill etc etc.
There is nothing wrong with the bloated look of Elementor's code. The browser doesn't care: you can easily check this with simple JS code to generate nesting over 100K containers. But the Gutenberg interface can be called bloated: it's suitable for arranging paragraphs and pictures, but when it was overloaded with page builder functionality, working with it became a huge effort.
Good point. Gutenberg is fast and not-bloated now because it can only do a fraction of what page builders/theme builders like Elementor can do. It's not an apples to apples comparison. Once Gutenberg gets loaded down with comparable features it will have comparable bloat.
I’m using JetEngine for the first time, and I thought Elementor Pro was needed for that. But after looking at the code it produces every new page / functionality I’m trying to build with Gutenberg first. It’s a lot of trial and error for me - being new to these tools. Normally I would build sites from the ground up with html - css - JavaScript etc. I really don’t like to enter these attributes every time or doing copy and paste style every time. It’s very tedious.
Oh yeah, well if you're building with html and css, any kind of CMS would feel pretty clumsy. But it depends what kind of sites you build. Both have their place.
Design is a process and it depends on the look and the feeling of those who do it to please those who see and use it (UX). We are so eager for "technological novelties" as opposed to "innovations" when our focus is on design with its elements and functions. Looking for facilities and innovations, we are intoxicating and becoming dependent on technologies. To have a Ferrari doesn't turn you into a driver, sometimes, having some knowledge of HTML and CSS can be very useful too. These constructors are tools and we should have a friendly relationship with them. It is good to know them, but we cannot cancel our cognition and our imagination. We are human beings and we have feelings just like our users do. It is important to be aware and know when to detoxify technologies and make our design more organic, humanized, and functional.
If I understand you correctly you use Gutenberg, then install lots and lots of plugins to get the functionality of a page builder. In effect adding all the bloat again. I tried a week or two ago to use Gutenberg and I could not get it to work the way I needed it. Even after watching several tutorial. Personally I use DIVI. They intelligently only load the css that page needs rather then all css from the builder and I constantly manage to get page speeds of 95%, So why would I use Gutenberg when I get all the features and the speed in a page builder. I must agree that my lack of knowledge is the reason I could not get my desired result in Gutenberg rather then Gutenberg, but it just shows that its still no where near as user friendly as the page builders.
I use WP rocket along with elementor. Gutenberg is way behind when it comes to ease of use. Gutenberg might be good for writing blogs but not for creating beautiful pages.
No themes and no Gutenberg, stick to my builders and starter theme. Until WordPress stops developing its tools at such a slow pace and with a different approach like if " WordPress is just for blogs", builders will continue to be as successful as they are.
I use Oxygen since day 1. Its far far far far far superior than Gutenberg, FSE, and others page builders. Is not a theme is a bespoke advanced website builder that has no limits. My 2 cents.
I am very concerned about the convergence of Wordpress with built in page builder and my concern page builders like Elementor could break in future versions. I think Automattic wants to kill third party pagebuilder. I have been evaluating Gutenberg with Kadence blocks and I really don’t like it. I have been using Wordpress since it’s first version and I have been evaluating Webflow as an alternative solution. It really delivers on design features but lacks the cms capabilities of Wordpress. I agree to be flexible and not lock in to one way of working.
I build sites for SMB's then hand them over to my clients and encourage them to keep up the content flow. Everytime we hand over the content flow stops. Why? Gutenberg, my clients regardless of training cannot get their heads around it. Elementor no problem. Just me, I really don't like Gutenberg. I find it limiting. Best of luck to others that enjoy it... I just think there is nil to nothing intuitive about he interface.
Id really love it if wordpress would stop trying to force everyone to go their way and away from stuff like elementor. I love elementor and crocoblock and wordpress isnt going to be like that. I can make dynamic website and it heavy but still get an A 99/100 score in page speed after optimization and litespeed caching. Like I wish we could change the admin area to be more customizable but what i saw they were doing with the admin area kinda freaks me out because idk if I or my clients will like it.
I do believe that WP company policy . it`s already decided long time ago . Now the real question is what PB developer like Elementor will do ? Did they will have complete solution for their client/plugin buyer without reliance with WP ? Surprisingly Brizy already have solution for that problem via their Brizy cloud
I'll stick with Elementor. I've built 2 projects with Gutenberg and Kadence as they fitted appropriately. However months after the projects were completed the client wanted more and Gutenberg couldn't cut it and had to rebuild completely again with Elementor and Crocoblock. So I'm sticking with what I know works
@Chris S, I am with you
If they can make Gutenberg as easy to use as Elementor, I'll consider it. Until then, the bloat from elementor is worth it...
