I think I've seen this before, but running a stop sign. Both Rocco's stop light and my stop sign were last second pop-ups. * Rocco's stop light appeared around a tight curve with just seconds to process and react. * My stop sign was behind bushes that grew up in front of it so the sign was not visible until 50 feet ahead when it started to peek around. Although neither FSD nor human drivers should take instant action on what they see, else they will react wrongly to illusions or coincidences that become apparent as such given a little more movement on the road, one cannot wait toooo long.
I agree with Rocco, speed limits and speed control stand out as the most frequent, and annoying, needs for interventions and disengagements in FSD 12.5
@@xraydelta1 Mostly interventions with 12.5, but you have to intervene so frequently it get annoying. Previous versions were better at maintaining the set speed. However previous versions did not slow down for reduced speed limits. The car would just coast, sometimes going all the way through a small town at 10-20 mph over the limit before finally slowing down. This required disengagements, using the brake to prevent unsafe speed and tickets. Thankfully 12.5 will slow down quickly to a new speed limit.
Still not ready. Good tests by Rocco. 10:48 both red lights are visible for the driver, yet there is not one on the screen. At 10:49 the left light is on the screen but not red. At 10:50 already disengaged at the crosswalk , two red lights finally are on the screen. Too late. I have to repeat, all that end-to-end marketing crap is useless without high precision , low latency recognition and rule based control. Other Examples that still don’t work: correct sign detection, not to speak of signs with written exceptions like speed limit X but only between 8.00-17:00 o’clock or speed limit Y but only for trucks. Before this isn’t solved unfenced robottaxis remain an illusion.
Strange, since traffic light aware FSD came out, my 2019 M3 has never run a red light. Maybe the newest software is relearning how to detect them? I'm on 12.5.1.5.
Good video I'm not really sure why they're holding up on releasing this. I'm back on 12.3.6 this release clearly is a safer release. 12.5.2.1 I truly do not understand why this release doesn't go wide. Good video! Thx
I agree.. speed control is biggest issue but i mean detecting the correct speed and ignoring unreasonable speeds .. like 20 mph on highway on ramp or 5 mph in hosiptal or school lot. Overall i think the auto speed is mostly ok. It sometimes goes 2 mph below speed limit when no other cars around when it should the speed limit.. otherwise mostly ok. NC roads are crazy but the fact that FSD handles them so well is amazing.
I think they are determined to get all the features ,including the stacks merged and smart summon ,I think they are doing so many updates and quick tests as they want so many things done in this v12 version. Once it has all features it will go wide, maybe on cybrtaxi day!
@10:56 red light; 99.99% of the stop lights I have seen have light above the lane(s). I initially did not see the red light in video and I would likely have run it too! Stop Light on corner side walk. 😟
In regards to car slowing down (a little only) at the intersection on green at 3:18 - isn't it prudent to do, especially in rainy weather? How should it know that there was a maniac running their orange from across your path? The green light is one thing, but it should judge the other traffic as well!
Are you sure your car wouldn't stop behind the one in front when the fire truck was behind you? I would let it a bit further. Because of course it cannot stop everytime it hears the siren, right? At the moment you disengaged 2:40 , there wasn't any fire truck nor its lights visible in the rear camera. How should it distinguish for sure? It is visible at 2:42.
I’ve noticed in my car and the HW3 videos that the wipers work fairly well. I wonder if it’s just the AI4 cameras that have problems with the auto wipers.
Straight on red is allowed in some states. Like a criminal state of mind :) That parking lot should really be easy enough to navigate. They do seem to have parking lot data in some cases. Are you sure about nose in parking laws? GPT can't find anything for hendersonville city hall. Is it a sign?
I think it’s so cool how you go walking the trail so much with your dog.
It's a good way to wear him out.
I think I've seen this before, but running a stop sign. Both Rocco's stop light and my stop sign were last second pop-ups.
* Rocco's stop light appeared around a tight curve with just seconds to process and react.
* My stop sign was behind bushes that grew up in front of it so the sign was not visible until 50 feet ahead when it started to peek around.
Although neither FSD nor human drivers should take instant action on what they see, else they will react wrongly to illusions or coincidences that become apparent as such given a little more movement on the road, one cannot wait toooo long.