@@randbaldwin yeah...I get it...Is bloated. But Gutenberg is just not as flexible as I would like. Everytime I started something with Gutenberg I end up writing tons of CSS to make things look the way the client wants it to look. I rather stay with Elementor and deal with the bloat than suffer the process of building using Gutenberg. Full site editing looks promising though...but still....
The best combination 👌🏻💪🏻
I also agree with you. At this moment I updated my website with Elementor, I have never left it nor will I leave it, only to change the template to test what optimizations it brings and to leave the blog categories with the same template since I used the Elementor template for the posts before, Now, to improve the speed of the site, just leave the header and footer with Elementor Pro, Gutenberg is still a long way from replacing Elementor as such. This is my conclusion for now
I rebuilt our (web design) company website last year with WordPress FSE (2022 theme) without any extra plugins for building (plugins purely for security and cache/optimization). I wanted to see what was possible and now we're using it on about 30% of all client projects. If the client wants to manage their own website, we're using Elementor, because the block editor is still lacking on the admin side of things. If we're managing the site entirely, we use the core block builder with custom CSS classes/IDs for style rules generally.
Our company has 12+ years of WP experience, having gone from coded sites, to early Elegant Theme designs, to Visual Composer, to SiteOrigin, to Elementor, and now slowly moving into Gutenberg/block.
Also, the main challenge with Gutenberg is this: For it to become a competitor to «proper» pagebuilders/sitebuilders it needs to have competitive functionality. To do that, it will grow and at some point bloat. If it doesn’t we will need to add loads of functionality through plugins that offer more complex functionality, which in itself will cause it’s own type of bloat, and complexity from having to add different plugins offering blocks of different types. Established pagebuilders on the other hand have started out bloated, but are working hard to slim down and trim the fat, and Gutenberg (and additional block suppliers) will have huge job catching up to the versatility and flexibility of for instance Elementor, especially on the user interface-side, where I feel Gutenberg is all over the place right now. I would love nothing more than having the flex of elementor built into gutenberg, but for that to happen, the way wordpress is being developed, it’ll take a loooong time before Gutenberg feels as «solid» as something like Elementors editor for building elements, headers, sidebars, and handling where they are visible etc etc
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Hi. Thanks for the videos. Just subscribed.
I've used free Elementor for a few years now, before Gutenberg in fact. I found it great for my two websites. I had additional Elementor-specific plugins, which were useful. However . . .
I've been with my host since 2001 and a relationship has built up. One of my websites has crashed three times in the last three years. Twice I sorted it with my host's help, but the last time it was all down to them. They never charge, but I don't like taking the mickey. Their opinion was that every time Elementor or a specific plugin was causing the problems. They've wiped my sites for me and I went to Gutenberg only.
It had moved on a lot from the early days. Following one of your videos, I got the Stackable plugin. That, at the moment, is enough for me.
I'm rather pleased with my move. Building or updating a page is quicker, and I prefer the Gutenberg UI. Stackable is the cherry.
On top of that, my host probably thinks I've changed it all because I didn't want to cause him too much bother, which is correct. But I don't want him to know just how much I prefer it.
If it all goes wrong, I'll be back on here. In the meantime, it's back to sorting my pages out.
Very well presented. Choosing what fits the project is always the best advice because every situation is different. I would say that Gutenberg plus the theme and block extensions you mentioned like Kadence and Blocksy provide a very page builder like experience.
I would say that as a post editor for writing engaging blog content, Gutenberg hands down is the best option.
Plus, the future of the Gutenberg project becoming cross-platform and available on other CMSs like Drupal is an amazing future extension opportunity to be prepared for.
Hi Paul, Yes I moved over about a year ago to Guttenberg from the main player page builders, Beaver Builder and Elementor. It is the best move we have done. We are now using Kadence Theme and Blocks. Works really well for our set up and our clients. Great combination. PS: Love your channel.
Why does it work better for your clients?
@@alan-muscat Hi Alan, people like Word and Publisher and they find it easy and they understand it. So when you show clients how to click and build out a page. they love it. Yes, there are things lacking in Guttenberg, but Kadence has done, and is doing there best to make it easy for the end client to use.
As much as I would like to, I’ll have to stick with my arsenal of favorite page builders.
I gave Blocksy pro and Srackable Pro a whirl and it took me twice as long to achieve the same design as in a page builder.
I think once they figure out how to render in back-end to mimmic front, then maybe worth looking at again!
I dedicated 1 complete week on burning my eyes up with their tuts and couldn’t achieve the same results as any page builder, even with the simplest build!
This is really funny.. I'm considering learning any new stack I see working well but Elementor is definitely my Forte right now
@@flowmaintenance as much as I may complain about Elementor, it delivers a more flexible and reliable design process. I rely on Divi as well. Have dived in with Bricks, but want to see a few more features before I make any major transitions!
@@flowmaintenance on the plus, though, Divi or Elegant Themes has been in the game longer and their LTD is hard to beat!
Don’t get me wrong, I do love me some Elementor, but I think when Divi does and overhaul to their UI it will be hard to compete with! In addition, Divi can be used with the built-in theme or as a stand alone with another theme! Plus with their Gutenberg block, you still can design with Divi but display as a block! Both both are amazing cool products!
Since you’ve asked for comments, I would only ask you if you could do a tutorial on the latest WordPress 6.0, which obviously has Gutenberg as its default page-block builder. It’s been having it for quite a while now, but still, if you could share your expertise giving an example & comparing it with Elementor, it’d be great. If not, no worries.
Very informative. Not moved away from Elementor but will look at the options and you gave some great tips.
Always thought-provoking Paul, thanks for that. I have tried Gutenberg and found it to be in my opinion, a lesser version of Divi. I agree to be able to understand both or many ways to find the right fit for each project. Most of my projects work well with Elementor pro, and only a variety of addons in addition to Lifterlms for courses.
You must use a plugin suhc as Spectra or Kadence Blocks otherwise the Gutenberg blocks are too limiting. In any case Gutenberg is the most efficient POST editing tool, while Page Builders do not make sense for the POST part.
So they should be separate? Keep clients away from the page builder.
Amen brother, I typically build in elementor and teach clients how to use gutenberg for blog post.
@@CutlassCraft and if they want to edit page content?
@@alan-muscat that’s what they pay me for 😂
Been thinking about it. But tried the new version of Bricks wow. The markup is amazing. And it’s 1.4 (!). Kind of a curve to learn if you don’t know the basics. But the result. Wow. Got a 98 score on Page speed insight without any cache.
As you say, having a variety of tools at your disposal is wonderful yet not locking yourself into one ecosystem may be the best approach, but for me, it's too confusing to be spread around on various building tools. I guess I'm too old school to have a bunch of vehicles to race around the same track. I'd rather master (or at least come close) one tool and make it dance.
I really appreciate your analysis on this and opening the discussion. The input here is quite valuable.
I built my first WP website back in 2018 when Gutenberg was about to come out of beta. I decided back then to stick with Gutenberg and skip all the page builders because Gutenberg would be the future. However, I have to admit, that I completely underestimated how long it would take for Gutenberg to get to where it (finally) is today. So I had to endure a lot of frustration over the years. But today I would definitely not go for a page builder anymore. I am currently testing the beta version of Spectra (formerly Ultimate Addons for Gutenberg). From now on the question will no longer be "Gutenberg or Elementor" but "Gutenberg or Webflow". If you need a pixel-perfect design (i.e. for client work) I'd probably go for Webflow. For everything else, Gutenberg + 3rd party blocks will be more than enough. I just don't see much room for page builders anymore, especially if they lock you into pricey subscriptions as Elementor does.
I sat down for almost a whole day with Gutenberg to force myself to try and rebuild a site I have previously built using Elementor and astra, just to see how much was possible to get done, and boy was I disappointed, especially when doing anything more than basic low level stuff - The lack of fine controls over margins and padding and layout on some blocks, and the messy and inconsistent way that different blocks behave, and just the «floppyness» of Gutenberg in general was a real letdown - where elementor feels «tight» and you feel in control, Gutenberg just feels like Jello taped together with rubber bands, the interface lacks definition and determination somehow, it’s difficult to explain but it doesn’t feel like I’m in control the same way that Elementor feels. Also, the amount of/lack of solid layout options, and randomness of what the different offerings on blocks have in terms of options etc is really all over the place - not very impressed and it feels like this shouldn’t have been released for at least another year :/
It’s pain to use. But I love it. It’s fast and helps to stop relying on other builders. I am hoping it’s developed farther to be easy to use.
I cant think of a single reason to use Gutenberg besides for speed. But I can speed up elementor well enough with wp rocket and elementor toolkit so I would never consider using gutenturd
@@boxoffisa I love the idea and intention, but right now the execution is horrid :/
@@AndreSjoberg yeah. It’s a nightmare to use for now. Even with some blocks it’s still heavy backend. I hope the developers do the necessity.
Hey Paul, can you make a series of videos on CWICLY please? How to make template files such as header, footer.. etc..
Thank you
Cwickly + GB looks interesting. Which one do you think is a better pair though, Cwickly + GB or Jetengine Pro + GB for building dynamic membership sites?
I'm currently using elementor pro and will continue to do so for a while (the next year) I just wish they'd focus on getting flex box into production. I keep trying gutenberg and related tools but it's still way too basic. I can get good speed results using EP with flex box so i'd rather be efficient with one comprehensive tool than use bits and bobs of many and keep having to learn new systems.