Thanks Rocco
I agree with Rocco, speed limits and speed control stand out as the most frequent, and annoying, needs for interventions and disengagements in FSD 12.5
But why would there be any need to disengage over a speed issue? You can always override the current speed setting.
@@xraydelta1 Mostly interventions with 12.5, but you have to intervene so frequently it get annoying. Previous versions were better at maintaining the set speed. However previous versions did not slow down for reduced speed limits. The car would just coast, sometimes going all the way through a small town at 10-20 mph over the limit before finally slowing down. This required disengagements, using the brake to prevent unsafe speed and tickets. Thankfully 12.5 will slow down quickly to a new speed limit.
Still not ready. Good tests by Rocco.
10:48 both red lights are visible for the driver, yet there is not one on the screen.
At 10:49 the left light is on the screen but not red.
At 10:50 already disengaged at the crosswalk , two red lights finally are on the screen. Too late.
I have to repeat, all that end-to-end marketing crap is useless without high precision , low latency recognition and rule based control.
Other Examples that still don’t work: correct sign detection, not to speak of signs with written exceptions like speed limit X but only between 8.00-17:00 o’clock or speed limit Y but only for trucks.
Before this isn’t solved unfenced robottaxis remain an illusion.
FSD ran a red light on one of Robo Ride’s recent videos. Wonder why it’s not detecting some traffic lights.
Strange, since traffic light aware FSD came out, my 2019 M3 has never run a red light. Maybe the newest software is relearning how to detect them? I'm on 12.5.1.5.
I’m just waiting for Elon to prove me wrong. I don’t see a path for hw3 to get better than humans
Still waiting, I’m on 12.3.6…Sept. 15th 🤷♂️
AI 4 and you have software updates set to Advanced?
Good video I'm not really sure why they're holding up on releasing this. I'm back on 12.3.6 this release clearly is a safer release. 12.5.2.1
I truly do not understand why this release doesn't go wide. Good video! Thx
Doesn't stop for school bus either.
I agree.. speed control is biggest issue but i mean detecting the correct speed and ignoring unreasonable speeds .. like 20 mph on highway on ramp or 5 mph in hosiptal or school lot. Overall i think the auto speed is mostly ok. It sometimes goes 2 mph below speed limit when no other cars around when it should the speed limit.. otherwise mostly ok. NC roads are crazy but the fact that FSD handles them so well is amazing.
Nice video. I am shooting video for my channel as well. Hardware AI4 and yes Navigating is a problem as seen on my upload yesterday.
I think they are determined to get all the features ,including the stacks merged and smart summon ,I think they are doing so many updates and quick tests as they want so many things done in this v12 version. Once it has all features it will go wide, maybe on cybrtaxi day!
I guess it would be interesting to know out of every 100,000 miles driven by a human,how many red lights do they accidentally go through?
@10:56 red light; 99.99% of the stop lights I have seen have light above the lane(s). I initially did not see the red light in video and I would likely have run it too!
Stop Light on corner side walk. 😟
Jeez I wish they would atleast get rid of the nag for 12.3.6 I’ve had this FSD version since like may
In regards to car slowing down (a little only) at the intersection on green at 3:18 - isn't it prudent to do, especially in rainy weather? How should it know that there was a maniac running their orange from across your path? The green light is one thing, but it should judge the other traffic as well!
Are you sure your car wouldn't stop behind the one in front when the fire truck was behind you? I would let it a bit further. Because of course it cannot stop everytime it hears the siren, right?
At the moment you disengaged 2:40 , there wasn't any fire truck nor its lights visible in the rear camera. How should it distinguish for sure? It is visible at 2:42.
not a great drive given the running a red an ignoring the firetruck.
The auto speed has been an issue since it came out I don’t think they know how to fix it
They know how to fix it, just not a priority, but I wish they would make it one.
Are your wipers on auto here? Seems to be not over whipping like mine.
On Auto yes and it seems to be working exactly how I'd want in these tests.
I’ve noticed in my car and the HW3 videos that the wipers work fairly well. I wonder if it’s just the AI4 cameras that have problems with the auto wipers.
Straight on red is allowed in some states. Like a criminal state of mind :) That parking lot should really be easy enough to navigate. They do seem to have parking lot data in some cases.
Are you sure about nose in parking laws? GPT can't find anything for hendersonville city hall. Is it a sign?
yeah, it's a sign that says you have to pull in. You'll get a ticket if you don't.