You're right though, keep learning and don't limit to one stack 👍
I'm also trying to be patient for Elementor to finalize the new Flexbox container system. After all the waiting, it better be stable!
I'm in the process of building a new version of my own main website, and I chose to use Gutenberg with Greenshift and Toolset for this. It's just really advanced and offers things like flexbox, CSS grid, custom query loops, popup / sliding panel's, horizontal scroll on mobile instead of stacking them under each other, embedding blocks in other blocks (for example row in row, or add any block to a tab) etcetera.
While I love working with Divi, it just doesn't offer those features, and won't offer them for probably at least 2 years either. And Greenshift also offers a lot of the things I love in Divi, like global blocks and presets.
For those of you talking about Elementor having Bloat, it's a problem that won't exist in a couple of months as features like containers will cut off a ton of Bloat from most builds.
Elementor as much I like the tool is still limited in many ways though, if plugins like JetEngine or Ele Custom Skins Pro didn't exist, working with Elementor would have been hell.
Blocksy with kadence using gutenberg works for me just fine, jetengine is a great addon too.
Why did Gutenberg insist on reinventing the wheel by displaying his "layers" controller on the left and not the right?? The industry standard is on the right, as it is in Elmentor, Photoshop, Illustrator and other builders. I wonder if developers really understand UX
Thnx, good question and food for thoughts, aswell as the answers in the comments.
I'm sticking with Elementor for now, but simple sites will have gutenburg with blocksy
Hi Paul,
Very interesting video and dissertation.
I’m seriously thinking about moving from Elementor Page Builder to Gutenberg, seeing as more and more Gutenberg has great design possibilities like Elementor or others and especially for speed and load issues.
They like solutions like Kadence Blocks or Stackable or Genesis Blocks, etc. or the ones you just showed us in this video.
My question is: What is the best way to integrate with the Crocoblock suite? (because I use it a lot and I'm in love with Crocoblock). Or do you think that with Crocoblok alone I already have enough to work with Gutenberg?
I say this to set up Layouts (sections, columns, etc.)
Thanks
Trying out GPpro, GBpro and WP Gridbuilder. Taking a lot of effort and I don’t feel as in control. Not all blocks have enough settings. Overall it seems inconsistent. Not an enjoyable experience, hopefully that is down to unfamiliarity. Main reason for trying was that lots of tools I need mostly work with gutenturd whereas work is still needed to integrate them with Bricks.
If you want to make your own blocks I have used ACF or Wicked Block Builder. It's nice but to build complex queries I still write lots of custom code.
I have and am mainly using croco and blocksy....I wonder why 😇, thanks Paul
A futuro Gutenberg va a ser lo mejor, sin duda. Pero hoy en día, está muy por detrás de los builders a mi parecer. Falta mucho trabajo, pero de acá a 2 años probablemente la realidad sea otra. Creo que es un buen momento para gente como yo para empezar a ver Gutenberg. El resto, el tiempo lo dirá.
Well once the next release of WP comes out which should see the second stage of FSE implemented, that might be the point at which I look at Gutenberg again.
Hey there. I use Gutenberg for now and like it very much. First, when I activated it, it seems like I will never get used to it. But by the time I liked it even more than other tools on WordPress. So I can definitely continue operating with Gutenberg.
The only reason I never bought Croco Blocks was because they said it works alongside Elementor and I felt I would be investing in an Elementor only support tool. Wish I had known earlier on that they would move away from Elementor, it was the only reason why I never bought into their product. Am so glad you made mention of Cwickly last year, just a pity I only grabbed 1 deal and not 3.
I see my WordPress future in Cwicly. It's a tool I was dreaming about for years and fortunately the team behind it is just as great. It really has the potential evolving to one of the big players inside the WP ecosystem. It's relatively new, so nobody knows what's gonna happen, but I wish them to succeed just because they would deserve it. Looking forward to more Cwicly content on this channel. Cheers!
Thanks Paul. Interesting video. Time to take a closer look at Gutenberg again.
One thought... if we start looking at a wide range of tools then we risk becoming a 'Jack of all trades, master of none'.
I think that we'd serve our clients better and give them the expertise they need by keeping focused on a smaller set of tools.
Don't bother, you're just gonna be disappointed
I agree. You just can't learn all the tools; no one has that much time.
I'm waiting for the right time to switch over. Need the optimal tool set to switch over to first.
I hope Crocoblock continue to adapt to Gutenberg functionality.
I'd ay they are. Looking at the list of Gutenberg enabled plugins, it's certainly grown since the last time I sked this question. :)
I like Gutenberg, been using spectra with astra theme in it. I mostly build ecommerce sites and so far its been working great. Stealing some prebuild sections here and there from spectra but i like the new look it gives to sites.
I do however miss the fancy bits of elementor like the animations and fancy header animations ect but for the purposes of what my niche is it works just fine. Loads nice and fast too.
I must agree however, that it does take a bit longer to build vs elementor but im sure i will get better and faster as i get more familiar with the block builder.
Theres just not alot of options to customise each individual devices like mobile, tablet, pc.
Fingers crossed for more features hopefully not too far in the future.
Good for you! I love I prefer using Gutenberg blocks as well.
Joined a team that is using Elementor and it is painfully slow. I know there are ways to optimize it but a) I don't want to break other functionality and b) why should I have to tune a builder in staging when all I want to do is make relatively minor changes in production?
For my own projects I take time and care to choose an appropriate theme -- for commerce clients the theme has to present Woocommerce to their satisfaction -- then use GB and the Markdown module from the wp-toolbelt plugin.
I don't use builders anymore since Gutenberg was launched. Now I use Blocksy and Generatepress. The best 2 themes to take advantage of Gutenberg blocks
I couldn't agree more - both are very solid tools. :)
Thanks Paul. The real issue is the speed issues caused by the excesses of page builders. it's very difficult to create sites that work well with all connections ,browsers and viewport around the world using page builders in my humble experience. Since Google core vitals is the standard why don't designers work to develop platforms that address this issue?
That whole thing is IMO BS. Ive built 2 identical sites one with Elementor and one with Gutenberg. Both SEO optimized the exact same. Both ranked identical for 3 months I left them up during my initial test. Sorry to say the added bloat didnt make a difference regarding SEO. Even now with the updated core my test shows the same results.
Shouldn't the fact that you have two sites with identical content affect SEO results for both?
Do you have a tutorial on Gutenberg with its features
I never did the page builder thing. I went straight from coding custom templates with Genesis to Gutenberg + Genesis. The early days of Gutenberg were frustrating but I persevered, and used it pretty much for content editing only. With recent advances in Gutenberg I moved to Blocksy Pro + Stackable Pro + any project specific tools and I can build pretty much anything. The end result is a powerful future proof stack with far superior performance than any traditional page builder. The WP future is looking bright, time to embrace it.
Totally agree.....have a look at Blocksy and Kadence as well.
This is where I'm trying to get to. I'm trying to get away from the dependence on Elementor and having to pay a annual fee. Are the tools you use subscription based?
I have a lifetime licence for the Crocoblock suite; would this replace any of the tools you use?
I'm currently working hard to learn full site editing and may even try to create my own themes. I have an aversion to using themes that limit me. That was why I started with Elementor and the Hello theme. I could design what I liked. That said the 'elements' cause the site to look like most others.
@@alan-muscat both Blocksy and Stackable have free and pro versions. Even the free versions have a lot to offer. I use the pro versions as they add a lot of value to my projects.
I’ve never used Crocoblock, but if all of the plugins/widgets are available for Gutenberg and FSE, I think you’ll have a bunch of the Blocksy/Stackable features covered. Best to do a side-by-side comparison to really see how they stack up.
To be honest though, if you learn FSE and pair it with your preferred Gutenberg tools, you don’t need a page builder.
@@cymessenger4543 cheers Cy
It will all boil down to the objectives or client requirements.. if you need speed and performance, Gutenberg it is.. for design and functionalities, it’s elementor, crocoblock, and few add-ons.. choosing the technology to use depends heavily on the use case..
I have tried Gutenberg several times, even bought LTDs of stackable and co, but it's just not fun to work with... maybe i'll do it in the future but i really enjoy working with Elementor pro with custom width on a Litespeed server.
Got myself a copy of GPP GBP today. Time to dive in.
Acronyms I know nothing about.
i see job adverts where they say use wordpress but not with a page builder.. what are these web companies using to get great results?
I'm using Ele Pro + ACF + Hello + Classic Editor for big and small projects. I would like to like Gutenberg, I really do... But I don't. So I am training a lot in Bricks, which I think can be a good partner for ACF + Gutenberg in the near future.
Paul C, here's a content idea for your next video - create a video on Greenshift. You would just love it.
Custom design + build w/ ACF
C’mon. This is the way. Easy for clients to manage content and keep the integrity of the design and brand intact. Plus it keeps the code base lightweight and website maintenance easy.
No to page builders or block editors.
Which begs the question, besides a nice UI, is it time we start moving away from WordPress?
Exactly what do you mean by custom build in the context of WordPress?
@@alan-muscat I think it means create a custom template "by hand", using Html5, Css and Js. Then you use ACF for the fields in the back end. I've done it and is a lot of work. You have full control of your website, yes...but man is a lot of work. x10 than do the same with Elementor. I think I would only do that if it is an specific client requirement and strictly charging by the hour. Then, yes...I would spend 3 weeks doing the work of 3 days. Obviously my HTML/CSS/JS skills are not that great but still.......
@@ampersandstudios4458 got it! Cheers.
That's what I've been doing so far. I've just been waiting for the Gutenberg project to evolve into something decent. But it is taking way too long. I've been looking around at alternatives like Directus and Ghost, but WordPress is a hard stack to replace easily.
I love the work, keep it up!!
My main site is still on Elementor Pro. I started to look at using one of the block builders but found it to be a huge task to convert back. Now starting my second small site I am using Kadence (free) which is fine. I am confused though as all the add on blocks don't they add weight to code just as Elementor does?
The nature of Page Builder is loading everything even before you`re starting . That because they didnt know for sure which elements/widget you`ll use when designing a page .
There are several tricks to optimize it . But mostly that will happen after your page already finished or saved
TBH those depend on how the developer build the PB plugins at first place. . Toolslike OXYGEN arguably have better architecture to combat those issues than Elementor or DIvi . Thing to note Better architecture doesnt mean better designing experiences but more about better approaches
Have you tried Greenshift?
These big develoments have a shelf life. They develop what ever is the new hotness and move on to the next one. Yet site builders / web designs keep eating it up like its candy. How many page builders have you seen come and go?
I stop counting a while ago and just do custom development; much easier with better results.
Already moved to GP blocks
Elementor Pro and Crocoblock...it does 99% of what any client will ever ask of me, now and in the future... by the time Gutenberg or any other theme/page builder catches up, they will be bloated as well I suspect. And in that time Ele/Croco will have figured out how to reduce their code :)
I’m more interested in the wall panels behind you, where i can find those
They are from Wayfair.
Hey Paul, is it possible to use JetEngine's Profile Builder with Gutenberg?
I really like your videos, you teach very well, could you do a complete crocoblock tutorial with gutenberg?
Right now I'm using blocksy with Elementor and the idea is to gradually change to Gutenberg, I'm still having a hard time handling Gutenberg, that's why I haven't made the full transition, but I have it in my plans
Right now I'm trying to decide between Oxygen, Generate and Blocksy. Any comparison content would be greatly appreciated.
Oxygen is a very different beast to the other 2. Blocksy Pro is great but lacks it's own set of blocks (for now at least). GP/BG looks a lot more basic until you start to get your head around just how powerful it actually is. The 1.5 release of GB will have full loop editing functionality as well as a query builder. That opens up a lot of really powerful options.
Oxygen gives you a lot of low level control on functionality if you know your core code and some JS. I genuinely enjoy it, but it can be a bit slow.
Hey Paul I am also planning to switching Elementor to Gutenberg soon
Any tip for Theme??
Blockcy or else??
I'm loving GeneratePress & GenerateBlcoks Pro and have been using it for a while now with solid results.
There are a couple of videos on the channel about it including one from yesterday covering the new features in the alpha build of the forthcoming v1.7.
I think for the full transition will have to wait like a year, for full support of all you can do with elmentor (in addition elementor is adding cool features like flex, yes is really old in css but new in elementor), but yeah elementor is medium heavy for that 90 or more on google speed test I think (not using CDN)
I felt like moving to webflow completely. I feel like the process is much easier then elementor apart from creating a blog.
We are still waiting for more evolution to happen. WordPress is getting there but more still needs to be done by WordPress and external plugins before it's ready for us to switch. I expect us to dip our toes early next year but for now, we are going to make money knowing what works for us.
Do you think Gutenberg is worth it with Blocksy & would you say you can run an agency on these 2 ?
Hi Paul, great video! Is it possible to create and design archive pages, single posts and single pages with Gutenberg?
With full site editing or the right theme, yes it is.
Hello Paul long time seeing you ! What is best free gutenburg blocks and fastet theme for gutenberg? ( I need pop up canvas menu , any free blocks or free theme for gutenberg can do that?
Gutenburg is the Internet Explorer of web builders. It's built in and nobody wants it. IE only has one purpose: To download Chrome.
That's hilarious! So true :-)
This is blowing my mind. I thought I was the outlier, continuing on with Elementor. All the industry pundits are saying "Gutenberg is the future of Wordpress". They may be right.... some year. But not now.....not until Automattic does some serious testing and comes up with a truly LOGICAL & USABLE interface. It's just too clumsy for me to use at this point. I'll stick with Elementor and wait for the new container features to mature. I'm not going to redo the sites I have already done, no matter what (unless the client pays, of course). I do agree Gutenberg is a better "post builder". But that's about it at this point.
@@billgrey Seems obv from the comments section that we are being gaslighted, by people who cannot only convincingly lie about their product to get people to adopt it, but can't build an excuse of a page builder either.
I'm still laughing at this...
Gutenberg is my favorite page builder but it’s pain to use. I want to create my own themes but it has no tools like elementor theme builder.
I am tired of page builders and their ad-ons plus lots of plugin to get everything you need. Some page builders are so slow. I have realized that Gutenberg is very fast like a cheetah. I hope it get well developed so there is more ease of use.
Btw does anyone knows any flexible Gutenberg theme as an alternative to hello theme for elementor?
Full Site Editing allows you to create your own theme to a degree.
I’ve used Divi for many projects and now as of recent have been wanting to move away from it. For a music site that’ll not only showcase music but be able to purchase merch and music, what would you or anyone here recommend using?
I'm only going to work with Gutenberg if it's on the same level with the other Page builders.
try cwicly
Excellent discussion piece there mate... I think it is time to embrace Gutenterd, but It's a pile of poop natively, so you need the 3rd party tools to make it a viable tool. Page builders will be around for a long time to come. I have a number of projects to build (or rebuild), and I'm torn on which way to go. I'm currently dabbling with Blocksy Pro and Stackable Pro, so I need you to make some more tutorials ASAP! 🤣
Lol, I will be doing some new guides to using Gutenturd with a few other tools, especially dynamic stuff. ;)
Right now my favorite tool is a Makita 18v reciprocating hammer drill. However it doesn't work well for creating websites. I'm considering switching to Guttenburg block based tools but the verdict is still out on how long they hold a charge?
I’m still coding in classic Wordpress
for how i used WP, i prefer Elementor Pro every day and twice on Sunday. bloat? i rarely need more than 5-8 plugins and my page speed results are typically 90%+... not sure where the problem lies in that? obviously need Gutenberg in some instances but not a fan of it's clunky interface.
Gutenberg and Elementor does the same thing - JavaScript HTML/CSS DOM manipulation on the backend. Unlike Block editor (mistakenly called Gutenberg, which is the entire WP concept) Elementor generate bloated excessive HTML, therefor overload browser parser and mess clear HTML semantic. Block editor (Gutenberg) is the right choice.
Gutenberg lack functionality and will take more time to add simple features it’s not comparable
I just do not like having to rely on a yearly fee. Looking at Kadence and Generate Press.
Yeah with flex containers now in Elementor I can't use anything else.
Can you build a site on Gutenberg without a theme?
Gutenberg is not a competitor, it must be seen as a starting point, a solid foundation. It is up to the page builders to build on it. Currently, we have so many solutions that are unable to communicate with each other. If you choose a page builder, you're stuck with it. Whether or not the Gutenberg debate is better than builder pages is a bogus debate.
For me, Gutenberg is quite hopeless, it brings more messy to web development.
Making a website with WordPress and a site builder is not web development, and it doesn't make you a web developer. Same for colouring a colouring book, doesn't make you an artist, and you are not making art.
People page builders, so they don't have to do any heavy work. Gutenberg is still new, and it has a lot of catching up to do. Experienced developers have no problem switching over, it's the people that don't actually know how to develop that are going to struggle with it or stay with their 3rd party page builder.
I think it's better to stick with one good to and master it.
Gutenberg is native, stress free and future. Keep it simple and minimalist. :)
Oxygen. Little to zero bloat, easy of use. I tried GeneratePress/Kadence/Gutenberg but they were too difficult to me to use. Lol.
I’m a freelancer moving away from elementor. Haven’t been happy with it, then they really increased the prices. Not worth what they think of themselves. Excited about being away from the bloat.
Completely rebuilt our entire music store / E-Commerce website recently using Gutenberg and Kadence. Totally move out of using anything Elementor.
Would you mind sharing the link please?
I still use Divi almost exclusively.
Interestingly enough, I paid for a lifetime license for GeneratePress back in 2015 for $39.95 for unlimited sites when i was working on a project for a client not really knowing if I'd ever use it for any other sites. I just thought $40 for a lifetime license for unlimited sites was a good deal. I didn't use it for any other sites, but I went ahead and kept the lifetime license. Who knew that seven years later an investment I made back in 2015 would prove to net me such a boon now that I've determined that I need to stop avoiding Gutenberg like it's the plague. 🙂🙂
These comments are highlighting an issue within the industry.
Build based on what the client needs... it's that simple.... "WHAT THE CLIENT NEEDS"
If you set expectations with the client that you'll be using a different builder to accomplish "this and that for these reasons" you can charge more for the learning curve ;)
If you're desperate to get clients... include the learning curve into a cheaper price.
ALWAYS under sell and over deliver... if you can't deliver with what you know, you don't work with that client.
The more tools you have in your tool belt, the more money you can make.
It's really not that difficult to understand, and if it is.... "google and youtube". ;)
I'm mostly using elementor atm, i want to move away since gutenberg, like it or not, is here to stay. Even if i'm finding it difficult to have a clear "roadmap" on how to do that, what to study, skill etc etc.
There is nothing wrong with the bloated look of Elementor's code. The browser doesn't care: you can easily check this with simple JS code to generate nesting over 100K containers.
But the Gutenberg interface can be called bloated: it's suitable for arranging paragraphs and pictures, but when it was overloaded with page builder functionality, working with it became a huge effort.
Good point. Gutenberg is fast and not-bloated now because it can only do a fraction of what page builders/theme builders like Elementor can do. It's not an apples to apples comparison. Once Gutenberg gets loaded down with comparable features it will have comparable bloat.
@Glen Coe, please could we have the link, would really love to see the design.
I’m using JetEngine for the first time, and I thought Elementor Pro was needed for that. But after looking at the code it produces every new page / functionality I’m trying to build with Gutenberg first. It’s a lot of trial and error for me - being new to these tools. Normally I would build sites from the ground up with html - css - JavaScript etc. I really don’t like to enter these attributes every time or doing copy and paste style every time. It’s very tedious.
Oh yeah, well if you're building with html and css, any kind of CMS would feel pretty clumsy. But it depends what kind of sites you build. Both have their place.
Design is a process and it depends on the look and the feeling of those who do it to please those who see and use it (UX).
We are so eager for "technological novelties" as opposed to "innovations" when our focus is on design with its elements and functions.
Looking for facilities and innovations, we are intoxicating and becoming dependent on technologies.
To have a Ferrari doesn't turn you into a driver, sometimes, having some knowledge of HTML and CSS can be very useful too.
These constructors are tools and we should have a friendly relationship with them.
It is good to know them, but we cannot cancel our cognition and our imagination. We are human beings and we have feelings just like our users do. It is important to be aware and know when to detoxify technologies and make our design more organic, humanized, and functional.
It seem thinking ideas behind "Canva Website"
The question is simple... Not if i can, but why should i move away from Page Builders ?
If I understand you correctly you use Gutenberg, then install lots and lots of plugins to get the functionality of a page builder. In effect adding all the bloat again. I tried a week or two ago to use Gutenberg and I could not get it to work the way I needed it. Even after watching several tutorial. Personally I use DIVI. They intelligently only load the css that page needs rather then all css from the builder and I constantly manage to get page speeds of 95%, So why would I use Gutenberg when I get all the features and the speed in a page builder. I must agree that my lack of knowledge is the reason I could not get my desired result in Gutenberg rather then Gutenberg, but it just shows that its still no where near as user friendly as the page builders.
I use WP rocket along with elementor. Gutenberg is way behind when it comes to ease of use. Gutenberg might be good for writing blogs but not for creating beautiful pages.
No themes and no Gutenberg, stick to my builders and starter theme. Until WordPress stops developing its tools at such a slow pace and with a different approach like if " WordPress is just for blogs", builders will continue to be as successful as they are.
I use Oxygen since day 1. Its far far far far far superior than Gutenberg, FSE, and others page builders. Is not a theme is a bespoke advanced website builder that has no limits. My 2 cents.
I am very concerned about the convergence of Wordpress with built in page builder and my concern page builders like Elementor could break in future versions. I think Automattic wants to kill third party pagebuilder. I have been evaluating Gutenberg with Kadence blocks and I really don’t like it. I have been using Wordpress since it’s first version and I have been evaluating Webflow as an alternative solution. It really delivers on design features but lacks the cms capabilities of Wordpress. I agree to be flexible and not lock in to one way of working.
I build sites for SMB's then hand them over to my clients and encourage them to keep up the content flow. Everytime we hand over the content flow stops. Why? Gutenberg, my clients regardless of training cannot get their heads around it. Elementor no problem.
Just me, I really don't like Gutenberg. I find it limiting. Best of luck to others that enjoy it... I just think there is nil to nothing intuitive about he interface.
Id really love it if wordpress would stop trying to force everyone to go their way and away from stuff like elementor. I love elementor and crocoblock and wordpress isnt going to be like that. I can make dynamic website and it heavy but still get an A 99/100 score in page speed after optimization and litespeed caching. Like I wish we could change the admin area to be more customizable but what i saw they were doing with the admin area kinda freaks me out because idk if I or my clients will like it.
I do believe that WP company policy . it`s already decided long time ago . Now the real question is what PB developer like Elementor will do ? Did they will have complete solution for their client/plugin buyer without reliance with WP ? Surprisingly Brizy already have solution for that problem via their Brizy cloud
Still on Oxygen ✌🏻
bricks, oxygen and elementor over Gutencrap any day of the week for me.